I told everyone not to post products in the main forum! PLEASE READ!

[DLD]

I made an announcement last month that no PE products that we have no approved to be posted in the PE products and reviews. I will delete any thread that does not follow these rules. If you continue to do so I will ban. This is no a marketplace for people to promote what they want to promote. It takes a great deal of negotiation before I allow any product. Keep the products in the PE products and reviews or they will be deleted.

DLD

 

[templnite]

Mike I've been tell'em for thousands of years, but they don't respect the brotherhood's integrity. I don't want to see mentioned anything that isn't officially in the brotherhood such as the 'penilizer', or 'miracle slider [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]'.

I'll altruistically shelter you in my home. I'll clothe you, let you eat my food, but the second you want to get political, and make your own rules its all over! :blush:

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[youknowme123321]

I made an announcement last month that no PE products that we have no approved to be posted in the PE products and reviews. I will delete any thread that does not follow these rules. If you continue to do so I will ban. This is no a marketplace for people to promote what they want to promote. It takes a great deal of negotiation before I allow any product. Keep the products in the PE products and reviews or they will be deleted.

DLD

Interesting. I didn't see your post a month ago. ANy forum can set forth their own desired rules and I will respect that DLD. This is surprising for me to see here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words].

Are the only tools allowed to be discussed outside of the PE Products and Review category tools that [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is affiliated with? Or is there a list of approved tools that are open to be discussed freely throughout the forum without restriction?

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Thousands of years LOL

 

[huge-girth]

Only tools that [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is affiliated with.

 

[pogzee]

DLD if i need to ask about a product whether someone thread has tried or no...can i post a thread about that ?

 

[runningignus]

You can talk about whatever you want as long as it's in the designated forum for products and review. If it's not affiliated than its not trusted. Just because someone says they're good don't mean jack squat. Gets harder and harder to help people when information is getting jumbled around. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] isn't making bank off these products, they're just trusted for their customer help. Anybody and their momma can sell something, 10 people sell the same [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], but only one will hold up to their warranty. We're here to help each other, if a product comes out, we'll review, then decide, not promote whatever jumps out the woodworks. I think when we open any forum, there should be a thread stating those confirmations, simple as read the rules you know.

 

[templnite]

DLD if i need to ask about a product whether someone thread has tried or no...can i post a thread about that ?

The problem is promoting strange products. Take for example ykm that always names unapproved equipment. Any new guys coming in need to know ykm reviews the website is not endorsed by the brotherhood. Dld, and the mods would never mislead you to buying an unsafe product such as the LG hanger/vac-hanger which already injured a few people just this month.

 

[youknowme123321]

The problem is promoting strange products. Take for example ykm that always names unapproved equipment. Any new guys coming in need to know ykm reviews the website is not endorsed by the brotherhood. Dld, and the mods would never mislead you to buying an unsafe product such as the LG hanger/vac-hanger which already injured a few people just this month.

So b/c kingsnake reported some blood from his urethra you feel like saying those products are unsafe? By your standard every PE product is unsafe and should be avoided and not affiliated with any forums. Funny how you latch onto a simple rare negative bit of information and ignore many positive reviews of tools. That is the definition of shill behavior.

All PE tools can cause injury. And all PE tools can be used safely and easily. You're very biased in what you share...weird. You should look into the history of tools that [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is affiliated with and they rightfully should be b/c they can be and those products can be used safely. I added some links below quickly to help a bit but search the internet and you can find varying severity of injuries from pumps to compression style hangers to [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] to men using their hands.

Now unlike you just b/c some people shared injuries I won't go and call these penis tools unsafe. Just b/c a guy gets into a situation where he can't remove his noose/strap style [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and experiences discoloration/numbness/varying discomfort for days to follow the incident I won't say a man should never use an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] or that a certain brand of [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] should not be used b/c they could possibly hurt themselves. I won't tell men not to use [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] or [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penomet[/words] products b/c pumps are the most commonly reported PE tools to cause varying degrees of injury. I won't tell men not to use hangers whether compression or vac style b/c men have reported negative effects resulting from using hangers as well. And just so you know more reports of negative effects from compression style hangers/stretchers/extenders exist then vacuum style but this is related to the fact that compression style hangers have been more commonly used and have been around longer.

Injuries most commonly occur b/c men go to hard to quick. They want gains fast and advance to quickly. This does not make any PE tools are unsafe to use.

Make sure when you mention me and my site you say that I am not affiliated with any tools sold on my site and therefore have no financial gains to make from a positive review. And that most of my videos are not reviews but are how to videos that were made to help men use whatever PE tool they have more easily. I don't recommend SWM's malehanger2 often but I have a video available for men to watch that shows them how I wrap comfortably and hang weights from it. I don't think anyone should spend money on a X4 but I have a videos showing how to wrap using the X4 labs materials and one showing how I do it with other materials. So make sure you share how my site holds no bias and whether what I say goes with or against others beliefs/opinions that I am sharing honest information that is based off of EXPERIENCE with all of these tools I talk about. Unlike you tempinite, who shares information with little to no experience and a ridiculous amount of bias making your opinion less trustworthy.

Just b/c tools aren't affiliated with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] doesn't mean they are strange.

Good Looking Loser Online Forum: Bleeding in [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words], help! (1/3)

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...leeding-after-using-bathmate-help-please.html

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...athmate-the-other-day-not-worried-though.html

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...bathmate-and-have-big-blood-blister-help.html

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/67125-meatus-prone-to-injury.html

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...nis-extender-horror-story-what-not-to-do.html

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...cs-base-ball-pain-fix-extreme-discomfort.html

I even found a post when SWM recommends Max Vac hangers and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] calling them excellent in post #4 and #6. Of course opinions can change as more experience is gained and I'm sure he couldn't get up to the same high weights he has shared using with compression hangers but it was just good to see he had previously had a positive experience with these types of tools.

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...anging-related-injuries-report-them-here.html

 

[templnite]

Look bruh there's no use in trying to justify your personal interests. No promoting of outside products, and that's final !

 

[youknowme123321]

Look bruh there's no use in trying to justify your personal interests. No promoting of outside products, and that's final !

Hey shill,

Tell me and everyone else what my personal interests are? I'm guessing you won't b/c you won't have any to share. Or you will make up some lies that I will prove wrong.

The way I "promote" or share information is much different then how affiliated sites do, lil shill bruh (tkto/ADF). [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] promotes tools b/c they believe in those tools and are affiliated. PEgym promotes tools b/c they believe in those tools and b/c they are affiliated. And they are affiliated b/c they believe in those tools. These forums provide direct links to purchase tools. As they should. If they believe in a product it's great they are able to make some financial return from it. The unfortunate side of that is it makes opinions come or seem to come with bias. This is the only reason I turned down affiliations with PE tool companies. The money you can make is actually REALLY REALLY good.

My sharing of PE tool information ("promoting") is different then the promotion the forums such as [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] or PEgym do. My information is based only use of the tools. Every bit of help and information you give is based on what you have read of other men's experiences with PE. Correct me if I'm wrong.

So as I have always I will share information about tools based on my experienced opinion with no bias. But only where allowed of course
[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] mods are going to be moving a lot of threads to the allowed section b/c men will talk about other tools and have no idea they can't.

 

[kyomoto]

Look bruh there's no use in trying to justify your personal interests. No promoting of outside products, and that's final !

youknowme, lol.... templnite is in the illuminati and only promotes things that helps the website. Promoting only for the self is wrong. But it is good we can at least post products that aren't used commonly in a sub section.

Gives us a bit of freedom, but I don't like how some people who believe they have authority to speak over a product they haven't even used and criticize it. Please don't let that be the case DLD.

I'd like to see new products that aren't affiliated with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] to give those people a chance and see what new products are good that don't just help pay for you and the people running the forum.

I understand this is a business but we need to have some interest in new products or uncommon ones.

 

[youknowme123321]

youknowme, lol.... templnite is in the illuminati and only promotes things that helps the website. Promoting only for the self is wrong. But it is good we can at least post products that aren't used commonly in a sub section.

Gives us a bit of freedom, but I don't like how some people who believe they have authority to speak over a product they haven't even used and criticize it. Please don't let that be the case DLD.

I'd like to see new products that aren't affiliated with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] to give those people a chance and see what new products are good that don't just help pay for you and the people running the forum.

I understand this is a business but we need to have some interest in new products or uncommon ones.

lol. I agree with you. I know he is tkto/ADF. Previously banned members who acted the exact way he does. Type the same way. Use emojis.

 

[DLD]

Interesting. I didn't see your post a month ago. ANy forum can set forth their own desired rules and I will respect that DLD. This is surprising for me to see here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words].

Are the only tools allowed to be discussed outside of the PE Products and Review category tools that [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is affiliated with? Or is there a list of approved tools that are open to be discussed freely throughout the forum without restriction?

I could give 2 fucks what you think. If you break the rules I will ban you. And do not make this look like I do not allow products to be posted, read the thread again!

 

[DLD]

MOS mods are going to be moving a lot of threads to the allowed section b/c men will talk about other tools and have no idea they can't.

Actually they will not have to, if the rule is broken and a warning is given and they offend again they will be banned.

 

[DLD]

youknowme, lol.... templnite is in the illuminati and only promotes things that helps the website. Promoting only for the self is wrong. But it is good we can at least post products that aren't used commonly in a sub section.

Gives us a bit of freedom, but I don't like how some people who believe they have authority to speak over a product they haven't even used and criticize it. Please don't let that be the case DLD.

I'd like to see new products that aren't affiliated with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] to give those people a chance and see what new products are good that don't just help pay for you and the people running the forum.

I understand this is a business but we need to have some interest in new products or uncommon ones.

I guess you did not read the thread we made last month. There is absolutely no restrictions on posting products if they are posted in the right forum. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] will not be a prostitute for other products. If you find a product that you feel will be beneficial to the Brotherhood post it in the PE Products Review section and if there is enough support behind it I will invite them to be a partner. We put our partners through the most strict vetting before they become an affiliate. We require special pricing, a representative on the forum to answer questions and a warranty and product that are solid. When people make posts about other products in the wrong forum it makes it appear that we support this and then when someone gets hurt or the product does not work they come after [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. This rule is very simple and for very good reason. I have protected the integrity of the Brotherhood for 14 years and I am not about to stop!

 

[DLD]

So b/c kingsnake reported some blood from his urethra you feel like saying those products are unsafe? By your standard every PE product is unsafe and should be avoided and not affiliated with any forums. Funny how you latch onto a simple rare negative bit of information and ignore many positive reviews of tools. That is the definition of shill behavior.

You know what, by my standards and the rest of the Brotherhood! We do not ignore good products, why the fuck do you think we have products? If you can't understand this go try to start a forum again. You have already blemished the Brotherhood, you will not do this again. If you continue to try to divide this Brotherhood you will be gone for good. If you even MENTION the slider [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], which is incredibly dangerous, I will ban you. I think you have something going with slider [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. And LIGHTNINg and I have warned you about that in the past. I am watching every move you make, one more political, bullshit, divisional posts you gone for good.

 

[DLD]

Now unlike you just b/c some people shared injuries I won't go and call these penis tools unsafe. Just b/c a guy gets into a situation where he can't remove his noose/strap style [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] and experiences discoloration/numbness/varying discomfort for days to follow the incident I won't say a man should never use an [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] or that a certain brand of [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] should not be used b/c they could possibly hurt themselves. I won't tell men not to use [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] or [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penomet[/words] products b/c pumps are the most commonly reported PE tools to cause varying degrees of injury. I won't tell men not to use hangers whether compression or vac style b/c men have reported negative effects resulting from using hangers as well. And just so you know more reports of negative effects from compression style hangers/stretchers/extenders exist then vacuum style but this is related to the fact that compression style hangers have been more commonly used and have been around longer.

Stillwantmore is a partner here, he is one of our affiliates. Know what you are talking about before you make ignorant comments!

 

[DLD]

You can talk about whatever you want as long as it's in the designated forum for products and review. If it's not affiliated than its not trusted. Just because someone says they're good don't mean jack squat. Gets harder and harder to help people when information is getting jumbled around. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] isn't making bank off these products, they're just trusted for their customer help. Anybody and their momma can sell something, 10 people sell the same [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], but only one will hold up to their warranty. We're here to help each other, if a product comes out, we'll review, then decide, not promote whatever jumps out the woodworks. I think when we open any forum, there should be a thread stating those confirmations, simple as read the rules you know.

Thank you for REALLY understanding.

 

[DLD]

DLD if i need to ask about a product whether someone thread has tried or no...can i post a thread about that ?

Yes you can, just use the proper forums. This rant also has to do with other things that are posted in the wrong place.

 

[DLD]

Only tools that [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is affiliated with.

In the proper forums. So [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] posts go in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] forum, [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] posts go in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] forum, new products go in the PE Products and Reviews, etc.

 

[DLD]

This is surprising for me to see here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words].

What surprises you? These rules have been in place for more than a decade.

 

[DLD]

Mike I've been tell'em for thousands of years, but they don't respect the brotherhood's integrity. I don't want to see mentioned anything that isn't officially in the brotherhood such as the 'penilizer', or 'miracle slider [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]'.

I'll altruistically shelter you in my home. I'll clothe you, let you eat my food, but the second you want to get political, and make your own rules its all over! :blush:

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You understand and I appreciate that.

 

[DLD]

Let me pose this question; If you owned a coffee shop would you want other coffee sellers to come into your shop and sell their wares?

 

[DLD]

And don't bring KingSnake into this, he does not sell his hanger, he gives direction to make it for free.

 

[DLD]

Let me add this to the original post. If you are using a product in your routine and progress thread feel free to post it, this is the exception to the rule. But also, please, post it in the PE Products and Reviews. This will help us see what is working and what is not and make choices to new equipment.

 

[DLD]

And lastly, if this was about me making more money strike that from your mind! I have been offered a great deal of money to companies who have wanted to sell their shit on the forum. I could be selling 100's of things that don't work just to make money. If anyone thinks I am in this for the money, check my history!

 

[acromegaly]

Personally, and I can only speak for myself, I can not be bought one way or another. Any devices or methods I promote is simply because it worked for me and I want other people to reach their goals. I would not promote a device unless it worked, even if I was offered lots of money. Time is the most precious commodity and I would never want to waste some one else's time trying something that doesn't work.

 

[acromegaly]

But I agree with DLD. Do not advise other people on a product unless YOU have used it for at least several months and have seen gains from it. This forum has too much integrity to allow random adds for crap.

 

[DLD]

But I agree with DLD. Do not advise other people on a product unless YOU have used it for at least several months and have seen gains from it. This forum has too much integrity to allow random adds for crap.

Exactly. The Brotherhood is not a place to prostitute products that we have no experience with. If I have not used it myself and deemed it to be safe I will not sell it. Only products that are proven and popular become a possibility for partnership. It should be understood that [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] requires quite a bit from an affiliate. First we require a discount that is lower than what the partner sells it for or we need additions to bring more value. Next, we require a representative be here to answer questions and give support, we also require every new affiliate have their forum in our Forums. Finally we require a warranty greater than what is normally offered. So you can see there is a lot of shit for a partner to go through before they can be an affiliate.

As I said, I could sell bullshit here and get rich but this is NOT Brotherly. I want to protect each Brother here and make sure they are not only safe from shit products that could cause damage or simply do not work. Believe you me! If there is a product that is great for PE it will be here. We get these offers before any other forum and they come in constantly, when one looks promising I will get samples and try it myself and with the help of a few other Brothers here. If we love it it will make the cut.

 

[runningignus]

Holy sweet Jesus. All these years and this is the first I've seen the Godfather go straight hardcore HAM. Just post the right information in the right thread. How hard is that. We're brothers looking out for each other. If the master gets mad, he gonna take it out on all the slaves. C'mon now brothers. No more quick jabs with product in people's threads. Just send them to the correct forum and thread. It's always best to ask before jumping off the bridge. So who could take the place of DLD if he just shut this shit down. No one. We would truly see who has an agenda and what money can really do to people. To us that cannot be persuaded or give up, let's keep this site the best, the way it's always been. No other site has come close. NONE.

 

[youknowme123321]

I could give 2 fucks what you think. If you break the rules I will ban you. And do not make this look like I do not allow products to be posted, read the thread again!

Woah. I just read through the thread and saw your clear explanations and now it makes complete sense. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] in a way is streamlining so that categories have what they are supposed to have in them. In the OP this wasn’t clear to me. At first read it seemed as though [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] was being restrictive and did not want to see posts about other tools and that is why I said in post #3 I was surprised to see this at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. But with the explanation you went on to provide in this thread it is clear now that I had the wrong idea. I don’t have a problem being wrong. I’m not sensitive.

Actually they will not have to, if the rule is broken and a warning is given and they offend again they will be banned.

True that makes sense.

I guess you did not read the thread we made last month. There is absolutely no restrictions on posting products if they are posted in the right forum. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] will not be a prostitute for other products. If you find a product that you feel will be beneficial to the Brotherhood post it in the PE Products Review section and if there is enough support behind it I will invite them to be a partner. We put our partners through the most strict vetting before they become an affiliate. We require special pricing, a representative on the forum to answer questions and a warranty and product that are solid. When people make posts about other products in the wrong forum it makes it appear that we support this and then when someone gets hurt or the product does not work they come after [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. This rule is very simple and for very good reason. I have protected the integrity of the Brotherhood for 14 years and I am not about to stop!

Thank you for this great explanation. This clears up what was missing, for myself at least, in being able to fully understand the OP.

You know what, by my standards and the rest of the Brotherhood! We do not ignore good products, why the fuck do you think we have products? If you can't understand this go try to start a forum again. You have already blemished the Brotherhood, you will not do this again. If you continue to try to divide this Brotherhood you will be gone for good. If you even MENTION the slider [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words], which is incredibly dangerous, I will ban you. I think you have something going with slider [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. And LIGHTNINg and I have warned you about that in the past. I am watching every move you make, one more political, bullshit, divisional posts you gone for good.

Woah. Try to start a forum again? I never tried to start a forum. How did I blemish the brotherhood? The only thing I have ever tried to do is provide help based on my experience with PE and PE tools. I’d still upload videos here but the file size is limited to 500mb. The rumors I came back to see after my hiatus away from PE, which includes a hiatus from my PE video library along with all PE forums, talking about me deleting my videos were untrue.

Divide the brotherhood? I have always gotten along great with members here except ADF, TKTO, and now tempinite. All 3 of those members are clearly the same person. They talk the same and all had a problem with me and my videos. When you have a point that differs from theirs they would just say something random about religion or something. None of them like someone who disagreed with them. Other members like myself don’t mind being wrong and having discussions to be able to better understand a topic or situation. Like kyomoto and I did about his masturbation study. When I had opposing thoughts and shared that with kyomoto he provided more explanation and allowed me to better understand what he was doing and how he came to his individual conclusion. It was nice…we spoke to each other like adults.

Something going with the slider people? You say this just b/c I think it is a great [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. I say that about the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] too and recommend the [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words] over the slider but only recommend the slider when someone is saving money or interested in traditional style [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] head pieces with the noose/strap. There are multiple sellers of that [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]. It wouldn’t make sense for me to recommend people to eBay and tell them to search for that [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] unless there was only one vendor of that tool. And it wouldn’t be very good business to do that when I can just be affiliated with the big hitters like [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words], [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words], x4, [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]pmp[/words] and others if I wanted to make money off of tools.

Stillwantmore is a partner here, he is one of our affiliates. Know what you are talking about before you make ignorant comments!

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I know this. I’m not sure why you said this. I didn’t mention SWM in relation to being an affiliate with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] in any of my posts. I only mentioned SWM in reference to the fact that I have a wrapping video for his tool to help men who may need help finding a comfortable wrap for that tool even though it isn’t the first hanger I would recommend to someone if asked but if I can help someone who has his hanger then great, I am happy to. And then also in reference to finding a post that he shared liking Max vac hanger and [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words].

In the proper forums. So [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] posts go in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words] forum, [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] posts go in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] forum, new products go in the PE Products and Reviews, etc.

This is one of the great explanations that showed me of the “stream lining” [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is doing to keep posts where they should be b/c categories exist in the forums for a reason. This reminded me there are many categories to discuss all topics.

What surprises you? These rules have been in place for more than a decade.

I explain why I was surprised at the beginning of this post

Let me pose this question; If you owned a coffee shop would you want other coffee sellers to come into your shop and sell their wares?

If I had a coffee discussion forum I wouldn’t mind it. But I would do like [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and have a section of the forum for discussion of coffee products that aren’t directly promoted by my coffee forum
b/c after you provided explanation that better explained it for me I understand it fully. Forums based around just talking everything coffee actually exist, interesting.

And don't bring KingSnake into this, he does not sell his hanger, he gives direction to make it for free.

I didn’t bring up kingsnake in reference to the snake hanger. I love the snake hanger. It was the first hanger I shared pics of here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. I brought up kingsnake b/c when tempinite mentioned members here reporting injuries with the lg/vachanger. That member was kingsnake. tempinite then went on to call those tools unsafe b/c of the the urehtral bleeding kingsnake reported having from the lg. I then explained to tempinite the many reports of injuries he should look into with various tools b/c with the way he thinks he will think every tool is unsafe if a little urethral bleeding makes a tool unsafe to use.

Let me add this to the original post. If you are using a product in your routine and progress thread feel free to post it, this is the exception to the rule. But also, please, post it in the PE Products and Reviews. This will help us see what is working and what is not and make choices to new equipment.

Thank you for this explanation.

And lastly, if this was about me making more money strike that from your mind! I have been offered a great deal of money to companies who have wanted to sell their shit on the forum. I could be selling 100's of things that don't work just to make money. If anyone thinks I am in this for the money, check my history!

I never said it was ABOUT making money. I was clear to say in my posts that [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is affiliated with certain brands b/c [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] believes in those products. I never said it was for money.

Personally, and I can only speak for myself, I can not be bought one way or another. Any devices or methods I promote is simply because it worked for me and I want other people to reach their goals. I would not promote a device unless it worked, even if I was offered lots of money. Time is the most precious commodity and I would never want to waste some one else's time trying something that doesn't work.

Same here. This is why I even share how to use videos on tools that I wouldn’t use regularly myself. I did use every tool on my site for over at least a month each that way I could provide an educated opinion. But even for those tools I don’t recommend to others I still have videos available to help another man who may have those tools and is looking to improve their use of it such as the x4 labs [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] or the malehanger2. Just b/c a tool isn’t for me doesn’t mean it’s not the best tool for someone else and I will help them if I can or if it is needed.

But I agree with DLD. Do not advise other people on a product unless YOU have used it for at least several months and have seen gains from it. This forum has too much integrity to allow random adds for crap.

I agree with you here as well. I have only ever given advice and recommendation on tools I have used. Whether I recommend for or against a tool my opinion is always based on personal use with that tool.

Exactly. The Brotherhood is not a place to prostitute products that we have no experience with. If I have not used it myself and deemed it to be safe I will not sell it. Only products that are proven and popular become a possibility for partnership. It should be understood that [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] requires quite a bit from an affiliate. First we require a discount that is lower than what the partner sells it for or we need additions to bring more value. Next, we require a representative be here to answer questions and give support, we also require every new affiliate have their forum in our Forums. Finally we require a warranty greater than what is normally offered. So you can see there is a lot of shit for a partner to go through before they can be an affiliate.

As I said, I could sell bullshit here and get rich but this is NOT Brotherly. I want to protect each Brother here and make sure they are not only safe from shit products that could cause damage or simply do not work. Believe you me! If there is a product that is great for PE it will be here. We get these offers before any other forum and they come in constantly, when one looks promising I will get samples and try it myself and with the help of a few other Brothers here. If we love it it will make the cut.

I only discuss and give advice on products I have experience with. Thanks for this great explanation as well.

 

[templnite]

^Politicians :s always trying to cover their ass

 

[youknowme123321]

^Politicians :s always trying to cover their ass

^politicians always lying and changing the subject when they get caught. Take care ADF. Oops tkto. oops tempinite

 

[stillwantmore]

Thanks DLD for asking me to chime in. I believe in what we do here. I also appreciate DLD allowing me to partner with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words]. I admit my own reputation over the years has been far from spotless and I have acted selfish at times. However, I have changed.
Yes, at one time I helped promote the "Max Vac" hanger. However, I later discovered the guy selling them, Chad aka "BTC Killer" was ripping off customers. He would take orders and not ship them. He was also dishonest about how well the hanger worked. He admitted to me privately that his hanger was prone to causing blisters after around 15bs, but publicly acted as if blisters were caused by user error.

I donate regularly to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and am transparent about doing so. I support my customers as well.

I appreciate the feedback YKM gave on my hanger but at the same time, you never came to me for help. Even after I read your "review" on your site and emailed you. Rather you gave a VERY one sided "review" and made it sound like I deliberately sell a flawed product and like it is cumbersome to use my hanger due to how you must wrap to get it to work for you. Your site actually reminds me more of that "ripoff report"/bribe site than an honest review site. Men who actually come to me for coaching can usually get my hanger to work. As a last case scenario, I give refunds, but that is unusual.

 

[templnite]

That what I like about you still you're direct, and genuine not like others who try fabricating an environment where they can be their weasel self.

 

[stillwantmore]

Well, I have been a weasel myself. So I guess it takes one to know one lol.

 

[templnite]

Yeah man stay keepin it real

 

[youknowme123321]

Thanks DLD for asking me to chime in. I believe in what we do here. I also appreciate DLD allowing me to partner with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words]. I admit my own reputation over the years has been far from spotless and I have acted selfish at times. However, I have changed.
Yes, at one time I helped promote the "Max Vac" hanger. However, I later discovered the guy selling them, Chad aka "BTC Killer" was ripping off customers. He would take orders and not ship them. He was also dishonest about how well the hanger worked. He admitted to me privately that his hanger was prone to causing blisters after around 15bs, but publicly acted as if blisters were caused by user error.

I donate regularly to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and am transparent about doing so. I support my customers as well.

I appreciate the feedback YKM gave on my hanger but at the same time, you never came to me for help. Rather you gave a VERY one sided "review" and made it sound like I deliberately sell a flawed product and like it is cumbersome to use my hanger due to how you must wrap to get it to work for you. Men who actually come to me for coaching can usually get my hanger to work. As a last case scenario, I give refunds, but that is unusual.

Oh wow that is interesting about the max vac guy. Thank you bringing that to light for me and others who didn't know that. I just watched my malehanger videos again and I don't see where it was VERY one sided or that I made it seem like you deliberately sell a flawed tool. I don't think you sell a flawed tool. I believe there are better compression hangers such as the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] but that doesn't mean I think you believe your product isn't as good as others and deliberately sell a flawed product. You likely believe the MH2 is as good as any hanger and you should. What I like is based on my opinion and whats works best for me. I continually say the MH2 is a good hanger and that if I were to continue with it as my main hanger I believe I could hang as much weight as I could with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]. I am very honest in my video and I am sure to say that I believe men could hang heavier weight then I am able to if they use the MH2 regularly and find a wrap that works best for them.

I watched your wrapping videos and tried the methods you recommend for overcoming the issue of slipping and it wasn't enough for me which is why I came up with my wrap for it. If you have any other suggestions outside of those videos I would enjoy hearing it and trying it.

I also don't know where I made it seem cumbersome to use your hanger. I explained in the video how and why I wrap that way for the MH2 but at no point did I say it was a pain or cumbersome to do so. I wrap that same way for the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words].

If you would take the time to share with me where you feel I was VERY one sided and where I made it sound like you deliberately sell a flawed product I will be more then happy to take it into consideration and redo the video if I agree with you. Also please share where I made it seem like I found the wrap cumbersome. Like I said if I end up agreeing with you I would be happy to make another video. I am always open to learning new ways to use tools and then sharing that information. I attached the link to the video below so you don't have to go to my site and find it.

MaleHanger Wrap & Use - XVIDEOS.COM

 

[youknowme123321]

That what I like about you still you're direct, and genuine not like others who try fabricating an environment where they can be their weasel self.

Please provide [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] with one example of where I lie or act like a weasel? You won't be able to give me one example.

Well, I have been a weasel myself. So I guess it takes one to know one lol.

I've never done anything remotely close to what you did in the past. If you have any weasel behavior you've seen in me that makes you feel you can say, "it takes one to know one" when having a conversation about me please share as well.

 

[templnite]

I appreciate the feedback YKM gave on my hanger but at the same time, you never came to me for help. Even after I read your "review" on your site and emailed you. Rather you gave a VERY one sided "review" and made it sound like I deliberately sell a flawed product and like it is cumbersome to use my hanger due to how you must wrap to get it to work for you. Your site actually reminds me more of that "ripoff report"/bribe site than an honest review site. Men who actually come to me for coaching can usually get my hanger to work. As a last case scenario, I give refunds, but that is unusual.

Oh man last minute editing everything makes sense now :O the vac hangers, deleted videos, ykm reviews, deadwood187. This is a coordinated attack on the brotherhood!
It all started with ykm becoming the videos guy here earning him the recognition he needs to launch his site, and then deleting the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] videos to give that site some leverage. ( source of ykm's power)

Then he comes to mattersofsize along with deadwood187 (ykm behind seven proxies), and they start a vac-hanger thread which is immediately shot down by all us veterans.
Seeing that the brotherhoods knowledge is too strong they mount an attack on our credibility with a troll thread. The whole point of said thread was to label [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] as a vampiric corporation with the only goal of banking on the insecurity of the brothers.

If you guys remember I said ykm, and deadwood187 were trying some funny stuff, and deadwood lashed out at me immediately. Well now with deadwood defeated, and ykm on his last limbs he's trying to link to his site as much as possible before he's sent to oblivion.

I'm sorry ykm but I cannot stand for this travesty. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] is our home, and you will not touch even one hair of her fair body without retribution

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/87437-vachanger-any-one-gain-using-lower-weights-5-lbs-and-under-and-longer-times.html
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/87433-sometimes-i-dont-believe-4.html
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/87456-sorry-guys-but-i-am-a-fraud-i-lied-about-pe-4.html

 

[superman05xx]

Let me add this to the original post. If you are using a product in your routine and progress thread feel free to post it, this is the exception to the rule. But also, please, post it in the PE Products and Reviews. This will help us see what is working and what is not and make choices to new equipment.

I was just about to ask about this and since you cleared this up, this all seems perfectly reasonable.

Growing up as a child, I had problems with authority. But it took me reaching adulthood, where I found proper authority without arbitrary reasoning, that authority was no longer a problem for me. I believe the authority DLD is exercising here makes complete sense in response to the forum. What I mean is something I witnessed myself here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...and-sexual-products/87476-jelqing-device.html

If anyone hasn't seen that thread, I went through the trouble of doing a little research and exposing tbone350's spamming. For the unaware, Tbone350 is an unchecked spammer exisiting on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] for several years. It wasn't so much that the tbone350 was mentioning products that annoyed me, it was the fact that he was doing it deceptively.

Forums by their very nature are organic, growing and changing because people come and go. New rulings have to be made from time to time (because of the organic nature of a forum) to keep the intregrity of the forum. Support this guys.

 

[superman05xx]

Oh man last minute editing everything makes sense now :O the vac hangers, deleted videos, ykm reviews, deadwood187. This is a coordinated attack on the brotherhood!
It all started with ykm becoming the videos guy here earning him the recognition he needs to launch his site, and then deleting the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] videos to give that site some leverage. ( source of ykm's power)

Then he comes to mattersofsize along with deadwood187 (ykm behind seven proxies), and they start a vac-hanger thread which is immediately shot down by all us veterans.
Seeing that the brotherhoods knowledge is too strong they mount an attack on our credibility with a troll thread. The whole point of said thread was to label [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] as a vampiric corporation with the only goal of banking on the insecurity of the brothers.

If you guys remember I said ykm, and deadwood187 were trying some funny stuff, and deadwood lashed out at me immediately. Well now with deadwood defeated, and ykm on his last limbs he's trying to link to his site as much as possible before he's sent to oblivion.

I'm sorry ykm but I cannot stand for this travesty. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] is our home, and you will not touch even one hair of her fair body without retribution

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...weights-5-lbs-and-under-and-longer-times.html
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/87433-sometimes-i-dont-believe-4.html
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...-guys-but-i-am-a-fraud-i-lied-about-pe-4.html

To Templnite and YKM .... you both really need to stop. I don't understand why you go on and on. Templnite, YKM clearly made a complete paragraph explaining his understanding of the rules and how he thought them to be reasonable but you are being an instigator. YKM, you should not respond to templnite because it take two people to argue. You both going back and forth is not setting a good example for the brotherhood. I have been a member on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] since 2009 but I sat quietly in the shadows until about 3 years ago before I started talking. Why? BC I was not comfortable to do so. Both of your arguing back and forth makes this a place where people like who I used to be would never feel comfortable sharing and might even not want to join. So I ask you both to consider your actions more carefully because I guarantee it is effecting others.

 

[templnite]

Mathew 21:12
Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

Hey man when god saw his father's temple desecrated he wasn't about to sit quietly in the shadows. I'm just defending [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] no? Just because you were afraid for three years is good enough reason to take away my voice? Please be reasonable my brother

 

[kyomoto]

I guess you did not read the thread we made last month. There is absolutely no restrictions on posting products if they are posted in the right forum. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] will not be a prostitute for other products. If you find a product that you feel will be beneficial to the Brotherhood post it in the PE Products Review section and if there is enough support behind it I will invite them to be a partner. We put our partners through the most strict vetting before they become an affiliate. We require special pricing, a representative on the forum to answer questions and a warranty and product that are solid. When people make posts about other products in the wrong forum it makes it appear that we support this and then when someone gets hurt or the product does not work they come after [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. This rule is very simple and for very good reason. I have protected the integrity of the Brotherhood for 14 years and I am not about to stop!

I didn't but i read your posts and I never said that they're completely off of this site. I said that at least we have the freedom in that subsection you mentioned.

DLD relax on Youknowme. You still have some grudge on him for believing that he deleted his videos. Don't hold grudges for something that wasn't even true. DLD relax he's just saying the same thing I said and I don't see you talking shit to me. Lets just be adults here and calm down about this. No banning should take place for him since he was not warned. Warning first then ban.


YKM-Please do not waste your time with templnite. This guy will soon end up in so much bad karma I can guarantee it.

 

[pogzee]

DLD what i feel it depends where the max people are on this site and its forum and people are in this forum so people want more replies ....maybe thats the only reason..

for example if i post a thread in the "other" forum section i will get only 2 replies but here i will get 20

 

[superman05xx]

Mathew 21:12
Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

Hey man when god saw his father's temple desecrated he wasn't about to sit quietly in the shadows. I'm just defending [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] no? Just because you were afraid for three years is good enough reason to take away my voice? Please be reasonable my brother

No, you are not just having a voice. And yes, me being silent for three years should be enough for you to reconsider your worthless bickering bc if regular people don't find it in themselves to speak up, which (correct me if I am wrong DLD) is the majority of members to this site, how less likely are members to speak up in an hostile environment? Secondly you are not Jesus cleaning out the temple that was being polluted by people selling goods and causing the temple goers to not focus on God. No you are here .... and the people you oppose are here ... and you are all just bickering while all here together. Thirdly, how do you know it is DLD's will for you to clean out [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]? Did you ask him?

I have noticed you enjoy quoting the bible, I myself am also enjoy the bible so I will leave you with a verse to consider if you are implimenting it as well as you could:

“Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone.”
Titus&#8236; 3:1-2&#8236;

 

[templnite]

You have very strong opinions, and are very passionate, and I think that's the main reason why you chose to remain quiet all that time. You knew people weren't gonna be down with that, so its better to be silent, and you're a wise person for doing so.

However this is open forum, and what I did there on that last post was no different than what you did to that jelqing device guy. Hell you went as far as showing off your work even after mike closed the thread XD you guys crack me up seriously. The reason I don't seek attention like that is because of the brotherhood which makes me stronger as I converse with it so I not insecure

 

[superman05xx]

You have very strong opinions, and are very passionate, and I think that's the main reason why you chose to remain quiet all that time. You knew people weren't gonna be down with that, so its better to be silent, and you're a wise person for doing so.

However this is open forum, and what I did there on that last post was no different than what you did to that jelqing device guy. Hell you went as far as showing off your work even after mike closed the thread XD you guys crack me up seriously. The reason I don't seek attention like that is because of the brotherhood which makes me stronger as I converse with it so I not insecure

Down with what I ask? And no it is completely different. It is different because I didn't slander him, I provided links and proof to protect YKM and unknowning members. I showed the thread in this thread only because of the dissession members may have been having due to this thread as to why DLD came to his conclusion. Secondly, I didn't know the other thread was closed, since it is in my inbox area. You don't seek attention but you almost every other post I see from you is you brown nosing .... right. I don't have strong opinions, I'm just the unsilent majority who is tired of the bullcrap. I call bullcrap when it is bullcrap.

 

[templnite]

Ok perfect then both our posts were on topic, and no one is out of line. that's why you accused me of bickering, and slander only to call me a ass licker, and try to pick a fight with me? Yall are too funny XD