For the one's with dating and seduction programs experience.

Hi fellows how's everyone, thus far i've been checking the different seduction masters, and i really like david deangelo stuff a whole lot, my question is he has a lot of stuff, i mean a LOT, what do you think are his "must have" from a begginer point of view what we call fundamentals and what other products do you recomend after the begginer stages.

Any help from those that have use or try his stuff will be kindly appreciated.

Double your dating is a great start

I heard this guy on the Adam Corolla show last week. If this dude can get women then anyone can get women. I like his style. Anytime I got a lot of action it was because my inner game was strong.

http://www.innergamemagazine.com/

I started out with Neil Strauss' "The Game". Good book. Not really for pick-up but just so you can realize whats possible and that there are dating communities on the internet.

David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating ebook and DVDs, Cocky Comedy DVD, and his Deep Inner Game are good starts and really helps you understand the mindset of where you need to be to get started. He's a little boring but very deep and full of "gold nuggets".

I recently stumbled across RSD's Foundations. I have Transformations, and the Blueprint Decoded and will be exploring those next. Their really good for inner game and getting outside of your head so you can approach and succeed.

Now the only thing I paid for was "The Game". Everything else I found for free through torrents. I'm on a semi-exclusive dating community and through that I'm able to get free torrents, but you can find other dating communities and even just do a search through a torrent tracker. I won't give out the name but try to find something similar. I've even donated money to it and participated in a group buy because its really an awesome site.

go with Vin DiCarlo's stuff (The Attraction Code is the most important). I liked him more than any crap from Mystery or Ross Jeffries (which might've been good, but it didn't fit my style)

As far as competence of outer social situations, I'd say Tyler Durden has it NAILED. I haven't seen any of his RSD stuff other than trailers, but from what I've seen and heard from David Deangelo's stuff, the guy has been through thousands of situations and it shows. David likens him to a "old battle-trained warrior", as he averages about four nights a week in which he goes out to work on social interactions.

Also, Tyler's AMOG Tactics paper (which is free, search the internet) that he posted on mASF is amazing. It's the dickest thing ever, but it really works. I've used it in the past before I ever read it, although I've had it done textbook to me. I ended up getting cockblocked from a guaranteed lay, and the other guy probably ended up going home with the girl and her "girlfriends." (Real girlfriends wouldn't let her pass up a great guy like me )

My own cocky humor aside, David Deangelo is really a great life coach. His material has helped me to transform my outlook of life, giving me a strong sense of inner power and true belief that I can do ANYTHING I want to, for real.

I wouldn't bother with taking Mystery seriously, and Ross Jeffries, I'm not sure if that stuff really works as well as they say, as well as not knowing how to correctly implement it "naturally" (without thinking) without coming off as manipulative, which has happened every time I tried any NLP commands in words, probably because I was thinking instead of just doing, but it's not my style anyway.

Mystery's attraction stages are spot on however. Anything that relies on canned material though is utter trash unless you're an absolute beginner. When I first became aware of this scene I started using Mystery's Method, mixed with my own routines, etc, and got good success at "attracting" women, although I never actually slept with any of them. MM will probably help you more if you're not good looking, not to be arrogant or anything. But if you're a good looking guy you can be in A3 (she qualifies to you, you send IOIs) immediately a lot of times I've noticed before you even say, "Hi." It's an accurate way to look at how sexual relationships start and proceed.

Never forget that it's integrating this stuff and making your own style that is what counts. Tyler talks of meeting so many people who try and hold themselves just like him. It took me a good year to figure this out. It's all about being yourself.

Something I found to day is called cavemanning. I think they said guys like David X, Mode 1, and Paul Jankas uses this. Its a very direct game. Baically you let your raw sexual energy guide you. I think if we could get into that zone we could be unstoppable. Especially at clubs, bars and parties. My goals in life as of right now are to get an 8x6.5 dick, compete in one natural amateur bodybuilding competition, and fuck one girl of every race. Especially asian hotties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aNTNdRMNLM&feature=related. Here's an example of how it works to be a caveman.

See the extreme kino, triangular gazing, the way he treated the situation with his "ex" girlfriend and how he immediately got the girl wanting to rip his clothes off.

longstretch;307858 said:

Something I found to day is called cavemanning. I think they said guys like David X, Mode 1, and Paul Jankas uses this. Its a very direct game. Baically you let your raw sexual energy guide you. I think if we could get into that zone we could be unstoppable. Especially at clubs, bars and parties. My goals in life as of right now are to get an 8x6.5 dick, compete in one natural amateur bodybuilding competition, and fuck one girl of every race. Especially asian hotties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aNTNdRMNLM&feature=related. Here's an example of how it works to be a caveman.

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That's pretty tight if it's real. With how Mystery's show was shown to be staged I'd be skeptical. These guys do have product to sell.

If that was all him, that's great. Keep in mind a good number of girls would slap the fuck out of you. I know guys who straight up ask, "Hey, look, we're both horny, we're both hot, let's get it over with and fuck." Nine times out of ten they'd get slapped, but it'd only take them ten minutes to find a girl who ended up leaving with them. Keep in mind these guys did NOT give a fuck about the social consequences of their actions. Word spreads around pretty fast that they are horndogs and players, which may help them out in terms of getting laid, but not necessarily pulling anything longer than one night stands. If you're cool with people knowing that's how you are, that's fine. Me personally, I'd rather not be known as that.

I'm tired so I might not be thinking straight, but I believe a well-known guy from mASF stated, "Women love it when guys are very sexual without saying it with words. (Calling out the sexual tension)" I'd say in my experience this is correct, although I haven't been nearly as ballsy/crazy as that guy was. I'd only try the "cavemanning" stuff where I didn't know many people or anyone and/or was out of town.

When I think of cavemanning I think of just plowing through mild resistance. That guy did it great. She put up several verbal hurdles (notice no physical hurdles, it means she wanted him) in which he totally just ignored and blew past with the attitude of "yeah she wants it." Great example nonetheless. Although I personally wouldn't be as blunt, but I'd have the same body language, with a slightly deeper tone of voice. His pitch raised a few times which is fine, but one does need to keep it under control, as when your pitch raises it's a sign that you're becoming nervous or worried about a situation.

Yeah I'm a bit skeptical as to if this was staged or not. But I still could see how this could work. Besides he's not that bad looking, I'm not that bad looking so I think direct game could especially work for good looking confident guys. He was a little too direct for my taste though but still had tight game.

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Yeah I'm a bit skeptical as to if this was staged or not. But I still could see how this could work. Besides he's not that bad looking, I'm not that bad looking so I think direct game could especially work for good looking confident guys. He was a little too direct for my taste though but still had tight game.

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Telling a hot girl like that, "You're one of the ugliest girls in the club" would probably get a pretty negative reaction. The whole girlfriend thing looks staged, too. Good proof-of-concept to show people though.

I think the girlfriend was a challenge in the show they had to overcome. So yes that was true. I don't know about the neg. He says it after kissing her cheek and hands while maintaining I will fuck you inside out look the whole time, so maybe she knew he was saying some BS.

On a side note I'm reading "The Way of The Superior Man" by David Deida which is an excellent book. I highly recommend it to anyone with testicles. It talks a lot about being congruent with yourself and on how a real man thinks and acts.

longstretch;307949 said:

I think the girlfriend was a challenge in the show they had to overcome. So yes that was true. I don't know about the neg. He says it after kissing her cheek and hands while maintaining I will fuck you inside out look the whole time, so maybe she knew he was saying some BS.

On a side note I'm reading "The Way of The Superior Man" by David Deida which is an excellent book. I highly recommend it to anyone with testicles. It talks a lot about being congruent with yourself and on how a real man thinks and acts.

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I thought the whole girlfriend thing actually helped him, as the girl probably thought (if it wasn't staged) that she was just jealous, as girls can be like that. If they would have recently broken up, she'd still be jealous he was getting with another girl, trying to cockblock him. She was attractive as well, which only helped to bolster his case.

The neg (actually more of an insult, a neg is supposed to be neutral) didn't help him out at all I believe. It was unneeded and could have been a hurdle he would have to overcome had she actually been LSE.

Thats all good baby just lets not beat up on the guys. I myself think that natural games is the best becuase it to your own style. And like I said MM has and does work if you have confidence.

Seduction is manipulation. Its all inner game well 80%. Anyway like you said its just training wheels into you have your own style. And routines are good trust, like the one where you tell the girl dont get any ideas my moms at home. And your both back at your place she says wheres your mom you point to a teddy bear thats says mom on the tshirt.

trech;312479 said:

Thats all good baby just lets not beat up on the guys. I myself think that natural games is the best becuase it to your own style. And like I said MM has and does work if you have confidence.

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IDK Mystery seems to think that all there is to life is replication. Natural is definitely the way to go plus you don't look nerdy or wierd by the way you dress or have to remember whole dialogues by yourself. I do believe in peacocking but not so extreme as Mystery. Check out Brad P's "Fashion Bible" for an intro to fashion. Thats something I needed big time.

And your right. I'm glad I started off on the right track w/ inner game. Its very important. If I was just as shy and angry as I was this time a year ago not only would I not be getting laid but I wouldn't even like myself really.

Direct and natural are the way to go. As far as instructors I think whats made the difference for me is David D and RSD for inner game and fundamentals. Juggler and Mode One for direct.

longstretch;326970 said:

IDK Mystery seems to think that all there is to life is replication. Natural is definitely the way to go plus you don't look nerdy or wierd by the way you dress or have to remember whole dialogues by yourself. I do believe in peacocking but not so extreme as Mystery. Check out Brad P's "Fashion Bible" for an intro to fashion. Thats something I needed big time.

And your right. I'm glad I started off on the right track w/ inner game. Its very important. If I was just as shy and angry as I was this time a year ago not only would I not be getting laid but I wouldn't even like myself really.

Direct and natural are the way to go. As far as instructors I think whats made the difference for me is David D and RSD for inner game and fundamentals. Juggler and Mode One for direct.

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This is great because you have noticed a change in your behavior for the better. Also you uderstand what style of approach works for you. Now I might be different Im just saying. I could be the kind of guy that excells in indirect approach, and feels comfortable doing just that. But that doesnt mean I should not still push myself to go direct. I mean you should know if something is just not right for you. I will again go back to MM for me its training whells, but the shit still does work if you are like I say are confident and align with what you are doing. Its really all about you having fun feeling good, and being happy you are alive. Sean said to look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself I love you five times, and then look yourself in your left eye asking yourself really five times, and not to worry what you look like because you love who you are.

Hardcore direct takes lots of balls (Hardcore Mode One). I've been experimenting a little with it like longstretch, but I've found I need to wait at least a few minutes before telling a chick I want to hook up with her. I don't have the internals down like Alan Roger Currie does, I'm sure. He said it took him a few years of practice to finally have everything down, and I can see why.

Yeah I think I'm more of a Mode Two (I think its been a while since I read it). I can be direct but some of the things he says are like DDDAAAAAMMMMNNN! It can be very effective when mastered though. I still can see girls, who aren't really manipulative, being turned off by this but time will tell. The more I do this the more confidence I generate. I can definitely see it taken a couple of years. He has to disarm more objections in one night than most guys do their whole life.

Trech how do you know of Sean? I know he was with PU101 but he seems more low-key down to earth. I could be wrong but I just thought he wasn't well known. Its good to know he is.

10inchadvantage;307908 said:

That's pretty tight if it's real. With how Mystery's show was shown to be staged I'd be skeptical. These guys do have product to sell.

If that was all him, that's great. Keep in mind a good number of girls would slap the fuck out of you. I know guys who straight up ask, "Hey, look, we're both horny, we're both hot, let's get it over with and fuck." Nine times out of ten they'd get slapped, but it'd only take them ten minutes to find a girl who ended up leaving with them. Keep in mind these guys did NOT give a fuck about the social consequences of their actions. Word spreads around pretty fast that they are horndogs and players, which may help them out in terms of getting laid, but not necessarily pulling anything longer than one night stands. If you're cool with people knowing that's how you are, that's fine. Me personally, I'd rather not be known as that.

I'm tired so I might not be thinking straight, but I believe a well-known guy from mASF stated, "Women love it when guys are very sexual without saying it with words. (Calling out the sexual tension)" I'd say in my experience this is correct, although I haven't been nearly as ballsy/crazy as that guy was. I'd only try the "cavemanning" stuff where I didn't know many people or anyone and/or was out of town.

When I think of cavemanning I think of just plowing through mild resistance. That guy did it great. She put up several verbal hurdles (notice no physical hurdles, it means she wanted him) in which he totally just ignored and blew past with the attitude of "yeah she wants it." Great example nonetheless. Although I personally wouldn't be as blunt, but I'd have the same body language, with a slightly deeper tone of voice. His pitch raised a few times which is fine, but one does need to keep it under control, as when your pitch raises it's a sign that you're becoming nervous or worried about a situation.

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NO ONE LISTEN TO ANYTHING IN THIS POST ABOVE -------^

It's bullshit speculation. After reading Alan Roger Currie's Mode One books (bought the second one) my life has changed drastically. I am proud to say that I live my life in the Mode One way. My success with women has skyrocketed, in the past two and a half months I have known of this and implemented it, I have slept with FOUR HOT WOMEN! (one was actually going to the Playboy Mansion to work there for a while, the hottest black girl I've ever seen in real life).

It's so nice, no routines, no lies, no games. I can tell if a woman likes me and all that jazz just by looking deeply in her eyes. After a few minutes of talking with them and things are going well I ask them what they're looking for. Then they'll ask me what I'm looking for, and I'll tell them, "I'm looking to have casual sex, not looking for a relationship right now." Many times they were put up the Wholesome Pretender defense because of how society makes them think about sex. However, you can defeat this by being honest that you don't judge them and that you realize girls are hornier than guys and should be able to fuck however many guys they want whenever.

The "swagger" you get from truly being Mode One is unbreakable. If you're scared of getting harshly criticized by women, like I was and many men are, this will help you develop HUGE BALLS. Seriously, you'll be amazed once you learn to let your ego go and just focus on your approach, not on getting any response from them. You'll go from a guy who maybe banged a few girls a year while trying hard to fuck more, to being a guy who can meet a girl and take her home after an hour of meeting her, when she would normally never do that with most other guys (keyword is most).

IMPORTANT: Mode One is not a method at all. It's an attitude, a way of being honest and direct with people with no malice. Read it!