Tried 20:4 diet?

I’m mainly counting calories

hoping to get to 12% body fat …. lol
 
PenisJihad said:
I’m mainly counting calories

hoping to get to 12% body fat …. LOL
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Reduce carbohydrates, and fuel your body on vegetables (greens), meat and fat and you will loose visceral body fat (fat inside your body). I do not count calories. Only drink water and coffee.

You don't need to count calories.
 
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I'm starting to get more fat om my belly now, I believe it's because mentally I now want to lift heavy weights again.
But in a way it's good because it's getting colder outside now, I was so cold before (not me at all) now my body temperature is much better (feeling of not being cold). To have like 15% body fat is so hard to do, for me it feels like I'm running on low energy. But I do not like it either to have to much fat inside my body, that is not healthy at all. I should measure myself with, InBody270 before I make a to big change in my body composition.

But I will do my best to keep this diet in check. My goal now, is to get stronger on this diet. Before I drank Whey-80 (3 shakes per day) and milk (like 3 liters per day), I do not want to do this now, even when I know that milk are making me strong. But the risk of looking like a strongman is to great....but I do not think I have a choice. 😆
If you lift heavy weight you will start to look like a strongman.

But it's just that, it's so wonderful to be extremely flexible in your mid section. When you have thick abdominal obliques it's much harder to be flexible, but you will be strong like a Gorilla, and clothing will not fit you. A shirt of 3XL will even be to small, because the buttons will not hold themselves together.

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LengthMaster 3.0, Eggs and meat are so amazing of keeping you strong. I think I ate 18 eggs on Sunday. That was to much.
I suppose I just wanted to share my experience on this diet. We call this the meat and egg diet, with a 20:4 component (fasting 20 hours and eating 4 hours). Oh man I'm sick and tired on this food, but I have to admit this diet are keeping me relatively lean and strong at the same time. I can have like 3 weeks rest from the gym, and In some strange way I'm still strong.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
I'm starting to get more fat om my belly now, I believe it's because mentally I now want to lift heavy weights again.
But in a way it's good because it's getting colder outside now, I was so cold before (not me at all) now my body temperature is much better (feeling of not being cold). To have like 15% body fat is so hard to do, for me it feels like I'm running on low energy. But I do not like it either to have to much fat inside my body, that is not healthy at all. I should measure myself with, InBody270 before I make a to big change in my body composition.

But I will do my best to keep this diet in check. My goal now, is to get stronger on this diet. Before I drank Whey-80 (3 shakes per day) and milk (like 3 liters per day), I do not want to do this now, even when I know that milk are making me strong. But the risk of looking like a strongman is to great....but I do not think I have a choice. 😆
If you lift heavy weight you will start to look like a strongman.

But it's just that, it's so wonderful to be extremely flexible in your mid section. When you have thick abdominal obliques it's much harder to be flexible, but you will be strong like a Gorilla, and clothing will not fit you. A shirt of 3XL will even be to small, because the buttons will not hold themselves together.

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LengthMaster 3.0, Eggs and meat are so amazing of keeping you strong. I think I ate 18 eggs on Sunday. That was to much.
I suppose I just wanted to share my experience on this diet. We call this the meat and egg diet, with a 20:4 component (fasting 20 hours and eating 4 hours). Oh man I'm sick and tired on this food, but I have to admit this diet are keeping me relatively lean and strong at the same time. I can have like 3 weeks rest from the gym, and In some strange way I'm still strong.
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I love this diet
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
I'm starting to get more fat om my belly now, I believe it's because mentally I now want to lift heavy weights again.
But in a way it's good because it's getting colder outside now, I was so cold before (not me at all) now my body temperature is much better (feeling of not being cold). To have like 15% body fat is so hard to do, for me it feels like I'm running on low energy. But I do not like it either to have to much fat inside my body, that is not healthy at all. I should measure myself with, InBody270 before I make a to big change in my body composition.

But I will do my best to keep this diet in check. My goal now, is to get stronger on this diet. Before I drank Whey-80 (3 shakes per day) and milk (like 3 liters per day), I do not want to do this now, even when I know that milk are making me strong. But the risk of looking like a strongman is to great....but I do not think I have a choice. 😆
If you lift heavy weight you will start to look like a strongman.

But it's just that, it's so wonderful to be extremely flexible in your mid section. When you have thick abdominal obliques it's much harder to be flexible, but you will be strong like a Gorilla, and clothing will not fit you. A shirt of 3XL will even be to small, because the buttons will not hold themselves together.

View attachment 1834097


LengthMaster 3.0, Eggs and meat are so amazing of keeping you strong. I think I ate 18 eggs on Sunday. That was to much.
I suppose I just wanted to share my experience on this diet. We call this the meat and egg diet, with a 20:4 component (fasting 20 hours and eating 4 hours). Oh man I'm sick and tired on this food, but I have to admit this diet are keeping me relatively lean and strong at the same time. I can have like 3 weeks rest from the gym, and In some strange way I'm still strong.
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My diet is almost like yours now. Just yesterday, I reduced the carbs and upped the eggs from 7 to 14. I've been going to the gym 5 days a week. I train my muscles 3 days a week. I use the remaining 2 days to train my legs and then I rest Saturday and Sunday. Is this good?
 
huge-girth said:
Are you still very active with this practice? I've managed to increase my egg consumption to 14 daily like @squirt_inducer_man but I still don't know how to really calculate the calories
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Still active with it. It's nice to not eat anything during the day. Most days I eat, 7 to 10 eggs, I do not calculate anything.

huge-girth said:
My diet is almost like yours now. Just yesterday, I reduced the carbs and upped the eggs from 7 to 14. I've been going to the gym 5 days a week. I train my muscles 3 days a week. I use the remaining 2 days to train my legs and then I rest Saturday and Sunday. Is this good?
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The most important aspect of loosing fat is diet. It's 90% of the process.

Depending on what you do at the gym this can be to much. It feels like you are keeping a bodybuilding schedule.

Personally that do not work for me, I need at least 48 hours between my heavy weight lifting days. But I use my entire body in every lift I do (or at least lift really heavy). If you do this you will maximize development of muscle mass growth. It's no reason trying to keep up with drugged up lifters, doing 7 days a week and 4 hours every day. Your body will not be able to get stronger from that being 100% natural. When I was at my strongest I was lifting weights 1-2 times per week.

It all depends on your goals an purpose from going to the gym.

I'm doing the Mike Mentzer approach. Lifting weights is as important as the rest time to build everything up.

Are you doing any cardio? Even if this will not be a determined factor to loses weight, and build muscles. With a stronger heart our muscles and our entire body becomes stronger. With a stronger heart you can lift heavier weights.
 
I broke as a joke so I just can't afford it 😔
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
Still active with it. It's nice to not eat anything during the day. Most days I eat, 7 to 10 eggs, I do not calculate anything.


The most important aspect of loosing fat is diet. It's 90% of the process.

Depending on what you do at the gym this can be to much. It feels like you are keeping a bodybuilding schedule.

Personally that do not work for me, I need at least 48 hours between my heavy weight lifting days. But I use my entire body in every lift I do (or at least lift really heavy). If you do this you will maximize development of muscle mass growth. It's no reason trying to keep up with drugged up lifters, doing 7 days a week and 4 hours every day. Your body will not be able to get stronger from that being 100% natural. When I was at my strongest I was lifting weights 1-2 times per week.

It all depends on your goals an purpose from going to the gym.

I'm doing the Mike Mentzer approach. Lifting weights is as important as the rest time to build everything up.

Are you doing any cardio? Even if this will not be a determined factor to loses weight, and build muscles. With a stronger heart our muscles and our entire body becomes stronger. With a stronger heart you can lift heavier weights.
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There are a couple things I would like to talk about here.

The first thing is the idea of overtraining. Most beginners they get told not to overtrain, they get told to prioritise recovery and all this and to not do too much, when in reality the truth is that almost no beginner is doing enough training with the proper form in order to get anywhere close to overtraining.

I've heard you talk about the Mike Mentzer approach to lifting and I'm going to be honest and tell you that this is not a great way of training for hypertrophy OR strength gains. I'll explain why.
  • Research has concluded that total volume is important when it comes to muscle growth, when you train the Mike Mentzer style you are limiting the amount of total volume you can achieve by only having as little as 2 days to train it for each muscle group.
  • Another thing is that training to failure in the way that Mike preaches will accumulate a massive amount of systemic fatigue that will then make it even more difficult to recover from the training that you are doing, training to failure often/all the time will wear out your CNS and make things even more difficult.
  • Another point is that muscle recovery take nowhere near as long as people in the old school era preached. Yes different people can recover in different time periods, for example I can train legs every 2 days and be fine, others can't. But do you have to wait as long as a week to be recovered before training them again? Absolutely not, even though the legs are very big, especially the quads, they do not take this long to recover from. It's been shown actually in some studies that it takes 48-72 hours to recover no matter how much volume way used in any given session.
  • Research has shown that greater frequency equated to greater muscle growth in the long run, frequency is key. One guy might train back once per week, the guy training it twice is gonna see better results.

@huge-girth said that he's training 5 days a week, he can make even more gains if he trains 6 even as a natural so long as he is on a good program with the right total volume and recovery periodization that I can help him with if he ever wants me to.
He could do:

Push
Pull
Legs
Repeat and rest or

Chest Arms
Shoulders Back
Repeat and rest

Both of these are 6 day programs that MILLIONS of natural lifters(including myself) have been using for years and are seeing tremendous results with. If volume and intensity are accounted for then training more often can be better for growth.

That's not to say that you can't train as little as twice per week and make gains. The accepted number of sets per week that any muscle group can handle is around 15-20 sets per week, some muscle groups can take more, for example the delts. Because the delts have so many androgen receptors they can recover at a rapid pace compered to other muscle groups like the quads which are just so damn big.

I could drone on forever with this but you get the idea. Hope this helps.
 
collosaltitan said:
There are a couple things I would like to talk about here.

The first thing is the idea of overtraining. Most beginners they get told not to overtrain, they get told to prioritise recovery and all this and to not do too much, when in reality the truth is that almost no beginner is doing enough training with the proper form in order to get anywhere close to overtraining.

I've heard you talk about the Mike Mentzer approach to lifting and I'm going to be honest and tell you that this is not a great way of training for hypertrophy OR strength gains. I'll explain why.
  • Research has concluded that total volume is important when it comes to muscle growth, when you train the Mike Mentzer style you are limiting the amount of total volume you can achieve by only having as little as 2 days to train it for each muscle group.
  • Another thing is that training to failure in the way that Mike preaches will accumulate a massive amount of systemic fatigue that will then make it even more difficult to recover from the training that you are doing, training to failure often/all the time will wear out your CNS and make things even more difficult.
  • Another point is that muscle recovery take nowhere near as long as people in the old school era preached. Yes different people can recover in different time periods, for example I can train legs every 2 days and be fine, others can't. But do you have to wait as long as a week to be recovered before training them again? Absolutely not, even though the legs are very big, especially the quads, they do not take this long to recover from. It's been shown actually in some studies that it takes 48-72 hours to recover no matter how much volume way used in any given session.
  • Research has shown that greater frequency equated to greater muscle growth in the long run, frequency is key. One guy might train back once per week, the guy training it twice is gonna see better results.

@huge-girth said that he's training 5 days a week, he can make even more gains if he trains 6 even as a natural so long as he is on a good program with the right total volume and recovery periodization that I can help him with if he ever wants me to.
He could do:

Push
Pull
Legs
Repeat and rest or

Chest Arms
Shoulders Back
Repeat and rest

Both of these are 6 day programs that MILLIONS of natural lifters(including myself) have been using for years and are seeing tremendous results with. If volume and intensity are accounted for then training more often can be better for growth.

That's not to say that you can't train as little as twice per week and make gains. The accepted number of sets per week that any muscle group can handle is around 15-20 sets per week, some muscle groups can take more, for example the delts. Because the delts have so many androgen receptors they can recover at a rapid pace compered to other muscle groups like the quads which are just so damn big.

I could drone on forever with this but you get the idea. Hope this helps.
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I just want to say that I agree with most of what you wrote. I just have a different system that works for me. It's not exactly like Mike Mentzer. I will try to explain it in details sometimes later on. It's a extremely structured system where I write every exercise and set down in a notebook. I go to failure, but not the typical kind of failure that's most common in bodybuilding.
I work with different kind of weights and intensity in order to become stronger. For example, walking around with a 60 kg slam-ball (no belt), doing 80 kg one armed dumbbell pulls (no belt), pulling 190 kg in deadlift without a belt (can go up to 200 kg without a belt)...this are the kind of structure I'm talking about. Doing 5 sets of for example dumbbell row of heavy weights really put stress on your body (your entire body), and in a sense this is my definition of going to failure. It's a combination of strongman, power lifting and bodybuilding... so I do not care so much about working one and one muscle group...everything gets stronger with time.

I lost like 30 kg during this year after finding MOS and starting on my length program...so it's tough to lose so much mass and become weaker...but I'm still strong. But one thing is at least clear. My penis is much bigger now.
 
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