talking to girls about My Dingaling

[whtballa18]

I've been talking to this girl and trying to convince her to leave her boyfriend for me

All guys do it... don't lie

So I sent her some pics of my dick, the same that are in the Pic proof sec

And I say "Is this bigger than your boyfriend's?"
She says "No"
I say "Really, how much bigger is he."
She says "A little longer, a little wider"
So I sent her a pic that shows girth bigger
I ask "Have you ever measured him, I am 7"
Remember she said only "a little longer"
She says "Yeah he's 8 1/2"
But she said "Wideness" is about the same

Well anyway so much for "only a little longer"
So i guess I was a little insecure and i said something stupid like "that sucks cuz i'll never be able to satisfy you as well"
and she said "yeah well you have nicer eyes than he does, and i've known you longer, and you were my pen pal"

so i guess girls don't really care that much for dick size, and i am still flirting with her

so i just got a LOT more motivation to get 8 1/2 " or beyond !!!

 

[Godsize]

I guess you shouldn't ask questions that you really don't want the answers to.

As a side note, it seems like 8.5" dicks are so common since every girl seems to have had one in her life.

Discussing present or past boyfriend's dick sizes is definitely NOT a debate I'd want to initiate with ANY girl I'm trying to fuck. Why? Maybe I'm just negative, but I already KNOW I'm not the biggest she's had.... why remind her of that fact, ya know?

 

[REDZULU2003]

that sounds good...go for it size aint everything.
Ya caring to her and please her its better than any 12 inch cock...I know I have been their.

goodluck and tell us how it all works out.

 

[ItsElectric]

You're going to have to win her over, not by dick size because she'll lie. Of course she MAY not be lying about his size, but that's unlikely. Every woman seems to have a had a "gigantic dick" by the way they talk about it. Of course don't forget that they're known to blow everything out of proportion.

-ItsElectric

 

[PirateSteve]

Look, if there are all these guys with 8" plus dicks out there, how come I never see them at swing parties or clubs? I have never seen one longer than 8" in person. A number of girls have told me I am the biggest they have had, and I am about 7x6 nbp. I believe it because of my experiences in the swinger lifestyle. Hell, I got most of these comments back at 6 nbp too.

I have heard girls talking about how big so-and-so is, but invariably when I meet him at a party, he is nowhere near that. I don't care what the surveys say, most of the erect penises I have seen at these parties are in the 5x4.5 range, with a lot more smaller than that than bigger. Listen up, girls don't know shit about measuring by eye. They were not socialized for it, and they don't have the skill. Never take a girls word on someone else's penis size, they are always wrong.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

OK, where should I start?

1. No, I have never tried to steal another guy's girlfriend. I have had girls try to leave their boyfriend or cheat on them with me. I rebuff them. I am not going to get into a philosophical discussion on this as I do all the time, and it is no use. Most of the world is depressingly morally and ethically bankrupt and going down the shitter. Whats really shitty is all the guys who complain about their girlfriends being whores or leaving them, yet the same guys have no scruples when it comes to how they treat girls or their relationships. Honestly I just think it is highly immature to try to steal a girls boyfriend by sending her pics of your dick. Most girls would probably stop talkingto you or think you are a psycho if you send them nude pics. that is creepy.

ps. There are a lot of really cool guys in the Penis Enlargement world though. Im not putting down people by any means. I blame general immaturity as well as possibly the education system if anything else.

2. As far as how many girls have had or seen 8"? I think its not that rare, but its a lot more common than 9 or 10" I tend to agree a lot with Pirate Steve's view on this one.

As far as my own experience. I had a girlfriend for over 3 years and I was 8" during that time. ALL her friends thought that was huge, and I know they were embarassed to talk to me because they could only think about my dick when they were around me. All the girls discussed this openly, and none of the other girls ( I'm taking like her core group of good firends like 5 or 6 other girls) had seen an 8". These girls were all probably of average sexual experience. By that I mean they were not virgins, but not sluts either. Basically having a handful of sexual partners in normal relationships, with a meaningless hookup or blow job or two thrown . probably lost virginity to a long time boyfriend in high school. You know, the average female in her mid 20s. Well from what they described, they considered about 6" good, 7" really nice, and 8" huge.

The reality is IMO, not that most girls have had an 8+incher. Though I'm sure its quite a few. Its more that you can never really know. I mean a girl with 20 sex partners could have never had more than 7" while another girl could have only had sex with one guy,who happened to have a 9" monster. You never know.

 

[stillwantmore]

I agree with what the other guys have said so far about women judging size. Most likely this girl is messing with your head.

I dont care what's going on...it's pretty damn low to try and steal another man's woman...sending her your dick pics and shit like that. It's your business and all about what you do, but be glad as hell it's not MY girlfriend. If I found out...I'd come after both of you and make it look like I lost my mind in a moment of "temporary insanity".

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by stillwantmore
I agree with what the other guys have said so far about women judging size. Most likely this girl is messing with your head.

I dont care what's going on...it's pretty damn low to try and steal another man's woman...sending her your dick pics and shit like that. It's your business and all about what you do, but be glad as hell it's not MY girlfriend. If I found out...I'd come after both of you and make it look like I lost my mind in a moment of "temporary insanity".

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[TheExecutioner]

Yo man, good luck with her anyways she blatently dont know her measurements, girls are shite at mesuring with the eye thats a fact as someone else stated.

 

[whtballa18]

LOL - bigbutnottoo + SWM

thanks for your moral lectures, but you must have both misunderstood me, and i wasn't asking for advice or criticism

I said I was trying to convince her to leave her boyfriend to me - I should have said that she is CONSIDERING leaving her boyfriend for me... without much of my persuasion in fact.

and I'm "not just sending dick pics to her over the internet" like that, I've known this girl for years, before she ever met this guy, and she ASKED me for the pics.

I do agree that girls can't tell size for shit, but she told me she measured him herself... and she isn't the type to lie, so I do believe her.

It doesn't discourage me at all to flirt with a girl just because she has a boyfriend, especially if I don't know him. If he was a friend of mine, then it would be quite different.

People flirt with my girlfriend all the time, and YES it does piss me off as well... if I knew my girl was talking to a guy like that, but you know what comes around goes around.

 

[seven_wants_ten]

Originally posted by whtballa18
I do agree that girls can't tell size for shit, but she told me she measured him herself... and she isn't the type to lie, so I do believe her.

She could very well have measured him...but how did she measure him? From what I've seen most girls (and guys) tend to measure along the side rather than the top. For me, measuring long the side adds over an inch in length (no doubt why guys like to measure that way). I doubt a girl would measure bone-pressed though, it just doesn't make much sense to do that.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Originally posted by whtballa18


People flirt with my girlfriend all the time, and YES it does piss me off as well... if I knew my girl was talking to a guy like that, but you know what comes around goes around.

Oh Ok, i get it. So you not only want a girl to leave her boyfriend for you,but you also already have a girlfriend?

well as requested, no more moral lectures.

 

[TimBo755]

but you know what comes around goes around.

i like to let things like that work themselves out by themselves though, not by justifying myself..


also, if it was a friend of mine's girlfriend, i don't think i would ever do something like that...even if shes hot or he doesn't treat her right..


someone you don't know? im not even sure about that..more like someone i hated maybe.

 

[Godsize]

bigbutnottoo -

Welcome to the future. I've been brainwashed into thinking that there should be some kind of morality to this society too, but what is morality anyway? What is it for?

I see younger people speaking and behaving in ways that disgust me like it never did before, but lately I've been thinking, "Why am I disgusted?" I want to just let it roll off my back and not be bothered with which way the world is going. We all know where it's going: Nowhere. Nothing is sacred anymore... but was it ever?

It's like I always expect the worst from people and they never let me down. I'm starting to wonder if I should even bother believing in a "right" or "wrong" anymore. Yet my deeply imbedded brainwashed morality hang ups are still there... still imbedded. I can't just give it up. If I could truly just let it all go, I'd be free.

Holding onto my morality will just perpetuate my own feelings of hopelessness. If 15 year old girls getting "trains run" on them is the latest trend, should I care? It's too much wasted energy. People are devolving. Society is collapsing just like any other decadent society that came before it. Live and let die, I guess.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Godsize,

You summed up a lot of my thoughtsand feelings. All of my problems come from trying to be sane in an insane world ( when of course the sane ones are labeled "insane" for not conforming to the depravity).

I think I lost my savior complex ( Yes, I had one) long ago.

What it comes down to is:

The World is going down the drain, but we don't have to go with it. I will never accept the Devolution.

 

[Texan]

I can speak from personal experience when I say that asking a girl about past partners' penis sizes is THE worst thing you can do to yourself (unless you are DLD). Especially if the girl means more to you than just a fuck. Be sure you can handle the truth, because most girls don't know/care how fragile the male psyche is about their cock size. It's like I was telling a really close female friend of mine the other night...girls have media pressure to look good, but guys have the pressure that if you aren't big enough you can't satisfy your woman. I personally don't give a shit that I don't look like Brad Pitt, but the thought of not being able to satisfy a woman crushes me. I will have to unload my whole story on you guys sometime. Anyway...I have a law school final in 2.5 hrs....wish me luck.

 

[Godsize]

Just what the world needs.... another lawyer.

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

dudes, what do you mean the world is going down the drain? you ever read any history? i never understand that statement.

i have this suspicion it's an attitude people like to adopt in order to lend gravity to their opinions, or something, i don't know, but it doesn't make any sense to me. how would you prefer society be? in what ways are we going down the drain? of course things aren't perfect, but they're never going to either. frankly i see infinate potential and as far as moral standards relaxing around here, about fucking time.

i couldn't be more happy that MTV and the internet are helping to flush out the draconian puritanical moralizing and repression that we've been stuck with since the first settlers touched down. it took us a few centuries but it's happening, heck, it's even legal for people to be gay in some states now - rome here we come! i'm not accusing anybody of being anti-gay, just pointing out that a lot of things happening are for the better. sorry, that detached "what is wrong with this world" attitude gets me every time, i find it kind of arrogant in that it suggests anybod knows what a proper world looks like.

 

[Texan]

Originally posted by Godsize
Just what the world needs.... another lawyer.

Yeah, lol. Hopefully, thanks to Penis Enlargement, in the future I'll be a big dick in more than way than one

On an unrelated note: Here's to the Steve Miller Band b/with rum & Coke... almost enough to make the bullshit bearable.

 

[bobbdobbs]

Here's an idea. The next time a chick wants to talk about your penis size, insist that she do it with it in her mouth. Then it'll feel good and you really won't be able to understand what she says anyhow.

 

[samzman]

Originally posted by doublelongdaddy
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they would NEVER find the body

 

[samzman]

i was one of those dumb bastads that asked my girl what her exe's size was. she said that he was small.......thank god lol. i guess that i'm one of the lucky few

 

[Godsize]

"I couldn't be more happy that MTV and the internet are helping to flush out the draconian puritanical moralizing and repression that we've been stuck with since the first settlers touched down."

In one light, you're right....but let's not give credit to MTV please. They are one of the biggest peddlers of mediocrity in America, and the in the world today.

Having "draconian puritanical moralizing" first, then it becoming more relaxed is much different than never having had those hang-ups to begin with.

Since it's all "loosening up" now, it's not becoming how it should be...it's more of a perversion of how it should be. It's having freedom without any knowledge of self to begin with. Kids are freer to express sexuality, but they have no knowledge of self or maturity to even handle it correctly, or to even know what they're talking about, or what they're doing.

Ignorance is IN. It's not hip to be smart anymore. It's "cool" to be "street" or "urban"...which just means fucking ghetto and not too bright. Intelligence is seen as weakness. You gotta be a knucklehead these days to fit. It's like people watched "Fight Club", but took it literally instead of thinking about it, and just begun smashing each other in the face without really knowing why.

People hold the info found on the web in higher regard than the info and facts found in books. Like, the internet is full of more lies than TV, but at least there is hope on the web.... it is the last outlet of free speech left in the world. But shit you read and find on the web is even easier to alter and make untrue.

I'm sure every generation thought that theirs was gonna be the last and that the world is going to hell and all that... but there wasn't as much technology then. Nowadays, I think it's worse...or maybe it just seems worse because I'm living in this time frame. But I've seen kids today...they are dumber than I was when I was their age. I didn't have so much bullshit when I was a kid. I didn't have a fucking cellphone, or a computer, there was no internet etc... I wasn't jaded by adult entertainment at 12 like these kids are nowadays. Shit, if I had the kind of exposure to adult entertainment when I was kid like these kids have today...I'd be SO jaded now. More than I already am.

Like, I think society is running out of directions to go to. There's nothing new left anymore. No one has a new idea anymore...and kids are being brought up without ANY imagination at ALL.

See where it's headed? It's not going to be a free, shameless utopia...it'll be a perversion of what we think is freedom, but it'll just be another form of SLAVERY.

 

[Texan]

Originally posted by Godsize
"I couldn't be more happy that MTV and the internet are helping to flush out the draconian puritanical moralizing and repression that we've been stuck with since the first settlers touched down."

In one light, you're right....but let's not give credit to MTV please. They are one of the biggest peddlers of mediocrity in America, and the in the world today.

Having "draconian puritanical moralizing" first, then it becoming more relaxed is much different than never having had those hang-ups to begin with.

Since it's all "loosening up" now, it's not becoming how it should be...it's more of a perversion of how it should be. It's having freedom without any knowledge of self to begin with. Kids are freer to express sexuality, but they have no knowledge of self or maturity to even handle it correctly, or to even know what they're talking about, or what they're doing.

Ignorance is IN. It's not hip to be smart anymore. It's "cool" to be "street" or "urban"...which just means fucking ghetto and not too bright. Intelligence is seen as weakness. You gotta be a knucklehead these days to fit. It's like people watched "Fight Club", but took it literally instead of thinking about it, and just begun smashing each other in the face without really knowing why.

People hold the info found on the web in higher regard than the info and facts found in books. Like, the internet is full of more lies than TV, but at least there is hope on the web.... it is the last outlet of free speech left in the world. But shit you read and find on the web is even easier to alter and make untrue.

I'm sure every generation thought that theirs was gonna be the last and that the world is going to hell and all that... but there wasn't as much technology then. Nowadays, I think it's worse...or maybe it just seems worse because I'm living in this time frame. But I've seen kids today...they are dumber than I was when I was their age. I didn't have so much bullshit when I was a kid. I didn't have a fucking cellphone, or a computer, there was no internet etc... I wasn't jaded by adult entertainment at 12 like these kids are nowadays. Shit, if I had the kind of exposure to adult entertainment when I was kid like these kids have today...I'd be SO jaded now. More than I already am.

Like, I think society is running out of directions to go to. There's nothing new left anymore. No one has a new idea anymore...and kids are being brought up without ANY imagination at ALL.

See where it's headed? It's not going to be a free, shameless utopia...it'll be a perversion of what we think is freedom, but it'll just be another form of SLAVERY.

I concur

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Originally posted by Godsize
"I couldn't be more happy that MTV and the internet are helping to flush out the draconian puritanical moralizing and repression that we've been stuck with since the first settlers touched down."

In one light, you're right....but let's not give credit to MTV please. They are one of the biggest peddlers of mediocrity in America, and the in the world today.

Having "draconian puritanical moralizing" first, then it becoming more relaxed is much different than never having had those hang-ups to begin with.

Since it's all "loosening up" now, it's not becoming how it should be...it's more of a perversion of how it should be. It's having freedom without any knowledge of self to begin with. Kids are freer to express sexuality, but they have no knowledge of self or maturity to even handle it correctly, or to even know what they're talking about, or what they're doing.

Ignorance is IN. It's not hip to be smart anymore. It's "cool" to be "street" or "urban"...which just means fucking ghetto and not too bright. Intelligence is seen as weakness. You gotta be a knucklehead these days to fit. It's like people watched "Fight Club", but took it literally instead of thinking about it, and just begun smashing each other in the face without really knowing why.

People hold the info found on the web in higher regard than the info and facts found in books. Like, the internet is full of more lies than TV, but at least there is hope on the web.... it is the last outlet of free speech left in the world. But shit you read and find on the web is even easier to alter and make untrue.

I'm sure every generation thought that theirs was gonna be the last and that the world is going to hell and all that... but there wasn't as much technology then. Nowadays, I think it's worse...or maybe it just seems worse because I'm living in this time frame. But I've seen kids today...they are dumber than I was when I was their age. I didn't have so much bullshit when I was a kid. I didn't have a fucking cellphone, or a computer, there was no internet etc... I wasn't jaded by adult entertainment at 12 like these kids are nowadays. Shit, if I had the kind of exposure to adult entertainment when I was kid like these kids have today...I'd be SO jaded now. More than I already am.

Like, I think society is running out of directions to go to. There's nothing new left anymore. No one has a new idea anymore...and kids are being brought up without ANY imagination at ALL.

See where it's headed? It's not going to be a free, shameless utopia...it'll be a perversion of what we think is freedom, but it'll just be another form of SLAVERY.

Probably the best post I have ever read.

 

[bigbutnottoo]

Originally posted by goodbutnotgreat
dudes, what do you mean the world is going down the drain? you ever read any history? i never understand that statement.

i have this suspicion it's an attitude people like to adopt in order to lend gravity to their opinions, or something, i don't know, but it doesn't make any sense to me. how would you prefer society be? in what ways are we going down the drain? of course things aren't perfect, but they're never going to either. frankly i see infinate potential and as far as moral standards relaxing around here, about fucking time.

i couldn't be more happy that MTV and the internet are helping to flush out the draconian puritanical moralizing and repression that we've been stuck with since the first settlers touched down. it took us a few centuries but it's happening, heck, it's even legal for people to be gay in some states now - rome here we come! i'm not accusing anybody of being anti-gay, just pointing out that a lot of things happening are for the better. sorry, that detached "what is wrong with this world" attitude gets me every time, i find it kind of arrogant in that it suggests anybod knows what a proper world looks like.

I know what you are saying, but there is a difference between the relaxation of puritanical pressures and the complete absence of values (which is what I see happening).As a principled libertarian, I have a lot of intellectual struggles. Because while I pretty much believe that people should be free to live as they choose as long as they dont infringe on the rights of others, that shouldn't be construed as a pass for moral relavitism and complete absence of any values. Rather than seeing people embrace freedom and living in compliance with self determined values, I see most living on whims and embracing the dual philosophies of nihlism and hedonism.

 

[bobbdobbs]

Originally posted by bigbutnottoo
I know what you are saying, but there is a difference between the relaxation of puritanical pressures and the complete absence of values (which is what I see happening).As a principled libertarian, I have a lot of intellectual struggles. Because while I pretty much believe that people should be free to live as they choose as long as they dont infringe on the rights of others, that shouldn't be construed as a pass for moral relavitism and complete absence of any values. Rather than seeing people embrace freedom and living in compliance with self determined values, I see most living on whims and embracing the dual philosophies of nihlism and hedonism.

Right. Even as an atheist I have no problem with a Church convincing someone of their morality via persuasion. I have a big problem with the Church coming at you "with the Bible in one hand and the sword in the other."

Sameways with the new political correctness. Many liberals wish to enforce their view of proper behavior (hate speech limitations, salary caps, etc) with the guns of the state.

As a Libertarian I support freedom, realize it is always going to be messy, but hope that the inherent rationality of most people will prevent a chaotic society.

The fact that our species has survived a few hundred thousands of years of existance and is not only still surviving, but surviving in pretty high style hints to me that the natural tendency of man is toward the rational, and that periods of self-destructive irrationality are the exception rather than the rule.

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

well fair enough, but let me ask you all this then: what is the big difference from say my generation, and previous? how is the next batch and current culture more decadent than the last few? (if i misspelled decadent, then please take the high road . . . )

i see your points about morality being important, and i couldn't agree more. i'm not for a morally ambiguous and ancarchist society or anything. however, i still fail to see how american society is somehow degraded from previous generations.

also, i always try to keep in mind that morals, scruples, ect. are all realative. i dunno, somebody made the point that each generation makes this comment, and well yeah, i couldn't agree more with that. each always finds fault with the next. however, if you were to talk to a lot of people my age, theres a huge amount of bitterness towards baby boomers and the generation of yesteryear. i know i am competing with one of the msot highly competative and overqualified college admissions fields in history, and the overall amount of higher education being dispensed in america has risen and is still rising dramatically. a BA/BS in a standard field of study is hardly worth anything in the professional job hunt these days because it is simply too common.

i guess i'm really just curious what you fellows see as so wrong or frightening about the state of affairs and the potential of the country. how much do you really interact with the section of society that is causing your fears, do you think maybe it's a knee jerk conclusion to experiences and perceptions that are norms throughout every generation? are you basing those feelings off the image of popular culture you see in the media? i would just like to hear exactly why the world is so screwed, because i don't see it that way at all. i've got nothing but optimism.

the only societal standards i've seen relaxed are things like the sodomy laws, or as godsize mentioned a proliferation of pornography. while i don't think the standardization of smut is a landmark cultural achievement, i don't see it as threatening our way of life or a corruptor of youth. if anything it answers questions and keeps kids yanking off rather than fucking and making more teenage mothers. japan has a much greater volume of pornography consumption and their country endures a tiny fraction of the sex crimes per capita that the US does. sorry, somebody is going to have to write something pretty convincing to make me see some kind of downward slide, i am trying to consider it right now, and i don't see how a person could really conclusively feel that way unless they just consciousley wanted to.

i see the attitude so often displayed by nearly everybody that 99% of all people are idiots, and that they and a select few really know what's going on. now, i would say about 99% of people tend to feel this way as well. and now for a badly overworked old anecdote: socrates was the wisest man in athens because he knew that he was not . . .

i'm as arrogant as the next guy on the street, but i don't presume to know what a proper or moral world looks like, i just know how i would prefer it to be. if anybody actually has it all figured out please IM me immediately so we can discuss this breakthrough.

also, i think it was bigbutnottoobig that spoke about this . . . on what do you base your claims of an overriding nihilist/hedonist streak? and don't say "look around" because i don't see that when i look around . . . tell me what you think.

 

[Godsize]

goodbutnotgreat -

Where do you live, man? I sometimes think that it's because I live in New York that makes me think the world is ending sooner than it really is.

I live down the block from a grammar school, and every day around three pm they let these animals out and maaan... these kids are FUCKED up. If that's our future shuffling past my house, then we are fucked.

I'm sure that every person thinks he's smarter than "the rest", but sadly, there are no "I.Q. Guided" missles. When/if the bombs drop...we all get killed along with all the idiot dipshits of the world.

I think I watch too much TV, then draw my assumptions from the kind of stuff that people like to entertain themselves with these days. I feel as if America has no real culture...only commercialism. And most people accept that...even expect that. They want it and like it and allow themselves to get caught up in all the bullshit smokescreen issues like what so and so is wearing to which award show, etc...

How the hell did this thread get so bent out of shape from it's original topic? Damn! What the fuck am I talking about?

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

ha, i agree, there are a few restless minds on this board, it's kinda cool though.

i live in everytown USA in the midst of beautiful rural virginia, but i was born in conneticut, grew up in LA, and lived in Rochester and Ithaca NY for three years as well. my parents do research or consult for companies so we move a lot as their projects change.

i understand what you are saying about how the world you see everyday shapes your perceptions in general, and that's pretty much what i was trying to get across. we all have limited perspective, information, ect. nobody has the full picture, nobody has it all figured out, we just know what we think is best.

i do think there is an american culture though, it's just hard to see the forest for the trees. our culture is so widely exported, adopted, and vast it's hard to recognize. but americana is a real thing, it's just giant and difficult to grasp. but trust me, when a couple of frogs stumble into a mcdonalds in paris, they're participating in our culture. now whether or not mcdonalds is something we want to be proud of having as an american standard i'm not gonna get into . . . but i think we definately have a tangible culture.

we're kind of discussing hip-hop in another thread, there's something uniquely american. i tend to look at america as a culture that is born out of all the diverse influences that existed when the country was a real powder keg of social tension. that energy has been replaced by an emphasis on mass consumer consumption and media/information fetishization.

 

[whtballa18]

Funny how I was simply telling a little story and it turns out into this debate about America's morals !

I agree with almost everything Godsize says (in most posts), and well you all have valid points.

MTV yes... it's sad... millions of teens across America being brainwashed with decadent imagery. But the fact is, is that 75% of people out there are mindless robots that are living their life on automatic pilot instead of taking control of themselves, and lifting themselves out of their moronic mindstates. I doubt that this will ever change.

I for one, support any scientific or evolutionary advancement that will clean our gene pool of all the useless trash... but if we do that, who will work the menial jobs (McD's, school cafeteria worker, etc) ?

I am a fairly moral person... and I have fell for the "urban" image that Godsize speaks of... but you know, it's only to fit in. What else is there, should I be a punk or goth... hell no! Unlike others, however, I am conscious of the way I act and dress and I know it's just a facade, I am more like a chameleon, it's just an act, to fit into my surroundings. Even though I am much more intelligent than my peers, I hide that in order not to make them feel lower or to discriminate against me cuz I'm trying to "act better than them".

I can't stand those arrogant coffee shop assholes who just leer at people and jeer at them, like they are so much more enlightened or informed than everyone else because they are jacked up on caffeine!

 

[Priapos]

Originally posted by Godsize

..... I feel as if America has no real culture...only commercialism. And most people accept that...even expect that. They want it and like it and allow themselves to get caught up in all the bullshit smokescreen issues like what so and so is wearing to which award show, etc.....

Did America EVER have any culture?

Priapos

 

[samzman]

nope. we borrow from everyone elses rofl

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by samzman
nope. we borrow from everyone elses rofl

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

i guess all i was trying to say, in my typically oververbose and confusing way is that i don't see any tangible evidence kids and popculture are makedly and dumber or worse off than any other time.

different sure, and i think different gets interperated as bad by each and every generation . . . pop culture is always going to be low-brow, the rising generation is always going to piss off everybody else. if you read shakespere or chaucer (canterberry tales) theiy're loaded with fart jokes and vulgar sex referances. willie s. was the quentin tarentino of his day. they were wonderfully written fart-jokes and sex puns, but i mean, nothing we see in society is new, the media is just more entrenched in molding public perceptions.

youth moves onto maturity, things change, values evolve, i just don't see society as being any more vapid or worse than any other time. shit at least, we're not having witch hunts or segregating race and shit. what do you guys point to as a better time in american history, or world history for that matter?

also, i think american culture is dominant. go around the world, you find american influence in every country. they watch hollywood movies everywhere else, our stars are the world's stars. we're the cultural frontrunners in just about all repsects if you ask me. we're suppsoed to be a melting pot anyway, we may have diverse influences, but do you guys expect culture to be 100% original anywhere? culture doesn't jsut materialize out of the ether, it has to come from somewhere . . .

 

[John_Ogre]

Originally posted by bobbdobbs
Here's an idea. The next time a chick wants to talk about your penis size, insist that she do it with it in her mouth. Then it'll feel good and you really won't be able to understand what she says anyhow.

Now THAT'S a great way to measure!
rofl

 

[John_Ogre]

Originally posted by Godsize
goodbutnotgreat -

I live down the block from a grammar school, and every day around three pm they let these animals out and maaan... these kids are FUCKED up. If that's our future shuffling past my house, then we are fucked.

rofl
And here was me thinking that kids today were getting smarter younger.

 

[Super]

Thats for sure man. LOL. This is awesome.

 

[WaxN]

Originally posted by Godsize
bigbutnottoo -

Welcome to the future. I've been brainwashed into thinking that there should be some kind of morality to this society too, but what is morality anyway? What is it for?

I see younger people speaking and behaving in ways that disgust me like it never did before, but lately I've been thinking, "Why am I disgusted?" I want to just let it roll off my back and not be bothered with which way the world is going. We all know where it's going: Nowhere. Nothing is sacred anymore... but was it ever?

It's like I always expect the worst from people and they never let me down. I'm starting to wonder if I should even bother believing in a "right" or "wrong" anymore. Yet my deeply imbedded brainwashed morality hang ups are still there... still imbedded. I can't just give it up. If I could truly just let it all go, I'd be free.

Holding onto my morality will just perpetuate my own feelings of hopelessness. If 15 year old girls getting "trains run" on them is the latest trend, should I care? It's too much wasted energy. People are devolving. Society is collapsing just like any other decadent society that came before it. Live and let die, I guess.

Without getting into a debate about the "absolutes" of morality (which I do believe in), I agree that our society is devolving. Wealth, prosperity & comfort necessarily bring decay. Like ancient Rome, and numerous other "advanced" cultures, we too are collapsing. By the way, my 16-year-old son spoke of a 13-year-old girl who had a 9-man train pulled on her. He said his best friend told him she did it up on her mother's bed (during a party when her parents were away). His buddy told him there was a huge puddle/stain under her ass from all the drainage.
Ah, how charming is the Youth today.

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

hey waxn - i would doubt she is the first young girl in history to ever be taken advantage of by a group of men, far from it really. this is what i was referring to when i mentioned people making judgements about the world at large based on what they directly here about or see. a few isolated events do not speak for civilization . . .

also, i knew somebody would bring up the decadence of rome eventually, and ii find that to be a faulty comparison. we are not rome, far from it. and if you look at roman culture, even at it's peak, they were an incredibly brutal society. slavery, murder, the public ritualistic slaugher of people and animals for entertainment. the US is not rome, that is jsut cliche to me, no offense please.

so far as material comfort causing moral decay, that is an interesting statement. but then is it immoral for society to try and make the lives or people better and more comfortable? hasn't the whole of human progress been spent attempting to make life more liveable? i can also think of plenty of examples of times and places, current and archane, where people lived with little or no comfort or convenience and were not what i believe most on this ofrum would indentify as particularly moral.

somebody . . . anybody . . . explain to me why we are so bad off now, and then what was a better time for us? everybody seems to disagree with me, nobody is saying anything to support their views . . .

 

[whtballa18]

Goodbutnotgreat - I actually like to compare the USA to Rome.

You say we are not even near the decadence of Rome... well we have a similiar military, political, and social system. Personally I don't think Rome or the US is or was ever very decadent. We are the most advanced society in the world, so our minor flaws are blown to magnanimous proportions, compared to other countries. We have the highest homicide rates, compared to European countries. But shit, half of the europeans don't even bathe daily. There's a trade off.

Rome was one of the first to use money instead of a barter system. The US perfected the use of "legal tender".

We don't portray violence for entertainment you say? Sure we don't actually kill people in a stadium for entertainment, but what is Football? Simulated violence. Everything on TV is simulated violece, just like the Romans had simulated violence in the coliseum, except people actually died... for entertainment.

We have come to be the number 1 Culture/Country/Society in the world, as Rome was once. Best technology, hygiene, etc.

And we did have slavery once, as the Romans did.

We aren't excatly the same of course, because there's a difference of 2000 years. However, there are so many similarities and comparisons that cannot be dismissed, and I haven't named half of them yet.

The fact is, no country has been as dominant culturally, economically, technologically and militarily in the history of the world since the Roman Empire

 

[whtballa18]

The most obvious similarity is overwhelming military strength. Rome was the superpower of its day, boasting an army with the best training, biggest budgets and finest equipment the world had ever seen. No one else came close. America is just as dominant: its defense budget will soon be bigger than the military spending of the next nine countries put together !!

Another example is this. Rome knew that to dominate commercially and militarily (those two go hand in hand) they had to build roads all over the place. To reach out to other places and to send troops quickly. Well consider the Internet. It started as a military tool. It is the heart of American commerce, and is now starting to make English what Latin was back then... the Universal language.

Today ethnic diversity is a common and accepted American trait. The same went for the Romans. Their society was remarkably diverse, taking people from all over the world - and even promising new immigrants the chance to rise to the very top. While America is yet to have a non-white president, Rome boasted an emperor from north Africa, Septiminius Severus.

The framers of the American constitution loved the Romans. They built their government buildings to look Roman. They named the principle lawmaking body "the Senate" after the Romans. They chose the eagle as their national symbol. They even called their new system of government a republic, using a Roman word instead of an English word like commonwealth or a Greek word like democracy. Not excluding the latin words on our currency.

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

hey man, all good points, but i feel the similarities are more of a superficial nature. especialliny in terms of military strength and world hegemony. rome may have been tops in the western wrold for a little while, but their domination and undisputed power isn't really on the same scale as american power. we are virtually undefeatable, not even challengable really. rome was defeated and challenged frequently.

also, the stuff with the founding fathers, true they loved classical culture. however, most of the enlightenment ideas that our countries principles are founded upon originate from the great greek philosophers, and rome itself based their acrhitecture and cultural verve on the heigth of greek society. as for the roman words found speckled throughout civic, legal and everyday language, as you said, rome ruled all for a while, and latin is the base for all romance languages, and all learned men before recent times learned to read and write in latin and ancient greek.

so far as violence, we have a violent society, no doubt, but the romans were violent, chauvinistic, slave-owners. roman society was brutal, utterly brutal really, often much mroe so than the so-called barbarians that brought rome down. i believe there are some 28 different latin words for "murder," not phrases or euphamisms, but words. kind of a verbal reflection of society if you ask me . . .

anyway, there are broad comparisons to be drawn between rome and the US, but i see them as general comparisons, like comparing too presidents. yes bush and clinton both were president, both are ivy leaguers, both skipped out on vietnam . . . but in reality trying to make any analysis based on a few circumstantial similarities between the two is not beneficial. i generally tend to think it is a mistake to make sweeping judgements about current affairs based on the past. the overworked phrase about those not knowing history being doomed to repeat it is somewhat responsible for this. that may be true in many cases, but those that don't pull their noses out of a history book and realize a unique and not yet seen scenario ought to take the time . . . there has never been a nation with a position that even resembles our current standing in the international order . . . not even close. it's an exciting time in history, the post cold war era has only just begun.