Attn Bib: Bib Starter Adjustments

[GOMER_PYLE]

Okay here are some pics to start with. Pic 1 shows how it is shaped and how it gets thicker toward the base.

Pic 2 shows the hanger adjustments. I'm not sure if you can tell but it is slightly toed in.

Pic 3 is of my new and more comfortable wrapping material which is thin bandage like [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace bandage[/words] I guess.

Pics 4 & 5 show how I wrap. Its a little close to the head in these pics but I don't have my unit stretched out either.

Pic 6 shows my hanging/stretching weight which is 10 pounds. This felt almost too comfortable BTW.

Pic 7 shows how I tighten the hanger, with the head stretched out just like when I'm wrapping.

Pics 8 & 9 show how it looks when hanging/stretching with 10 pounds.

Please let me know what you think Bib. Thanks,
Gomer

 

[Mr. Nine]

I'm not Bib but the bottom picture just screams that you have the top where it is meshing too close together. It doesn't look like you could tighten it anymore as you go into a set.

Those are clear pics.

 

[GOMER_PYLE]

Thanks for the response. I tried to make the pics as clear as possible but my camera isn't the best out there. I can actually tighten the hanger quite a bit more but I don't want to yet because it hurts if I tighten it any more than it is in the pics. Since I've been told over and over again that pain is bad, I decided to stop tightening it just as it starts to hurt. I've also been told that the top gap should be very close like it is in the pics, if not closer than that.

 

[RabinoRojo]

For your girth you should try to close a little more the hanger adjustments.

 

[Bib]

Gomer,

Sorry for the delay. I was very busy yesterday. I will try to do better.

I am going to go with some general comments, then over time, we can get into specifics.

In the second pic, the hanger adjustments, the bottom wing nuts are obviously not snugged down, not pulling the right half onto the adjustment hex nuts. Was that just to make the pic clear, to show the hex nuts clearly, or are you putting on the hanger with the wing nuts loose?

The wrap looks fine, or rather the technique of wrapping looks fine. But it does not look like your wrap provides a solid bundle. It looks a little spongy. Having said that, it appears in the last pic that you are anchored on the shoulders of the head, not on the head. At that weight, I assume you are grasping the internal structures effectively?

Even with the slight foreskin covering, I can tell that your entire head is well outside of the front thumbs of the hanger, which is good.

I believe that your top gap, the meshing of the teeth, looks fine. You do appear to have the ability to tighten more if needed. I suppose you can just grab the hanger, pull back against the resistance of the scale, and tighten more. Is that correct?

I always liked to tighten a bit more a minute or so into a set. Perhaps even 2-3 times at heavier weights.

So, how does this feel? Any problems?

Also, please measure your wrapped flaccid girth, and report that measurement.

Bigger

 

[GOMER_PYLE]

Thanks for the response. The pic of the hanger adjustments is to show you the settings. I do have the wingnuts tightened down while hanging though. As far as wrapping and grabbing the internal structures, I am only able to apply about 4 pounds before the hanger slips forward to the position in the pics. It's kinda hard to describe really. It grabs the skin just fine but after 4 pounds there is some "internal" discomfort as the hanger loses its grip on the mid shaft internal structures and slides forward. I'll take a few pics tonight to show you how it slips forward. My wrapped flaccid girth at mid shaft is 4 1/4" and when stretched it is 4 1/8". I can tighten the hanger more but it starts hurting when I do so. With heavier weights I used to tighten it more after every 3 minutes until I got to the 12 minute mark so I know what you're saying. As far as comfort goes it is very comfortable, but I haven't done a 20 minute set with this setting either. I'll get the pics up later tonight.

 

[GOMER_PYLE]

Here are the pics.

Pic 1 is with no weight.

Pic 2 is with 4 pounds.

Pic 3 is with 7 pounds.

Pic 4 is with 10 pounds.

Pic 5 is with 13 pounds.

I just finished a 20 minute set with 10 pounds and it doesn't hurt much at all. The glans turned purple of course but I never lost feeling. I think I'll do a hot wrap and do a couple more sets to see if I feel any fatigue in the morning. The skin is not near as tight as it used to be so I think more stress is on the penis itself.

 

[GOMER_PYLE]

Thanks for the PM, SWM. That is very helpful and I'll try it tonight to see if I can get it right. Nevertheless, here is the PM so that others may also benefit from it:

PM from SWM on 4/21/05: "Hey man, been following your starter thread. I can see what your exact problem seems to be. You need to be placing your hanger...when you very first put it on closer to where it needs to be before closing it then starting to tighten it. Where you show the hanger in the last pic where your head is all red and full of blood....thats where it should be before you add any resistance. Youre starting with the hanger tight as if you were ready to hang with it way to far back on the shaft. Then, of course when you add resistance to the hanger, the hanger is going to pull forward and pull blood with it into your glans. The hanger pulling forward under pressure along your penis is causing your bruising...and that excess blood in your glans.

Put the hanger on, give the top wingnut a few turns so the hanger wont move, pull the hanger back with the one hand while pulling your penis forward some. Then squeeze the excess blood from the front of your penis and glans. Then pull the hanger back forward. You should only be pulling it forward an inch to an inch and a half at the MOST. It should be about 1/2" behind the glans...the inner front fingers of the hanger should be maybe a little more than that far from the ridge of your glans. Start tightening your hanger down. While doing so, you should be pressing down on the top of your penis shaft that is forward and back of the teeth of the hanger. This pulls the top of the penis out of the way of those teeth and keeps it from getting any pinching. As the teeth of the hanger start to get closer together, pull the hanger forward some more with your HAND. The hanger should be close to stopping with the inner front fingers on the shoulder area of the penis a little behind the glans.

Continue tightening your hanger, pulling forward on it once every so many turns, to help get it achored to where it should be before you begin your "hanging" (as youre using some sort of fish scale looking thingee). You will know when your hanger is tightened enough when you can pull forward with as much of your own strength as you can without the hanger budging at all. It will anchor itself, and not budge from the shoulder area once you have it tight enough. You should be able to pull forward on the hanger by hand, and push on your glans, or squeeze your glans...and the glans should still be soft, with no engorgement.

Give this stuff a shot, copy/paste it to that thread of yours if you like, it may help some guys out."

 

[Bib]

Gomer,

OK, I do not want to throw too much at you at one time. Try the things SWM pointed out. That is good stuff, and I think we are on the same page.

The only thing I would add right now is this: When you are tightening, and reach a bit of discomfort, you can wait 10-30 seconds, and the discomfort will leave as your shaft conforms to the hanger. Then, you can tighten a bit more.

I agree with SWM about the area of first attachment. It looked too far back. Looked like you are taking too big of a "bite". Then the hanger is pushing a lot of blood forward, and is not tight enough to grasp the internal structures at that spot.

That is another topic that I have not written much about. There are spots on the shaft where it is less comfortable to attach. I learned over time to avoid those areas, or move the hanger after first attachment to avoid those areas. I think the way SWM described it, it will be easier for you to find your sweet spot for attachment.

One other thing that I will not get into right now, save for later. With a WFG of 4 1/8 to 4 1/4, your bottom adjustments look a bit wide to me. My WFG is about 5.5, and my adjustments on the Starter are not too much wider than yours. So I think, at higher weights, you are going to have to do one of two things: Either move the bottom adjustments in a bit more, find your attachment sweet spot, and tighten more, or use a bit more wrap, and increase your WFG. But you can do the things SWM was writing about first, and we can save that work for later.

But all in all, you are on the correct path. Do not be afraid to make changes and experiment with different things. I have said before, my entire hanging career was one big experiment. I was not consistant with one way of doing things for very long at all. I would use one technique, that worked well, and keep it as a baseline. But I would always try different stuff, looking for things that worked better for me.

Keep working.

Bigger

 

[Bib]

Gomer,

Let me ask one thing: When you attached that far back, as the hanger came forward, was the area of discomfort a 'knot' in the middle of the shaft?

I had this happen to me a bunch. Especially when I was in a skin stretching period, attaching far back, I would have to tighen a bit, grasping the skin, then push the hanger forward, past that 'knot', then tighten down the rest of the way.

I have tried to figure out what that knot might be, but never was able to find the answer.

Bigger

 

[GOMER_PYLE]

I tried tightening it higher up/further forward tonight and it made a night and day difference in grip and comfort. I also adjusted the bottom hex nuts in a couple full turns each and I'm sure that also helped a bunch with grip. I didn't want to pull too hard but I applied 17 pounds and it wouldn't slip so I assume that is a good thing. I still need to work on keeping blood out of the head though. Maybe I should have sex with myself an hour or so before so I won't be inclined to get an erection when I'm trying to hang. Damn I hate it when that happens. :flame: Getting pre-hang erections is probably the most frustrating thing about trying to get the hanger adjusted because they don't fully go away unless I start doing push-ups, sit-ups, or just leaving it completely alone and not thinking about anything sexual for like 10 minutes.

Anyway, about the "knot" feeling. I did feel that when I tightened it far back like in the previous pics and it was somewhat painful. It almost seemed like this is what happened:==hanger here()====} <--head/glans

I hope that half ass illustration makes sense to you but if it doesn't then here's my explanation: === is the penis shaft. () is the knot. } is the glans.
The hanger seems to bunch up the inner tissue in front of it forming a knot at low weights and that knot eventually slips through the hanger as more weight is applied, which is painful as it slips through. Thats what it feels like anyway.

 

[Bib]

Gomer,

>I tried tightening it higher up/further forward tonight and it made a night and day difference in grip and comfort. I also adjusted the bottom hex nuts in a couple full turns each and I'm sure that also helped a bunch with grip. I didn't want to pull too hard but I applied 17 pounds and it wouldn't slip so I assume that is a good thing.<

That sounds great. It seems that you are now dialing in. Remember what is working, but don't be afraid to continue experimenting, making slight adjustments around your current parameters.

>I still need to work on keeping blood out of the head though. Maybe I should have sex with myself an hour or so before so I won't be inclined to get an erection when I'm trying to hang. Damn I hate it when that happens. Getting pre-hang erections is probably the most frustrating thing about trying to get the hanger adjusted because they don't fully go away unless I start doing push-ups, sit-ups, or just leaving it completely alone and not thinking about anything sexual for like 10 minutes.<

Many guys have that problem. But it seems that over time, you get used to hanging, and your automatic functions seem to realize what is work, and what is sexual.

I would always wrap, and then apply heat for about ten minutes. This gave time for any turgidity to go down before the first set.

>Anyway, about the "knot" feeling. I did feel that when I tightened it far back like in the previous pics and it was somewhat painful. It almost seemed like this is what happened:==hanger here()====} <--head/glans<

That knot is one structure, in the middle of the shaft, that I could never utilize for attachment. At least not with the front thumbs. Now, with a regular, you can put the knot in the middle of the hanger, and it seems to work well.

>I hope that half ass illustration makes sense to you but if it doesn't then here's my explanation: === is the penis shaft. () is the knot. } is the glans.
The hanger seems to bunch up the inner tissue in front of it forming a knot at low weights and that knot eventually slips through the hanger as more weight is applied, which is painful as it slips through. Thats what it feels like anyway.<

Maybe we are not on the same page. The knot I am referring to is a distinct structure in the middle of the shaft, about 2/3 of the way up the shaft from the base. You seem to be referring to the shoulders formed by bunching tissue forward of the hanger. That is the way it is supposed to be. I hope I am wrong about your situation.

Bigger

 

[GOMER_PYLE]

Okay now I see what you mean. I do have somewhat of a knot about 2/3 of the way up my shaft also but I can just barely feel it. Your knot must be larger than mine because it took me about 30 seconds of squeezing and prodding to find it. I don't think mine would be of any use to me as a grip enhancer because of its small size. Although it may be helping and I don't know it because my flaccid size from my fat pad to the base of the glans isn't much longer than my hanger so the knot has to be in there when I'm hanging.

 

[Bib]

Gomer,

>Okay now I see what you mean. I do have somewhat of a knot about 2/3 of the way up my shaft also but I can just barely feel it. Your knot must be larger than mine because it took me about 30 seconds of squeezing and prodding to find it. I don't think mine would be of any use to me as a grip enhancer because of its small size. Although it may be helping and I don't know it because my flaccid size from my fat pad to the base of the glans isn't much longer than my hanger so the knot has to be in there when I'm hanging.<

OK, so that is not an area of discomfort. So it is simply that if you attach the hanger too far back, you cannot tighten enough to prevent the internal structures from 'flowing' through the hanger?

At some weight, I believe about 20 lbs, I always had to depend on the sides of the shoulders of my head, and the front thumbs, to provide a stop for the hanger. IOW, the internal structures of the shaft would not alone provide enough resistance to the weight. Your critical weight in this regard may be a bit lower. So attaching a bit closer to the head may be better. But you still need to be far enough back to develope 'shoulders' to cushion the hanger away from the head.

Bigger

 

[GOMER_PYLE]

Yes, if I attach it too far back the internal structures flow through it and that hurts when it does it. No matter how tight I have it, it still flows through. The only difference tightening it more makes is that it hurts more when it slips through. Attaching the hanger closer to the head has made a hell of a difference in grip and comfort. I did 2-20 minute sets at 12 pounds last night and while I don't feel any fatigue this morning, the glans and skin aren't sore either like they used to be. I didn't get any dark purple discoloration in the glans while hanging either, now that I've been able to keep the blood out of the head. I stretched it to 20 pounds for a couple seconds last night during my sets and it barely slipped at all. The head was always in front of the thumbs and seated loosely in the head well. That might have changed with a full 20 minute set at 20 pounds but I know I'm not ready for that yet. Thanks for the help guys, I had no idea my issues would be so simple to fix but I'm damn glad they were.