Progress Log - Aim for 8”x7”

[JonnyP8]

Okay brothers, here is my progress log from the beginning.

Measurements as of today are:
BPEL 15cm / 5.9inch
EG 12.7cm / 5inch

As mentioned in my other post, I did bath mate quite sporadically for about a year several years ago and without measuring I definitely gained good permanent gland size and very slight erect gains all around.
This is the full extent of any PE I have done - I’m hoping I still have much newbie gains to be extracted.

Routine starting now:

30 second stretch each direction x 3 sets with talcum powder:
Out, left, right.
Up, up left, up right.
Down, down left, down right.
BTC, BTC left, BTC right.

Set one I pull regular and sets 2 and 3 I am doing a 360 twist for now since this keeps an even balance of sets for each twist direction 1 set clockwise + 1 set anti-clockwise (welcome advice on this).

Immediately after this,
Using coconut oil, a hybrid of SSJ 5x5x3 OR 12min standard jelq (welcome advice on this):

3mins jelq
3mins SSJ
3mins jelq
3mins SSJ
3mins jelq
3mins SSJ

The above is done early in the day.

Later in the evening,
I will pump using bathmate:

12min x 2 OR 5x5x3 (welcome advice on this).

Throughout the day (every day) I will be doing kegels also:
100x quick kegels minimum
100x 5 second hold and slow release minimum

That’s the full active routine planned with the tools available to me so far.
I am going to throw in additional stretching (unplanned and random directions/durations) such as when I’m lying or sitting around etc. as often as possible.

Future plans are to begin the cementing of gains with rings and wraps/sleeves. This will have to wait until I get the equipment and understand the best way to do it.

Also, replace the bath mate with a mityvac and manual stretches with a lengthmaster.

The aim is:

BPEL 20.5cm / 8.1inch
EG 18cm / 7.1inch

 

[JonnyP8]

@DLD @oldandlively @huge-girth

Hey brothers, here is my progress log - I’d love to hear any thoughts or advice you have on the above info at all.

Much appreciated thanks in advance

 

[oldandlively]

According to your routines so far, you have three options to pursue: manual stretches for length, pumping for length and girth, or combo of manual stretches and pumping to achieve length and girth (but very slow).

Bathmate will only provide girth, no length. If it does provide length, it's extremely little, less than 3% of your total length. It's a tradeoff between length and girth as you use Bathmate.

For length, it's best to use manual stretches if you're on a very limited budget. You can even use a segment of a broomstick (used by our brother squirt_inducer_man and a few others with similar variations). It's a fulcrum stretching where you use the stick as a pulling point. DLD provides a pyramid type of stretch info under his DVD instruction in the Media instruction.

You can use the MityVac smaller cylinders (roughly 0.5 to 1cm larger than your erected girth to force the tissues to become elongated rather than expand as the body of the penis compresses against the cylinder wall.

After a few sets in the smaller cylinder, you can switch to a larger cylinder between 1.5cm to 2cm larger than your erect girth to get the girth going. This should only be done a few hours later. Too much pumping causes edema (fluid in the skin) to build up. Too much fluid in the skin can cause discoloration to the skin.

A very large note to take, because the cylinder has a hard edge, it can cause nerve kinking. A universal pump donut should be used to cushion the lip of the cylinder at the base of the penis, minimising and eliminating the nerve kink. Few brothers in the past suffered nerve kinking issues because they pumped too hard, with the cylinder lip/edge pressing down too hard.

 

[JonnyP8]

Thanks brother

combo of manual stretches and pumping to achieve length and girth (but very slow).

I mean essentially that’s my plan so far, the stretches, jelqing and pumping every day.

You think it’s very slow?

A very large note to take, because the cylinder has a hard edge, it can cause nerve kinking. A universal pump donut should be used to cushion the lip of the cylinder at the base of the penis

Nice that’s good to know, as well as how to choose the correct size cylinder so thank you I will remember this when the time comes to finally get my mityvac.

I must admit I haven’t noticed this cylinder in any of the videos on here at all, only the seal thing that comes with the product to “prevent sucking the scrotum into the pump” which I did notice nobody seems to use lol?
I hate the turkey neck the bath mate gives so I quite like the idea of this seal thing, do you find it reduces gains or you use it when pumping?
I hoped this was the equivalent of the bathmate cushion ring (I hope you know which part I’m talking about, it’s on the mityvac page).

 

[oldandlively]

Thanks brother

I mean essentially that’s my plan so far, the stretches, jelqing and pumping every day.

You think it’s very slow?

If you gained that much in a few months, that's freaking awesome! It's slow for a sporadic 12-year period. It's phenomenal for just a few months after starting back up. You may be a splendid grower and become a shower (showing off your cemented long and large flaccid penis). Perfect for nude beaches and camps. I've been to a few of the mixed sex open air hotsprings, beaches, and camps. Let's just say some guys were packing crazy water hoses. You might end up be one of those guys.

I must admit I haven’t noticed this cylinder in any of the videos on here at all, only the seal thing that comes with the product to “prevent sucking the scrotum into the pump” which I did notice nobody seems to use lol?

That's one of the purposes of the silicone donuts. The thicker base one, not the skinny ones, provides comforts. I have three of them, one still sealed. The moment you expose the silicone to air, there will be discoloration of the silicone material. Two of mine look like they've been stained with yellow tint food coloring. Really weird.

Thick cushion version:


Thin version used for preventing cylinder's lip from cutting you:


See the difference on how thick the base is around the middle circle? The middle circle has a raised wall to seal with the base of the penis, and prevent your scrotum from being sucked up.

I hate the turkey neck the bath mate gives so I quite like the idea of this seal thing, do you find it reduces gains or you use it when pumping?
I hoped this was the equivalent of the bathmate cushion ring (I hope you know which part I’m talking about, it’s on the mityvac page).

I use the pump donut to prevent the turkey's neck from being sucked up in the past as well. But to deal with the turkey's neck, best to do ball-and-socket stretches. It will minimize and prevent turkey neck formation as your penis grows. Most of us do it. As a side benefit, the longer scrotal sack will smack-smack-smack those sexy butt cheeks and clit to stimulate the lady based on positions.

 

[huge-girth]

@DLD @oldandlively @huge-girth

Hey brothers, here is my progress log - I’d love to hear any thoughts or advice you have on the above info at all.

Much appreciated thanks in advance

If you focus heavily on training for length gains, you will gain length faster. You can train length and girth daily but you will gain quicker if you sort your length goal out first.

 

[JonnyP8]

If you gained that much in a few months, that's freaking awesome! It's slow for a sporadic 12-year period. It's phenomenal for just a few months after starting back up. You may be a splendid grower and become a shower (showing off your cemented long and large flaccid penis). Perfect for nude beaches and camps. I've been to a few of the mixed sex open air hotsprings, beaches, and camps. Let's just say some guys were packing crazy water hoses. You might end up be one of those guys.

I have to be honest brother I’m entirely confused by what you’re saying here, for sure you’ve misunderstood my post or I’ve perhaps been unclear lol?

That's one of the purposes of the silicone donuts. The thicker base one, not the skinny ones, provides comforts. I have three of them

Ahh nice, which of these comes with the mityvac bro? It doesn’t hurt gains or efficiency?

But to deal with the turkey's neck, best to do ball-and-socket stretches. It will minimize and prevent turkey neck formation as your penis grows.

No way brother for real? The longer scrotal sack is the very issue with the bathmate use in the first place no? I should make it longer even more?

As a side benefit, the longer scrotal sack will smack-smack-smack those sexy butt cheeks and clit to stimulate the lady based on positions.

Hahaha very nice

 

[JonnyP8]

If you focus heavily on training for length gains, you will gain length faster. You can train length and girth daily but you will gain quicker if you sort your length goal out first.

Ah interesting thank you brother

So at the moment I’m entirely limited really to the manual stretches when it comes to length training though.

Maybe I will just do 2 sessions per day of that instead of the evening pump and also not do the jelqing stuff. Or just throw in some girth work now and then? Just feels weird to completely neglect it.

Maybe this is what oldlively meant when he says it’s a slow looking plan. You think the way it’s set out is not very efficient then?

I thought it was pretty comprehensive plan but of course I’m brand new and have no idea lol so I’m glad you can help me with your experience brother

 

[oldandlively]

I have to be honest brother I’m entirely confused by what you’re saying here, for sure you’ve misunderstood my post or I’ve perhaps been unclear lol?

No worries. We'll just leave it here. I think we just have statements crossed wired somewhere, but the messages were understood.

Ahh nice, which of these comes with the mityvac bro? It doesn’t hurt gains or efficiency?

I believe the blue one. The clear one needed to be ordered somewhere else. It doesn't hurt gains or creates less/more efficiency. It's just for protection purposes.

No way brother for real? The longer scrotal sack is the very issue with the bathmate use in the first place no? I should make it longer even more?

No. The shorter scrotal sac that rises up along with penile shaft is the main problem. Well, having too much slack skin also is also a problem. Problems, problems, everywhere we go. Just make sure you have enough scrotal sac slack to prevent the sac from being pulled along with the penile growth.

If you have too much lengthed sac, you can use a towel or a wrap to pull the sac back between your legs. Our brother, @huge-girth, can testify to his testicle trick.

 

[JonnyP8]

Okay brothers, here is my progress log from the beginning.

Measurements as of today are:
BPEL 15cm / 5.9inch
EG 12.7cm / 5inch

As mentioned in my other post, I did bath mate quite sporadically for about a year several years ago and without measuring I definitely gained good permanent gland size and very slight erect gains all around.
This is the full extent of any PE I have done - I’m hoping I still have much newbie gains to be extracted.

Routine starting now:

30 second stretch each direction x 3 sets with talcum powder:
Out, left, right.
Up, up left, up right.
Down, down left, down right.
BTC, BTC left, BTC right.

Set one I pull regular and sets 2 and 3 I am doing a 360 twist for now since this keeps an even balance of sets for each twist direction 1 set clockwise + 1 set anti-clockwise (welcome advice on this).

Immediately after this,
Using coconut oil, a hybrid of SSJ 5x5x3 OR 12min standard jelq (welcome advice on this):

3mins jelq
3mins SSJ
3mins jelq
3mins SSJ
3mins jelq
3mins SSJ

The above is done early in the day.

Later in the evening,
I will pump using bathmate:

12min x 2 OR 5x5x3 (welcome advice on this).

Throughout the day (every day) I will be doing kegels also:
100x quick kegels minimum
100x 5 second hold and slow release minimum

That’s the full active routine planned with the tools available to me so far.
I am going to throw in additional stretching (unplanned and random directions/durations) such as when I’m lying or sitting around etc. as often as possible.

Future plans are to begin the cementing of gains with rings and wraps/sleeves. This will have to wait until I get the equipment and understand the best way to do it.

Also, replace the bath mate with a mityvac and manual stretches with a lengthmaster.

The aim is:

BPEL 20.5cm / 8.1inch
EG 18cm / 7.1inch

UPDATE

I quickly adapted my routine per the advice received from experienced brothers

Since having posted (Jan 6th) I have completed the following routine:

(1x360 BUNDLED) 60 second stretch each direction x 2 sets with talcum powder:
Out, left, right.
Up, up left, up right.
Down, down left, down right.
BTC, BTC left, BTC right.

Set one clockwise twist + set 2 anti-clockwise twist.

The above is to be done twice daily but I have begun with once very other day due to heavy fatigue since I have never done length work before maybe this is normal?

I’d rather take it slowly no rush until twice daily is possible.

Once or twice a week I will pump using bathmate:

12min x 1 OR 5x5x3

I’d rather not completely forgo girth work/pumping while I focus on length.
Unless even 1 or 2 pumps per week is going to hurt my length gains? (Welcome advice on this).

Throughout the day (every day) I will be doing kegels also:
100x quick kegels minimum
100x 5 second hold and slow release minimum

So length focused for now and I’m also DIY for rapping after the stretches - I re-wrap every 30 mins to get blood flow back.

 

[DLD]

Excellent work. I hope this is your ticket to those massive gains.

 

[JonnyP8]

Excellent work. I hope this is your ticket to those massive gains.

Thank you brother, do you have any notes or think it is too slow a routine?

Also my EQ has dropped since starting this when before it was very strong and frequent, I guess this is normal?

 

[oldandlively]

The routine is great as a first 3 weeks of transition. The same exercises can be increased in the amount of heavier intensity or change out the exercises to keep the body guessing for the following 3 weeks. Keep changing things up every 2 fo 3 weeks. Don't remain static with the same combos of exercises. The bundled BTC should be used as one of the main core exercises.

As for you EQ, yes, it's very common to have pelvic floor fatigue if you do too much kegel exercises. Reduce the kegel and add reverse kegel into the mix. Reverse kegel is the relaxation and bearing down on the pelvic floor, as if you're pushing the pelvic floor to release your waste.

100 x 1-second kegel. Every kegel, alternate with a reverse kegel.

Add in a 5-second kegel in between each 2 1-second kegels. So, it looks like this:

1 x 1-second kegel. 1 x 1 second reverse kegel. 1 x 1-second kegel. 1 x 1 second reverse kegel. 1 x 5-second kegel. 1 x 5 second reverse kegel.

There needs to be balances. Kegel alone is not a good thing. It's like doing bicep workout without triceps.

 

[JonnyP8]

The routine is great as a first 3 weeks of transition. The same exercises can be increased in the amount of heavier intensity or change out the exercises to keep the body guessing for the following 3 weeks. Keep changing things up every 2 fo 3 weeks. Don't remain static with the same combos of exercises. The bundled BTC should be used as one of the main core exercises.

As for you EQ, yes, it's very common to have pelvic floor fatigue if you do too much kegel exercises. Reduce the kegel and add reverse kegel into the mix. Reverse kegel is the relaxation and bearing down on the pelvic floor, as if you're pushing the pelvic floor to release your waste.

100 x 1-second kegel. Every kegel, alternate with a reverse kegel.

Add in a 5-second kegel in between each 2 1-second kegels. So, it looks like this:

1 x 1-second kegel. 1 x 1 second reverse kegel. 1 x 1-second kegel. 1 x 1 second reverse kegel. 1 x 5-second kegel. 1 x 5 second reverse kegel.

There needs to be balances. Kegel alone is not a good thing. It's like doing bicep workout without triceps.

Ahh I see, very interesting thank you I will incorporate this for sure

I had thought that the fatigue was mainly due to the new stretching as opposed to the kegels

The bundled BTC should be used as one of the main core exercises.

Think its worth increasing the reps on this direction relative to the other directions?

 

[oldandlively]

Think its worth increasing the reps on this direction relative to the other directions?

For every direction of the bundling, the other direction is required. Since you are essentially doing twice the amount of time, don't over burden the tissues at the start. Ease in. 60 seconds is a good start for each rotation direction for the time being, be up, down, left right, outwards, BTC. If you feel the exercises become too much, ease back on the intensity until the tissues become more adoptive to exercises. It's better to slowly progress than to kill your penis on a fast pace method.

 

[JonnyP8]

guys how worried should I be about my EQ?

Haven’t kegeled for a couple of days per the prev advice on low EQ being due to over kegeling but the EQ is still terrible

Is the stretching killing my EQ or is this normal?

 

[oldandlively]

EQ fluctuates as the blood vessels adopt to new stresses. If you like to test the recovery time, give the penile tissues a two to three days rest. EQ will renounce. Pay attention to how much rest before tissues and blood vessels normalize.

During resting period, do make sure to keep the passive elongation wrap going. What you gained so far shouldn't be lost by ignoring preservation steps.

 

[JonnyP8]

EQ fluctuates as the blood vessels adopt to new stresses. If you like to test the recovery time, give the penile tissues a two to three days rest. EQ will renounce. Pay attention to how much rest before tissues and blood vessels normalize.

During resting period, do make sure to keep the passive elongation wrap going. What you gained so far shouldn't be lost by ignoring preservation steps.

Okay I see, so it’s definitely normal for a first time stretcher like myself then? I did hope so since if I’m breaking down the tunica and stretching the ligaments and also expressing then you’d think this will illicit a recovery/adaptation time.

If the EQ doesn’t improve in a week I will try a 2/3 day rest, but for now I will keep going I think

Maybe even a pump every few days may help EQ without unfocusing the length gains

 

[oldandlively]

Okay I see, so it’s definitely normal for a first time stretcher like myself then? I did hope so since if I’m breaking down the tunica and stretching the ligaments and also expressing then you’d think this will illicit a recovery/adaptation time.

Even veterans like us have fluctuating EQ during intense exercises, especially after pumping. Take our brother 9.5inchpro for example. He went as high as -20inHg and did hours of exercises at a time. Everyone has specific limits before their EQ "tank" or dip poorly until the blood vessels resume again.

Yes, when you're breaking down the tunica and septum fibrous meshes, including stressing the internal chambers, you're forcing the body to readopt new changes. New blood volume must occupy the expanded areas, new blood pressure the body has to maintain the erection quality, and even higher resources to expend (nitric oxide) to maintain specific blood cycling for a longer period of time. Your body and brain is going through a new period of reprogramming and adoption. The moment everything is cemented, that's the new level of adaptation. Notice the words being used. Adoption vs adaptation. We want the body and brain to keep guessing through the growth phases by adopting new stresses. The moment the body reaches adaptation stages, you might hit plateaus that requires break through. This is why it's important to keep the body and brain guessing to variable combinations of exercises.

If the EQ doesn’t improve in a week I will try a 2/3 day rest, but for now I will keep going I think.

Try a two-day on, one day off routine for now. Allow the body ease in during this period. Everyone is different when they perform PE routines. Some even use the one-day on, one-day off for a few weeks to ease in. Some of us are going crazy and do one-day on, two-day off. No matter what progressive method you use, gauge your recovery period. Don't rush.

Maybe even a pump every few days may help EQ without unfocusing the length gains

Yes, you can also switch between length and girth exercises for an alternative day routine. Again, go easy on the exercises and the intensity. See what works best of your needs at this point in time. This is why logs are essential to keep track of the changes.

 

[JonnyP8]

Even veterans like us have fluctuating EQ during intense exercises, especially after pumping. Take our brother 9.5inchpro for example. He went as high as -20inHg and did hours of exercises at a time. Everyone has specific limits before their EQ "tank" or dip poorly until the blood vessels resume again.

Yes, when you're breaking down the tunica and septum fibrous meshes, including stressing the internal chambers, you're forcing the body to readopt new changes. New blood volume must occupy the expanded areas, new blood pressure the body has to maintain the erection quality, and even higher resources to expend (nitric oxide) to maintain specific blood cycling for a longer period of time. Your body and brain is going through a new period of reprogramming and adoption. The moment everything is cemented, that's the new level of adaptation. Notice the words being used. Adoption vs adaptation. We want the body and brain to keep guessing through the growth phases by adopting new stresses. The moment the body reaches adaptation stages, you might hit plateaus that requires break through. This is why it's important to keep the body and brain guessing to variable combinations of exercises.



Try a two-day on, one day off routine for now. Allow the body ease in during this period. Everyone is different when they perform PE routines. Some even use the one-day on, one-day off for a few weeks to ease in. Some of us are going crazy and do one-day on, two-day off. No matter what progressive method you use, gauge your recovery period. Don't rush.



Yes, you can also switch between length and girth exercises for an alternative day routine. Again, go easy on the exercises and the intensity. See what works best of your needs at this point in time. This is why logs are essential to keep track of the changes.

Okay thank you for that very informative reply much appreciated.

I’ll do 2 on one off and every 3 weeks change up the routine at least slightly, that’s correct right?

Also a general question, given my starting measurements, is 8x7 a realistic goal overall or it’s too much to hope for in your experience in this community?

 

[oldandlively]

I’ll do 2 on one off and every 3 weeks change up the routine at least slightly, that’s correct right?

Correct.

Also a general question, given my starting measurements, is 8x7 a realistic goal overall or it’s too much to hope for in your experience in this community?

Your current objective, not really a goal since your goal may be 9x7.5 in the future, is very realistic from 5.9x5. You have a head start ahead of me. Mine was 5.25x4.25 way back when, and achieved ~7.2x6.3 in around 2.5 years on a very slow, safe and steady pace. I still want to resume to get 9x6.3, or even 9x6.5 (with possibly a bat to my head because of the girth). So yes, you can indeed get your 8x7.

 

[DLD]

Excellent work. I hope this is your ticket to those massive gains.

Correct.



Your current objective, not really a goal since your goal may be 9x7.5 in the future, is very realistic from 5.9x5. You have a head start ahead of me. Mine was 5.25x4.25 way back when, and achieved ~7.2x6.3 in around 2.5 years on a very slow, safe and steady pace. I still want to resume to get 9x6.3, or even 9x6.5 (with possibly a bat to my head because of the girth). So yes, you can indeed get your 8x7.

9x6.5 is massive? I really want you to do this just to show the world how powerful you are.When you're training. I say shoot for the stars and hope de land on the moon.

 

[oldandlively]

9x6.5 is massive? I really want you to do this just to show the world how powerful you are.When you're training. I say shoot for the stars and hope de land on the moon.

Anyone can shoot for the stars, guru, or simply shooting into the pit of creation to fill it up. 9x6.5 may not appear to be large in our eyes as males, but to the ladies with smaller vaginal canals, the 9x6.5 simply destroys them without pleasure. Their eyes may crave something massive, but their pussies say something else, like "OHHH SHIT! Too much!" When you're stuck with a lifetime partner, and she can't handle your size, well, there won't be much action under the sheets or anywhere else, just like if it's too small to satisfy her.

 

[JonnyP8]

Correct.



Your current objective, not really a goal since your goal may be 9x7.5 in the future, is very realistic from 5.9x5. You have a head start ahead of me. Mine was 5.25x4.25 way back when, and achieved ~7.2x6.3 in around 2.5 years on a very slow, safe and steady pace. I still want to resume to get 9x6.3, or even 9x6.5 (with possibly a bat to my head because of the girth). So yes, you can indeed get your 8x7.

Nice, thank you again for the reply brother

 

[DLD]

Anyone can shoot for the stars, guru, or simply shooting into the pit of creation to fill it up. 9x6.5 may not appear to be large in our eyes as males, but to the ladies with smaller vaginal canals, the 9x6.5 simply destroys them without pleasure. Their eyes may crave something massive, but their pussies say something else, like "OHHH SHIT! Too much!" When you're stuck with a lifetime partner, and she can't handle your size, well, there won't be much action under the sheets or anywhere else, just like if it's too small to satisfy her.

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

Heed 'oldandlively's advice...slow and steady wins the race. Also, I like the adoption vs. adaptation concept. One thing you could add to your pre-PE routine is a warm-up with a heating pad for 10-15 minutes. This has helped me reach my personal best faster which allows me to reduce my pumping time and, subsequently the amount of edema.
Just my $0.02

 

[DLD]

That's the truth, take it slow and easy. But always be progressive in your intensity also be open to new exercises and routines.If you start to stagnate or hit a plateau let us know so we can help you put together a better routine