Please answer my question fellas, I'd really like to know...

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Can anyone answer me honestly how they treat a girlfriend/wife/fiance? Out of most of the stuff I've read all you guys want is some sex and you're good. This is sad. Please let me know honestly what you want/expect from a relationship, no bullshit, even if it is just sex. However, I do find it funny how some of you post about how you should "just get her to suck you off and leave dat bitch" and then wind up posting about your girl problems and need advice. Funny stuff. I dunno, just leave me your comments, all are welcome. I'm just wondering.
 
One thing about being on this forum is you'll definitely see a whole different side to men. But also keep in mind it's a sex-related forum, so some things are going to be said that generally wouldn't get said otherwise. Take things with a grain of salt.

Oh, and you know me and my fiance, so I'll let you be the judge. ;)
 
Well to be honost in a relationship with a girl sex is one of the things I least expect or want. I have trouble finding a girl that I like to be with, becasue most girls I run across are boring as hell. So if I'm with a boring girl then yea if I get some sex out of it I'll be happy, but I rather not even bother date a girl if I dont really like her. To me in a relationship I expect/WANT the companionship, the trust, and the feeling that goes along with it. Being with someone that you feel totally comfortable with and enjoy being around. And as much as you can feel that way with your bros, its just not the same as when you find a girl you can be like that with. The feeling is amazing, so sex is the last thing I care about in a GOOD relationship.
 
I have learned over the years that what I want most is excellent companionship. Companionship is the top of the list and an excellent companion is made of many great qualities. Making love is but one of these qualities and is only a minor portion of the focus. It is a focus, however, that cannot be ignored even though not too often. The real value is to make love to your companion rather than simply having sex. Just having sex is of very little value to a mature male but is the main focus of the less mature. Just my opinions.
 
Well, I think my sig says enough of what I am expecting...Ultimately, a man has to be respectful, loving, caring, considerate, and passionate...In the woman I desire more than anything for her to be smart, intelligent, and genuine...From that relationship the expectation would be that I don't want sex...not that I'm not interested, it's on my mind, but it's so much more than that...it's affection and honety, and of course you have to have romance....I'm the guy who wants to be the knight in shining armor....and I need a beauty to rescue...I can think of nothing more that I could want...The Lord is faithful and I know I have a long way to go before I can be in that relationship...
 
I love sex. rofl But I would give it up with my ex if she would grow up and want to be with me. Don't get me wrong, she's the best I've ever had, but having sex, then not knowing if you can trust her just isn't worth it.

To me trust is the most important. I am not controlling, so if she wants to go out and talk to guys, meet people, go to parties etc. I don't really care. If I can trust that she's not going to be getting involved with another guy, I will never try to control her. All I want besides that is for her to want to be with me and much as I want to be with her. Someone you can have fun with, enjoy being around, not argue over stupid things....bottom line, make me happy and I'll do anything I can for you. Making me happy isn't very hard either. For Christmas, I asked her to not buy me anything, spend her money on tuition or whatever. Just give me a day, or even 2-3 hours of worry free fun with her. I don't care if we would have just sat on the couch or in my bed, and watched tv together, and just had a good time. That would have been the best present to me.

So what does she get me? Not what I want. She gives me a break-up basically, 4 days before Christmas. Thanks. So yeah, relationships don't have to be complicated, but some people just make it that way.
 
Sex would be very important to me. I've had sex a few times, but I have never been in any kind of relationship (FYI, I'm 30). Sure, I've had a couple opportunities, but not too many. I am very picky in the sense that my stubborn nature has me determined that I will not settle with being with someone I really shouldn't be with, just to be with somebody. If I never have sex again, I'll live with that. It would suck, but I'll live with that, rather than be miserable with someone that is incompatible.

What I really want is love. Again, I'm not going to just seek it anywhere. The idea that someone really gives a damn about me is just totally foreign to me. I have no idea of what it is like to have someone do little special things to make me feel worthwhile and work my needs into her busy life is quite appealling to me. I think it must be incredible to know someone cares that much about you. I can remember thinking, while having sex, about what a great experience sex must be with someone you really care that much about to.

I have many issues that just make finding such a relationship difficult. I am financially broke right now. Although, many people have told me that my appearance is not that bad, I absolutely hate the way I look and I have no self-esteem. My guy friends keep telling me that women will never go out with a man with low self-esteem. I never could figure that one out, as I would think a woman would view such a man as an easy one to control and hold on to. Either way, I am what I am and that won't change anytime soon. I guess I can't complain about a woman having emotional baggage, because I carry some serious cargo myself.
 
penguinsfan said:
I have many issues that just make finding such a relationship difficult. I am financially broke right now. Although, many people have told me that my appearance is not that bad, I absolutely hate the way I look and I have no self-esteem. My guy friends keep telling me that women will never go out with a man with low self-esteem. I never could figure that one out, as I would think a woman would view such a man as an easy one to control and hold on to. Either way, I am what I am and that won't change anytime soon. I guess I can't complain about a woman having emotional baggage, because I carry some serious cargo myself.
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Its true, girls don't like guys with low self esteem. I think my low self esteem for a little while was the beginning of the end in my last relationship. Sure, there are some girls out there that would date a guy with low self esteem. And, many might even stick around and try to change that, but those ones you probably wouldn't even want if you're picky. You have to work on your inner game first before trying to meet a woman. I'm just not figuring that out. Its a hard thing to change from seeing yourself as nothing special for years and years, to trying to feel and act like you own the room when you walk into it. But, thats the kind of guy most women like, even if they don't want to admit it. They want a guy thats nice, sweet, emotionally involved, etc. They want a guy thats all those things BUT not ALL the time. If you're constantly trying to do things for her, most girls will view you as clingy and run. Again, it depends upon her age, and each persons personality is somewhat different.

But bottom line, if you want to be with someone and find that love, you need to work on your self confidence first. Its tough, I know this, as I'm dealing with it right now. But in my opinion its the only way to go, and find what you really want. And what happens if you don't get the girl, so what, you feel better about yourself anyways, and thats always a good thing.
 
When I got married, I was looking for an equal.

I am honest and trustworthy and loyal, so that is the qualities that I looked for and found in my mate. I can tell her anything and she can tell me anything, and neither one of us has to worry about the other stepping out. And by honest, I mean both the good and the bad stuff. I can tell her that I don't like something she cooked without her blowing up at me, and she can tell me to go wash my smelly feet! :D

I am a horny guy, so I looked for and found a gal who could keep up with me in the bedroom. We are unafraid to tell each other what we want, need and have shared and acted out one another's fantasies. She needs it a little bit less than I do, but it is okay. I understand that two people are not always in sync. There has been a few rare times that she has wanted it and I didn't. Still, I really wanted a girl that was as much into cock as I am into pussy, so there are alot of sparks flying when we make love -- which is an important part of long time relationships, regardless of what the romantic pusses say about romance and friendship. If a couple doesn't want to fuck all the time, it ain't going to last. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I wanted someone who was as smart as me, and independent as me, and as stubborn as me...and I got it.

We've been happily married ten years. Maybe some women want the fairy tale with the dashing prince who is always romantic and clean smelling and apologizes after sex-- but that was not for us. We want the real thing. I would die for her and she would die for me. We are one person.
 
Yeah...all that shit Kong said. That's what I want.

Seriously? Great sex life, along with compatible personalities and the ability to be frank and open with each other. What more could a person want?
 
esteban said:
Its true, girls don't like guys with low self esteem. I think my low self esteem for a little while was the beginning of the end in my last relationship. Sure, there are some girls out there that would date a guy with low self esteem. And, many might even stick around and try to change that, but those ones you probably wouldn't even want if you're picky. You have to work on your inner game first before trying to meet a woman. I'm just not figuring that out. Its a hard thing to change from seeing yourself as nothing special for years and years, to trying to feel and act like you own the room when you walk into it. But, thats the kind of guy most women like, even if they don't want to admit it. They want a guy thats nice, sweet, emotionally involved, etc. They want a guy thats all those things BUT not ALL the time. If you're constantly trying to do things for her, most girls will view you as clingy and run. Again, it depends upon her age, and each persons personality is somewhat different.

But bottom line, if you want to be with someone and find that love, you need to work on your self confidence first. Its tough, I know this, as I'm dealing with it right now. But in my opinion its the only way to go, and find what you really want. And what happens if you don't get the girl, so what, you feel better about yourself anyways, and thats always a good thing.
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Thanks for the advice and stuff.

I guess it's not as if I feel totally worthless. I am very self-conscious about my appearance, which looks to me to be nothing short of hideous. Others have assured me it's not that bad, and even tell me it's good on rare occasion, but I totally HATE MYSELF, physically. I have also made some poor choices careerwise and miss a couple opportunities. I don't have such a bad job, but it isn't a real good one either. After I pay my bills each month (mostly credit card debt), I really have nothing left to speak of. I can understand how an outside observer would flat-out label me a "loser" in terms of career accomplishment. As of now, I'm still not sure where to go next, but have accepted that I've pretty much peaked where I'm working now.

All that aside, I have a pretty good heart and personality to offer someone. I can be open and frank, like Kong talked about, which I consider to be an asset in the eyes of someone unless she is hypersensitive about things. I am a pretty intelligent guy with a great sense of humor. I will do most anything to help those I care about. I can be thick-skinned, cold and cutthroat when I have to be, but in the interest of those I care for. Guess that's about all I have going for me.
 
penguinsfan said:
but I totally HATE MYSELF, physically.......All that aside, I have a pretty good heart and personality to offer someone. I can be open and frank, like Kong talked about, which I consider to be an asset in the eyes of someone unless she is hypersensitive about things. I am a pretty intelligent guy with a great sense of humor. I will do most anything to help those I care about. I can be thick-skinned, cold and cutthroat when I have to be, but in the interest of those I care for. Guess that's about all I have going for me.
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Not trying to lecture you at all, so don't take it that way ;) but you really shouldn't hate yourself in any way. I don't know you, maybe you look bad, I don't know. But for yourself, you have to accept yourself as not just someone who looks bad but has a good personality. Its more about looking at yourself from the inside out. If you instead focus on your good personality traits, and then look at yourself in the mirror, you'll instead see someone that has many good things to offer someone, and the physical part won't really bother you as much.

Just an example of this: My ex kind of had some self esteem issues. She said that she thought she was pretty, but had some other things that she just didn't really like. I would always tell her that I thought she was the most beautiful girl I ever saw in person. And why was that? I truly believed it, and not because she was the most beautiful person I'd seen. But, when I looked at her, I don't care if she had just gotten up, had no sleep, no makeup, hadn't taken a shower, etc....I saw the Penis EnlargementRSON behind the eyes. True she was beautiful physically, but the person she was and still is, made her physical appearance so much more attractive.

Think that way about yourself and eventually you'll have the confidence to believe someone else will see you in that way. And, hopefully it'll help your confidence. :)
 
I know that out of a relationship i would like to have trust, I love everything about sex but i am not a sexaholic. I want a woman who has alot of things in common with me, I want someone who i can talk to everyday to let them know how i feel and to share things with. There are a whole lot of things that i would want out of a relationship.
I feel like there is awhole lot more to life than just sex. However sex is enjoyable but there is more meaning to a relationship than just sex. That is the way that i feel about a relationship. I mean you have family and people around you that care about you but it does not feel the same when you have a woman that you can be with that cares about you and that is a good thing. Being with someone that you love and enjoy doing things with is love. Telling your companion how you feel and being honest to one another is beautiful. That is my point of view on a relationship and how it should be.
 
virtue and integrity. dreams with me, has faith in things yet is realistic in faith and maintains priorities. can keep her eyes on the ball amidst passion, thinks long-term and also feels when the time is appropriate to take her eyes off that ball and run free with me. my alpha-female.
 
millionman said:
Come on VK, why the cynicism?
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This is a guy's forum, if a girl needs her insecurities addressed she needs to go somewhere else. I personally get enough drama from girls in real life, and to me, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is an escape from that. Many here are happily married, some not so happily, while others are single or in some sort of a relationship, and we all have only one thing in common:

We do NOT want to EVER hear a girl put us down due to something like penis size. We want to be untouchable, unreachable and that makes us in turn feel good about ourselves.


Don't for one second deny that. NOONE Penis Enlargement'S because it makes them feel good about themselves (well not initially anyways, fucken exercises are addictive after a while). We Penis Enlargement because in those minutes that we spend with ourselves enhancing our dicks, we are free of all female bullshit and propeganda. If it weren't for women's crap no guy in the world would EVER feel the need to pull on his dick for it to get bigger. you don't see people pulling on their index finger to get it bigger do you? its not because a bigger dick is any more usefull than a bigger finger, its because females dont say 'omg my xbf's finger was sooo bigggggg'.


So PLEASE let's keep [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] pussy free. and if some girl happens to want to enlargen her penis, she can head straight to Thunder's as they seem to be good at female type gossip and shit talk. You'll mix well w the rest of the pussies there. :P
 
Well the girl who started the thread hasn't been active here since January of last year. There aren't a lot of women here, so it's not a big deal. Sometimes women have the impression that we only want one thing, and sometimes that's the truth but then again we're not always that way. Personally, I don't like the drama either, and you can either deal with it or now, and usually I choose not to. There's no point to dealing with it as it will never go away, because there's always something going on in their world that they just want to bitch about.
 
millionman said:
Well the girl who started the thread hasn't been active here since January of last year. There aren't a lot of women here, so it's not a big deal. Sometimes women have the impression that we only want one thing, and sometimes that's the truth but then again we're not always that way. Personally, I don't like the drama either, and you can either deal with it or now, and usually I choose not to. There's no point to dealing with it as it will never go away, because there's always something going on in their world that they just want to bitch about.
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ya i agree
i'm not a woman hater or I wouldn't be here if I was.
I'm a jackass to girls, and that's the only reason they like me. They TELL me how some guy loves them off and they don't pay any attention to him cuz I'm the 'challenge' and I'm the one that makes her feel like nothing and she feels the need to somehow get my attention to make her feel good about herself (which I ultimately never do, you have to feel good about urself, not rely on some person to pamper you). So when I hear this bullshit on a forum thats full of genuwine people I get pissed. Chances are you guys are much higher in the 'jerk ladder' than i am, in which case what I say is just a confirmation of what you already know. But chances are some of you are 'good guys' and you think 'wow thith nithe lady came on MoTH and wath talking about how nithe she is and how she want-th a true relathionthip.' bullshit! the only time 99% of women want relationships is when they have some sort of short comming in life and want to take care of it and once that emotional/psychological need has been taken care of by a guy w a truely good heart, they go on partying w some1 like me and laugh at his ass. then when I don't call back the next day you see them talking about guys being dicks, pigs and assholes and how guys only want sex from a relationship.

They're either too dumb to realize (or just refuse to realize) that all they were asking for was there for them by that nice guy they took for granted.

and please don't hate me for playing women. I only play the ones that I know play the game with others.

*VK gets in his Vaseline_mobile and disappears into the dark night where he can find more applicants to use vaseline on*
 
oh and one more thing.


It is my honest opinion that if these types of women didn't turn old and wrinkly (hence unable to attract quality cock after a limited time) they would never get married. they get married when their pussy stock prices starts to drop on NASDAQ. Then they find some sucker to sign a contract with them for life. Of course you can cancel the contract when you realize you've been ripped off, but it's gonna cost you half your shit.


To those guys out there who are happily married, good for you! we all envy you. a good woman is rare to find.


*VK gets back into Vaseline_mobile*
 
VK, That's true. I think there are a lot of men on this board and around the world who don't get the fact that as we age we increase in value, but as women age they decrease in value. That's why guys like Heff or any man over 40 CAN get play from a woman who is between the ages of 18-30 because he has lots of value in their eyes. I think it's a very interesting thing, and I just recently thought about it in that way. I'm only getting better with age, and wiser about the women I will and will not deal with. That makes a huge difference. If you understand your own value as a MAN, and understand yourself then you've got more going for you than 80-90% of the other men out there. Of course that could be why I'm still single. I'm too damn picky. I have to have a woman who doesn't need me 24/7 but wants me and can understand that I'm a busy man and I have a life outside of her. That seems to be a problem with most of the women I've met recently. Of course they all fall in the age range of 18-25.
 
esteban said:
Its true, girls don't like guys with low self esteem. I think my low self esteem for a little while was the beginning of the end in my last relationship. Sure, there are some girls out there that would date a guy with low self esteem. And, many might even stick around and try to change that, but those ones you probably wouldn't even want if you're picky. You have to work on your inner game first before trying to meet a woman. I'm just not figuring that out. Its a hard thing to change from seeing yourself as nothing special for years and years, to trying to feel and act like you own the room when you walk into it. But, thats the kind of guy most women like, even if they don't want to admit it. They want a guy thats nice, sweet, emotionally involved, etc. They want a guy thats all those things BUT not ALL the time. If you're constantly trying to do things for her, most girls will view you as clingy and run. Again, it depends upon her age, and each persons personality is somewhat different.

But bottom line, if you want to be with someone and find that love, you need to work on your self confidence first. Its tough, I know this, as I'm dealing with it right now. But in my opinion its the only way to go, and find what you really want. And what happens if you don't get the girl, so what, you feel better about yourself anyways, and thats always a good thing.
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Ah, maaaan. Penguinsfan I sure hope you've since changed this mindset. It's not that a woman would want to or actually does want to be with someone in a relationship where she'd be able to control or manipulate her "man" anytime she wanted. Women want a man they think will be a challenge to tame. It's all about games and tests with them and if you're not up to their standards and/or a bit of a challenge to them in terms of the games they like play then you've got no shot and they won't take you seriously. I haven't gotten laid in a long time, but that's because I stopped giving a shit and before I was pretty immature hence I've gotten laid a handful of times since high school. I've pretty much stopped trying because I hate myself, but that's a whole set of problems unto itself. Women can sense that shit in a man too. What can't they sense? Their own bullshit.
 
Wow, old thread.

Guys, this chick is a good personal friend of mine, and I can vouch that she's not the type that VK seems to be bitter toward. She's a cool girl, although she was very sheltered when she first came across this site, so it was a bit of a "culture shock" for her, so she was trying to figure some things out. I don't think she's been to the site in over a year because she's off at college and has a big social life, but mainly I just think the novelty of being at a Penis Enlargement site wore off and she moved on. Let's let dead threads rest.
 
iwant8inches said:
Ah, maaaan. Penguinsfan I sure hope you've since changed this mindset.
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I could talk for days about the things that frustrate me about women. Women are a necessary evil...or at least sometimes I just about get to that point. <:(
 
penguinsfan said:
I could talk for days about the things that frustrate me about women. Women are a necessary evil...or at least sometimes I just about get to that point. <:(
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I agree 100% penguinsfan

I sometimes find it tough, like I do have an inner desire to settle and just chill w a gf, let down my guard and just play no games. But no matter who the girl is, I find that as soon as they 'think' they 'got you' they get bored. So for me it's always about making sure that they KNOW that i won't tolerate any of their shit, and that I'm volatile. I make sure she 'accidentally' meets some girl that might like me and girls are quick at things like that the second they see a girl that might be interested in their man they smell it. Sometimes I make a girl like me, by some very simple mind games and with no mention of the fact that I'm seeing some1 else, then as she herself is playing a game of hard to get with me, I go to where she works/chill with the girl I'm seeing. Either I introduce them together or I don't. This does two things at once:

1) when I introduce them, the girl will inevitably be shocked that I'm comfortably introducing her to my gf, and she'll be caught offguard cause she'll be somewhat pissed but at that moment she'll think back and see that I in noway ever made a move on her and that it's all been in her head. in turn her frustration will be picked up on the gf radar, and she'll know that this gurl got upset by seeing me w her.

using the female over exageration factor to my advantage, I would say something like 'she's such a nice girl' or something neutral like 'she's so chills/funny/etc.' the gf's mind goes into obssessive panic mode which means she's gonna be pissed for a bit (which I completely ignore cause if you pay attention to that she's gonna bitch and make your life hell! ). After she sees that you don't show any reaction about her being upset, she's gonna think 'fuck i shouldn't let her win, he might like her' so i get a very good 'please stay with me' reward.

2) the girl that got upset seeing w my gf will feel like an idiot that she played hard to get with me. while she was running for me to catch her, I was playing with some girl she had no idea about. So she'll feel turned off by me and flush me out of her mind but she'll nevertheless be a little intrigued by me. After all, I didn't give two shits about her if I introduced her to my gf. The next time I see her, all I need to do is a little bit of a flirting spark and she's back in the game now knowing I have a gf. Now if my gf for any reason pisses me off, bye bye to her, and hello to this newly obssessed girl which thinks she's WON me off.



now reading that you might be like 'pfft who the fuck wants to play that much mental game man, leave the fuck alone i want a girl that treats me like blah blah blah...'

fact of the matter is you will never find a girl that will give you your space unless you kick her out of it. you will never find a girl that will be into you unless you make her mentally addicted to you so that if you don't like something you have the power of telling her what to do ( like not getting drunk while going clubbing, or clubbing at all with her friends) where as if you were to TELL a girl 'don't club>:( ' she's more than likely to tell you 'who do you think you are telling me what to do w my life blah blah' .


I should also add, looks do nothing for a guy, but confidence does.
When I say looks I mean your facial features. In no way do I mean your physical features. If some1 tells you 'you don't need to be fit to play women' they're talking shit. being fit, more than a physical attribute, is a charcter trait which shows men and women alike that you care about yourself and have great respect for your body to spend the time to take care of it. but other than that, the confidence that comes from it is unlike anything else you could do to enhance your game.


You can click on my profile here to see a picture of my abs during summer. right now I'm in school and barely have the time and my body is garbage out of shape. on the days that I felt self concious about my build during winter days, I wouldn't be able to talk to girls as much, but now I'm just as confident in myself off season as I am on season and with that confidence there, I can talk to any girl I want. So if you're not a pretty boy (neither am I) don't think you should regress and not get into the game cause you weren't born with it. respect yourselves and get your Penis Enlargement'd dicks to work!
 
That's good stuff right there. Dang man, what are you a pro fitness dude or some shit? How do you get into that kind of shape? Is it more of how and what you eat than the exercises you do or is it both? Good stuff though. I talk to women every day, but I no longer care what the fuck is up with them or anything really. I just go about my day so I probably won't take this advice, but others it sure as hell sounds like it would work on most any kind of woman.
 
I'm hearing you Vaseline Knight. I think that men have just as much right to live the way they were born as women do. A lot of the time women feel that they are better or more righteous than men because they want something 'deeper' in a relationship.(for those of you laughing you arses off I mean deeper as in more meaningful. LOL):)

But that doesn't mean that they're better it just means that they are after different things. Men find a lot more happiness from objects than women do. Does that mean that men are right? No, it just means that they are different.

Men spend a lot of time feeling guilty about how they feel because women are telling them that they should be feeling a different way and that they are wrong for feeling the way they naturally do.

The post at the start of this thread really pisses me off. What gives her the right to come here and judge us? I would never go to a female orientated site and do that. It is IMO in keeping with a growing trend in society that is all about dominant women forcing their values on to us.

I, as a man, should not have to make excuses for my desires (within reason of course) or my values. I have just as much right to have them as any jumped up feminist. If you hate men so much then firstly why are you here and secondly why don't you just become a lesbian.....maybe you are...seriously.

As a side note I have a massive amount of respect for women as a whole but it's just this kind of judgmental attitude that gets to me.

PHEW... deep breaths. :)
 
TomdW said:
I'm hearing you Vaseline Knight. I think that men have just as much right to live the way they were born as women do. A lot of the time women feel that they are better or more righteous than men because they want something 'deeper' in a relationship.(for those of you laughing you arses off I mean deeper as in more meaningful. LOL):)

But that doesn't mean that they're better it just means that they are after different things. Men find a lot more happiness from objects than women do. Does that mean that men are right? No, it just means that they are different.

Men spend a lot of time feeling guilty about how they feel because women are telling them that they should be feeling a different way and that they are wrong for feeling the way they naturally do.

The post at the start of this thread really pisses me off. What gives her the right to come here and judge us? I would never go to a female orientated site and do that. It is IMO in keeping with a growing trend in society that is all about dominant women forcing their values on to us.

I, as a man, should not have to make excuses for my desires (within reason of course) or my values. I have just as much right to have them as any jumped up feminist. If you hate men so much then firstly why are you here and secondly why don't you just become a lesbian.....maybe you are...seriously.

As a side note I have a massive amount of respect for women as a whole but it's just this kind of judgmental attitude that gets to me.

PHEW... deep breaths. :)
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See, I think that argument can be turned on its head. I see men as finding more enjoyment/satisfaction for what they do or what they can build,learn,discover basically all things that they can look to as establishing their perception of self-worth whereas I see women tending to be on the side of finding satisfaction in projection as in who or what they own or are married to and that qualifies their status for them in their community/society. Men and women in the U.S. are of course at the mercy of advertisement and the things we believe are of value in society. A diamond ring signifies a commitment to a life of love together or suggests love. That's the dumbest thing that's ever been pushed onto people or at least one of them, but most women love diamonds and talk about getting that RING like it's a birthright. It definitely speaks volumes to what kind of internal variables have changed into external variables and have become infused into our society's values. This is for the U.S. though and I am young so I don't know. I am probably speaking from a very limited view seeing as how I only really pay attention to women my age. Women family members play a role in our perception on that too so who knows? I think what you may have been touching on with your assessment was more of what men want in a relationship though so I just wanted to throw my two cents in on that comment because that irked me a bit. I genuinely don't care what I own, but if I do something or create something or otherwise accomplish something it doesn't matter what it was it was the fact that I had the apptitude to do it that brings a sense of joy, pride, and fulfillment. It's still all fairly primitive the way we go about "love." We sometimes need to realize when we are letting that EGO get in the way of our reptilian brain and vice versa.
 
Good point.
I agree with you that men are 'builders' in the sense that I take great pride in any projects, be it musical or business orientated, that I have in the works.

I don't think that we have a problem with love. We just do it in a different way to women. I'm not saying that we just want sex. Actually men don't connect as much meaning to sex as the majority of women do. What I'm saying is that men just have a different way of showing our feelings and maybe we care about other things.

Women actually have this way of bonding with people that they have developed in order to make them bond well with and take great care of their babies. We don't have that. A lot of the time I question the validity of mariage and devoting yourself to just one partner for your whole life. I'm just not certain that it is natural for men. It's what is expected of us so it's what the majority of us do which again is in keeping with my belief that women's values, ect are being pushed on to us to the degree that now we feel bad if we don't just get married. If this is really what men are supposed to do in life then why are so many of us having mid life crisis'? Also, men don't run out of steam sexually for well after women i.e. menopause.

Women have a great ability to connect with people in a way that the majority of men cannot. We just biologicaly can't do this. We can go along with what is expected of us, being the 'good' man, but eventually we crack and have affairs. Doesn't that tell you something's not right.

In fact it is now seen as bad to think in the steriotypical male way. Well I say fuck that! I think how I think and I will not change it for anyone. No matter how bad they try to make me feel about it.

Also. Men do have EGO. We are naturally competative in a lot of ways. That is not something to be ashamed of or to try to control. It is who and what we are. In fact it would be much more wierd for us to try to love women in the same way that they love us.

Don't get me wrong, men need and give love as well but just not in the same way or to the same degree as women do. Truely great and successful relationships are ones in which both partners know what the other person needs and is willing to give it to them. They also appreciate that they may not want the same things but they are willing to do the work to give their partner what they need. :)
 
TomdW said:
Good point.
I agree with you that men are 'builders' in the sense that I take great pride in any projects, be it musical or business orientated, that I have in the works.

I don't think that we have a problem with love. We just do it in a different way to women. I'm not saying that we just want sex. Actually men don't connect as much meaning to sex as the majority of women do. What I'm saying is that men just have a different way of showing our feelings and maybe we care about other things.

Women actually have this way of bonding with people that they have developed in order to make them bond well with and take great care of their babies. We don't have that. A lot of the time I question the validity of mariage and devoting yourself to just one partner for your whole life. I'm just not certain that it is natural for men. It's what is expected of us so it's what the majority of us do which again is in keeping with my belief that women's values, ect are being pushed on to us to the degree that now we feel bad if we don't just get married. If this is really what men are supposed to do in life then why are so many of us having mid life crisis'? Also, men don't run out of steam sexually for well after women i.e. menopause.

Women have a great ability to connect with people in a way that the majority of men cannot. We just biologicaly can't do this. We can go along with what is expected of us, being the 'good' man, but eventually we crack and have affairs. Doesn't that tell you something's not right.

In fact it is now seen as bad to think in the steriotypical male way. Well I say fuck that! I think how I think and I will not change it for anyone. No matter how bad they try to make me feel about it.

Also. Men do have EGO. We are naturally competative in a lot of ways. That is not something to be ashamed of or to try to control. It is who and what we are. In fact it would be much more wierd for us to try to love women in the same way that they love us.

Don't get me wrong, men need and give love as well but just not in the same way or to the same degree as women do. Truely great and successful relationships are ones in which both partners know what the other person needs and is willing to give it to them. They also appreciate that they may not want the same things but they are willing to do the work to give their partner what they need. :)
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Well, I think part of the problem is we are too tapped into this materialized world where everything is a projection of what we are displacing the things we truly desire with the material things that we associate as bringing us those displaced desires. Biologically, yeah we are going to want different things in a relationship, but that's why we seek out a partner in the first place. We are mostly operating with the reptilian brain in these matters in fact I think a bit too much, but that's very much another subject all together. It's just like anything else though in that if you had enough knowledge and time the dots are all connected eventually. I believe in love whereas many do not or at least have some problem understanding how it could even exist on any kind of level other than on a biological one. There is obviously another level to love and that's a spiritual level in which I'd imagine in true love (where sex isn't limited purely to physical actions) is there all the time. We can never escape our reptilian brains and in today's society it's easy to understand how women and men are so far a part as a whole, which is exactly what we are here for. You can apply love to any two human beings too by the way.

As for the EGO I was referring to, it wasn't necessarily our ego in the sense you are bringing about, but I meant the part that allows us to mitigate or otherwise reason with our primal instincts among other much deeper issues. Sometimes we feel the need or deep desire to cheat or fuck another women and that is letting our reptilian brain get the better of us. Sexual relationships are the trickiest things in life where we are constantly at odds with either our reason or our desires. It doesn't matter who tends to cheats more in the sense that who knows for sure because we have it in our heads that women don't do it as often as us meanwhile they might just be better at not getting caught because the EGO,as in the way you used it, (it's sort of the same thing obviously, but we used it differently) gets in our way to think about that possibility. I don't know though. I mean men think that they have more of a sexual need than women do, but I don't think men cheat because they need that sex from someone new(planting as many seeds or whatever). I think men cheat for the same reason women do and that is because they didn't care enough about the other person in the relationship and/or they weren't satisfied with the relationship because of any number of reasons such as perhaps they are hurt because they know or suspect their partner is cheating. It amazes me how territorial we ALL are, men and women, yet when it comes to suspicion we tend to become cowards and resort to games as opposed to coming out with our concerns. If you don't work it out then you are resorting BACK to fight or flight mode. Again...primitive. The people who find love have it difficult, but it's definitely more worth the eb and flow of a relationship when there is love as opposed to more lust and fixation on physical attraction and actions.
 
I agree with alot of what was just said on this thread from Tomdw, Iwant8, and VK. Very interesting insight you have with women Vaseline, I'm discovering a good deal of this to be true myself while being exposed to so many different kinds of women in college. Props on that formula you made too. Just one question I got confused on.............lol what's with the GIANT horse balls?!?
 
I agree with you on many of your points. It's very true that men need love just as much as women do.

One thing that sticks out for me is the sense that men biologically are designed to have more than one mate in our lifetimes. For instance if you look at monkeys or gorillas they have children with a partner and then get on with their own lives although they still care for the children they also have other sexual partners.

Maybe it is built into us to want more than one sexual partner over time. I'm generalizing quite a lot but I'm talking about men on average. Look back a few hundred years ago men had more than one wife a lot of the time.

When I go out I spend a lot of my time looking at and thinking about women. I think that it is built in to us psychologically to always be looking for new mates. Whereas in women they don't think about it as much. Say you're in a relationship and you go out with your partner. You want to look at the other women but you are not allowed to because your partner will become jealous and angry with you. Eventually you snap and have an affair which hurts everyone more than if you were just honest about who you were in the first place.

I don't think that that is the way it should be. Realistically you are only looking to have sex with them but because women attach a lot more meaning to sex they think that you are after more than you really are.

All in all I think that society doesn't play into our hands.

Tell me more about this 'Reptilian Brain' you are referring to. :)
 
9cyclops9 said:
Guys, this chick is a good personal friend of mine, and I can vouch that she's not the type that VK seems to be bitter toward. She's a cool girl, although she was very sheltered when she first came across this site, so it was a bit of a "culture shock" for her, so she was trying to figure some things out. I don't think she's been to the site in over a year because she's off at college and has a big social life, but mainly I just think the novelty of being at a Penis Enlargement site wore off and she moved on. Let's let dead threads rest.
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I didn't read your post until after I posted my stuff last night. I don't know what kicked this thread up back into action again, but the subject matter really is relevant material.

It's nothing to do with your friend or her original question. We all know there are chicks that are cool as hell and there should be no offense taken by anyone. It's just that those of us that have had a hard time and bad experiences are leaning more towards the notion that the cool chicks are fewer and further between. Hope your friend is having fun at college.
 
TomdW said:
The post at the start of this thread really pisses me off. What gives her the right to come here and judge us? I would never go to a female orientated site and do that. It is IMO in keeping with a growing trend in society that is all about dominant women forcing their values on to us.

I, as a man, should not have to make excuses for my desires (within reason of course) or my values. I have just as much right to have them as any jumped up feminist. If you hate men so much then firstly why are you here and secondly why don't you just become a lesbian.....maybe you are...seriously.
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Come on, Tom. From what cyclops said, she may probably won't even come back here, but when it's all said and done she was just totally confused and asked the question, which was perfectly reasonable. It was basically a "you guys think with your dicks, but worry about your relationships, so what gives?" kind of question. It would be like one of us going to a female site and asking how come women constantly bitch about just wanting a nice guy and never give anyone the time of day except assholes, and keep going back to the assholes that treat them the worst. It's a perfectly legitimate question. You might not go to such a site and ask it, but I'm sure some men do. The topic is a good topic but it wasn't addressed at anyone personally, so take it easy.

As a side note I have a massive amount of respect for women as a whole but it's just this kind of judgmental attitude that gets to me.
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That's kind of funny. I have so little respect for women as a whole because I see them making the same mistakes over and over again because so many of them can't possibly manage to substitute logic for emotion, even in the most obviously important decisions. Plus, I feel very discriminated against by women as a whole.

That being said, of course there are women I dearly care for and think are cool as hell, but I just usually have to get to know them. I don't mistreat women at all or anything. Most of them would never know my gripes without getting into a deep philosophical discussion.
 
iwant8inches said:
A diamond ring signifies a commitment to a life of love together or suggests love. That's the dumbest thing that's ever been pushed onto people or at least one of them, but most women love diamonds and talk about getting that RING like it's a birthright.
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Man, that is funny shit. I don't have any problem with the whole idea of the diamond ring, but only under normal circumstances.

I have a friend that has been living with his girlfriend for like over three years now and she's been pushing to get married and tells him she "won't accept" a ring that costs less than like $5,000 or $6,000 or more. I can't remember exactly. Anyway, this guy probably pulls in less than 30K per year when it's all said and done. Spending that much on a ring is great if you got money, but it's stupid if you're struggling. I like his girlfriend and she's incredibly sweet, but I just don't think she should be putting demands like that on him.

And then there is the issue of the fact she's already living with him. I suppose I'm a little old-fashioned, but I kind of think I would not want to actually fully live with some chick (as in actually sharing the same mailing address, lease agreement, etc.) prior to marriage. To me, it just seems if you're going to have a big celebration over something, it should be significant. I think it loses all significance when you not celebrating the convenience, joys, and even challenges of having a full-time companion because your life is no different after the elaborate wedding ceremony than it was before. I'm not saying I would never cohabitate before marriage, but if I did I guarantee you the best offer I'd ever put forth is "no ring" and a "quick formality at the courthouse".
 
penguinsfan said:
That's kind of funny. I have so little respect for women as a whole because I see them making the same mistakes over and over again because so many of them can't possibly manage to substitute logic for emotion, even in the most obviously important decisions. Plus, I feel very discriminated against by women as a whole.

That being said, of course there are women I dearly care for and think are cool as hell, but I just usually have to get to know them. I don't mistreat women at all or anything. Most of them would never know my gripes without getting into a deep philosophical discussion.
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STOP TAKING THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH>:(

ya what he said

btw, TomdW and Iwant8inches: very nice posts ;)
 
penguinsfan said:
I didn't read your post until after I posted my stuff last night. I don't know what kicked this thread up back into action again, but the subject matter really is relevant material.

It's nothing to do with your friend or her original question. We all know there are chicks that are cool as hell and there should be no offense taken by anyone. It's just that those of us that have had a hard time and bad experiences are leaning more towards the notion that the cool chicks are fewer and further between. Hope your friend is having fun at college.
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No prob, I understand.
 
TomdW said:
I agree with you on many of your points. It's very true that men need love just as much as women do.

One thing that sticks out for me is the sense that men biologically are designed to have more than one mate in our lifetimes. For instance if you look at monkeys or gorillas they have children with a partner and then get on with their own lives although they still care for the children they also have other sexual partners.

Maybe it is built into us to want more than one sexual partner over time. I'm generalizing quite a lot but I'm talking about men on average. Look back a few hundred years ago men had more than one wife a lot of the time.

When I go out I spend a lot of my time looking at and thinking about women. I think that it is built in to us psychologically to always be looking for new mates. Whereas in women they don't think about it as much. Say you're in a relationship and you go out with your partner. You want to look at the other women but you are not allowed to because your partner will become jealous and angry with you. Eventually you snap and have an affair which hurts everyone more than if you were just honest about who you were in the first place.

I don't think that that is the way it should be. Realistically you are only looking to have sex with them but because women attach a lot more meaning to sex they think that you are after more than you really are.

All in all I think that society doesn't play into our hands.

Tell me more about this 'Reptilian Brain' you are referring to. :)
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Oh I know and I understand that, but that has to do with development/maturity. What I'm talking about when I say the Reptilian brain is the most primal part of our evolved brain which you can look into on your own, but a basic definition of it would be the lower brain or brain stem that allowed us to focus on survival. It is the part of the brain, which helps you react without thinking so to speak. There are other parts of the brain like the mammalian brain or limbic stem that deals with emotions. If you are afraid to take on certain things in life such as relationship problems then you are probably resorting to irrational behavior. When I say maturity I mean a person who is mature enough to make conscious analytical decisions they should be able to handle relationship problems, but if they are threatend in any way within the relationship such as another man being with their woman, having to committ, or having a smaller penis than her previous lover and they resort to cheating or hitting a woman as punisHydromaxent for breaching the boundaries of their relationship aka his territory then that is not rational behavior. It was very aggressive behavior and it would make no sense to most of us, but if they are not mature enough yet or just plain are being aggressive toward their partner it is most likely because they have downshifted into their reptilian brain because of insecurity. That's not to say that leaving your woman or trying to enlarge your penis means you are using your reptilian brain. On the contrary you're thinking while considering your options and weighing them after having identified your emotions.

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That is a tricky thing to understand, but behavior is most assuredly influenced and manipulated by society. That sort of acceptance in marriage or union between man and woman or whatever is a social construct. It's acceptible today in some societies as well as other other subcultures, but it just might be illegal in some nations such as here in the States. We can only have one wife, but there are people who believe that is acceptible within the country. It's all about what is accepted and what is unaccepted and after that it's all about degrees of norms.

Now truly when we are young we are likely to be looking for a mate if not for anything other than biological reasons. That's not the same thing as finding as many women to plant our seeds in as possible. Not only is that typically unacceptable in many societies, but it is an issue of using reason and thinking before you act. If you have 16 kids today in the U.S. and pay child support to 8 different mothers then I'd say you are one piece of work and you've made some pretty irrational decisions. Your self-control is weak and no matter what anyone says you have broken down the very basic and essential component of society which is the family. These were unlikely uncontrollable biological problems that caused you to penetrate these women and leave every one of them upon pregnancy. Fortunately, not everyone behaves this way so we can easily determine that the majority of the time it's a decision to behave this way. I'm not in any way saying simply DENY yourself pleasure or anything that makes sense after you give it some thought. I'm just saying there's a difference between acting on urges and inhibitions while knowingly hurting someone in your relationship and just not having a choice in the matter. That's rubbish. And HEY, yeah for those of you still reading EVERYONE fucks up at some point in relationships. Everyone makes mistakes, but why is it a mistake? BECAUSE WE SHOULD KNOW BETTER! Like I said though if you are making irrational decisions it is probably because you're downshifted into that reptilian brain. That might not be our fault to an extent, but if you are constantly behaving this way in all your relationships or most of them especially beyond a certain age there probably is something wrong there as the maturation process has probably been stunted in a large way. Whenever we are afraid or threatened of course are we behaving irrationally and our actions aren't necessarily going to be irrational either. But if you become enraged upon hearing your girlfriend confess to you she has cheated on you and you kill her lol, then that's the reptilian brain helping out somewhere along the way.

As for the rest, (and really this is just us talking about different perspectives on the same things) but I have to say I agree somewhat with you on women putting more emotions and other meanings with sex compared to men. Men often do view sex as a physical act, a time to release stress and other stuff like that, it's almost like we pride ourselves on just having it. There's nothing inherently good or bad about it in any sense either. On the other hand it depends again on your society and what is acceptable and unacceptable. Depending how strict the "law of the land" is (to save time on getting into that stuff lol) everyone is going to at least conform or deviate from the norm. Age is major factor again for both men and women when it comes to what level of maturity the person has reached(define that in any number of ways for this topic, I'll just once again broadly touch on expectations in a relationship). Now, you know as well as all of us do that there are PLENTY of women out there that just want some good ol' COCK every now and then. In terms of relationships hell there are just as many female PIMPS as there are male PIMPS/playas. There are also women that just "gold dig." Whatever, it doesn't matter. It's all the same for both men and women in this country. We all have our own expectations and desires and we want to find someone that can fulfill enough of them to satisfy us in a relationship. If we're happy we'll stay. If we're not maybe we will still stay together for better or worse or maybe we'll get a divorce or split up or what have you. It's hard to be so general when speaking about these topics because the parameters are too large. It's only discussion though, but I like reading other people's thoughts on pretty much anything. We all have our own perspectives.
 
Damn CYC stop being such a wussy whiny little woman. LOL, you suck by the way. Where have you been at?

Anyway, I can say that I had a great Valentine's Date last night, truly one of the best nights of my life and hers too. Not because of the sex, but because I was with the woman that I love more than anything. The timing for us isn't right at the moment, which is probably why I came home more than a tad irritated. Everything was amazing, and it's just one of those things that just can't be right now. It's rough, but what are you gonna do?

Women on the whole, personal opinion, want a man who will be there to care for them and treat them well. There is a huge difference between being a good man and a wuss bag. A man does what he wants, lives his life, and shares it with a certain woman, but a wuss bag tries to beg and buy his way into keeping her or getting her in the first place. He's not secure within himself to just let her live her life, and in most cases she is HIS life and that's never a good thing. BE INDEPenis EnlargementNDENT AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE. Share it with someone that you value and that deserves to be in your life, not someone that you just HAVE to cling to. That's not being independent nor is it going to make you happy in the long run.
 
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iwant8inches said:
To the text in bold:
Oh I know and I understand that, but that has to do with development/maturity. What I'm talking about when I say the Reptilian brain is the most primal part of our evolved brain which you can look into on your own, but a basic definition of it would be the lower brain or brain stem that allowed us to focus on survival. It is the part of the brain, which helps you react without thinking so to speak. There are other parts of the brain like the mammalian brain or limbic stem that deals with emotions. If you are afraid to take on certain things in life such as relationship problems then you are probably resorting to irrational behavior. When I say maturity I mean a person who is mature enough to make conscious analytical decisions they should be able to handle relationship problems, but if they are threatend in any way within the relationship such as another man being with their woman, having to committ, or having a smaller penis than her previous lover and they resort to cheating or hitting a woman as punisHydromaxent for breaching the boundaries of their relationship aka his territory then that is not rational behavior. It was very aggressive behavior and it would make no sense to most of us, but if they are not mature enough yet or just plain are being aggressive toward their partner it is most likely because they have downshifted into their reptilian brain because of insecurity. That's not to say that leaving your woman or trying to enlarge your penis means you are using your reptilian brain. On the contrary you're thinking while considering your options and weighing them after having identified your emotions. The mammalian brain deals with rationalizing these emotions and feelings. I tend to look at this as (and this is all me by the way obviously, I can't speak on this stuff like I have a Ph.D) part of the brain as the after the fact part of the brain. Like the person that hits his girlfriend. He was obviously hurt, threatened, angry about something, but he reacted and struck without thinking. I look at the mammalian brain kicking in and rationializing this act after it's occurred. I wasn't getting into our sexual behavior and the things that this part of the brain deals with either because I feel that more or less people here are more rigid when it comes to sex and I feel our society has a strong grip on our collective instincts that have referred to. (the feelings and whatnot can't be regarded as their sole residing area of the brain either, but more or less this is the center for emotions, and feelings among other basic elements of survival and life)

To the text in italics:
That is a tricky thing to understand, but behavior is most assuredly influenced and manipulated by society. That sort of acceptance in marriage or union between man and woman or whatever is a social construct. It's acceptible today in some societies as well as other other subcultures, but it just might be illegal in some nations such as here in the States. We can only have one wife, but there are people who believe that is acceptible within the country. It's all about what is accepted and what is unaccepted and after that it's all about degrees of norms.

Now truly when we are young we are likely to be looking for a mate if not for anything other than biological reasons. That's not the same thing as finding as many women to plant our seeds in as possible. Not only is that typically unacceptable in many societies, but it is an issue of using reason and thinking before you act. If you have 16 kids today in the U.S. and pay child support to 8 different mothers then I'd say you are one piece of work and you've made some pretty irrational decisions. Your self-control is weak and no matter what anyone says you have broken down the very basic and essential component of society which is the family. These were unlikely uncontrollable biological problems that caused you to penetrate these women and leave every one of them upon pregnancy. Fortunately, not everyone behaves this way so we can easily determine that the majority of the time it's a decision to behave this way. I'm not in any way saying simply DENY yourself pleasure or anything that makes sense after you give it some thought. I'm just saying there's a difference between acting on urges and inhibitions while knowingly hurting someone in your relationship and just not having a choice in the matter. That's rubbish. And HEY, yeah for those of you still reading EVERYONE fucks up at some point in relationships. Everyone makes mistakes, but why is it a mistake? BECAUSE WE SHOULD KNOW BETTER! Like I said though if you are making irrational decisions it is probably because you're downshifted into that reptilian brain. That might not be our fault to an extent, but if you are constantly behaving this way in all your relationships or most of them especially beyond a certain age there probably is something wrong there as the maturation process has probably been stunted in a large way. Whenever we are afraid or threatened of course are we behaving irrationally and our actions aren't necessarily going to be irrational either. But if you become enraged upon hearing your girlfriend confess to you she has cheated on you and you kill her lol, then that's the reptilian brain helping out somewhere along the way.

As for the rest, (and really this is just us talking about different perspectives on the same things) but I have to say I agree somewhat with you on women putting more emotions and other meanings with sex compared to men. Men often do view sex as a physical act, a time to release stress and other stuff like that, it's almost like we pride ourselves on just having it. There's nothing inherently good or bad about it in any sense either. On the other hand it depends again on your society and what is acceptable and unacceptable. Depending how strict the "law of the land" is (to save time on getting into that stuff lol) everyone is going to at least conform or deviate from the norm. Age is major factor again for both men and women when it comes to what level of maturity the person has reached(define that in any number of ways for this topic, I'll just once again broadly touch on expectations in a relationship). Now, you know as well as all of us do that there are PLENTY of women out there that just want some good ol' COCK every now and then. In terms of relationships hell there are just as many female PIMPS as there are male PIMPS/playas. There are also women that just "gold dig." Whatever, it doesn't matter. It's all the same for both men and women in this country. We all have our own expectations and desires and we want to find someone that can fulfill enough of them to satisfy us in a relationship. If we're happy we'll stay. If we're not maybe we will still stay together for better or worse or maybe we'll get a divorce or split up or what have you. It's hard to be so general when speaking about these topics because the parameters are too large. It's only discussion though, but I like reading other people's thoughts on pretty much anything. We all have our own perspectives.
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millionman said:
Damn CYC stop being such a wussy whiny little woman. LOL, you suck by the way. Where have you been at?

Anyway, I can say that I had a great Valentine's Date last night, truly one of the best nights of my life and hers too. Not because of the sex, but because I was with the woman that I love more than anything. The timing for us isn't right at the moment, which is probably why I came home more than a tad irritated. Everything was amazing, and it's just one of those things that just can't be right now. It's rough, but what are you gonna do?

Women on the whole, personal opinion, want a man who will be there to care for them and treat them well. There is a huge difference between being a good man and a wuss bag. A man does what he wants, lives his life, and shares it with a certain woman, but a wuss bag tries to beg and buy his way into keeping her or getting her in the first place. He's not secure within himself to just let her live her life, and in most cases she is HIS life and that's never a good thing. BE INDEPenis EnlargementNDENT AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE. Share it with someone that you value and that deserves to be in your life, not someone that you just HAVE to cling to. That's not being independent nor is it going to make you happy in the long run.
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Millionman, that's great news about your night of passion or whatever you want to call it. It's great to hear someone that is so down to earth as you seem to be having a good relationship.

From your description I know of two wuss bag's out of my social group. They really fit the profile.

iwant8inches I've been thouroughly enjoying your posts and yes, I have been reading the entirety of each of them. :) I just noticed that nearly all of us in this conversation are the same age. 9C9, MillionMan, iwant8inches, VK and me.

Carrying on from what you said iwant8inches, I think that we have to be careful not to simply pass off some of our natural urges as simply our 'reptilian brain' at work. In fact what is so wrong with accepting the fact that it is a part of our psyche and acting in accordance. I don't mean just thinking 'Ug, me want kill.' or something of the sort and following through on those instincts but more just acknowledging some of our more primal sexual desires.

Also, I very rarely want to fight or kill anyone. Actually I can't remember a time when I was sober and had those feelings. I get angry but control myself so I suppose what you are saying is that following our reptilian brain would be, as soon as you get pissed off, stay pissed off and act aggressively. There are some in my social group that fit that profile too.

I just realised that it might seem as if I don't mind being unfaithful but actually I'm very strongly against it. I'm really saying that maybe we shouldn't be monogomous but that we should be honest about that from the start with whichever partner we are with. Sort of like an open relationship.

I don't want to get too airy fairy now but iwant8inches you made the point that family is a very important part of society. I agree but wouldn't it be better if the whole human race was one big family that protected each other and loved one another as well as having open relationships with more than one partner (discounting relatives of course).:blush: :P

Right I am in danger of becoming a hippy. I must stop this at once.

OK back down to earth now. PHEW.
 
TomdW said:
Millionman, that's great news about your night of passion or whatever you want to call it. It's great to hear someone that is so down to earth as you seem to be having a good relationship.

From your description I know of two wuss bag's out of my social group. They really fit the profile.

iwant8inches I've been thouroughly enjoying your posts and yes, I have been reading the entirety of each of them. :) I just noticed that nearly all of us in this conversation are the same age. 9C9, MillionMan, iwant8inches, VK and me.

Carrying on from what you said iwant8inches, I think that we have to be careful not to simply pass off some of our natural urges as simply our 'reptilian brain' at work. In fact what is so wrong with accepting the fact that it is a part of our psyche and acting in accordance. I don't mean just thinking 'Ug, me want kill.' or something of the sort and following through on those instincts but more just acknowledging some of our more primal sexual desires.

Also, I very rarely want to fight or kill anyone. Actually I can't remember a time when I was sober and had those feelings. I get angry but control myself so I suppose what you are saying is that following our reptilian brain would be, as soon as you get pissed off, stay pissed off and act aggressively. There are some in my social group that fit that profile too.

I just realised that it might seem as if I don't mind being unfaithful but actually I'm very strongly against it. I'm really saying that maybe we shouldn't be monogomous but that we should be honest about that from the start with whichever partner we are with. Sort of like an open relationship.

I don't want to get too airy fairy now but iwant8inches you made the point that family is a very important part of society. I agree but wouldn't it be better if the whole human race was one big family that protected each other and loved one another as well as having open relationships with more than one partner (discounting relatives of course).:blush: :P

Right I am in danger of becoming a hippy. I must stop this at once.

OK back down to earth now. PHEW.
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LOL, the whole world! one big family? That'd be GREAT! Now if we could just live in that world for a minute lol, nah I know what you're saying, but I'm looking at this in a realistic model of the human being. The reptilian brain was brought up mainly to show the patterns that we get ourselves into as far as cheating or doing certain things almost ritualistically. That whole sense of why not just acknowledge our primal sexual desires is asking for more than just an acknowledgement it would seem and would appear as more of an excuse for behavior. I don't know anyone personally on this forum and I don't judge people especially if I don't know them. I try to understand and actually probably am more curious to get past the how and down to the why part.

As for the open relationship, yeah I mean if that's an arrangement you make with your partner then any "problems" that would arise wouldn't be result of deception or betrayal. I'm more than likely making it seem like I believe the reptilian/lower brain is the cause of all irrational behavior, but that's not what I meant at all. If you get into a habit of letting your insecurities get the best of you and you can't control or work out your feelings constructively then you probably aren't able to overcome the reptilian and mammalian brains. We use all parts of our brain and the most evolved part of our brain is what is sometimes referred to as the cerebral cortex or

"Carrying on from what you said iwant8inches, I think that we have to be careful not to simply pass off some of our natural urges as simply our 'reptilian brain' at work."

Nah, that would most likely be the mammalian brain at work lol. Our inability to overcome these natural urges that sometimes result in irrational behavior would be the reptilian brain at work. There are times when they are very useful to us in life like when you're life is in danger, but these two get us into trouble most often when all we use are our instincts and fail to use our neo-cortex. Basically this is the part of our brain that has made our species evolve to the point where written and spoken language are possible and basically without it there would be no consciousness as we understand it and our many cultures would probably not exist either. All three of these parts of our brain work together simulataneously. Perhaps knowingly(meaning your prefrontal cortex lol is functioning just fine and the consequences of your actions are well understood) going about and cheating (I mean actual cheating not having an agreement with your lady about doing other people if you want) is something worth discussing here though.
 
IWANT8, I get what you're saying. The only problem with it is to assume evolution as fact. We do have what are considered to be lesser brain functions that govern our higher brain functions such as reason and speech, but the presentation of this reality as something reptilian or mammalian is over reaching the bounds of the subject. In either case I do understand what you are talking about, even though I may not agree with you 100%.

I will say that in many cases as far as reacting to a situation as opposed to ACTING is a very dangerous prospect in most situations. Self-control and managing your emotions is a vital part of life, and is a very important characteristic that many people do not possess. One of the biggest problems between the sexes is this, what I think is a central issue. I know very few men who control themselves very well when it comes to women. Meaning that they are either too aloof, showing no interest, or being too needy/clingy. There is a middle ground where you live your life and spend time with a woman because you DO care and are willing to make time because you choose to. Huge difference in SELF-CONTROL. With women I've found it to be that they are too rational, and in others entirely too emotional. Women will slober all over some guy and then clam up shut because they don't want to appear to be loose or slutty, or they are on the opposite spectrum and any man willing to pay them any attention gets a nice ride on the merry go round. Again, this is essentially either being too self-controlled to where feelings and desires are not expressed, and the other is expressing too freely. Now, I know it could be said what is too freely, but we all know there is a limit to certain kinds of behaviors. Being promiscuous because of a lack of self-control is not in the plus collumn of characteristics with anyone.

On a more personaly note I've experienced what it's like to be needy/clingy, too aloof, and to be a bit of a man whore. Through experience I have learned more about myself, and things that I never thought possible, and have come to a better understanding of relationships (all relationships) and knowing how to deal with things. I think through it all you just have to learn, live, love, and enjoy the journey. Things will happen along the way good and bad, but overall just enjoy the drive.

Also, there are tons and tons of attractive women around. Just pick one out and go talk to her. There is absolutely no harm in walking up to her and saying, "I'm sorry but I had to tell you that I think you are quite beautiful. Would you like to get a cup of coffee?" If she agrees to the coffee, then sex is on. LOL, that's from Eddie Izzard, and no it's not true. It is fun to go up to a pretty woman and say exactly what's on your mind, as long as it's fairly clean she'll probably smile, laugh, or start a conversation. If she ignores you then she's a BITCH and you then can say whatever you would like to her, because women that are just bitchy to any and everybody should be told off.
 
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IWANT8, I get what you're saying. The only problem with it is to assume evolution as fact. We do have what are considered to be lesser brain functions that govern our higher brain functions such as reason and speech, but the presentation of this reality as something reptilian or mammalian is over reaching the bounds of the subject. In either case I do understand what you are talking about, even though I may not agree with you 100%.

I will say that in many cases as far as reacting to a situation as opposed to ACTING is a very dangerous prospect in most situations. Self-control and managing your emotions is a vital part of life, and is a very important characteristic that many people do not possess. One of the biggest problems between the sexes is this, what I think is a central issue. I know very few men who control themselves very well when it comes to women. Meaning that they are either too aloof, showing no interest, or being too needy/clingy. There is a middle ground where you live your life and spend time with a woman because you DO care and are willing to make time because you choose to. Huge difference in SELF-CONTROL. With women I've found it to be that they are too rational, and in others entirely too emotional. Women will slober all over some guy and then clam up shut because they don't want to appear to be loose or slutty, or they are on the opposite spectrum and any man willing to pay them any attention gets a nice ride on the merry go round. Again, this is essentially either being too self-controlled to where feelings and desires are not expressed, and the other is expressing too freely. Now, I know it could be said what is too freely, but we all know there is a limit to certain kinds of behaviors. Being promiscuous because of a lack of self-control is not in the plus collumn of characteristics with anyone.

On a more personaly note I've experienced what it's like to be needy/clingy, too aloof, and to be a bit of a man whore. Through experience I have learned more about myself, and things that I never thought possible, and have come to a better understanding of relationships (all relationships) and knowing how to deal with things. I think through it all you just have to learn, live, love, and enjoy the journey. Things will happen along the way good and bad, but overall just enjoy the drive.

Also, there are tons and tons of attractive women around. Just pick one out and go talk to her. There is absolutely no harm in walking up to her and saying, "I'm sorry but I had to tell you that I think you are quite beautiful. Would you like to get a cup of coffee?" If she agrees to the coffee, then sex is on. LOL, that's from Eddie Izzard, and no it's not true. It is fun to go up to a pretty woman and say exactly what's on your mind, as long as it's fairly clean she'll probably smile, laugh, or start a conversation. If she ignores you then she's a BITCH and you then can say whatever you would like to her, because women that are just bitchy to any and everybody should be told off.
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Well, I said I'm no Ph. D and not an expert in sociobiology or anything of the like. In any case it's very hard to deal with the abstract especially when trying to apply it with something we can observe with our senses. It is what it is and I'm just applying what I understand from literature that I've read. You might have your own interpretations and might know more about all this, but IT is there and it needs to be explained so...Something causes us to behave certain ways in any case regardless of what we believe. I'm trying to look at generalities and that is all the more difficult so cripes MILL lol please bare with me. Alot of our behavior is constrained and defined or rather shaped by the society in which we live. I would say I agree with your saying that there needs to be an establisHydromaxent of your own identity while sort of balancing that with your need to establish bonds in terms of friends or in a sexual manner.

I believe in evolution (the idea of evolution period, but as far as what theory I accept more than others, hell I don't know if that's possible for me to decide without there being a perfect example of a damn near absolute proof of its existence for human beings) just based on the new discoveries with genetics and the innumerable possibilities of organisms and their makeup alone. We see so much diversity in species and it just makes more sense to me than some of the I.D. stuff out there posing that such a complex organism as human beings for example could only have an intelligent designer. I tend to see the possibilities of more complexity out of the need created by the "something taken out" of the equation as opposed to the certain collapse others might protest. How many times does it take to get an invention just right? It's too much to ask for us to figure out our origins and how we came to be much less while trying to factor in the supernatural(I think the methods of science have done a fine job unravelling the myths and supernatural of yesterday into something more plausible, provable, valid, reliable and verifiable.) The phenomena, anything that occurs, we can study within our mortal and limited range of knowledge and that is the only way we'll discover such things. I'm not putting words into your mouth either millionman (I have no idea what you believe), but the biggest opponent or as I see it obstacle in the way of science/evolutionary theories is I.D. I just see I.D. as saying ALL RIGHT we all ready KNOW that there is a higher being and that's our answer. We're done.

What we see today or rather what we are today might be fine for now and for thousands of years ago, but there's too much that could change globally from an environmental standpoint that could bring about certain needs for adaptation. Look at our species own adaptation to sunlight/climate in terms of skin pigmentation. Branching off completely from your species? Other species still around that we believed to be ancestors of homo sapiens? There's a lot of damn questions to be answered, but it makes more sense to find out these answers and possibly disprove theory after theory until we get it right seeing as how that is kind of the point anyway, right? There are variables that we cannot ignore today (and variables we cannot account for as well presently and in the future) and the consequences we'll experience might be as hard to project (we'd need that Intelligent Designer to predict or rather tell us what's going to happen I suppose since the mighty I.D. must know as he created everything) as anything we've been able to understand much less project.
 
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