Is it effective only to do push-ups & sit-ups?

[goldmember]

well the reason your holds and grips are stonger is from the carries. If what im thinking of is correct that is. aka you put 2 dumdbells in your hand and you walk a long distance or something of that nature and you try to hold them for as long as possible. anyway, the lunge power might mean you are more explosive, not necessarilly stronger. pull ups are very good and the reason they do build alot of strenght in people is because either A they can't do that many or B they use weighted pull ups. Im just curious, if you dont work out with weights...how do you workout your legs? just by running and jumps...hope not.

good insights. But wouldn't you say that "being more explosive" would make one "stronger"? After all, the guy who is more explosive and can lift 300 pounds compared to the less explosive guy who can't break the sticking point...you wouldn't say the guy who lifted the weight isn't stronger--he's just more explosive!

 

[ggogeta]

good insights. But wouldn't you say that "being more explosive" would make one "stronger"? After all, the guy who is more explosive and can lift 300 pounds compared to the less explosive guy who can't break the sticking point...you wouldn't say the guy who lifted the weight isn't stronger--he's just more explosive!

I guess he meant endurance strenght. ? Good thing you can do 20 of those. You must be a pretty strong man.

 

[pullups]

I guess he meant endurance strenght. ? Good thing you can do 20 of those. You must be a pretty strong man.

wow hold the phone guys. being explosive and stronger are very different. i should now, I ve played football for a long time and that is always preached. being explosive includes quickness, strength means just that being able to moving heavy things. If we compared 2 people, both starting at about the same fitness and strenght levels, and then we made one lift weights and the other not and then throw them under the squat rack i guarantee without a doubt in my mind that the person that lifted could do more.

 

[ggogeta]

wow hold the phone guys. being explosive and stronger are very different. i should now, I ve played football for a long time and that is always preached. being explosive includes quickness, strength means just that being able to moving heavy things. If we compared 2 people, both starting at about the same fitness and strenght levels, and then we made one lift weights and the other not and then throw them under the squat rack i guarantee without a doubt in my mind that the person that lifted could do more.

But I doubt that the gym guy would not suffer from multi muscle challenge, such as fighting, or bringing heavy things from point A to point B. Sure you get stronger in a gym, but for those specifis ( say, squats) only, where a training where you are using all the muscles simultaneously really is more beneficial overall.

Gym makes you look good, and the way you want ( say, bigger pecs/ biceps/ anything) And overall training, non muscle specific targeted training makes you look good, but you are growing everything at the same rate. Depends on what are your goals.

I think Wresling definately can't be trained in a gym only, it has to be old school exercices.

And hyperthrophy definately can't be trained easily from exercices done at home

 

[pullups]

But I doubt that the gym guy would not suffer from multi muscle challenge, such as fighting, or bringing heavy things from point A to point B. Sure you get stronger in a gym, but for those specifis ( say, squats) only, where a training where you are using all the muscles simultaneously really is more beneficial overall.

Gym makes you look good, and the way you want ( say, bigger pecs/ biceps/ anything) And overall training, non muscle specific targeted training makes you look good, but you are growing everything at the same rate. Depends on what are your goals.

I think Wresling definately can't be trained in a gym only, it has to be old school exercices.

And hyperthrophy definately can't be trained easily from exercices done at home

case in point...they are 2 very different things.

 

[9cyclops9]

Explosiveness and max strength aren't the same, but to say they're "very different" is not accurate.

Explosiveness is also referred to as "speed-strength." It's a measurement of the rate of force development, or the ability to generate force quickly. Obviously, if you can't generate much force in the first place (low max strength), there's no way that you'll generate it quickly. So max strength is a component of speed-strength/explosiveness.

Olympic lifts and plyometrics are the best ways to build explosiveness (and in that order). Big compound movements such as squats, deads, bench presses, military/push presses, chins, and rows build max strength, and explosiveness to a certain extent in beginner and intermediate lifters.

This makes me think of a recent article series on training for MMA by Chad Waterbury. He still has 2 more installments to publish, but it looks like a very sweet series.

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1016556
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1034530

 

[goldmember]

Good points, everyone. I am training to get better at throwing around people, while some are training to throw around symmetric metal objects.

 

[ggogeta]

Good points, everyone. I am training to get better at throwing around people, while some are training to throw around symmetric metal objects.

Nice

 

[Citizen?]

by Rude_God:

Sit ups, you need to make sure you are actually working out your abs when you do them - if you don't feel the burn, you're doing it wrong. A guy on this forum (forgot the name soz) with wicked abs recommends doing them really slowly and then holding the maximum tension position for a bit before relaxing - and I'd listen to that advice.

Thanks for the tip, I tried it out and it's awesome!


At the army we did some special push-ups:
You go down like always but when you push-up you only go up half and then you start seesawing (hope it's the right word). That means you slightly go up and down again and again and after some five to ten repetitions you finish the push-up.
My muscles burned like hell when I did this.

What would you say, guys? Are these kind of push-ups preferable to the ordinary ones?

I have to add that when I do push-ups I lay my feet on something so that head, shoulders and legs are on about the same level.

 

[ggogeta]

by Rude_God:



Thanks for the tip, I tried it out and it's awesome!


At the army we did some special push-ups:
You go down like always but when you push-up you only go up half and then you start seesawing (hope it's the right word). That means you slightly go up and down again and again and after some five to ten repetitions you finish the push-up.
My muscles burned like hell when I did this.

What would you say, guys? Are these kind of push-ups preferable to the ordinary ones?

I have to add that when I do push-ups I lay my feet on something so that head, shoulders and legs are on about the same level.

If you wanna develop endurance, and overall strenght, push ups are for you. If you wanna develop strenght big time, push ups are for you also depends how you do them, and how many you can do those.

As you said, putting your feet at the same lvl as the head, that makes it more difficult. If you keep putting your feet higher and higher, you will be at a point where you can do a few of those... STRENGHT If' that's too easy, there are still the one hand push ups. Start by the opposite, meaning, head really higher than the feet, like on a table, and then when it's becoming too easy, lower your head ... until you can do 1 hand push ups with fets elevated hehe

5 reps 1 hand push ups would develop strenght big time ( after 5 you should be dead I mean, so gotta find a good push up position for this)

I'm doing the same push ups as you in the military these days. But also the position where you lower a bit, and KEEP it up until the sargent tellss you otherwise. Pretty fun

 

[Rude_God]

Glad that advice helped. I've been doing it myself and my abs are currently the best they've ever been. Unfortunately no six pack yet cos I still need to shed a layer of fat, thats the next stage
Though I can't take credit for the idea myself, it was some other guy here who suggested it, I'll give credit to the guy when I remember which thread I read it on.

 

[Citizen?]

As you said, putting your feet at the same lvl as the head, that makes it more difficult. If you keep putting your feet higher and higher, you will be at a point where you can do a few of those... STRENGHT If' that's too easy, there are still the one hand push ups. Start by the opposite, meaning, head really higher than the feet, like on a table, and then when it's becoming too easy, lower your head ... until you can do 1 hand push ups with fets elevated hehe

Well that's how I wanted to do them, but at the moment the equal-level ones are working fine. Also because I don't do normal push-ups, but the ones Goldmember recommended (with the elbows close to the body).
At the moment I'm only able to do 13 of them, but when I started last Monday it were only 11 so it's going upwards.

With one-hand-push-ups I'm waiting till I'm able to do 10 or 20 handstand-push-ups (with the back against the wall). Sounds curios but I once read it's a good workout and I'll probably give it a try one day.

Well, actually I'm doing the following everyday (okay, six days a week):

Equal-level-push-ups: till I can't do more
Sit-ups (rec. by Rude_God): till the belly hurts too much
Chin-ups: till I can't do more (poor 5 at the moment, but 2 more than last Monday)
1-&-2-legged-knee-bends: till I can't do more (didn't count, but I do them like the sit-ups, staying down in the squat, like skiers when they are going downhill, until the thighs start burning)

As you can see this is a very modest program, so I would be thankful if anyone could tell me some more bodyweight-exercises.

 

[ggogeta]

Well that's how I wanted to do them, but at the moment the equal-level ones are working fine. Also because I don't do normal push-ups, but the ones Goldmember recommended (with the elbows close to the body).
At the moment I'm only able to do 13 of them, but when I started last Monday it were only 11 so it's going upwards.

With one-hand-push-ups I'm waiting till I'm able to do 10 or 20 handstand-push-ups (with the back against the wall). Sounds curios but I once read it's a good workout and I'll probably give it a try one day.

Well, actually I'm doing the following everyday (okay, six days a week):

Equal-level-push-ups: till I can't do more
Sit-ups (rec. by Rude_God): till the belly hurts too much
Chin-ups: till I can't do more (poor 5 at the moment, but 2 more than last Monday)
1-&-2-legged-knee-bends: till I can't do more (didn't count, but I do them like the sit-ups, staying down in the squat, like skiers when they are going downhill, until the thighs start burning)

As you can see this is a very modest program, so I would be thankful if anyone could tell me some more bodyweight-exercises.

as long as you can only do a few of those, that's gonna be strenght that you will be developping.

Good job man.

 

[Rude_God]

How's your progress been with this?