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Very easy answer. Your penis is response to internal expansion over external expansion. External expansion is the vacuum pressure acting on your external and and internal tissues to draw the blood in. Since you can't get 100% erection for the blood to be drawn into the penis, the internal chambers cannot expand with greater efficiency. When doing SSJ, you're holding onto every bit of blood coming into the penis, and you keep forcing more blood into the penis during your SSJ to create a balloon from the inside. This allows the internal chamber to expand even more. When you use the pump, you're helping the expanded internal chambers to further expand along the way, or we called it gap cranking or gap making. You have to help it along by adding more blood as you can. You can only go so far with SSJ for internal expansion. You have to use the pump to push the limit for expansion that SSJ can't.
By spending the time to expand internally first with SSJ, your pumping session will help you further along. What pumping can't do, SSJ helps it further along. That is why 5x5x3 routine methods is superior to just pumping alone. 5x5x3 is far superior to just SSJ alone. 5x5x3 is an evolution of what had been practiced over two decades ago and it formed into a unique approach to efficiently optimize the expansion. Even the $20k machine is doing exactly what 5x5x3 is doing through very expensive equipment.
I would like to ask new questions today.
What if... What if I add to the 10x5x3 1 hour of fully occluded clamping that It blocks the pelvic floor from pressure feedback, allowing expansion without the negative side effects.
I know you are all against clamping, and you are right, but I am not talking about maximum cable clamping. I am talking about fully occluded clamping, which is different.
10x5x3 + 1 hour fully occluded clamping.
How does that sound @oldandlively @DLD @squirt_inducer_man
What if... What if I add to the 10x5x3 1 hour of fully occluded clamping that It blocks the pelvic floor from pressure feedback, allowing expansion without the negative side effects.
I know you are all against clamping, and you are right, but I am not talking about maximum cable clamping. I am talking about fully occluded clamping, which is different.
10x5x3 + 1 hour fully occluded clamping.
How does that sound @oldandlively @DLD @squirt_inducer_man
Give it a venture and see. This is your routine to tackle and observe since your body is responding different.
Rather than thinking, give it one try. Do not go too crazy on the pressure loads. Try at lower pressures, between 7inHg and 8inHg. I know your limit is 10inHg. But you are using a total of 10 minutes of SSJ and 5 minutes of pumping. If you see that it's working at that low level, stay there until you don't see any more. Then go up to 8inHg to 9inHg, and so on. Don't go crazy straight to 10inHg and 11inHg. Try one step at a time.
Sounds good but if it is too much switch to a less intrusive workout
Really believe what?
Definitely a massive good routine.
Well it may need less time and a shorter routine. Maybe cut routine in half and build up from there. Take you time! Praying for you
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What do you mean by cum cocktail?
Do you know any product @squirt_inducer_man @DLD for discoloration of the penis?
The "clamping" somehow changed the colour of the penis completely.
The "clamping" somehow changed the colour of the penis completely.
As many of the brothers here don't endorse device type clamping, like cable clamps (photo attached for reference).
If you plan on using the passive method Fully Occupied Clamping (FOC), or something close to it, with a device, think carefully of what the process is. The cable clamp photo there is just that. It's a fully ocucpied clamping device.
You indicated you're NOT using the FOC method. At this point, we're not sure what you mean by that method. Is it wrapping? Tourniquet? All day tightening at the base of the penis like a tight penis ring?
As you pointed out, any clamping technique, or even the aggressive jelq technique, will change the color to the penis. Our brother brought back the attention to one of the old post which explained quite well:
The MOSRED is you best way forward
I am talking about this
You enter the penis in this device flaccid.
You are getting erect (either your self, either with pump)
Then you push that bulb there, and it adds air and the air goes to those "whites" silicons, and it tightens the penis, "like struggling" but it is only as powerful as if you could clamp with your hand. (It can be more powerful, but not reason to do it)
This is what I am talking about.
You are relaxed, it blocks the pelvic floor from pressure feedback but to do this, I would need your opinion @oldandlively and of course @DLD 's opinion because he is the Darwin of PE, and it is very important for me to ask for his opinion.
I am asking this because I do not want to destroy my penis. I want to strengthen it.
The thing is, that I want to combine it with the 5x5x3 routine.
I am doing this:
10 mins MOSRED.
5x5x3.
After 5x5x3 I am doing 100 kegels with weights (10x10 sets holding 3 secs each time).
Then cockring and 15 mins MOSRED at very close distance.
For the clamp to work, the developer says 1 hour each other day and not more.
So...how can I use it effectively, or shall I not use it at all?
Thanks
Hey, I know that one. I used to have one of those. The newer one that you can use while you are on the go is much smaller. Doesn't work as well.
You can use this or your can use a pump silicone donut like this:
But either one will give you the blood restriction you need. What you shown us can go from restriction to constriction, where blood is completely tighten up under pressure.
The reason why I, and this is just my opinion, is because of multiple reasons why that restrictive-constrictive device is dangerous in combination with the pump:
- Accidental constrictive blood pressure while combining with pump. It's fine to have restrictive where the blood slows down to enter and leave the penis, but constrictive traps blood and cannot release it during an emergency overpressurization. Under low pressure around 3 to 5inHg, using this device is fine. But as you go past 5inHg, the trapped pressure acts erratically. Every 1inHg that you go up, the pressure can drop down 1inHg as the tissues expands, but it can also shoots past 2inHg as the tissues aggressively push back to prevent fissures and ruptures. Think about your facial skin for example when you try to force air from your lung to a closed mouth. Your facial tissues will expand to accomodate the air volume. However, try to push harder, your body reacts instinctively to prevent tissues from tear apart and the surrounding muscles and hormones trigger the cells to act by constricting. Just like your penis, it causes a sudden pressure rises. If you think you're at 10inHg, your pressure shoots straight past 12inHg. Blisters and edemas can occur every quickly. Nerves and blood vessel damages as well.
- Static compression of nerves and blood vessels. Within 5 minutes of compression of the nerves and blood vessels, you'll feel your penis goes cold and numb. We don't believe we use the device hard enough to cause it, but our body adapts to compensate to the point of possible causing damages. The white materials is soft and made from flexible PVC-rubber, which is much better than hard TPU plastics. But compression of the penis nerves and blood vessels over long period of time "crushes" them, cause the nerve branches to merge/grow with the tissues, breaching the nerve line due to kinking, and the veins to weaken. Look up "spider veins" for ladies that like to cross their legs for too long. Using this device is like crossing the legs. High compressive pressure over a long period causes failure for the micro valves that regulate the blood flow, on top of causing the blood vessel wall to reduce in size because they got flatten like a garden hose. This is worst for your ED. SSJ routine moves your fingers constantly and it doesn't compress in one particular area for too long. You can't maintain the grip strength that long to cause any damage, unlike the device.
- Emergency releases of static blood. This is a big one. If something happens, there's no way to release both the static blood volume inside the penis from both the pump and the device at the same time. Let's say your blood vessels reach their limit. You only have 2 seconds to release the blood pressure. The MityVac allows you to use the relief trigger to release within that time frame. If you have the second device on, that time exceeded 2 seconds. You have to release the pump pressure, follows by the twist and push relief valve on the second device. By this time, your blood vessels already bursted. You just allow a bomb to explode inside the penis.
I'm not discouraging you to use the device and try it for yourself. I'm just showing you what you must expect when using the pump and the restrictive-constrictive device as well. Just be careful. I can truly say that the device can help you with the SSJ portion. It helped me with arm strength from hurting.
When you use the restrictor-constrictor device at the base of the penis, once you get the blood into the penis, the device can provide constantly pressure around the base. The only downside to it is that you can't release and tighten the device fast enough if you want more blood in quickly.
But once you have enough blood volume in the penis, the ring acts as a full constriction device to hold the blood in place. You can use the ring itself to move up and down the penis shaft (with a bit of lubrication) to cause build up of pressure as you move the ring from the base to the glans, SLOWLY. As you move the ring up to the glans, you're focusing the pressure to a maximum degree that the hand grip cannot offer. Pneumatic pressure is much greater and more constantly than the hand's OK grip pressure, unless you're a 150kg body builder.
The constant pressure to cause higher pressure buildup in the penile shaft is your advantage for better expansion before pumping WITHOUT the device on.
If you're using it for the SSJ, using moderate pressure without causing discomfort AND not more than 5 minutes at a time, while you're doing your SSJ, you can see an improvement for your expansion. I can't say it will provide you better erectile quality because you are stressing the crap out of the penis for the expansion. Expansion will be good, EQ will be slightly less.
As we have said many time, "Nothing ventured, nothing gain." I lost count of how much I spent on purchasing equipment just to test out. Our brother @92tmorgan got me very curious on the automatic pump setup that I want to experiment with just for the fun of it. However, I got plenty of projects coming up that will burn my budgets to the ground, so, I'll probably hold off until Christmas. I'll use my gift money for my penis instead of making my life a bit fatter.
I was thinking on just doing 5x5x3 and then use this device slightly and not at max to do clamping for 30 mins. 5 mins clamping 5 mins rest and so on until 30 minutes.
The clamping won't be super strong, I Will leave a little place for blood to move but the errection will be forced by a pump at 7hg.
I know that after clamping for a while the erection will not be good but my question is will this I am saying bring more and better results ? Also my erection will become better or worse ?
Did @DLD Did this kind of clamping in the past?
The clamping won't be super strong, I Will leave a little place for blood to move but the errection will be forced by a pump at 7hg.
I know that after clamping for a while the erection will not be good but my question is will this I am saying bring more and better results ? Also my erection will become better or worse ?
Did @DLD Did this kind of clamping in the past?
That may work in your favor. But I would say lessen the clamp to intervals of 3 minutes each. Spread it out more, but work hard to increase the pressure within that 3 minutes. It is to flex your soft tissues, while building strength to it to promote erection quality.
I would say max out your blood volume as much as possible, lower the pressure down, and do short pumping intervals to test. Don't go crazy when you see improvement and expansion.
Constrictive method should be done while erected to max the potential of expansion out. But do ot in short period and watch your routine like a hawk.
Short bursts interval will improve erection. Too long of an interval for each set will cause the tissues to fatigue too fast. Shorter intervals allow the tissue to maintain and strengthen the rigidity.
Agree
Ok so based on your scientific words (I am saying scientific because it is really hard for me to understand 100% what you say) I understood that I must::
- Do 3 min clamping at maximum clamping power with maximum pump (for super erected penis and 3 mins rest)
Am I right? Please confirm
Yes.
Shall I do this daily or each other day (because I am doing 5x5x3 too)
Experiment and see. Do it one day on, one day off. If it works well, do it as many days as your routines you're have and feel comfortable in doing. Even if your penis feel fine, make sure break after 5 consecutive days as your penis should reach extreme fatigues. Try not to go too crazy.
I know I am getting you all tired with my questions but do you mind explaining me why is it bad to reach extreme fatigues? I could swear I never felt Penis-Fatigue in my life, only I am bored (or not have libido) and cant follow the program. Even when I was okay and did 4 days in a row, I never felt any fatigueness. There was a time I was feeling okay and my penis was "sore" but it was health - I didnt feel the fatigue. Maybe I am not putting much effort?
bemorethanbig
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I challenge using a device and just doing ULI's. With a strong arm grip you can do 3-4 minutes of a ULI. You can instantly lower pressure and you are master of it all, no device needed.
I have another thread where I note that devices just don't work for me at all. I honestly believe that ULI at 2-4 minutes is the best option. If you are thinking about 3 X 5 min clamps, consider 4 x 4 min Ulis.
One important note is that if you add a ULI to a 5 x 5 x 3 you may have to reduce something else in the routine, there is a difference between over doing it and pushing hard. I did 3 ULI's after a jelqing session and it was too much since I had already hung for 1 hour earlier that day. Basically when you add you should decrease something else.
I have another thread where I note that devices just don't work for me at all. I honestly believe that ULI at 2-4 minutes is the best option. If you are thinking about 3 X 5 min clamps, consider 4 x 4 min Ulis.
One important note is that if you add a ULI to a 5 x 5 x 3 you may have to reduce something else in the routine, there is a difference between over doing it and pushing hard. I did 3 ULI's after a jelqing session and it was too much since I had already hung for 1 hour earlier that day. Basically when you add you should decrease something else.
bemorethanbig
Well-known member
By too much, I had a small inflamation on my glands for the first time ever, it was like a mosquito bite and got super sensitive. I knew I had pushed too hard.
Techincally it is called ULI #3. It really just doing a hand clamp. Nothing special. Just use your hand.
Techincally it is called ULI #3. It really just doing a hand clamp. Nothing special. Just use your hand.
bemorethanbig
Well-known member
I think that is just old school way of doing things without the mention of how far we have gone in the last 10 years with other methods. In other words, with what we know, this is very worrisome that this information is still out there. I would already not use that device with such a note from the developer, if they would have said max 15 min a day I would have respected them more.
You are not tiring me out with the questions. I just don't know how else to explain beside breaking things down to more simpler terms. I just want the brothers to understand as much as they can. I don't judge, nor get tired of answering.
Fatigues is bad because of the buildup of stressor hormones. The stressor hormones can slow the growth down. In the muscles, we called this lactic acid. We tend to feel it as muscle cramps and muscle pains. In the penis, breaking down the muscles doesn't generate the lactic acid, and the penile shaft doesn't feel the pain. You may feel it along the muscles and ligaments around the base of the penis. The only thing you feel is the pain being sent to your brain by the nerves, telling you something is wrong. When that some is wrong signal goes to your brain, there is already some sort of big damage occuring. This is the so called extreme fatigue we warn the brothers about.
Some have great pain tolerance like you, and you don't feel it. If you want to push harder, go for it. You only need to achieve that dull achy feeling, and stay far away from that painful feelings. If you don't feel the dull achy feeling after each routine, you are definitely not pushing hard on the routines. I've just finished my LM routines this morning, and after 30 minutes, my penile shaft from the top of the glans to the base feel like I just did a 2 hour gym session, comparing hard fibrous muscles to the soft muscles of the penis.
So, reexamine the amount of force for your LM routine and the pumping pressure. 5x5x3 type of routine right after the short 5 or 10 minutes of the LM routines should push the penis to fatigue with ease.
It is a copy cat of the SSJ
@oldandlively with lengthmaster I can feel the work I have done. I feel it at the base of the penis that touches the body. The problem is that I do not feel the soreness with 5x5x3. The only "fatigueness" I feel is progressively when reaching the 3rd 5-mins-pump where the 10hg seem more difficult for me and It is more difficult for me to get erection (not easy comparing how easy it is when I start the 5x5x3 routine). Other than that I might sometimes feel a little pain in the shaft because of the ssj but.... that's it. Nothing else and I do not know if this kind of soreness is enough. But everything passes when I sleep 8 hours. Can you tell me what you think ?
I think I have a theory on this. What you have is a very low dull sense of pain that you indicated in the past posts. From what I can see of all your posts, your pain threshold negates any kind of fatigue sensation that you may feel. This is where they're dangers also lay. It's also the benefit to your new kind of gains. The method is the same, but the amount of traction force and pumping pressure will place you into a moderate to possible very high danger zone. You can attempt if you like.
This forces you to use the Length Master for 10 minutes, then the pump for the next 20 minutes, in combination roughly around an hour worth of routine because you have to make adjustments.
For the length master, you need to use contortion or twisting of your penis as much as you can. The minimum amount of rotation should be 360°. Make sure you do the same thing for the other direction. If you cannot achieve 360 rotation, do as far as you can, but make sure to have the same amount of rotational degree as the other side. When you pull the length Master behind your cheeks, make sure to pull as hard as you can. This means, you have to exceed that 7 lb of traction force. I'm suspecting that you are already at 15 lb of traction force. No matter what the traction force may be, go as high and as hard as you can. This means you have to rotate one side for 5 minutes, then rotate to the other side for 5 minutes. This is to prevent Peyronie's issues. Using the length maths first with this method will force your tissues to reach fatigue in no time.
I know you can't get too much of an erection, but do as best as you can. Remember, full erection is needed, but we are adapting to your needs.
Once you are done with the length master, give yourself a few minutes of rest. Use the pump to use with water. Start slow and go up to 8inHg. Stay for 2 minutes, drop to 6inHg, and stay for 1 minutes. Do SSJ as much as you like since SSJ helps you out with expansion.
Next pumping set, go slow to 8inHg, for 1 minute, up to 10inHg for 2 minutes, and then SSJ for however long you want. As you are entering into higher pressures, fluid retention will build.
Since you indicated in the past post that you can go higher and only feel like you get good expansion past 10inHg, you are now entering the dark magic growth zone. Be very careful. When pumping high, make sure to pay attention to everything like a mad man. Got straight up to 10inHg for 1 minute, slowly pump up to the upper pressure you think it's just right for you for that dull expansion feeling. Stay there for 2 minutes. Drop back down to 10 inHg for one minute. Noticed that this set of pumping has a total of 4 minutes. Perform your SSJ. This pumping set can be done 2 to 3 more times if you wish.
Cock ring on for as long as you can, if you can get an erection. If you cannot, just wrap it or use the penis sleeve and prevent it from retracting. Keep the penis elongated as long as you can throughout the day.
The Lengthmaster is the powerful length tools ever. It has been at the tool that got me past my goal of 11 inches.
I can rotate my penis, but the problem starts when rotating and pulling at the same time. This is where I can't pull enough because the pain is ultra intense. The same goes for behind the cheeks where when I do rotation stretches is painful but..... is it the sense of pain someone should have?
As someone who is new to using the length master, half rotation is enough for you to start with. Once you adapt to the length master, you can then do a full rotation maybe after like a month or two.
You have to check to make sure that the pump is well connected. You have to shave the pubic hair down there too. You also need to use some lubricant on your pubic area and also on the area of the pump that compresses to your body.
If you hear or feel there's an air leak somewhere between the cyinder's connection, the orings may be heated to the point of warping. Check the orings to make sure they are not damaged. The pistol pump is pretty hardy, so that will not be the issue.
Beside the orings, check the hose fitment as well. The temperature should not affect the hose. However, the fitting portion on the barbs can cause a bit of looseness if the temperature is high enough.
Very smart answer and I hope it helps him to get things right. Never leave the MityVac in too cold or hot place as this will warp venerable connections.