Please advice - routine and progress

[trustr1]

Yep.
Seems like i get even less expantion when i increase the ssj. Unless it's coincidence.
Recently i did more c jelqs and little ssj for total of 5min. and i was getting bigger expantion as it seems.

Today i did mainly ssj for almost 8 minutes and little jelqs too. And i got 11.5-11.8 afterwards. Very low. And not for the first time.
So it's either the ssj eliminates any fluid buildup thus causing smaller girth total afterwards. Or that c jelqs worked better for me. Or it's neither that or that.

 

[oldandlively]

Yep.
Seems like i get even less expantion when i increase the ssj. Unless it's coincidence.
Recently i did more c jelqs and little ssj for total of 5min. and i was getting bigger expantion as it seems.

Great observation. I believe I see the patterns. I'll explain and I'll offer something to change with.

When you use SSJ to induce positive pressure, your penis already maxed out the amount of blood volume in the constraint corpus cavernosa. Think of a room that already have strong walls, and you need to break the walls down little by little. When you use the C-jelqs, you're forcing blood through the existing blood vessels, and C-jelqs is practiced to induce larger blood volume rush. It's like making your current garden hose to become larger using high pressure than the garden hose can support the volume of water flow. By forcing the blood volume in a quick push each and every stroke, you're forcing a higher flow pressure to expand and contract that your body likes. Think about how when you're hot and horny, and your blood pressure forces a large amount of blood to make your penis as a hard as it can to make the partner feels ecstatic with a larger feeling to receive your semen. By doing the C-jelqs, follows by the SSJ in balance, you're causing that expansion phenomenon through larger blood vessel blood flow, and positive expansion rate through SSJ to force the blood chamber temporarily.

Today i did mainly ssj for almost 8 minutes and little jelqs too. And i got 11.5-11.8 afterwards. Very low. And not for the first time.
So it's either the ssj eliminates any fluid buildup thus causing smaller girth total afterwards. Or that c jelqs worked better for me. Or it's neither that or that.

If C-jelqs work well, let's play with blood pressure manipulation. I wish more brothers report their observation like you during their routines. It's a lot easier to provide routine management.

If you're using 8 minutes of the C-jelqs and SSJ, bump it to 9 minutes total. Let's do C-jelqs for 2 minutes, and for 1 minute, force the C-jelqs into the SSJ. The 2 minutes allows the blood to accumulate, and the 1 minute of SSJ causes temporary forced expansion. Repeat the pattern for 3 C-jelqs and SSJ.

So, the routine is something like at 3 x 9 x 3 sets for pumping for now:

• 3 minutes pumping in a dynamic pressure to expand your penis.
• 2 minutes C-jelqs to build up pressure and 1 minute SSJ to force further expansion. Repeat 3 times total.
• Repeat with the pumping set for 3 sets total.

Observe how you're doing between 3 sets vs 4 sets vs 5 sets. This will gauge how well your penis responds to low amount of sets vs high amount of stressed sets. As you go past the 3rd set, your penis will reach fatigue. Some penises respond very well for stresses, and some not so much. We'll gauge it at this moment in time.

 

[trustr1]

Great observation. I believe I see the patterns. I'll explain and I'll offer something to change with.

When you use SSJ to induce positive pressure, your penis already maxed out the amount of blood volume in the constraint corpus cavernosa. Think of a room that already have strong walls, and you need to break the walls down little by little. When you use the C-jelqs, you're forcing blood through the existing blood vessels, and C-jelqs is practiced to induce larger blood volume rush. It's like making your current garden hose to become larger using high pressure than the garden hose can support the volume of water flow. By forcing the blood volume in a quick push each and every stroke, you're forcing a higher flow pressure to expand and contract that your body likes. Think about how when you're hot and horny, and your blood pressure forces a large amount of blood to make your penis as a hard as it can to make the partner feels ecstatic with a larger feeling to receive your semen. By doing the C-jelqs, follows by the SSJ in balance, you're causing that expansion phenomenon through larger blood vessel blood flow, and positive expansion rate through SSJ to force the blood chamber temporarily.


If C-jelqs work well, let's play with blood pressure manipulation. I wish more brothers report their observation like you during their routines. It's a lot easier to provide routine management.

If you're using 8 minutes of the C-jelqs and SSJ, bump it to 9 minutes total. Let's do C-jelqs for 2 minutes, and for 1 minute, force the C-jelqs into the SSJ. The 2 minutes allows the blood to accumulate, and the 1 minute of SSJ causes temporary forced expansion. Repeat the pattern for 3 C-jelqs and SSJ.

So, the routine is something like at 3 x 9 x 3 sets for pumping for now:

• 3 minutes pumping in a dynamic pressure to expand your penis.
• 2 minutes C-jelqs to build up pressure and 1 minute SSJ to force further expansion. Repeat 3 times total.
• Repeat with the pumping set for 3 sets total.

Observe how you're doing between 3 sets vs 4 sets vs 5 sets. This will gauge how well your penis responds to low amount of sets vs high amount of stressed sets. As you go past the 3rd set, your penis will reach fatigue. Some penises respond very well for stresses, and some not so much. We'll gauge it at this moment in time.

Sounds great!
I will update. Thank you!

 

[trustr1]

Update:
I have done the recommendation for the last two days.
4min pump up to 8.5-9 at max.
9 min (set of 2min cjelqs. 1min ssj. x3).
X3 sets.

Before the excercise i was around 11.3 After excercise barely 12.0. So basically same expansion as before. So far.

In addition, at today's session at the end i noticed red swolen marks on my shaft which relatively subsides after some time. (Attached pics). I don't remember having exactly marks like that in the past.

Not sure what is the root cause and how can i avoid that.
Could it be from water that was too HOT? Or the long excercise? or from combination with LM or maybe the new ADS?

By the way im on my second day with Phallosan. So far it's working fairly ok.

Thanks.

 

[oldandlively]

Update:
I have done the recommendation for the last two days.
4min pump up to 8.5-9 at max.
9 min (set of 2min cjelqs. 1min ssj. x3).
X3 sets.

Before the excercise i was around 11.3 After excercise barely 12.0. So basically same expansion as before. So far.

Keep at it for an entire week to see if reaches further expansion, or breaking through the tissue loading.

In addition, at today's session at the end i noticed red swolen marks on my shaft which relatively subsides after some time. (Attached pics). I don't remember having exactly marks like that in the past.

Not sure what is the root cause and how can i avoid that.
Could it be from water that was too HOT? Or the long excercise? or from combination with LM or maybe the new ADS?

I used to have that too. It's actually a combo of friction burn, skin thinning, and tissue expansion. Try to use low viscosity lubricant, such as olive oil, during the C-jelqs and SSJ. That will reduce the friction issue. For skin restoration, you can use coconut oil or liquid Vit E, or even organic castor oil.

ADS may be a culprit, but it's actually the friction between folding skin and silicon layer/wrapping that caused it. Friction + pressure = skin thinning. If you're using PhalloSan, that's an extender and not the ADS. If youre using the strap system for the PhalloSan Forte, that's an ADS. That's definitely the friction + pressure = skin thinning and light edema. A warm then cold then warm then cold compress, follows by liquid Vit E or castor oil will help healing it faster. I normally use red light before the castor oil to boost the healing even faster.

By the way im on my second day with Phallosan. So far it's working fairly ok.

Thanks.

It will take time brother. Observe, log, and report.

 

[trustr1]

Just want to update.
I went over my log on my phone for my SRT 5x5x3 excercise.

It seems like until Oct i was not very dedicated and consistant and i was also around 6-7inHG.
Around Oct i started to me more consistant and i was up around 8inHG.
Thats were i started seeing start of better expantion after (11.5-+ vs 11.0-11.3 before).
Around the end of Oct i had a breakthrough and i started having expantion of 12.0-12.2 after. And also started to see 11.3-5 girth also after 72 hours without girth work (in oppose to 10.5 before).

The change i have done was getting up to 9inHG. (But that was not consistant and not every session. But did on the first session i saw that expansion). But also (and i tend to think had an impact as well) ìntroduced erect c jelqs.

Another pattern i could see in my logs:

When I was doing 2 days on, 3 days off. I could see good 12.0-12.2 expansion after excercise.

But if i would do 2 days on, 1 day off, or even 2 days on, 2 days off, i got less expansion of 11.8-12.0.

And for the last month it seemed to be consistent.

What that tells us? Could it be that my body needs more healing time for better results?

 

[DLD]

Just want to update.
I went over my log on my phone for my SRT 5x5x3 excercise.

It seems like until Oct i was not very dedicated and consistant and i was also around 6-7inHG.
Around Oct i started to me more consistant and i was up around 8inHG.
Thats were i started seeing start of better expantion after (11.5-+ vs 11.0-11.3 before).
Around the end of Oct i had a breakthrough and i started having expantion of 12.0-12.2 after. And also started to see 11.3-5 girth also after 72 hours without girth work (in oppose to 10.5 before).

The change i have done was getting up to 9inHG. (But that was not consistant and not every session. But did on the first session i saw that expansion). But also (and i tend to think had an impact as well) ìntroduced erect c jelqs.

Another pattern i could see in my logs:

When I was doing 2 days on, 3 days off. I could see good 12.0-12.2 expansion after excercise.

But if i would do 2 days on, 1 day off, or even 2 days on, 2 days off, i got less expansion of 11.8-12.0.

And for the last month it seemed to be consistent.

What that tells us? Could it be that my body needs more healing time for better results?

All brothers use different rest days. 2 on 1 off should be fine but if not go to 2 on 2 off. If you start with 2 on 2 off as you progress than I would switch to 2 on 1 off. Fatigue does not mean you should break as this is expected in everyone doing pe. But if there is sharp pain then it's time to break

 

[oldandlively]

Just want to update.
I went over my log on my phone for my SRT 5x5x3 excercise.

It seems like until Oct i was not very dedicated and consistant and i was also around 6-7inHG.
Around Oct i started to me more consistant and i was up around 8inHG.
Thats were i started seeing start of better expantion after (11.5-+ vs 11.0-11.3 before).
Around the end of Oct i had a breakthrough and i started having expantion of 12.0-12.2 after. And also started to see 11.3-5 girth also after 72 hours without girth work (in oppose to 10.5 before).

The change i have done was getting up to 9inHG. (But that was not consistant and not every session. But did on the first session i saw that expansion). But also (and i tend to think had an impact as well) ìntroduced erect c jelqs.

Another pattern i could see in my logs:

When I was doing 2 days on, 3 days off. I could see good 12.0-12.2 expansion after excercise.

But if i would do 2 days on, 1 day off, or even 2 days on, 2 days off, i got less expansion of 11.8-12.0.

And for the last month it seemed to be consistent.

What that tells us? Could it be that my body needs more healing time for better results?

This is why critical observation and logs are essential in PE. PE is medical sciences. Sciences require collective data. Great job seeing the pattern brother.

It appears your body likes the relaxation for adaptation to stresses. As DLD said, not all brothers are the same. Your tissues repair a bit more slowly, but for the better. The tissues want time to create a large malleability capacity, so it desires a bit longer of a rest. Try this for a few weeks:

Start off with:
2 days on, 2 days off for one session.
2 days on, 3 days off for the second session.

Alternate to:
2 days on, 2 days off for two sessions.
2 days on, 3 days off for the 3 days off.

Then repeat again from the top. This method actually retrain your tissues to provide faster responses for healing, but at the same time, allow enough time for the rest the tissues need.

 

[DLD]

This is why critical observation and logs are essential in PE. PE is medical sciences. Sciences require collective data. Great job seeing the pattern brother.

It appears your body likes the relaxation for adaptation to stresses. As DLD said, not all brothers are the same. Your tissues repair a bit more slowly, but for the better. The tissues want time to create a large malleability capacity, so it desires a bit longer of a rest. Try this for a few weeks:

Start off with:
2 days on, 2 days off for one session.
2 days on, 3 days off for the second session.

Alternate to:
2 days on, 2 days off for two sessions.
2 days on, 3 days off for the 3 days off.

Then repeat again from the top. This method actually retrain your tissues to provide faster responses for healing, but at the same time, allow enough time for the rest the tissues need.

Excellent point!

 

[trustr1]

Interesting
Thanks!

P.s today i had the 2nd session of the two days on after the 3 days off.
I had great erection doing the c jelqs.
And the after expansion was great: 12.2-12.4cm.

My wife told me stop working on girth. It's too much already! But i think getting to 13-14cm should be minimum.

 

[oldandlively]

My wife told me stop working on girth. It's too much already! But i think getting to 13-14cm should be minimum.

Welcome to my world brother. My is literally beating me on my chest to stop me from going wild on the girth.

 

[DLD]

Welcome to my world brother. My is literally beating me on my chest to stop me from going wild on the girth.

 

[trustr1]

"Physiological indicators"

I read a post somewhere about that.
It claims that our body (penis) sending us signals all the time and we should listen to it.

Good indicators tells us to continue and that is possible to increase tension. Etc. While bad indicators tells us to slow down.

Example for good indicators. Growth. Night & morning woods.

Example for bad indicators: pain(the obvious). But also less night/morning woods.

That what i was reading.

Is that sounds accurate to you?

I started to pay attention and i did see differences in some periods or even single days that i wake up with good wood. And other days while none or almost none. And i wonder if i should try to finetune my excercises based on that.
(Other question is how can i know if i should rest from length or girth or both)

Thanks!

 

[oldandlively]

"Physiological indicators"

I read a post somewhere about that.
It claims that our body (penis) sending us signals all the time and we should listen to it.

Good indicators tells us to continue and that is possible to increase tension. Etc. While bad indicators tells us to slow down.

Example for good indicators. Growth. Night & morning woods.

Example for bad indicators: pain(the obvious). But also less night/morning woods.

That what i was reading.

Is that sounds accurate to you?

Yes, you got it. We think that our penis is detatched from our brain as it may have its own little brain down there, always thinking about sex, gets hard on its own, and does it own thing. In reality, it connects quite heavily to our brain for various things beside just procreation. Think of it as an extended sensor for your prostate, providing environmental information like your fingers and toes. Listen to it, know what it wants, and understand why. Same goes for its needs for growth.

I started to pay attention and i did see differences in some periods or even single days that i wake up with good wood. And other days while none or almost none. And i wonder if i should try to finetune my excercises based on that.
(Other question is how can i know if i should rest from length or girth or both)

Thanks!

If you have a sudden erectile quality drop in the middle of the hardness, it's another signal to rest, and back off on the intensities for a week or two. I just had my signal for backing off as well. It feels like your blood pressure just drops and your penis drops to 70% erection. An indicator that your penis has been too stressed out and need a few more days of break, and come back with light sessions.

 

[DLD]

Just like the tale that the penis brain is different than the head brain we need to pay attention more to the main brain and apply that to the penis.

 

[trustr1]

continuing with the listening topic.

When i first reintroduced LM around 3 weeks ago after a long break i could feel all my tissues are streching sooo good. It was great feeling. I also felt like my inner penis streched out. So amazing that i said to myself wow with that strech i'm definetly going to grow this time.

But recently i feel that less and less.
It's like my penis is resisting and becomes stiff (not physically, but metaphorically) and i feel almost no strech. And if i increase the tension i mainly feel pain (sharp'ish kind) in the inner penis.

I really don't go wild with the LM. I use it twice a day for 10min each. I don't apply really high force at all. I use it two or three days in a row and then one day break.

Would love your guidance.

Thanks

 

[oldandlively]

continuing with the listening topic.

When i first reintroduced LM around 3 weeks ago after a long break i could feel all my tissues are streching sooo good. It was great feeling. I also felt like my inner penis streched out. So amazing that i said to myself wow with that strech i'm definetly going to grow this time.

Exactly just that. Most brothers are too desperate to get to the length they want and lost sight of what the body actually needs. A nice long break like that will help the tissues to reset, relax, and stabilized. Like our brother kriskos indicated, a few months of relaxation from PE, his hard working results suddenly revealed the gains from all the months the gains didn't. The body must take a period of relaxation, such as when you hit a plateau, a stagnant of growth, or even a reduction of growth. We have to ease up, back up, and let everything reset, then resume like we just start out again. This prevents the body from fighting back to hinder our necessary growth, or resistance to growth. Some of us reach the point where we caused our body to resist growth so much due to the excessive work we've placed on our body, specifically, the penis.

But recently i feel that less and less.
It's like my penis is resisting and becomes stiff (not physically, but metaphorically) and i feel almost no strech. And if i increase the tension i mainly feel pain (sharp'ish kind) in the inner penis.

We tend to base our stretches on the "feel" and not on the "actual". The "feel" pushes us to go further and harder without knowing, causing us to reach the "pains". Why? Our body sent out blocking signals to the lower level of pain, and slowly, we adapted to a higher pain threshold. We keep on following that "feel" and exceed the necessary pressure and traction loads that cause our growth to fail. This is why this brotherhood reminds you to "measure and log". Measuring and logging our progress is essential so we don't base everything on our "feel". We need to be extremely careful using our "feel" to detect the level of pressure and traction we need to obtain progressive intensities.

Hope this explain the issue you're facing now.

I really don't go wild with the LM. I use it twice a day for 10min each. I don't apply really high force at all. I use it two or three days in a row and then one day break.

You're perfectly on your way brother. If you do have a fish or hanging scale with a hook, something like the SiliScale (SiliScale - Digital Tension Scale for Penis Stretchers), measure that traction load using the Length Master plates to measure where you are. Measure your traction load after a day of rest. It's much more accurate as your body tends to reset the sensation of pain blocking.

If you have any more concern, feel free to chime in at any time. We will make you grow to the objectives you want. We will work hard along side with you brother.

 

[trustr1]

Exactly just that. Most brothers are too desperate to get to the length they want and lost sight of what the body actually needs. A nice long break like that will help the tissues to reset, relax, and stabilized. Like our brother kriskos indicated, a few months of relaxation from PE, his hard working results suddenly revealed the gains from all the months the gains didn't. The body must take a period of relaxation, such as when you hit a plateau, a stagnant of growth, or even a reduction of growth. We have to ease up, back up, and let everything reset, then resume like we just start out again. This prevents the body from fighting back to hinder our necessary growth, or resistance to growth. Some of us reach the point where we caused our body to resist growth so much due to the excessive work we've placed on our body, specifically, the penis.


We tend to base our stretches on the "feel" and not on the "actual". The "feel" pushes us to go further and harder without knowing, causing us to reach the "pains". Why? Our body sent out blocking signals to the lower level of pain, and slowly, we adapted to a higher pain threshold. We keep on following that "feel" and exceed the necessary pressure and traction loads that cause our growth to fail. This is why this brotherhood reminds you to "measure and log". Measuring and logging our progress is essential so we don't base everything on our "feel". We need to be extremely careful using our "feel" to detect the level of pressure and traction we need to obtain progressive intensities.

Hope this explain the issue you're facing now.


You're perfectly on your way brother. If you do have a fish or hanging scale with a hook, something like the SiliScale (SiliScale - Digital Tension Scale for Penis Stretchers), measure that traction load using the LengthMaster plates to measure where you are. Measure your traction load after a day of rest. It's much more accurate as your body tends to reset the sensation of pain blocking.

If you have any more concern, feel free to chime in at any time. We will make you grow to the objectives you want. We will work hard along side with you brother.

Thank you very much

 

[trustr1]

Exactly just that. Most brothers are too desperate to get to the length they want and lost sight of what the body actually needs. A nice long break like that will help the tissues to reset, relax, and stabilized. Like our brother kriskos indicated, a few months of relaxation from PE, his hard working results suddenly revealed the gains from all the months the gains didn't. The body must take a period of relaxation, such as when you hit a plateau, a stagnant of growth, or even a reduction of growth. We have to ease up, back up, and let everything reset, then resume like we just start out again. This prevents the body from fighting back to hinder our necessary growth, or resistance to growth. Some of us reach the point where we caused our body to resist growth so much due to the excessive work we've placed on our body, specifically, the penis.


We tend to base our stretches on the "feel" and not on the "actual". The "feel" pushes us to go further and harder without knowing, causing us to reach the "pains". Why? Our body sent out blocking signals to the lower level of pain, and slowly, we adapted to a higher pain threshold. We keep on following that "feel" and exceed the necessary pressure and traction loads that cause our growth to fail. This is why this brotherhood reminds you to "measure and log". Measuring and logging our progress is essential so we don't base everything on our "feel". We need to be extremely careful using our "feel" to detect the level of pressure and traction we need to obtain progressive intensities.

Hope this explain the issue you're facing now.


You're perfectly on your way brother. If you do have a fish or hanging scale with a hook, something like the SiliScale (SiliScale - Digital Tension Scale for Penis Stretchers), measure that traction load using the LengthMaster plates to measure where you are. Measure your traction load after a day of rest. It's much more accurate as your body tends to reset the sensation of pain blocking.

If you have any more concern, feel free to chime in at any time. We will make you grow to the objectives you want. We will work hard along side with you brother.

I took some time to reflect on that.
So in that case i only reintroduced LM again 3 weeks ago after months without. It felt good then it stopped.
I suppose i should take another couple of months break now. Right? So i guess i might need to do some trial and error. Maybe take 3-5 days break and try again.

About the force. Tried to think but didn't figure how it's possible to weight the LM force i apply? With siliscale for example. The scale needs to be in between somewhere and im not sure how to setup that with LM. Feeling somewhat stupid

And yeah i guess i read many posts about how we should increase the tention over time and brother SIM was saying he used so much force as "like he wanted to pull his dick off". Even i knew i would never try to reach that amount of force i assumed i use low force have a long way of adding more and more force. But i guess maybe everyone is different.

 

[oldandlively]

I took some time to reflect on that.
So in that case i only reintroduced LM again 3 weeks ago after months without. It felt good then it stopped.
I suppose i should take another couple of months break now. Right? So i guess i might need to do some trial and error. Maybe take 3-5 days break and try again.

No, no. Don't take that many days off. Just keep on using the LM according to the routines. Rest based on the days of rest. When you see the length reduced in growth, reduce the length workout by easing up on the routines' total time, switch to girth. The easing out time is around a month. This is to partially cement the length gains while you refocus on the girth. Then take a break from LM while you use the pump and hands to keep your length while focus mainly on girth. A break from length can be a month to 2 months until your girth starts to slow down. What you are doing is creating an overlap of routines and not letting up on the stimulation of growth.

About the force. Tried to think but didn't figure how it's possible to weight the LM force i apply? With siliscale for example. The scale needs to be in between somewhere and im not sure how to setup that with LM. Feeling somewhat stupid

Connect the end of the scale to a sofa or a solid location. I tied mine to long rope and use my feet and hands to hold onto the rope. Use the hook end to hold onto the plates' black strap/loop. Make sure pull downwards when you measure. It's more accurate to determine the "actual" traction force in attacking the ligs and muscles. You can do the same for the BTC. It'll be difficult to look behind you but that's what your phone is for. Record mode! When you feel that tension, say, "Right there!" Or "Oooohhh yeah baby!" My wife looked at me weird when I said that , but she knew what I was doing.

And yeah i guess i read many posts about how we should increase the tention over time and brother SIM was saying he used so much force as "like he wanted to pull his dick off". Even i knew i would never try to reach that amount of force i assumed i use low force have a long way of adding more and more force. But i guess maybe everyone is different.

When you use the LM for the BTC, if you hit the right angles, the same amount of force going down will be the same amount of force for the BTC, feeling like you are ripping your penis right off. It's about searching for that effective angles. Sticking your butt out while sitting down will yield the angles to you.