If you ejaculate after the pumping through masturbation, of course it will shrink. When serotonin kicks in after ejaculation, your body places the penis into preservation mode.
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Kegels inside the pump helps to increase internal pressure further. It keeps the penis as hard as possible. So yes, it does help.
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Debatable in my opinon, I personally don't like it and haven't read that it would be better. I know one other Vet that says not to do it, you are already under so much pressure, why risk it?
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"Fatigue" wording is harder for me to understand in this concept of healthy PE and maybe taken out of content for me to understand. In general fatigue for me is more of a burnout feeling and that is not PE. This is where I say you can better say "Good" workout/ Push hard but not Over Push. Night and day difference in that statement. I think you are describing more a "Good" workout or a good and nice and smooth Pushing Hard segment of your routine. I think that Over push, and Fatigue are closely related and not recommended in PE from my standpoint.
Exactly correct. Kegels bring more blood into the penis which causes much more expansion. It will also bring harder erections
No. I mean fatigue. My penis was hurting the next day to the point I could resume PE but rather not for me. Truth is I firmly believe based on my noob experiments that if I took advantage of this fatigue and do again PE next day, that would bring extra points to penis when you were about to heal. The survival mechanism activates taking Into account you are healthy but hey this is my crazy theory and I haven't got an inch so please take my words lightly and as something to discuss rather than blindly believing what I said .
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I don’t get that, in fact my penis always hangs both lower and fuller if I jerk off 1 or 2 hours after pumping.
Maybe it’s because I take my time when jerking off, obtaining maximum expansion in both length and girth during the 15-30 mins I use to get off.
Hyaluronic acid is merely a filler. It does contain collagen, but the collagen is not used by the body. It acts more like a buffer, or rather a filler, for your skin. The body does use a small portion of the free collagen to act as a temporary resource when it's in dire need. So, yes, it does matter when it comes to using what's missing in dire situations. But no, it does not matter if your body has a good dietary plan.
However, there's a flip side to things. Hyaluronic acid can act as a temporary and safe filler to get your penis larger by injecting into the blood chambers (corpus cavernosa and spongiosum) as well as underneath your skin layers (the fascias). It also helps to force an increase on temporary girth for pumping as well by creating that extra gaps you need after the pumping routine. We call hyaluronic acid a "placeholder" for PE. When you pump, you're breaking down your own tissues and cells. If the cells are in dire needs for the collagen in the hyaluronic acid mixture, the cells will use it. If the cells don't need it, the hyaluronic acid acts as like a gap maker when your can't get your erection to a solid 100%. Whatever little gap is made by the hyaluronic acid, your cells start to repair and crowd that space, forcing the hyaluronic acid to migrate away when it's not needed.
There is a downside as well. Hyaluronic acid can also move out of the penis very quickly under vacuum pressures. Anything greater than 4.5inHg of negative pressure on top of the 100% erection, the pressure will push the hyaluronic acid out of the skin and chambers because of the crowding. Some lose around 1% each pumping sessions (based on the reduction size after 24 hours using fluid displacement testing), and some lose up to 5%. It's hard to predict.
So, it has its role in PE, but it should be a dependant as a PE alternative.
I am talking not to add it as enlargement method but as a healing method (collagen or hyaluronic) because based on my data I have found that the reason I am not seeing growth is because of my own ifflamation in the body and the crp proactive protein.
I remember when I took some gains my body did not have ifflamations and I was taking enormous vitamins to have this growth.
The past time I did not have any growth I never took these vitamins and I was on strict diets.
So the question is this. Is this possible if my body isn't heal itself on other parts or it does not matter?
How can I am sure my hypothesis is right ?
I remember when I took some gains my body did not have ifflamations and I was taking enormous vitamins to have this growth.
The past time I did not have any growth I never took these vitamins and I was on strict diets.
So the question is this. Is this possible if my body isn't heal itself on other parts or it does not matter?
How can I am sure my hypothesis is right ?
Why not go back to that line up?
Because I am not an expert like you. You are a true expert. You had so much time doing so many things and you know so so so much better. If you say that this may happen and I ll restart PE starting with my own ifflamation. I am just trying to not put many failures again to my mind because for every failure I get frustrated. I am a human being after all.
Continue doing what your doing and add intensity as you can.
This is why we are encouraging to have detailed info on diets and supplements tracking. Good that you've been doing so. If you are seeing inflammation because of the CPR (C-reactive protein by the way), that means your diets may have cause the reactivity, such as glutens, nightshade family plants, or even certain amino acids which includes collagen.
Looks like you're hitting a mystery to your growth. This is why us PE brothers are discussing about supplements like crazy in multiple posts. We load our blood up with every possible bioavailable materials we can, and when the blood is in the penis, the penile cells will take whatever they need to repair and restore. Diets can't concentrate the amount of bioavailable materials like supplements, unfortunately.
You're hitting the issues head on. Yes, it didn't heal properly because it didn't can't extract enough bioavailable resources from the blood. Your diets are not loading enough materials, like collagen-rich and other amino acids, vitamins, or even things as simple as oxygen load. Have you been taking your vitals lately? What is your oxygen percentage? above 90? Below 90? Ah..the hidden mystery surfaces.
Your hypothesis is not just right, but you're on the right track to solve some unique issues that most don't even consider. Welcome to biomedical and biochemical sides of PE. Now you know what I've been doing for the past 2+ decades behind the scene.
As you feel more comfortable with what your doing add time and intensity. More power, more time. Take your time to get there, there is never a reason to go beyond your training until necessary
I am very confused. A while ago my penis was "bigger" (girthier) and now it is a CM thinner.
is it possible my penis holds 1 whole CM for a while after I do PE? I mean, holding it like 1 week or so?
is it possible I lost this 1 cm because I stopped? It will take that much time to take it back?
is it possible my penis holds 1 whole CM for a while after I do PE? I mean, holding it like 1 week or so?
is it possible I lost this 1 cm because I stopped? It will take that much time to take it back?
When the penis goes into a relaxed state before you permanently cement the gains, the visible temporary gains can swing back and forth quite easily. You didn't lose it. It merely goes back to a relax appearance. It doesn't take much to get the temporary gain size back after a bit do PE routines. What you gained already set in motion. It's about making it permanently with a bit more work.
This 1cm is from the PE routines you went through. You caused it to lengthen and expanded. When you rested, and resumed PE just a bit more, the body recognizes that you need blood and fluid to go into the penis. What you gained through PE so far shows up when the penis got the blood and fluid it needs.
Keep the PE routines going until you permanently get it. It takes 6 months of gain and 3 to 6 months more to permanently cement it.
Keep the PE routines going until you permanently get it. It takes 6 months of gain and 3 to 6 months more to permanently cement it.
Now I am more confused. Did I lose it? I just got measure up now, and I am definitely thinner
No, you didn't. You stopped, so the tissues try to restore itself back to its original length and girth. During the long resting process, the penis is trying to restore the penis elasticity back as much as it can. It appears to have lost, but it's not. It's still there. You'll see it immediately when you do 1 or 2 SSJ session to tell the body to show the penis size it's suppose to be at.
The thing is until 10 days ago I was ok!!!
Okay so I still got time right? Okay I understand.
Yes. Plenty of time. Just don't let the rest period stay too long. Nothing more than a month to be safe. The closer you are to a month and approaches 3 months, you'll see the lost because it wasn't fully cemented.
Correct.
It belongs to you. Resume PE and you will gain it back and also gain more.
Hello Guys,
I have stopped PE quite a time now, but I am curious about one thing.
Recently, I read a post where a guy, was using phallosan forte (12+ hours a day) and bathmate (15 mins a day) and he got 1.5 inch in length and 0.5 inches in girth. The thing is, that the guy was very detailed in his journey. He posted daily his routine with results and after 6 months he got these results. He stated that after that, he reached a plateu but ... how true can this be? I need to ask this. I mean, we know that phallosan can indeed add some length to penis but...in combination with bathmate he added girth?
Can someone reply me this question scientifically?
I have stopped PE quite a time now, but I am curious about one thing.
Recently, I read a post where a guy, was using phallosan forte (12+ hours a day) and bathmate (15 mins a day) and he got 1.5 inch in length and 0.5 inches in girth. The thing is, that the guy was very detailed in his journey. He posted daily his routine with results and after 6 months he got these results. He stated that after that, he reached a plateu but ... how true can this be? I need to ask this. I mean, we know that phallosan can indeed add some length to penis but...in combination with bathmate he added girth?
Can someone reply me this question scientifically?
Good to hear from you brother.
This is a common traction device wearing time, with recommended pumping. Needs by both devices.
It's actually an average value. He's actually using a dual-method approach to gain the length, while only allowing his girth to grow around 15%. The remaining 85% is focused on length. The reason why he reached plateau is because the Forte+ cannot add any more traction force past 2.8kg for the initial wearing of 2 hours before switching back down to 2.1kg for the remaining 10 hours. Once your penile tissues reached an adaptive period where the tissues get stronger and thicker, you have to push your traction force past 5kg and upwards toward 10kg to break the tissues. The Forte+ and manual hand stetches cannot do that. This is where the LM3 comes into play.
If you look back on all the posts where we use both LM3 and the pump, we try to cause the penile tissues to stretch long through length stretches, and then stretch out using the pump. Length is gained through long stretches, and girth is gained through stretching out. But the funny thing is, when you combine them together, you get more length gains over girth if you add all day extender/traction device. Why? When you gain a bit of girth as the tissues expand, and then you wear the extender device, you convert 85% of the expanded tissues from pumping meant for girth and convert it to length development.
Yes but, will you gain those 0.5' inches in girth? I mean, is it possible? If it is ...it is really convenient.. You get my point?
Also I have read about a methond of using pshot + Dr. Joel Kaplan’s Vacuum Device + The RestoreX Traction Device + Nitric Oxide Boosting Supplements. They also claim 1 inch in length and 0.5' in girth in 6 months. Is it true?
If it is true, whats the difference combining just lengthmaster 3 + Mityvac?
Just like before, to gain girth properly, you must follow the PE methods of having a full erection during pumping. For those having ED, you will not or barely gain girth. The Bathmate is designed to help in getting back your erection from ED issues. The side benefit is to gain girth if and only if you can get full erection during pumping. This is why the 5x5x3 routine comes out to maximize the girth gain while pumping. BUT, it all relies on how hard of an erection you can achieve during pumping. To gain girth, you have to expand internally. The pump cannot help internal expansion without a full erection. The pump helps to draw blood in. Your full erection helps to expand the blood further.
This is a claim. This is not clinically recorded by more than 1000 users. The results are from sporadic users that were willing to go past 2 years of trials. Imagine 1000 users of this combination started out, but only 10 to 20 users were completing this after 2 full years. They use it to average the results out. You get some weird averages from just 10 to 20 users. These are known as hyped outliers.
Length Master + MityVac are the same. Length Master helps with length. MityVac helps with girth. Length Master is a leverage traction device to break tissues faster within 30 to 60 minutes compared to a traction device that requires at least 3 hours to break a small amount of tissues. The Length Master can adjust the traction tension from 1kg to as high as 50kg based on your arm and hand strength. it can perform twisting/contortion, and various angles ranging from front to back side (between the cheeks) stretches. This is the optimal stretches to losen the muscles and ligaments for additional gains.
The MityVac, like the Bathmate, helps with ED. Bathmate does not have a gauge, so it's quite dangerous right out of the box. You need to know your pressure you're using at all time. The "feel of pressure is where you can damange your penis immediately since your brain shuts off the painful traumas to protect itself from passing out/fainting. BUT, to gain girth, the main requirement is for you to have at least 80% erection capacity. That means you need to achieve at least 80% to allow blood to enter your penis. At 80% erection, the pump can help to pull the remaining 20% of the needed blood, and further pushes the extra 10% to 30% blood volume needed to expand internally. The Bathmate does the same. The advantage for the pump with a gauge is to monitor the needed pressure for the blood to enter the penis safely, and expand SAFELY. Everything is about safety. If you cannot keep your erection up from 80% and greater, your expansion for the girth will be limited to none at all. All it does is to help with ED by introducting new fresh blood to repair damaged blood vessels or nerves.
So, if you have ED, you can gain length, but the chance of gaining girth is 50/50, or even lower based on the severity of your ED.
Yes but the plong program has pshots for some reason (that i do not understand)
We need to understand something before we select p-shot into the program.
P-shot is merely using your own plasma extracted from your blood to fill up your chambers. In the cavernosa and spongiosum, it's not just empty space. There are micro blood vessels that fill into those chambers, like tiny balloons full of blood within larger balloons, Those larger balloons have empty spaces as well, and those empty spaces are being used by the body as buffering air and fluid to prevent sudden pressure drops and rises. They empty space also acts as cushion spaces to prevent sudden impact traumas. Imagine if you get hit by some object while your penis is rock hard. The empty space acts like your air bags for the micro blood vessels.
The P-shot simply fills up everything. I mean everything. It fills up the micro blood vessels, the empty spaces, and even part of the fascias (the skin layers) When you start pumping, the blood that enters your micro blood vessels start to exand immediately. Rather than force your erection to 100% all the time, those with ED issues only need to get the penis up to around 40% of the time. But as soon as the blood drains out, some of the plasma will drain out with the blood. This is why P-shots are always needed every few weeks to a few months. Instead of 40% erection, after a couple of weeks, you need to get your erection up to 80% to make up for the lost of the plasma volume.
For those who are healthy and don't have ED issues, by using the P-shot, when they have a full erection, the are pushing their blood volume past 100% without pumping. When they pump, instead of 110% expansion, their expansion may shot past 170% expansion. This is painful. This is also dangerous as their penises may not be able to handle extreme expansion. Some reported that their blood vessels bursted inside the penis chambers and requires months to years to heal.
Hope this explains things about the P-shots and the pumping.
This is all hype. Why? ED requires more than just penile lengthening and girth expansion through intense force. The device pressure was reported by users going up past 60inHg for 5 to 10 seconds. That is pure madness for those who just started out in PE. That is one way to destroy your penis real fast. When the penis is over stretched, it causes the nerves to overstretched and causing blood vessels to suffer heavy traumas from 7cm of pulling without first pre-conditioning the penis. Pure insanity. How can it helps with ED? It may help with Peyronie's by breaking the plagues, but not ED.
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Ignore any promises and comparing to anyone, the most important thing is to find what works for you. Ads might be great for you! but you won't know if you don't try. Try all things.
You need to love and appreciate where you are. With proper training your penis will become bigger. But without that love of self gains will suffer. Comparing yourself to others is worthless you need to accept where you are and doing whatever you need to do to grow.
How's your penile condition after the stopping with PE? Did you stop completely or maintained?
If you stopped completely, did you see any loss/regression without cementing?
If you stopped completely, did you see any loss/regression without cementing?
Also wondering
I do not know how to explain. I can't find logical explanation. It does not make any sense. While I was doing PE I never saw any gains and trust me I tried truly hard. After each PE session my penis was ridiculously sore. This is why I stopped.Also wondering
Suddenly after 2 months stopping I see I have 0.6' in length and 0.5' in girth so what the fuck? I kept measuring and measuring and measuring to make sure.
No viagra, no vitamins, same anti depression drugs. No good life style and i have amazing erections, my erection lasts more (before after just 5 secs of erection without stimulation was gone away).
I wake up with erections (wtf I haven't seen that like 6 years ? More ?) So does someone cares to tell me what the fuck is going on here ?
Once again, you keep working on the tissue management, the tissues build. What you don't see doesn't mean it's not there. The simple answer to you is, what is already permanent will show the moment you cement the gains, and allow the body to relax. Once the body relaxes, your gains will show. You are the evidence. So do any other brothers before you and more to come. Desperation simply hides what you cannot see at the moment, and once you reset your mind, you see everything that you worked hard for and more.
Does it work? Not sure about that model of a chair. But ultrasound technology similar does work. Some uses a massaging device. Some uses a pad. Some have seat type. But all works the same. The best ones incorporate both warm IR and near IR with ultrasound.
Gains can manifest long after an extended break. But I would encourage you to be diligent and start a new routine, something lighter than what you were doing. You may have gone to far on intensity. What was your previous routine before you stopped? We may be able to create something that does not cause the pain.
He said soreness, which is a good thing. Pain is not your friend in PE. It never has. It is an indicator that you gone way too far.
Yes pain and soreness are very different. Sorry for using wrong word.
I just did the original 5x5x3 with MOSRED (10 mins before 10 mins after) 3 to 4 times a week, with extended periods of resting (sometimes 1 week) and for 4 to 5 months.
Having +0.4' inches in girth is something i do not understand. Really guys.
I know you must be healthy to have gains but trust me, I was the guy as you all can remember that was crying like a babe all the time, with medicines for bipolar disorder (that dont give you good erection quality) and with bad erection quality overall.
I really do not understand what is happening. Really.
I will start doing in January another routine, like the p-long study and I will let you all know.
Having +0.4' inches in girth is something i do not understand. Really guys.
I know you must be healthy to have gains but trust me, I was the guy as you all can remember that was crying like a babe all the time, with medicines for bipolar disorder (that dont give you good erection quality) and with bad erection quality overall.
I really do not understand what is happening. Really.
I will start doing in January another routine, like the p-long study and I will let you all know.
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