New Sleeves need some feedback

DLD · May 17, 2018

We are now trying to get the best pricing on these sleeves by buying the substrate in large amounts (very large upfront cost) we also are going to cast a mold so these can be made faster. My question is pricing. Phallosan sells their sleeves at a ridiculous $26.50 a piece, I had to look at that a few times top realize they are truly that expensive. Cheap Chinese sleeves are anywhere from $20 down to $5. The $20 sleeves are decent and the $5 sleeves are shit. Neither sleeve compares to the Phallosan sleeve. So we are at a point of where we need to be price wise. I am considering doing multi-packs and single sales. Now before I ask these sleeves we are making are so much better than Phallosan by far. So what I would like to know is what do you guys think is fair pricing? I understand in the beginning we will lose money due to upfront costs but after that is absorbed what would be a good retail price for a piece? Would 5 packs or 10 packs be a good idea? Please help us with this as prices are all over the place. Thanks for the feedback and help in these final steps.

MikeyM · May 17, 2018

doublelongdaddy;758404 said:
We are now trying to get the best pricing on these sleeves by buying the substrate in large amounts (very large upfront cost) we also are going to cast a mold so these can be made faster. My question is pricing. Phallosan sells their sleeves at a ridiculous $26.50 a piece, I had to look at that a few times top realize they are truly that expensive. Cheap Chinese sleeves are anywhere from $20 down to $5. The $20 sleeves are decent and the $5 sleeves are shit. Neither sleeve compares to the Phallosan sleeve. So we are at a point of where we need to be price wise. I am considering doing multi-packs and single sales. Now before I ask these sleeves we are making are so much better than Phallosan by far. So what I would like to know is what do you guys think is fair pricing? I understand in the beginning we will lose money due to upfront costs but after that is absorbed what would be a good retail price for a piece? Would 5 packs or 10 packs be a good idea? Please help us with this as prices are all over the place. Thanks for the feedback and help in these final steps.

I would think you would have your guys that would want to try it first then maybe get more. So maybe have packs of 1, 3, 10.. I'm ready to try them out!

DLD · May 17, 2018

Mike3209;758410 said:
I would think you would have your guys that would want to try it first then maybe get more. So maybe have packs of 1, 3, 10.. I'm ready to try them out!

They have been tested and approved

MikeyM · May 17, 2018

doublelongdaddy;758417 said:
They have been tested and approved

Yeah I remember that. I thought you were asking how we would like to see them sold.

DLD · May 17, 2018

I also want Bandit to know, I do not rip people off, I make people money! You wanna do your thing and sell it somewhere else go for it. I take small time shit and make it big. If we ain’t talking bout large money what’s the fucking point? I am the most honest dude in this business. I have made many people money without taking a cent so you guys can get deals. What do you think I am going to do? Sit around and cast a sleeve or 2 a day? Really? I got involved because I have the cloud to make this successful, which makes you money, much more than some ghetto ass one sleeve a day operation! I give it to Lightning and He makes it happen. And what do you have to do? Nothing! Just sit back and get paid. I guess that’s a bit better than your accusation, huh? Peace

bandit2010 · May 17, 2018

hey sorry I was not accusing anyone of anything, I was just simply stating what I seen, I am sorry if I made anyone mad.

DLD · May 17, 2018

Trust me! I love you as a Brother, I would never do anything to violate.

Sinthious · May 17, 2018

doublelongdaddy;758426 said:
I also want Bandit to know, I do not rip people off, I make people money! You wanna do your thing and sell it somewhere else go for it. I take small time shit and make it big. If we ain’t talking bout large money what’s the fucking point? I am the most honest dude in this business. I have made many people money without taking a cent so you guys can get deals. What do you think I am going to do? Sit around and cast a sleeve or 2 a day? Really? I got involved because I have the cloud to make this successful, which makes you money, much more than some ghetto ass one sleeve a day operation! I give it to Lightning and He makes it happen. And what do you have to do? Nothing! Just sit back and get paid. I guess that’s a bit better than your accusation, huh? Peace

Woah Dld take a step back this is highly aggressive, I would like to try and see if we can clear the air a little so that this whole mess can calm down with out any more aggression from either party. I do think there have been some aggressive actions taken by both of you wither directly or indirectly i think this can still be cleared up where both of you can be happy. I have spoken to bandit via the phone at length about this i do believe there have been some misunderstandings between Bandits southern accent and word choice that may have implied some aggressive and accusative topics that he did not earnestly mean.

Edit:
I posted then noticed the other two, after i typed it out, still Dld if you would PM me i would like your input.

Lookn4girth · May 18, 2018

I would think that the price should be higher than the shit ones and less than the decent ones. My thinking is that if you can get a better product at a cheaper price, why spend more money on something that is lower quality. I have bought one of the shit ones for $5 before and after testing the one that bandit made, I would gladly pay more for it. By the way, I am still using that sleeve that he sent me

huge-girth · May 18, 2018

doublelongdaddy;758404 said:
We are now trying to get the best pricing on these sleeves by buying the substrate in large amounts (very large upfront cost) we also are going to cast a mold so these can be made faster. My question is pricing. Phallosan sells their sleeves at a ridiculous $26.50 a piece, I had to look at that a few times top realize they are truly that expensive. Cheap Chinese sleeves are anywhere from $20 down to $5. The $20 sleeves are decent and the $5 sleeves are shit. Neither sleeve compares to the Phallosan sleeve. So we are at a point of where we need to be price wise. I am considering doing multi-packs and single sales. Now before I ask these sleeves we are making are so much better than Phallosan by far. So what I would like to know is what do you guys think is fair pricing? I understand in the beginning we will lose money due to upfront costs but after that is absorbed what would be a good retail price for a piece? Would 5 packs or 10 packs be a good idea? Please help us with this as prices are all over the place. Thanks for the feedback and help in these final steps.

This sleeve has been tested and approved (even by one of our biggest critics, stillwantsmore) and it is by far superior to the Phallosan sleeve therefore, I think fair pricing is when you have a superior product that sells around same price with phallosan sleeve. A single sleeve shouldn't be sold anything less than $25. I mean you are getting a meaningful sleeve which is worth the money. $25 is not expensive at all when you think about the quality of the sleeve.

DLD · May 18, 2018

bandit2010;758427 said:
hey sorry I was not accusing anyone of anything, I was just simply stating what I seen, I am sorry if I made anyone mad.

If you charged for the samples you were casting what do you feel is a good price per piece retail? The pricing is all over the place. The price we charge can be adjusted by how much we buy in quantity. So if you had to consider your time and material cost what would you need to charge retail for the sleeve as is. This will give me a good baseline. We were thinking in the $15 range with a 5 year warranty. Thoughts Bandit and all else involved?

Remember also these sleeve will not be ready for some time as we need to finalize some other factors.

DLD · May 18, 2018

Sinthious;758429 said:
Woah Dld take a step back this is highly aggressive, I would like to try and see if we can clear the air a little so that this whole mess can calm down with out any more aggression from either party. I do think there have been some aggressive actions taken by both of you wither directly or indirectly i think this can still be cleared up where both of you can be happy. I have spoken to bandit via the phone at length about this i do believe there have been some misunderstandings between Bandits southern accent and word choice that may have implied some aggressive and accusative topics that he did not earnestly mean.

Edit:
I posted then noticed the other two, after i typed it out, still Dld if you would PM me i would like your input.

I took like 10 steps back, it's all good. It was rumored I was cutting bandit out of this and that is something that troubles me greatly as I have always been nothing but a stand up guy who does what he says he is going to do. I did not talk with Bandit, I was called at home by LIGHTNING who told me I was being called a cheat and a liar and this really took me back as I am doing everything I can for this project to make Bandit successful in what he is doing. This means I need to take his work and make it profitable. Do you guys want to pay $50 a sleeve? Of course not, you want the best price possible and that means new molds and warehousing bulk material. At the rate of making these one a piece the price would be ridiculous and everyone loses. When I get involved I try to cut costs and improve quality. If this is considered me "ripping someone off" or "Cutting them out" then the whole point is missed. I am honest and upstaging and in the end Bandit will do far better than he ever could without our support.

DLD · May 18, 2018

Lookn4girth;758430 said:
I would think that the price should be higher than the shit ones and less than the decent ones. My thinking is that if you can get a better product at a cheaper price, why spend more money on something that is lower quality. I have bought one of the shit ones for $5 before and after testing the one that bandit made, I would gladly pay more for it. By the way, I am still using that sleeve that he sent me

I am very confident in everything to the point of a warranty. If I go with $15 I can add a warranty and get Bandit a good profit while covering our costs and making a small profit for the Brotherhood to help pay bills and such. I think that if we can make this sleeve of such a high quality a warranty SHOULD be something we offer showing our we confidence in the product. Now if we are able to get affiliates to carry our sleeves and they catch the market, pricing can come further down.

DLD · May 18, 2018

huge-girth;758438 said:
This sleeve has been tested and approved (even by one of our biggest critics, stillwantsmore) and it is by far superior to the Phallosan sleeve therefore, I think fair pricing is when you have a superior product that sells around same price with phallosan sleeve. A single sleeve shouldn't be sold anything less than $25. I mean you are getting a meaningful sleeve which is worth the money. $25 is not expensive at all when you think about the quality of the sleeve.

$25 is just too high in my opinion, maybe I am being too low at $15, maybe a compromise of $18 and maybe a 2 pack for $30? I can't really peg it down specifically until all feedback and pricing comes back. Getting closer and I am very excited.

Sinthious · May 18, 2018

doublelongdaddy;758483 said:
I took like 10 steps back, it's all good. It was rumored I was cutting bandit out of this and that is something that troubles me greatly as I have always been nothing but a stand up guy who does what he says he is going to do. I did not talk with Bandit, I was called at home by LIGHTNING who told me I was being called a cheat and a liar and this really took me back as I am doing everything I can for this project to make Bandit successful in what he is doing. This means I need to take his work and make it profitable. Do you guys want to pay $50 a sleeve? Of course not, you want the best price possible and that means new molds and warehousing bulk material. At the rate of making these one a piece the price would be ridiculous and everyone loses. When I get involved I try to cut costs and improve quality. If this is considered me "ripping someone off" or "Cutting them out" then the whole point is missed. I am honest and upstaging and in the end Bandit will do far better than he ever could without our support.

I can understand your outrage and do not disagree that it was deserved, I have heard Bandits side but until now i had little first hand info on your side this is why i wanted your input. I do believe some negative information about you and the way you have handled certain topics (true or not does not matter) had been fed to Bandit that combined with him not having home internet and thus no communication throughout the project nor any fine detail on how he is included led him to the thinking that he was being cut loose before anything even happened. I feel i understand his concern from talking to him was that by mass producing the product he was worried that the finished product would be a cheap inferior product thus why he wanted to do the 1 off thing. I for lack of a better word lectured him about how no one is going to invest that amount of capital into a project that doesn't have a break even point before 5-10 years its just not logical and would be a horrible way to do business, I can conquer with your thinking with finding a way to produce a mass amount of product for as little as possible so that 1 profits can be secured and 2 the total cost of the product is one that will allow MOS members and the general public to buy said item. Now i would be happy to talk in more detail about everything if you would like, i am trying to keep a neutral standpoint so that this can be understood by both you and bandit.

DLD · May 18, 2018

Sinthious;758501 said:
I can understand your outrage and do not disagree that it was deserved, I have heard Bandits side but until now i had little first hand info on your side this is why i wanted your input. I do believe some negative information about you and the way you have handled certain topics (true or not does not matter) had been fed to Bandit that combined with him not having home internet and thus no communication throughout the project nor any fine detail on how he is included led him to the thinking that he was being cut loose before anything even happened. I feel i understand his concern from talking to him was that by mass producing the product he was worried that the finished product would be a cheap inferior product thus why he wanted to do the 1 off thing. I for lack of a better word lectured him about how no one is going to invest that amount of capital into a project that doesn't have a break even point before 5-10 years its just not logical and would be a horrible way to do business, I can conquer with your thinking with finding a way to produce a mass amount of product for as little as possible so that 1 profits can be secured and 2 the total cost of the product is one that will allow MOS members and the general public to buy said item. Now i would be happy to talk in more detail about everything if you would like, i am trying to keep a neutral standpoint so that this can be understood by both you and bandit.

There is no issue as long as Bandit knows I am looking out for him. In addition, we are not mass producing, we are making a better mold that will allow us to make more than one or two a day, bring costs down while improving quality. There is really nothing to understand then I am taking what Bandit did and making it into something that everyone can afford and have a quality sleeve that will last. In addition we can offer warranty that would just kill Bandit if he has to replace sleeves every time there was a warranty issue. If you are in contact with him tell him I am doing something that will benefit him so much more than anything he is thinking about now. Simply relay the message that he is in good hands. I have been doing this since 1999 and I have made many small companies into giants with my eye always on giving you guys the best pricing. BathMate, Penomet, SizeGenetics, Phallosan, without MOS they would not have anywhere near the success they have. We are trusted official forums of all our affiliates we carry, just how good we are with solid partnerships.

DLD · May 18, 2018

doublelongdaddy;758508 said:
There is no issue as long as Bandit knows I am looking out for him. In addition, we are not mass producing, we are making a better mold that will allow us to make more than one or two a day, bring costs down while improving quality. There is really nothing to understand then I am taking what Bandit did and making it into something that everyone can afford and have a quality sleeve that will last. In addition we can offer warranty that would just kill Bandit if he has to replace sleeves every time there was a warranty issue. If you are in contact with him tell him I am doing something that will benefit him so much more than anything he is thinking about now. Simply relay the message that he is in good hands. I have been doing this since 1999 and I have made many small companies into giants with my eye always on giving you guys the best pricing. BathMate, Penomet, SizeGenetics, Phallosan, without MOS they would not have anywhere near the success they have. We are trusted official forums of all our affiliates we carry, just how good we are with solid partnerships.

PS: I never get outraged, I never even get mad. I was simply upset that I was being misrepresented or misunderstood as I take it now. I am a vert strong leader here so I am direct and I do not mince my words. I am who I have always been, a man of God who has always looked out for the nest of the Brotherhood.

Sinthious · May 18, 2018

doublelongdaddy;758509 said:
PS: I never get outraged, I never even get mad. I was simply upset that I was being misrepresented or misunderstood as I take it now. I am a vert strong leader here so I am direct and I do not mince my words. I am who I have always been, a man of God who has always looked out for the nest of the Brotherhood.

That is what i meant by outrage the way you felt you were being represented, From what you have said today I can at least say that you and Bandit have a similar goal in mind, Produce a quality Sleeve that both MOS, Bandit and yourself can have pride in I will relay your message to Bandit. I feel that this will be worked out smoothly and a good partnership can be formed, I know that one thing that is important to Bandit it to have some measure of partnership and communication it may be that the lack of internet connection is the bump in the road that is making this process hard. Should i be able to assist let me know

Big Schwanz Acht · May 18, 2018

Jeez, a guy doesn't log-on for one day and misses-out on all the fun!

DLD · May 18, 2018

When I make an affiliate it is all business and handled by Lightning. The deal is made. Nothing goes unaccounted for and everything is recorded and paid monthly. As I said I have worked with many partners and everyone of them has done well. But those who try to go off on their own? Good luck with that! But again, I do not get angry or upset, I become protective of my name and that of the Brotherhood. I appreciate your help in this, conveying my message.

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