If I may suggest "the mandingo v-stretch" is much better and more intense. When I was doing the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] I added that and bundles a strecthes. I seen a diff in about a week