Completely different animals. The PhalloGenetics works more like a Penimaster Pro, just much more powerful. The New SizeDoctor is a whole new approach to extending! It works in the complete opposite of the SizeGenetics.

Can you expound on this a bit more as I am slightly confused? When you say that the new Size Doctor is a whole new approach to extending and it works just the opposite of the SG and the PMP, just how is that and what can I expect if I purchased one. I already have the SG, LM, and a Bathmate. Will the Size Doctor offer me any new and improved results over what I have now? I can tell by reading that the "Phallogenetics" offers a more powerful stretch............. but man............. the Phallosan is just a bit to pricey for me right now.
 
Can you expound on this a bit more as I am slightly confused? When you say that the new Size Doctor is a whole new approach to extending and it works just the opposite of the SG and the PMP, just how is that and what can I expect if I purchased one. I already have the SG, LM, and a Bathmate. Will the Size Doctor offer me any new and improved results over what I have now? I can tell by reading that the "Phallogenetics" offers a more powerful stretch............. but man............. the Phallosan is just a bit to pricey for me right now.

The PhalloGenetics is by far the most powerful extender modification. It is stronger than any of the other ADS devices we sell. The SizeDoctor is a completely different way of extending, if you look at their page you’ll see that it is a completely reversed version of every extender on the market. That is what peaked my curiosity which eventually led to us making a big deal with them.
 
The PhalloGenetics is by far the most powerful extender modification. It is stronger than any of the other ADS devices we sell. The SizeDoctor is a completely different way of extending, if you look at their page you’ll see that it is a completely reversed version of every extender on the market. That is what peaked my curiosity which eventually led to us making a big deal with them.
I can appreciate how the Phallogenics does provide a stronger stretch. I've rigged it up myself using my Phallosan and my X4 (an extender is an extender is an extender). And while it does provide a good stretch, it's a bit of a hassle putting it together, getting it on, taking it off etc. On the other hand, the Phallo can just as easily be rigged as a hanger. actually much easier. I've done it and managed to hang 10 lbs for an hour at a time. What I would like to know is: In what way is using the rather difficult setup of the Phallogenetics superior to simply hanging? Even if you got the Plus + extender that is now offered, it is limited to about 10 lbs stretch. Again, what is the difference? I don't see any. By the way, it's been a loooooong time since I've been to the forums. Kind of fun looking at all the new posts, developments etc.
Cheers
Fillerup
 
What I would like to know is: In what way is using the rather difficult setup of the Phallogenetics superior to simply hanging ? Even if you got the Plus + extender that is now offered, it is limited to about 10 lbs stretch . Again, what is the difference?


Nice to have you back around.

I think the addition of the Phallogenics when you hang weights, is, that it can be used as an All day stretching device using a low tension, whereas hanging you cannot do it for very long periods with the weight needed, but in much shorter high intensity sets.

The extender uses the same principles as the ADS, in that, by using lighter force over long periods of time, additional cell growth is created and more size produced.

This has been demonstrated, and when using ADS, in this case a Phallogenics alongside hangers, they work in synergy because after the much more intense hanging sessions with weights, afterwards, that fatigued penis, is further stretched out, but using lighter tension with something like ADS, or an extender.

Thus, keeping the elongated state for longer, with the penis healing larger while in this extended state.

SRT explains it all perfectly by DLD.

One could also use the Phallosan forte suction cup, and the phallosan Plus+ instead of the Phallogenics to achieve the same ends.
 
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I can appreciate how the Phallogenics does provide a stronger stretch. I've rigged it up myself using my Phallosan and my X4 (an extender is an extender is an extender). And while it does provide a good stretch, it's a bit of a hassle putting it together, getting it on, taking it off etc. On the other hand, the Phallo can just as easily be rigged as a hanger. actually much easier. I've done it and managed to hang 10 lbs for an hour at a time. What I would like to know is: In what way is using the rather difficult setup of the Phallogenetics superior to simply hanging? Even if you got the Plus + extender that is now offered, it is limited to about 10 lbs stretch. Again, what is the difference? I don't see any. By the way, it's been a loooooong time since I've been to the forums. Kind of fun looking at all the new posts, developments etc.
Cheers
Fillerup

I think the biggest difference is the longevity of the actual stretch. When we hang we use heavier weight for shorter periods but when we extend we use lighter weight for longer periods. Both have their advantages. Personally if you’re going to hang I would also extend so you make gains from both areas. Because the penis grows in different ways between the two. I hope that was the answer you were looking for but if I misunderstood the question please let me know
 
I think the biggest difference is the longevity of the actual stretch. When we hang we use heavier weight for shorter periods but when we extend we use lighter weight for longer periods. Both have their advantages. Personally if you’re going to hang I would also extend so you make gains from both areas. Because the penis grows in different ways between the two. I hope that was the answer you were looking for but if I misunderstood the question please let me know
Thanks you both, DLD and Red. Appreciate your replies. I think I might not have been clear enough in my post so I'll try to do better here, addressing both of you and your comments. First of all, I am fully aware of the concept of using heavier weights and then using some kind of ADS to keep extended and heal in that state. I've been doing this stuff for 40 years, so I've learned a thing or two. But there are some discrepancies that I am trying to resolve. First off, let's start with the Phallosan itself. I remember when I bought mine, the instructions were to keep the gauge in the green part, or perhaps yellow. They did not recommend going into the Red, pointing out that it was the long duration of use that produced the gains, not the amount of weight. They also did not recommend using any other form of enlargement during the months of phallosan use. They also claim that at max stretch, the phallosan produces a max of 6 lbs stretch. This is simply not true. If you don't believe me, try hanging a weight from the phallosan. 2 or 3 pounds and the gauge is maxed out into the red zone. Having said that, I have a couple of issues that I can hopefully clarify.

1) The whole idea of the Phallogenetics ( or in my case the PhalloX4) is to provide a much stronger stretch. This, as I pointed out, is, or at least was, discouraged by the company. But now, they've come out with the plus+ which, according to their site, produces a max stretch equalling 4.8KG (about 10.5 lbs). Seems to me that they now feel stronger stretching is perhaps more effective?

2) If the PhalloGenetics can be used for long periods or, in the case of the Plus + (at 10 lbs), then why couldn't you rig up the Phallosan to hang 10 lbs for long periods? What's the difference? The amount of "pull" is the same either way. I've rigged mine up to hang 10 lbs for a full hour with no problems. I understand Red's point that you should only hang heavy weights for short (20 minute) sets, but that is using a clamp-type hanger. The reason being circulation problems. This, supposedly, is not an issue with the Phallosan or Phallogenetics or Plus + or whatever. Since circulation is safely maintained, why could you not use the Phallosan as a hanger with, say, 10 lbs for long periods? Or, just to be on the safe side, why not 2 or 3 sets of an hour each? THEN, follow up with the Phallosan at lower pressure during the day and maybe even less if you choose to sleep with it on? I hope I'm clear on this. On a side note, back in the day, I've hung upwards of 20+ pounds, but I feel doing so is risky and can result in injury. So, my New Year's plan is to use the Phallosan as a hanger with maybe 10 lbs (which is the max of the Plus + anyway) for 1-3 hours in the morning, then wear the phallosan during the day in the yellow or even red zone to keep elongated after the heavier weights. Then, at night, drop to the green zone and hit the hay. Do I want to hang the heavier weights every day? Not sure. Maybe every 2nd day. Perhaps you guys have some feedback in this regard. Ok, I think I've covered pretty much everything, except to say I am avoiding all girth work during this experiment, which I hope to adhere to for 6-8 months. There are only so many hours in a day and besides, last year after a couple months of heavy girth work, I got major discoloration on my penis and despite no girth work in over a year, it has not disappeared. I suspect it's permanent.

I welcome your comments and suggestions, and want to wish you both a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year!

Cheers
Fillerup
 
You have a lot of experience my brother and I kind of feel like you’re teaching me LOL but I get where you’re coming from. It’s a half dozen one and six of the other, it doesn’t really make a difference. So if you’re able to get 10 pounds out of your Phallosan then there’s no need for the PhalloGenetics. The new improvements making it able to handle 10 pounds makes no sense to purchase if you are able to rig your system to do the same.

I’m really looking forward to this six months journey and I hope all this research and work pans out to be some serious gains and some wonderful help for other people.
 
You have a lot of experience my brother and I kind of feel like you’re teaching me LOL but I get where you’re coming from. It’s a half dozen one and six of the other, it doesn’t really make a difference. So if you’re able to get 10 pounds out of your Phallosan then there’s no need for the PhalloGenetics. The new improvements making it able to handle 10 pounds makes no sense to purchase if you are able to rig your system to do the same.

I’m really looking forward to this six months journey and I hope all this research and work pans out to be some serious gains and some wonderful help for other people.
Yes, I do have a lot of experience, but I still manage to find ways to screw up LOL. Today is a great example. As I mentioned, I've learned to hang 10 lbs from the PF with no problems, for hour-long sets. I took a week off at Christmas and got back to work New Year's day. In the morning, I hung 7.5 lbs for 2 45-minute sets. No problem. Then spent a good 10 hours in the PF with the belt. This morning, I again hung 7.5 lbs for a single 1-hour set, as I had time constraints. I disengaged the PF from the weights and pulled off the sleeve only to discover I had 2 MASSIVE blisters!!!! One is the size of a dime and the other a little smaller. All in all, looks like my glans had a sledge hammer dropped on it. WTF? I have no idea what I did wrong. Same procedure, no pain during the hang session etc. Regardless, looks like I'm out of the game for at least a week or so. I just wish I know what I did wrong. Granted, I did not use the protective sleeve, but I rarely do and have hung 10 lbs repeatedly without it and no difficulties. Maybe you or someone else has some way to protect the glans while under vacuum. Even if I use the protective sleeve, I've found that after a hang session, the sleeve is already halfway off anyway. So for the most part, I don't use it. Do you have any suggestions? I'm back to the drawing board, with another delay. Damn!

Fillerup
 
Yes, I do have a lot of experience, but I still manage to find ways to screw up LOL. Today is a great example. As I mentioned, I've learned to hang 10 lbs from the PF with no problems, for hour-long sets. I took a week off at Christmas and got back to work New Year's day. In the morning, I hung 7.5 lbs for 2 45-minute sets. No problem. Then spent a good 10 hours in the PF with the belt. This morning, I again hung 7.5 lbs for a single 1-hour set, as I had time constraints. I disengaged the PF from the weights and pulled off the sleeve only to discover I had 2 MASSIVE blisters!!!! One is the size of a dime and the other a little smaller. All in all, looks like my glans had a sledge hammer dropped on it. WTF? I have no idea what I did wrong. Same procedure, no pain during the hang session etc. Regardless, looks like I'm out of the game for at least a week or so. I just wish I know what I did wrong. Granted, I did not use the protective sleeve, but I rarely do and have hung 10 lbs repeatedly without it and no difficulties. Maybe you or someone else has some way to protect the glans while under vacuum. Even if I use the protective sleeve, I've found that after a hang session, the sleeve is already halfway off anyway. So for the most part, I don't use it. Do you have any suggestions? I'm back to the drawing board, with another delay. Damn!

Fillerup

Time off already, damn I feel for your brother. It’s hard to determine why it happened it could be a number of things from the sleeves slipping through too much pressure being put in the wrong place, you know there’s many variables that can cause these things. I’d be preaching to the choir. Are you using your own sleeves or have you tried our new sleeves yet? The new sleeves were using people are having incredible success with and you may want to try them out see if this helps with the blister issue. I know you say you go out without a sleeve sometimes and things don’t usually go wrong but I would just do it anyways just in case.
 
Time off already, damn I feel for your brother. It’s hard to determine why it happened it could be a number of things from the sleeves slipping through too much pressure being put in the wrong place, you know there’s many variables that can cause these things. I’d be preaching to the choir. Are you using your own sleeves or have you tried our new sleeves yet? The new sleeves were using people are having incredible success with and you may want to try them out see if this helps with the blister issue. I know you say you go out without a sleeve sometimes and things don’t usually go wrong but I would just do it anyways just in case.
I went a month and a half before Christmas hanging and using the PF 12 or more hours a day, mostly without a sleeve, and with no issues. When I did use a sleeve, it was with the ones that came with the PF, and also one I got with a cheap Vac hanger I bought off of Ebay. They look very similar so I don't know what the difference would be. What happened this time is beyond me. I simply don't know what I did wrong. But I can tell you this: My estimate of being out of PE for a week or so needs to be revamped. I would now say minimum of a month. probably more. These blisters are HUGE and grotesque, and in 2 days have not even begun to shrink. The size of marbles. I could post a photo, but I don't want to freak anybody out. But I'll say this: I've had blisters before over the years, and these are by far the worst. Man, sometimes I really feel like throwing in the towel. Have a big PE equipment garage sale and surrender. You know your bible, right? "I've fought the good fight." Paul the apostle I believe.
 
Sorry, Red, I didn't see the cap, as it was hidden by a commercial. My bad.

These caps are going to help big-time and we’re actually going to be adding additional sleeves in the future. These work for every wrapping application, they are the most awesome sleeves ever!
 
Hey brothers, been pretty on and off with pe for awhile, haven't really had too much time for it. But now I'm starting to become a little more consistent with it over the last 2 weeks (haven't posted on my new progress thread in the last 2 weeks, but I'm keeping everything logged in a journal).

Anyways... I have been trying to find the phallogenetics thread for awhile now and I can't find it anywhere. Can someone either post the link to it down below, or post a tutorial on how to make it with pictures?

Thanks bros!!

Longest time Brother. I remember you from way back. I'm sure you have gotten this sorted as the Phallogenetics has been placed in the back burner by new devices like the Silistretcher and other ADS style extenders.
 
Longest time Brother. I remember you from way back. I'm sure you have gotten this sorted as the Phallogenetics has been placed in the back burner by new devices like the Silistretcher and other ADS style extenders.

The SiliStretcher changed all that
 
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