blackice said:
biggym7 what about andro products that you can buy at GNC. Are those products not worth taking either?
Anything that can be bought over the counter in a health food shop such as GNC is as safe as it gets. The andro products are relatively safe and I think that a lot of the potent ones have been taken off the shelves over the years. The guide I always use is if the IOC(International Olympic Comittee) havent banned it it is probably quite safe however its effectiveness is something you must try out yourself. Hope this is of some help as the IOC contrary to popular belief don't normally ban something unless they have a good reason.
 
bigjim7 said:
You only have to google "steroid research" and you will get a host of research listing the potentially fatal side effects such as heart attacks, irreversible damage to the liver and kidneys, raised cholesteral levels and many more. I think that there is a real gym culture that denies the problems it is pure denial, some guy tells another something and then it gets passed around as gospel.
That's so much crap... everything we put in our bodies have side effect. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't consume them. Do research on Asperin (and other NSAIDs)... look at the sides and they are no different than most oral steroids but we go and pop them for every ache and pain like they're candy. Just because something has potential side effects doesn't mean that those effects will manifest themselves everytime you take them. It means that there is a possibility that they MAY manifest themselves and that you should carefully monitor yourself for the possible sides.

I just think that while a lot of bodybuilders are very knowledgeable about there subject a lot are also in denial about the dangers of steroid abuse. I've had too many friends turn in to arrogant pricks the way they act and even the way they walk changes just because they stick a needle up there arse...
Most bodybuilders that i know and take steroids know the risks and make a concious choice to take them anyway. Who the hell are you or anyone else to say otherwise... it's their body and if they fuck it up, too bad for them. As for your friends that become arrogant after taking steroids... they're just jerks and prolly was before they took steroids.
 
bigjim7 said:
Anything that can be bought over the counter in a health food shop such as GNC is as safe as it gets. The andro products are relatively safe and I think that a lot of the potent ones have been taken off the shelves over the years. The guide I always use is if the IOC(International Olympic Comittee) havent banned it it is probably quite safe however its effectiveness is something you must try out yourself. Hope this is of some help as the IOC contrary to popular belief don't normally ban something unless they have a good reason.
Your statement above clearly shows your ignorance regarding hormones and supplements. There are still plenty of andro supplements that are OTC and are as bad, if not worse, for you liver than most oral steroids. You really shouldn't be giving advice on things you know nothing about...
 
Painful Pleasur said:
I haven't come to a final decision on what I want to use yet.

I want to do test enanthate 500mg/ masteron enanthate 300mg weekly with superdrol as a kickstarter. Dbol isn't very dry and causes a lot of bloat. masteron is anti-estrogenic so I figured it would help combat sides of the test and i heard they both enhance each other's effects. Superdrol is very dry compared to Dbol. A vet told me it was a good idea to use superdrol instead of dbol. I hangout on steroidsuperboard.com, bb.com, anabolicminds.
either 10 or 12 weeks, a little worried about shut down on 12 weeks also most people sell amp by 10ml and 20ml at 250mg/ml of test enanthate so i really dont wanna be suckered in buying an extra 10ml for the other 2 weeks:s

everyone says to use deca but masteron rates about the same on the ranking charts.
I'm a member of those bodybuilding boards also... why are you asking about sources here?? SSB is an open source board. Also, with your stats if you asked about starting a cycle on AM or BB.com you'd get flamed, your thread locked, and possibly banned because you're too young and haven't done much research and open source posts are bad from a legality perspective and puts the board under possible scrutinity from LE.
 
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sikdogg said:
Your statement above clearly shows your ignorance regarding hormones and supplements. There are still plenty of andro supplements that are OTC and are as bad, if not worse, for you liver than most oral steroids. You really shouldn't be giving advice on things you know nothing about...
That may be the case in America which is why I said check that they are not on the IOC banned list, there knowledge and research far exceeds yours or mine on the subject and is the best guideline to go by. I can see that this is a touchy subject for some people. SWM is the only one who has even tried to provide me a good reason for taking steroids and I know it is tempting to go for the short cut but all I am saying is there are VERY SIGNIFICANT RISKS and I think a lot of you are fooling yourselves about the belief that you can minimise those risks. Remember bodybuilding is a sport based on vanity and while I admire the commitment and dedication of many of its participants too many people develop a mental addiction to it that takes over there lives. You can achieve your goals without them but you go your way and time will tell who is right.
 
look bro, dont even talk to me about how bad steroids are, i've researched them for a long time, steroids are safe if you use them properly. go some where else and tell someone who cares. because apparently your friends are idiots who didn't know what they were doing.
 
sikdogg said:
My bad... i didn't realize you weren't from the US.
No problems bro don't want to sound like I am having a pop at you or anyone who does steroids I just think the cons far outweigh the pros. But that is only my point of view and if yours differs that is fair enough. You obviously sound like you know your shit and I sincerely hope you do never experience any health problems. I also realise there is a world of difference from someone like you who educates themself on the subject and someone who fills the syringe up every time and jabs away because he thinks more is better. I just think that you can build a great physique without them and without the risks but as I said that is only my point of view. Just out of interest can you still by ephedrin OTC your side of the pond cause I was surprised that you could when I was in Canada in '95, I only ask because it was taken off the shelves in the early eighties here although it is still widely used and sold illegally in gyms.
 
ej86923 said:
http://www.anabolicshop.net/catalog/

Have ordered from them about 3 times. Never had any probs, other than long ship time Approx 3-4 weeks, everything is real and legit. Informative sight anyway with profiles of drugs n such. Hope it helps, btw Hi everyone I'm new here :)

Oh Boy!!!! Give me some of that over priced shit all day long rofl
Especially since it referenced from [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] esteemed first time poster:s

How 'bout I just give you my credit card number and you can charge up what ever you want on it?????
 
ej86923 said:
http://www.anabolicshop.net/catalog/

Have ordered from them about 3 times. Never had any probs, other than long ship time Approx 3-4 weeks, everything is real and legit. Informative sight anyway with profiles of drugs n such. Hope it helps, btw Hi everyone I'm new here :)

Lots of british dragon gear there,yet that site isn't listed in the british dragon authorized supplier database.

The term SCAMMER comes to mind>:(
 
Painful Pleasur said:
lol i got my source thank you. end thread. delete.

Did you find an 'undocumented worker' needing help getting papers or what? (Politically correct term for ILLEGAL F'N IMMIGRANT)
 
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