I tried 20 some years ago to do a manual routine and failed miserably. Mainly because I felt like this could never work. After lurking here off and on for a while I have decided to give this a real go. I just ordered the Lenghmaster, [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Forte[/words], and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words]. These tools just make sense and will make it easier. I remember my grip dying when trying to do manuals when I was a teen. I plan on documenting this entire process but only posting the whole experience once I have reached my goal. 2 to 2.5 inches is my goal for length improvement. Girth I will be happy with whatever happens. The information available on this site is very encouraging. Looking forward to this journey.
 
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Stakada;736721 said:
I tried 20 some years ago to do a manual routine and failed miserably. Mainly because I felt like this could never work. After lurking here off and on for a while I have decided to give this a real go. I just ordered the Lenghmaster, [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Forte[/words], and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words]. These tools just make sense and will make it easier. I remember my grip dying when trying to do manuals when I was a teen. I plan on documenting this entire process but only posting the whole experience once I have reached my goal. 2 to 2.5 inches is my goal for length improvement. Girth I will be happy with whatever happens. The information available on this site is very encouraging. Looking forward to this journey.

So much has changed in the last 10 years it is crazy. So many men back then never really gained and gave up since the gains would not come. It seemed that some men just did not respond to manual work like others so I would have to work with men really hard sometimes to get them to keep on going. As equipment became available men, who never gained before, started to gain. I was still kind of bias towards manual and the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] as that was my deal but them the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words], The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], they all changed the game. If I had a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] I know my girth would have exploded so much sooner. I struggled hard with girth and it took me many years to get where I am. Today people see these gains so much faster. I am happy you found us and are giving it another go! You deserve the gains!
 
Update - Ordered the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] Sunday and it arrived today in Indiana USA. Pretty impressed with the shipping speed. Did a session of 5-5x3 and was impressed. I felt the comfort ring was very uncomfortable for trying any of the stretches so next time I am going to try it witout the comfort ring and see if that helps. I can tell that for me having a erection for that entire time is going to be an issue. I am not willing to look at adult entertainment as it was a negative in my marriage and I have gone a long time without looking at any. Avoiding adult entertainment has improved my relationship with my wife as well as made for better sex. She is willing to help me keep a erection though so lets hope that we can make it work. I was wondering about using a cock ring during the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] session to maintain a erection. Is that safe?

Got the notice my [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] was shipped today. So should have two of the pieces (phallosan and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words]) this week. Have not heard if the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] has shipped
 
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doublelongdaddy;736777 said:
So much has changed in the last 10 years it is crazy. So many men back then never really gained and gave up since the gains would not come. It seemed that some men just did not respond to manual work like others so I would have to work with men really hard sometimes to get them to keep on going. As equipment became available men, who never gained before, started to gain. I was still kind of bias towards manual and the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] as that was my deal but them the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words], The [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words], they all changed the game. If I had a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] I know my girth would have exploded so much sooner. I struggled hard with girth and it took me many years to get where I am. Today people see these gains so much faster. I am happy you found us and are giving it another go! You deserve the gains!

Also there was not anywhere near the evidence that it could work. I had some odd manual that I bought off the internet during dial up days that I found. It had all the manual stretches and jelq's but you had always heard you couldn't lengthen your penis so I never gave it a serious shot. Here you can see tons of people who have been successful. There is hard evidence now this works. And the tools make it more accessible in my opinion. But seeing people that have actually made this work on this forum is a huge reason I am back at it.
 
Stakada;736834 said:
Update - Ordered the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] Sunday and it arrived today in Indiana USA. Pretty impressed with the shipping speed. Did a session of 5-5x3 and was impressed. I felt the comfort ring was very uncomfortable for trying any of the stretches so next time I am going to try it witout the comfort ring and see if that helps. I can tell that for me having a erection for that entire time is going to be an issue. I am not willing to look at adult entertainment as it was a negative in my marriage and I have gone a long time without looking at any. Avoiding adult entertainment has improved my relationship with my wife as well as made for better sex. She is willing to help me keep a erection though so lets hope that we can make it work. I was wondering about using a cock ring during the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] session to maintain a erection. Is that safe?

Got the notice my [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] was shipped today. So should have two of the pieces (phallosan and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words]) this week. Have not heard if the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] has shipped

Can you please have your wife talk to my wife? It sounds like she is 100% on board with your journey which makes things so much easier. Mine knows I'm doing PE but doesn't know to what extent and doesn't care for it at all.

These guys here at super helpful. I saw gains at 3 months because of this place.

Others have said you can use a cock ring in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words]. I need to get one to help with my erection during [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] work. I notice a difference when I'm able to stay erect the whole time vs only semi erect.
 
Phallosan [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]forte[/words] just came in. I ordered it Sunday and it came on Wendsday. This thing is going to take some getting used to. When using the medium bell and medium sleeve my glans slips out of the bell when I sit down. I tried the medium bell and the small sleeve and it seems to work well but omg is it painful to get off. The sleeve grabs my glans and its quite painful to get off. So more experimentation is needed.
 
Update on the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words]. The small sleeve and medium bell could easily be classified as a torture device for me when trying to take it off. I had bought a silicone sleeve thinking it may come in handy for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] as a wrap. So I cut that and used it as a sleeve and it worked fantastic. It also cushioned the base of my penis against the doughnut. I think this is the ticket for me and the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words].
 
cladre60;736837 said:
Can you please have your wife talk to my wife? It sounds like she is 100% on board with your journey which makes things so much easier. Mine knows I'm doing PE but doesn't know to what extent and doesn't care for it at all.

Fortunately she is supportive. Ive noticed women are strange creatures at times. Mine is fine with pe. But is actually not very supportive when I try to lose weight. She will buy me pies and chocolate candy if I start eating really clean. I'm determined to lose weight and pe this time though.
 
Show her the difference between your EL and BPEL and tell her that losing a little weight will help you be longer. It's instant PE!

If I could understand and explain women I'd be a) surrounded by hot, naked, horny and willing women constantly and b) be a billionaire cause men would pay me tons for the secrets.
 
cladre60;736905 said:
Show her the difference between your EL and BPEL and tell her that losing a little weight will help you be longer. It's instant PE!

If I could understand and explain women I'd be a) surrounded by hot, naked, horny and willing women constantly and b) be a billionaire cause men would pay me tons for the secrets.

I understand woman what do you want to know?
 
quazimodo_007;736915 said:
I understand woman what do you want to know?

No man understands women. It's impossible. Just when you think you have them figured out they do the exact opposite. It's because they only have 1 head to think with therfore they lack the logic we have.
 
cladre60;736934 said:
No man understands women. It's impossible. Just when you think you have them figured out they do the exact opposite. It's because they only have 1 head to think with therfore they lack the logic we have.

I have no understanding of women, I forgot about all that years and today I am clueless. I rarely even talk with a woman. It is not that I do not like women or I am gay, it is simply because I can not relate. It feels really good to do things for myself. When I was with Jen I did everything for her and I really became a mess because of that. Today it is JC and me!
 
Got the Lenghmaster and I have to say getting the wrap down is proving to be quite difficult. Everything seems to kill my glans. Will keep at it.
 
cladre60;736934 said:
No man understands women. It's impossible. Just when you think you have them figured out they do the exact opposite. It's because they only have 1 head to think with therfore they lack the logic we have.

No, woman love drama, but this is a spectrum of watching dramas to literally arguing for no good reason and literally creating drama.
 
Stakada;737756 said:
Got the Lenghmaster and I have to say getting the wrap down is proving to be quite difficult. Everything seems to kill my glans. Will keep at it.

Have you checked out the Wrapping Forum and Video Vault? If not, do so, it will make the learning process much easier!
 
Yes I have tried a few methods. Alot of the videos in the vault are no longer working. Honestly if they could be removed it would clear alot of clutter. I have managed one wrap where it didnt hurt but I havent been able to replicate it.
 
I think I figured out my wrap. two 1.5 inch wide strips of self adhesive sports wrap 12 inches long wrapped around my penis, followed by a gauze pad cut to 3 inches wide wrapped around my penis twice, followed by 1 more layer of sports adhesive wrap on top of the gauze pad to tighten it up. This didnt slip and was very comfortable while allowing for some super powerful stretches. There is some discomfort of feeling like your penis is in a vise (duh it is) but honestly it feels kinda good. But no discomfort on the head and that is what I couldnt handle. I also moved it further down my shaft so I think it was 1/8 of a inch or so away from my head. I was getting concerned that I would need to buy a LG hanger and use it with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] for stretching. But this new wrap seems to be the ticket.

Holy crap if this stretch doesn't lengthen the penis over time nothing will. So now I am building up to 11 hours in the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] and working on mastering all the techniques with the lenghmaster and soon I will be starting my full routine. I'm really impressed with the lenghmaster.

I am tempted to take my dremel and round the leading edge of the lenghmaster clamping area where the rubber pad adheres at and make a non sharp edge there. But we will see.
 
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Subbed for when I get an [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]
 
DLD is there a description anywhere for the 5 min bundled stretches to warm up with before your regular stretches? I assume you twist both ways but what angles do you hit it at. Also in between sets for regular stretching do you take a break or move right into the second set? With the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] I don't need to rest my hands so I was curious if a rest was needed.
 
My [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] routine goes from Bundled BTC's with a left twist and right twist...alternating every 5 minutes until I've completed 30 minutes total. EZPZ while watching TV
 
Big Schwanz Acht;737929 said:
My [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] routine goes from Bundled BTC's with a left twist and right twist...alternating every 5 minutes until I've completed 30 minutes total. EZPZ while watching TV

I need to get one of these. Seems like gains would be easier and it would help on my rotator cuff.
 
Stakada;737926 said:
DLD is there a description anywhere for the 5 min bundled stretches to warm up with before your regular stretches? I assume you twist both ways but what angles do you hit it at. Also in between sets for regular stretching do you take a break or move right into the second set? With the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words] I don't need to rest my hands so I was curious if a rest was needed.

Bundles are simply twisting your penis like a cork screw and stretching it. It is best done with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] but it can also be done by hand.
 
Did my first full session with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words]. About 8 minutes of bundled stretches and then the full 3 set routine from the newbie guide. First wrap for the bundled stretches was awesome and super comfortable. I took it off to recirculate my penis and re wrapped for the standard stretches and that wasnt as comfortable. Pulling on my glans. Tried to redo it twice and didnt really improve it. But I got through the routine. Crazy powerful stretches without any effort or fatigue of my hands. I may try my rounding off the edge mod. The way the lenghmaster clamps is not evenly across the penis length, it clamps harder at the head due to the bolts being out in front of where the penis sits. So im thinking if that Edge is rounded it shouldnt cut so hard.
 
Got my first little "injury" today after my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Lengthmaster[/words] session. About 3 little purple spots on my glans. Everything is fine I assume that it isn't a big deal after reading its common. Just strange the first time you see it. Should I let them go away before I continue?
 
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Just wanted to say I tried KingD's wrap for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Lengthmaster[/words] and cant get over how comfortable this is. I am super pumped. It was effortless and pain free with tons of grip. Thanks KingD
 
Stakada;738081 said:
Just wanted to say I tried KingD's wrap for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Lengthmaster[/words] and cant get over how comfortable this is. I am super pumped. It was effortless and pain free with tons of grip. Thanks KingD

What a bright day it is when you learn to wrap the right way! So happy you have mastered wrapping now master the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words]!
 
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