Yep. Don't play with too high of a pressure. 11 and 12inHg is more than enough for you. But stop that girth growth unless you want the cemented 7in girth.
Please advice - routine and progress
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I need to just completely stop.
But it will be hard mentally.
I need to put away everything in a box and hide it for myself.
We all have to train our mind up one step at a time brother. One step at a time.
If you enter into the cylinder 80% erected, and achieve 100% erection at 10inHg, that's perfectly fine. You can even enter into the cylinder at 20% erected, but make sure to get 100% erected as you go past 5inHg. For those with ED, it's very hard to get any kind of erection at 3inHg. This is why urologist "suggests" to pump up to 5inHg and start pushing for a 100% erection. Urologists cannot tell you get erected, only "suggest".
That's fine. You can enter the cylinder a soft as spaghetti. But, make sure to push for 100% erection around 5inHg before hitting 10inHg. When you hit 5inHg, you want to feel every expansion sensation you can. Why? Reaching 100% erection from flaccid stage while you remain at 10inHg static can cause some unseen damages, especially the circumflex blood vessels. Try to reach at least 60% erection when you're at 5inHg before going up to 10inHg just to be safe.
I can. I go as long as 5 minutes now. On average, I do a 3-minute SSJ without releasing. It's hard for most. You can build up to that time. Now, I'm pushing as long as 5 minutes. I can feel the internal burn and fatigue. My arms and fingers feel like I just got out of the gym after my routine. If I have to do this multiple days in a row, I use the medical rubber constriction tape to help with blood holding. It's practically an adjustable wide cock ring.
Maintenance is so important
You're better off doing an entire routine once or 2 times a week. This will give you superior penile health.
No growth just a healthy penis for life
Slippage solutions - LengthMaster 3Will help you to clamp down all the way.
I wish you luck on that brother. Unfortunately, it's an addiction. Once you have it big, your brain chases for bigger ambitions.
Update:
LM after 1.5months doing DBS, i combined today DBS with BTCBS. not sure if it's the exact right time.
For pumping I tried the hydrovibe for maybe 4-5 times, at first i thought i came out bit bigger than without. But now im not sure. The down side (for me): 1. the vibration cause the vacuum to be released all the time so i constantly need to repump. 2. Didn't felt good at all like some review say. If anything felt like it distracting from feeling my penis (which is less safe). 3. cause knocking on my bone area. 4. Also felt like i can reach less inHG with the vibration..(feel the borderline in less pressure by 0.5inHG.)
Last session i did without HV, mostly 6.5inHG, with some of 7 inHG.
My penis shaft looks somewhat purple afterwards with some line marks (attached).
My SS is broken still waiting for a replacement. Also the area just below my glans on down side is always painful as it seems because i got fluid retention there with many straight hours of SS use.
Measurements:
Bpel still around 18.5-8.cm
Girth still 10.5cm (no girth gains at all since the beggining. :-( )
LM after 1.5months doing DBS, i combined today DBS with BTCBS. not sure if it's the exact right time.
For pumping I tried the hydrovibe for maybe 4-5 times, at first i thought i came out bit bigger than without. But now im not sure. The down side (for me): 1. the vibration cause the vacuum to be released all the time so i constantly need to repump. 2. Didn't felt good at all like some review say. If anything felt like it distracting from feeling my penis (which is less safe). 3. cause knocking on my bone area. 4. Also felt like i can reach less inHG with the vibration..(feel the borderline in less pressure by 0.5inHG.)
Last session i did without HV, mostly 6.5inHG, with some of 7 inHG.
My penis shaft looks somewhat purple afterwards with some line marks (attached).
My SS is broken still waiting for a replacement. Also the area just below my glans on down side is always painful as it seems because i got fluid retention there with many straight hours of SS use.
Measurements:
Bpel still around 18.5-8.cm
Girth still 10.5cm (no girth gains at all since the beggining. :-( )
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The lines look like the abrassive friction from the LM routine. I get that too. Try pumping only for one session and see if you get the abrasive striations at the upper pressure. If you do, that means your dermal (lower layer of the skin) is breaking and your capillaries are take a hit during the intense stretches. Take advantage of that during the damages and keep the penis wrapped/stretches in the elongated state to allow the tissue and capillaries heal at the new elongated length and girth. It will go away soon and you'll get an upgraded capillaries.
Just a warning. During these damaged and healing period, your skin will appear darker than usual due to the pigments left behind by the blood near the surface. It will go away in time. No need to freak out.
Just a warning. During these damaged and healing period, your skin will appear darker than usual due to the pigments left behind by the blood near the surface. It will go away in time. No need to freak out.
Ok. It seems to me like it would be optimal if there would be SS in size between the small and medium size.
It seems like in medium, the cup is a bit too big for my glans. Hence evem though i insert my glans as the part is twisted most lower, the suction are not optimal, so to compensate on missing glans flush the suction taking also skin beneath the glans causing fluid retention there and constant pain (even when not using). And also it seems like it cause more pressure to be put on the sleeve, which probably cause then to be ripped or bad for use pretty quickly. (Major issue btw - i replace 14$ sleeve every week best case which is terrible! And i can't use the durosleeves since if i roll them on my penis my brething stops out of the unbearable tightness and pain.
On the other hand, if i use the small size:
1. I can't squise all my glans inside while the twisted part is somewhat at the botton. So i need to twist it at least one full twist if not more to just insert the whole glans. 2. i also need to insert it in a certain way such that the very front (near the hole) is up. (And not more the back of glans as i do with medium size) - this seems to cause air bubble develop quickly (in the first day) on my glans in both or one side of the hole. It happend to me the first day of use. And i switched to medium. And yesterday i tried again the small and it happend again.
On up side, it seems to suction better, the vacuum not loose as fast as with the medium size.
Bottom line, i find myself putting too much time and energy messing with this device, a lot more that i wanted to. Unfotunately it's not simple plug and forget for me.
It seems like in medium, the cup is a bit too big for my glans. Hence evem though i insert my glans as the part is twisted most lower, the suction are not optimal, so to compensate on missing glans flush the suction taking also skin beneath the glans causing fluid retention there and constant pain (even when not using). And also it seems like it cause more pressure to be put on the sleeve, which probably cause then to be ripped or bad for use pretty quickly. (Major issue btw - i replace 14$ sleeve every week best case which is terrible! And i can't use the durosleeves since if i roll them on my penis my brething stops out of the unbearable tightness and pain.
On the other hand, if i use the small size:
1. I can't squise all my glans inside while the twisted part is somewhat at the botton. So i need to twist it at least one full twist if not more to just insert the whole glans. 2. i also need to insert it in a certain way such that the very front (near the hole) is up. (And not more the back of glans as i do with medium size) - this seems to cause air bubble develop quickly (in the first day) on my glans in both or one side of the hole. It happend to me the first day of use. And i switched to medium. And yesterday i tried again the small and it happend again.
On up side, it seems to suction better, the vacuum not loose as fast as with the medium size.
Bottom line, i find myself putting too much time and energy messing with this device, a lot more that i wanted to. Unfotunately it's not simple plug and forget for me.
I know exactly what you're talking about. When I transitioned from the 1.25in to 1.5in cup, there is a bit of room until my glans can properly fit. It fits quite well after pumping, but not so much after a good night of rest. I'm too large for the 1.25in and slightly too small for the 1.5in. The slip and slides causes edema and kinking as well.
This brought an idea up for me when I found a unique way to seal and stabilize my smaller glans in the bigger cup. I used a piece of my TheraBand to wrap around the corona of my glans, and also around the base of the glans. This increase the glans and the gentle wrap around the base also create a secondary seal and padding to prevent the slip and side effects. So far, no kinking, no pain, full seal, and my glans increased slightly during wearing the SS.
The second trick, which I don't like to do all the time, is to moderately wrap around the base of my penis. It allows the penis to remain in a slightly engorged state all day in a restrictive form. It's something like an all day after pumping girth routine while using the SS. Works great, but the wrapping and unwrapping to pee a dozen times a day is a pain in the balls. I drink a lot of water to remain hydrated for my outdoor activities, especially for the upcoming crazy heat. This is not practical.
As for the penis sleeves, the 6mm thickness at the Medium Size sleeve gets stretched like crazy with the 1.5in cup. Works great still. If I go up to Large, the sleeve is too loose to hold effect. I'm at that transitional state for the sleeve as well. Man..another 5 to 7 months before my penis can fill the 1.5in cup without any additional mod needs. I'm not about to pull out my extended and suffer the pain.
So, first project, I'm creating am insert conical seal using a soft silicone mix. It's practically a unique cock ring at the glans. I didn't get a chance to create a mold this weekends due to heat exhaustion from swing trees to trees for yard works. Crazy temperature lately. The conical seal will act as temporary girth filler during my transition from the 1.25in to 1.5in. rather than a wrap, it will be a quick slap on, push up, and seal it. Even with the size Large sleeve, it will still creat a good suction at the base of the glans. Not sure how it will fare during high movements.
Hope this gives you an idea about the padding approach.
This brought an idea up for me when I found a unique way to seal and stabilize my smaller glans in the bigger cup. I used a piece of my TheraBand to wrap around the corona of my glans, and also around the base of the glans. This increase the glans and the gentle wrap around the base also create a secondary seal and padding to prevent the slip and side effects. So far, no kinking, no pain, full seal, and my glans increased slightly during wearing the SS.
The second trick, which I don't like to do all the time, is to moderately wrap around the base of my penis. It allows the penis to remain in a slightly engorged state all day in a restrictive form. It's something like an all day after pumping girth routine while using the SS. Works great, but the wrapping and unwrapping to pee a dozen times a day is a pain in the balls. I drink a lot of water to remain hydrated for my outdoor activities, especially for the upcoming crazy heat. This is not practical.
As for the penis sleeves, the 6mm thickness at the Medium Size sleeve gets stretched like crazy with the 1.5in cup. Works great still. If I go up to Large, the sleeve is too loose to hold effect. I'm at that transitional state for the sleeve as well. Man..another 5 to 7 months before my penis can fill the 1.5in cup without any additional mod needs. I'm not about to pull out my extended and suffer the pain.
So, first project, I'm creating am insert conical seal using a soft silicone mix. It's practically a unique cock ring at the glans. I didn't get a chance to create a mold this weekends due to heat exhaustion from swing trees to trees for yard works. Crazy temperature lately. The conical seal will act as temporary girth filler during my transition from the 1.25in to 1.5in. rather than a wrap, it will be a quick slap on, push up, and seal it. Even with the size Large sleeve, it will still creat a good suction at the base of the glans. Not sure how it will fare during high movements.
Hope this gives you an idea about the padding approach.
Man
That is really great.
Comforting to know im not the only one.
I will use your tips and will see how that goes.
Thank you for your guidance and motivation
He is a great help!
Hi
So i wonder. What is wrong with me? Or what am i doing wrong?
2 months ago i measured 18.6cm bpel (some 0.5cm gain) and today i exactly measure the same even i do LM and SS for 10 hours a day.
I also do BM for around 3 months now (and before i did air pumping for couple of months). But i have gained absolutely nothing in girth! Since the beginning. Currently im at 6.5-7inHG.
I have read here and on other forums on members that gain both girth and length fron BM alone. Even sim wrote he gained i think 1-2" in length only from pumping in the same time.
I read on members that are able to get such expantion in pump that they fill the pump width which im not even closed to that.
So im asking again, what am i doing wrong?
Thank you
So i wonder. What is wrong with me? Or what am i doing wrong?
2 months ago i measured 18.6cm bpel (some 0.5cm gain) and today i exactly measure the same even i do LM and SS for 10 hours a day.
I also do BM for around 3 months now (and before i did air pumping for couple of months). But i have gained absolutely nothing in girth! Since the beginning. Currently im at 6.5-7inHG.
I have read here and on other forums on members that gain both girth and length fron BM alone. Even sim wrote he gained i think 1-2" in length only from pumping in the same time.
I read on members that are able to get such expantion in pump that they fill the pump width which im not even closed to that.
So im asking again, what am i doing wrong?
Thank you
Ah, you might be hitting the first set of plateau. This means your body is adapting to both the traction force and the lower pressure.
For Length Master, I don't know where you are at in terms of traction force (weight base). That will be hard to tell. As long as you pull until you get that dull achy feeling to the slight discomfort, that is the target zone.
As for BM routine, increase the dynamic pressures from 6.5inHg as your lower limit to 8inHg as your upper limit for creeping. If you still don't feel that achy internal expansion, you may have to creep up toward 8.5 and 9inHg.
You are at a growth and adaptive phases in the PE. You need to switch from slow static and low dynamic routines to aggressive and high dynamic routines.
Let's break down on the specifics of your LM and BM routines so we can figure things out.
For Length Master, I don't know where you are at in terms of traction force (weight base). That will be hard to tell. As long as you pull until you get that dull achy feeling to the slight discomfort, that is the target zone.
As for BM routine, increase the dynamic pressures from 6.5inHg as your lower limit to 8inHg as your upper limit for creeping. If you still don't feel that achy internal expansion, you may have to creep up toward 8.5 and 9inHg.
You are at a growth and adaptive phases in the PE. You need to switch from slow static and low dynamic routines to aggressive and high dynamic routines.
Let's break down on the specifics of your LM and BM routines so we can figure things out.
Incorrect.
Sorry.
Maybe i mis read.
I remember your newbie post where you declared significant gain from BM alone. Which hugegirth told you it's impossible and must be temporarly gains. But again maybe i missed something there.
Girth gains. I kept my gains.
Great.
Thank you for correcting me.
But same point. I havn't gained even 1mm in girth. (At least not that i was able to measure. My wife thinks i got wider)
Sorry for not going back and rereading this thread.
But what technics are you using?
Yes you can increase the width really easy with a wide Bathmate pump. This is why I recommend to go back and fort between a snug pump/cylinder and a wide pump/cylinder.
You will then be able to gain faster because you will force the expansion throughout/up your shaft. Start the session on set 1 with a narrow cylinder, then use a wider cylinder on set 2 to force extreme expansion and then go back to a more snug pump/cylinder. This technique worked for me.
Thanks. That sounds really intersting technique.
I have the regular BM extreme. Not the wide boy.. but its too wide for me anyway.
I also have the mityvac which is much narrower. So you say i should combine the sets between the two?
The only problem is that i can't use mityvac with water as you know.. so im not sure how to do that.
(Maybe use the comfort insert of BM to mimic narrower cylinder?)
For girth. im doing regular SRT 5X5X3. With ssj and BM. Currently at 7inHG.
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High dynamic for LM is pull to downwards and backwards between and behind the butt cheeks until you feel a dull, achy, uncomfortable feeling. It's like your entire penis, from the very deep inside of the penis to the entire length of the penis is being rugged to the point of uprooting. There should not be a painful feeling along the entire penis. Just that achy uncomfortable feeling. If you feel the pain is around and on the glans, you wrapped it incorrectly. Once you feel that achy full feeling at the specific angles during the downwards and backwards pull, push back a little more until you reach that hint of slight pain, hold for 10 to 15 seconds, and release back to the dull achy feeling. Back and forth, back and forth every 1 minute. This is dynamic pulling, similar to the pumping. You'll be surprised how many extra inches you pull can in addition to your erected length. Mine is close to 2.5in extra without bundling, and 1.5in with bundling.
I really suprprised that you of all people ask me that question. Since you could not make it work yourself. And needed a bigger tank.
Is someone else writing on your behalf?
Okay I understand now, sorry didn't mean anything by my question. I just wanted to understand.I really suprprised that you of all people ask me that question. Since you could not make it work yourself. And needed a bigger tank.
Is someone else writing on your behalf?
I thought you didn't had the access or something to pump with water. Personally I live by myself and I need to occupy the shower for some time during my routines, so this was the reason to my question. I don't believe I would be able to water pump If I didn't lived by myself.
My suggestion is that you create a bigger water trap. It will be so much easier to water pump with: MityVac Hydro-Vac Penis Pump that way. You will experience no limitations.
I'm soon going to send the bluprints to DLD so this kit (bigger water trap) will be up on the shop to be bought. But there is some time before that will happen.
I'm the only one that has access to this account.
Sorry I write on multiple threads, so I didn't connect you to the previous conversations we had.
But I see now.
But I see now.
Thanks. All good man
Yes. I definately wait for a bigger water trap. Maybe i will just invest the energy in it so as to build one myself. But now im really wondering if the too wide cylider of BM (relativeltly to me) might be the thing that holds me back..
Not in my opinion. To wide pump is good with Bathmate. Their sizes options are also limited.Thanks. All good man
Yes. I definately wait for a bigger water trap. Maybe i will just invest the energy in it so as to build one myself. But now im really wondering if the too wide cylider of BM (relativeltly to me) might be the thing that holds me back..
I was going back and forth between Hydromax 5 and HydroXtreme 7 Wide Boy to get my first gains. But before that I only was using Hydromax 5 without the comfort insert. I never used the comfort insert. Hydromax 5 was really wide and long for me in the beginning. Funny to look back and realize you have maxed it out completely.
Pumping with Bathmate are a little bit different then MityVac. The suction and expansion are happening a little bit different. I can't explain it. But it's very close to each other when you pump with water. But due to the wide pumps you can force alot more width expansion.
You handle all things wi t h graceNot in my opinion. To wide pump is good with Bathmate. Their sizes options are also limited.
I was going back and forth between Hydromax 5 and HydroXtreme 7 Wide Boy to get my first gains. But before that I only was using Hydromax 5 without the comfort insert. I never used the comfort insert. Hydromax 5 was really wide and long for me in the beginning. Funny to look back and realize you have maxed it out completely.
Pumping with Bathmate are a little bit different then MityVac. The suction and expansion are happening a little bit different. I can't explain it. But it's very close to each other when you pump with water. But due to the wide pumps you can force alot more width expansion.
I wonder if there are inportant breaks to take? I don't mean the one day off every 2-3 days. But more significant breaks.
Since i started PE maybe a year ago i almost didn't take breaks. And i wonder if this also not holding me back..
Just run into this post:
Post in thread 'The Long Game: Learning with Longstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth' https://mattersofsize.com/threads/t...to-make-sustained-growth.1819659/post-1860656
I also wonder if the fact that im a very very stressful person, not affect it as well for the bad. For example for the reverse kegel thing, you actually say that in order to let the penis grow and not develop resistence you need to let go. But im naturally very tight and not letting go. So i believe i also do it with my penis while its under strech.
Since i started PE maybe a year ago i almost didn't take breaks. And i wonder if this also not holding me back..
Just run into this post:
Post in thread 'The Long Game: Learning with Longstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth' https://mattersofsize.com/threads/t...to-make-sustained-growth.1819659/post-1860656
I also wonder if the fact that im a very very stressful person, not affect it as well for the bad. For example for the reverse kegel thing, you actually say that in order to let the penis grow and not develop resistence you need to let go. But im naturally very tight and not letting go. So i believe i also do it with my penis while its under strech.
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Yes, there is importance at times to take a long break from PE, but not completely off. Continual PE can cause tissues to become more dense. Soft tissues can indeed be more dense and less responsive to growth. Take a break by easing off the PE to once every few weeks help to soften the dense tissues back to softer tissues as they relaxed, or common term is degenerate. I can be as short as 9 months, or it can be as long as 10 years.
What's holding back your growth is not the dense tissues, but the attach approaches. Your body will force itself into a protective state at times if you go into too hard and too fast. During the plateau periods, you reprogram your brain and tissues differently. Rather than just going more aggressive, you approach it at an angle of apply more flexibility. Contortion, bending, flexing, and lower and longer period of traction. When your tissues are primed and you notice the tissues willingness to grow, you attack it with aggressive routines.
I took a rest for 1 month last year and my length was exploding becouse of it. But I had been stretching really hard for months at that point.
Reverse Kegels are only used in penis enlargement when you are stretching.
Just mention that I never had a plateau when I was gaining length. It's possible but it was some hard shit, to make it happen.
Reverse for stretching during length work kegels during girth work
Did you grew during the break? Or during the return to PE after the break?
I measured after the break and I was longer.
I only did maintenance during that month.
I have some great news.
I bought 2l water tank for the mityvac pump. And men its finally working with water!
Today after some break (week or two) from pumping. I started round one narrow mityvac cylinder 6inhg.
2nd and 3rd round with BM wider cylinder 6.5-8inhg dynamic.
The great part is my normal girth is 10.5cm and the girth after srt 5x5x3 was almost 12cm!! That's huge for me.
I expiriment with srt 5x5x3 for around 5months and i never had such significant change after the workout. So we can say that now i started!
I dont know if thats because the switching between cylinders or the fact that i reach almost 8inhg (as opposed to 7.) Or the break i had. But men it is awesome!! Even my wife was shocked.
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Very nice. You got the Cole-Palmer 2L model. @DLD Something to think about stocking as offered "upgrade". Buy by itself and shipping can be very expensive. But large bulk can save the brotherhood quite a bit.
Let us know how it turns out for you. I hate getting up and dump every half to full set of pumping. 16oz is way too small. 2L is the perfect size.
Let us know how it turns out for you. I hate getting up and dump every half to full set of pumping. 16oz is way too small. 2L is the perfect size.
Actually i bought something else from amazon. Same idea.. Since cole palmer didn't seem to ship worldwide.
Thank you!
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