Help trying to get the ex back for one last booty call

[smeyers]

Because I'm pretty sure my ex will probably either the best sex I ever had or really close, I'd like to get her back for one last booty call. I'm only 6nbp x 4.75ish and we haven't had much time for sex b/c of both being in school and part time jobs, however, in the past we've had about maybe 3 hours max, and depending on the day, I've gotten her off between 4 - 7 times.

She also is damn fine, and has a genetically gifted body, and things were really good at first. However she's younger than me, she's 21 and I'm 26, and she's immature for her age, well when she wants to be, almost as if she is bi-polor.

Here's the issues: I liked a lot, and the feelings were mutal, however she was in a 5 year relationship, the last 2 of those 5 years were extremely physically abusive. She was a year out of that relationship, and had another one in between, (that wasn't abusive, but the guy was extremely selfish), before she met me. Me being the dumb ass beta male, (nice guy), actually attracted her to me b/c of her past. However, she didn't want a "boyfriend" even though it was basically semantics in regards to that. But, she played immature games and said one thing and did another,.....said that she would always be straight with me concerning her feelings in regards to our relationship, but was extremely disrespectfull to me, blamming it on stressors from work and school.

The dumb ass that I am, I took her for her word, even though her disrecpt had now almost doubled due to her being argumentative towards me with everything I said, trying to question my ethics......."I thought you were a nice guy, but your acting like an asshole",......ie, I questioned why a large family resteraunt in town, (which is part of a national chain), didn't take credit cards, and she flipped on me for a good 45 minutes.

I then come to find out through the grapevine, that her lack of respect for me, sunk to an all time low stating to a classmate "I don't know what to do, I wish he'd just leave me alone, I've been really really mean to him, (and with held sex for 2 months might I add),...for quite a while now and he won't leave me alone, but I don't want to hurt him, I just want to be friends".......etc. etc. ad nausem. Pretty contradictory to me, espeically the part about bugging her. B/c of a lot of tests towards the end of the semester I would only talk to her once a week for 10-15 max, for the last month.

Anyway, she's basically a different person when she's in school as opposed to when shes' with her friends from outside of school,(probably why I was never allowed to be around them or meet them)........ ESPenis EnlargementCIALLY after school lets out for summer,...which just recently happened for us.

Around people in school she's mature, kind, cute, caring, reserved and somewhat shy. Also, me and the other guy that she dated, (the one that wasn't abusive to her), look rather normal..........versus......... her doing a complete 180 when she's around her friends from her area in the summer......... she's getting girl fights almost every night b/c of people "messing" with her friends........she's partying every single night at bars with extremely seedy people and absolutely loving the attention from those guys;......which are the kind most women wouldn't either not be attracted to or be afraid of........think big, bald, tatted up, always wearing wife beaters and always having that "I'm going to mess up anyone or shoot anyone who looks at me wrong", type attitude. If they have a rap sheet and either don't have a job or have a blue collar job double bonus.............not disrespecting blue collar jobs, however even though she and I are in class together for a medical profession, she thinks MUCH less of guys in these or professional fields in comparison to guys that are straight up blue collar.

Almost forgot to mention, she always is talking about VA beach, where she goes every summer and even though she goes with her friends who have long term boyfriends and don't cheat on them...........she seems to need to be always be single when she goes down there, (probably so she doesn't feel like a slut if she cheated on someone),....and won't stop talking about how great it is to have 6-10 guys pushing each other out of the way just to talk to her and literally sometimes fist fighting over her,......again the bigger the balder and badder the better. However in the same breath, during the school year she ABSOLUTELY HATES compliments or comments from guys, and doesn't seem to be talking to and/or looking for the type of guys she does in the summer.

Anyway, I know if I could get her out with people from class I might have an advantage, b/c she needs their approval rating and thinks highly of them, and doesn't want them to know her other side. Therefore, she usually isn't nasty to me in a group and actually in a weird way likes me being in that group b/c it means more people around,............this only applies to our class however, DEFNINATLY not her group of friends from outside of school,......like I said not allowed nor never will be allowed to meet or be around them.

Therefore, just me trying to get her out to a bar or something would be damn near immpossible now, (even though I can tell she still has a little bit of sexual feelings for me, and is in big time heat right now, and wants to be a slut, .....but is afraid too b/c of people's thoughts on her in regards to that).

Also, the respect thing is so bad that 7/8 of the time she doesn't even respect me enough to return my phone calls let alone ever listen to any of my voicemails.........she will hit me up on instant messanger once in a blue moon if she has some crazy Jerry Springer story to tell, and then just signs off. Also, the problem with getting everyone from school together is that our class is very small, and many people live in different areas and have families, etc.

I know I'm retardid for even thinking about trying to get her, but I just fantasize about having one more time with her, using some V for assitance and get her ass into the double digits for orgasms, and thus also out of my head. Unless things get extremely boring or really bad with her friends,...I will need extreme planning and luck to get my wishes to come true. She's almost addicted to being around her friends, b/c of her having no sense of self, and feels like she's missing out on a party, even if they aren't.......and when they do it's nothing that great.

I thought about getting her to a concert in a neighboring city, thus most likely getting drunk and spending a night at a hotel, but trying to pry her from her friends in the summer, even if its a band she likes, is seriously a hard undertaking. To do this I would probably have to change her mind and make her think that I'm the ultimate bad ass, even if she bought it, (which she prob. won't), it is going to be a tough task.

Sorry for this being extremely long and melodramatic guys, just wanted to make sure everyone understood the whole thing,...........any advice would be GREATLY appreciated

 

[Pandora]

Because I'm pretty sure my ex will probably either the best sex I ever had or really close, I'd like to get her back for one last booty call. I'm only 6nbp x 4.75ish and we haven't had much time for sex b/c of both being in school and part time jobs, however, in the past we've had about maybe 3 hours max, and depending on the day, I've gotten her off between 4 - 7 times.

She also is damn fine, and has a genetically gifted body, and things were really good at first. However she's younger than me, she's 21 and I'm 26, and she's immature for her age, well when she wants to be, almost as if she is bi-polor.

Here's the issues: I liked a lot, and the feelings were mutal, however she was in a 5 year relationship, the last 2 of those 5 years were extremely physically abusive. She was a year out of that relationship, and had another one in between, (that wasn't abusive, but the guy was extremely selfish), before she met me. Me being the dumb ass beta male, (nice guy), actually attracted her to me b/c of her past. However, she didn't want a "boyfriend" even though it was basically semantics in regards to that. But, she played immature games and said one thing and did another,.....said that she would always be straight with me concerning her feelings in regards to our relationship, but was extremely disrespectfull to me, blamming it on stressors from work and school.

The dumb ass that I am, I took her for her word, even though her disrecpt had now almost doubled due to her being argumentative towards me with everything I said, trying to question my ethics......."I thought you were a nice guy, but your acting like an asshole",......ie, I questioned why a large family resteraunt in town, (which is part of a national chain), didn't take credit cards, and she flipped on me for a good 45 minutes.

I then come to find out through the grapevine, that her lack of respect for me, sunk to an all time low stating to a classmate "I don't know what to do, I wish he'd just leave me alone, I've been really really mean to him, (and with held sex for 2 months might I add),...for quite a while now and he won't leave me alone, but I don't want to hurt him, I just want to be friends".......etc. etc. ad nausem. Pretty contradictory to me, espeically the part about bugging her. B/c of a lot of tests towards the end of the semester I would only talk to her once a week for 10-15 max, for the last month.

Anyway, she's basically a different person when she's in school as opposed to when shes' with her friends from outside of school,(probably why I was never allowed to be around them or meet them)........ ESPenis EnlargementCIALLY after school lets out for summer,...which just recently happened for us.

Around people in school she's mature, kind, cute, caring, reserved and somewhat shy. Also, me and the other guy that she dated, (the one that wasn't abusive to her), look rather normal..........versus......... her doing a complete 180 when she's around her friends from her area in the summer......... she's getting girl fights almost every night b/c of people "messing" with her friends........she's partying every single night at bars with extremely seedy people and absolutely loving the attention from those guys;......which are the kind most women wouldn't either not be attracted to or be afraid of........think big, bald, tatted up, always wearing wife beaters and always having that "I'm going to mess up anyone or shoot anyone who looks at me wrong", type attitude. If they have a rap sheet and either don't have a job or have a blue collar job double bonus.............not disrespecting blue collar jobs, however even though she and I are in class together for a medical profession, she thinks MUCH less of guys in these or professional fields in comparison to guys that are straight up blue collar.

Almost forgot to mention, she always is talking about VA beach, where she goes every summer and even though she goes with her friends who have long term boyfriends and don't cheat on them...........she seems to need to be always be single when she goes down there, (probably so she doesn't feel like a slut if she cheated on someone),....and won't stop talking about how great it is to have 6-10 guys pushing each other out of the way just to talk to her and literally sometimes fist fighting over her,......again the bigger the balder and badder the better. However in the same breath, during the school year she ABSOLUTELY HATES compliments or comments from guys, and doesn't seem to be talking to and/or looking for the type of guys she does in the summer.

Anyway, I know if I could get her out with people from class I might have an advantage, b/c she needs their approval rating and thinks highly of them, and doesn't want them to know her other side. Therefore, she usually isn't nasty to me in a group and actually in a weird way likes me being in that group b/c it means more people around,............this only applies to our class however, DEFNINATLY not her group of friends from outside of school,......like I said not allowed nor never will be allowed to meet or be around them.

Therefore, just me trying to get her out to a bar or something would be damn near immpossible now, (even though I can tell she still has a little bit of sexual feelings for me, and is in big time heat right now, and wants to be a slut, .....but is afraid too b/c of people's thoughts on her in regards to that).

Also, the respect thing is so bad that 7/8 of the time she doesn't even respect me enough to return my phone calls let alone ever listen to any of my voicemails.........she will hit me up on instant messanger once in a blue moon if she has some crazy Jerry Springer story to tell, and then just signs off. Also, the problem with getting everyone from school together is that our class is very small, and many people live in different areas and have families, etc.

I know I'm retardid for even thinking about trying to get her, but I just fantasize about having one more time with her, using some V for assitance and get her ass into the double digits for orgasms, and thus also out of my head. Unless things get extremely boring or really bad with her friends,...I will need extreme planning and luck to get my wishes to come true. She's almost addicted to being around her friends, b/c of her having no sense of self, and feels like she's missing out on a party, even if they aren't.......and when they do it's nothing that great.

I thought about getting her to a concert in a neighboring city, thus most likely getting drunk and spending a night at a hotel, but trying to pry her from her friends in the summer, even if its a band she likes, is seriously a hard undertaking. To do this I would probably have to change her mind and make her think that I'm the ultimate bad ass, even if she bought it, (which she prob. won't), it is going to be a tough task.

Sorry for this being extremely long and melodramatic guys, just wanted to make sure everyone understood the whole thing,...........any advice would be GREATLY appreciated

Dude go focus and fantasize on some other girl and give Penis Enlargement ur all:hanging: dont let women mess with ur head maybe if u ignore her like she is doing to u .

 

[sweets]

I'm pretty sure this being disrespected is the one thing that would make "any" guy look the other way, it seems like she's got you wrapped around her finger, and also has some issues. I would give it a shot, and either do that concert thing or make some kind of plan involving a rondayvou around alcholol or something!...... After a couple attempts, if it doesn't work out, a decision should be made to take it or leave it. You seem pretty focused, so if you should gear that energy into a hobby like Penis Enlargement or hit hte gym of something, yuo sound like a good catch, their shouldn't be any reason you couldn't ger a girl in the near future.

 

[sweets]

I ment alchohol, get the bitch drunk, if not fuck it!

 

[Pandora]

I ment alchohol, get the bitch drunk, if not fuck it!

Nar fuck that go after one of her friends and get them drunk

 

[smeyers]

Thanks for the advice sweets. Yeah unfortunately I'm focused to the point where when I get really into something I get tunnel vision and thus almost obsession, .........which she only caught a small glimpse of and it actually pissed her off,.........she see's ambition as a turn off.

I would like to go on after school to own my own practice, etc. and don't want to have kids, family, etc. until I'm financially established...........her opinon of this is that she see's me as being extremely anal. If she messes up in school, she plans on working as a waitress and finding someone to help her bang out 6 kids, one right after another,........she's very adamit about the 6 kids, and about her life's ambition to be a mom. She really doesn't want to work after having kids,......but in the same breath loves those blue collar guys,........which albeit some make decent money,........but a women that doesn't work and 6 kids. I mean my friend comes from a family like that and his dad is a dentist and they're still always broke.

That being said, I'm planning on just giving it only one more well planned out shot, and if it doesn't happen then I'm telling the psycho to piss off. Unfortunately you don't find women who have both the physical and sexual traits that she does very often, other wise I wouldn't even attempt one last shot.

I'm also debating on whether to write her an email comparing and constrating what she says and acutally does, b/c the bitch is so into her self that I don't even know that she's aware of half of the shit she pulls..........not sure if it's even worth it though,.......want to make her aware,.....(espeically b/c she hates people being mad at her),......but I do not want to give her the satisfaction of having the upper hand.

Oh, also forgot to mention, she has ALWAYS gotten want she wants, when she wants it, with the exception of the guy who beat the shit out of her for two years. And she had mentioned that b/c of her having to basically take care of everything for him, ....(almost like he was her kid,.....she paid for him to get bailed out of jail, court costs, child support for his kids to other women,...along with your avg. every day things), ....that this makes her deserving of someone that will do EVERYTHING for her.

 

[smeyers]

Pandora, your thought was actually the first thing that crossed my mind. Actually although I haven't met any of her friends.....( b/c like I said she wants to pull her bullshit on guys and not let her friends find out b/c they would think less of her and that would literally crush her),......... actually scratch that, I did her best friend in the world, (who she would do absolutely anything for),......I met the girl once, but to her I was only some guy from class who needed an excuse to go out and drink.

This girl also works at chain hair salon not too far away from me Hydromaxmmmmmm, possibilites,...........only problems is I do have to see my ex all next fall in class. We have class 3 times a week for 6.5 hours at a clip, in the same rooms, and there are only 22 of us. And when my ex wants to turn on the combo bitch/pscho switch...........look out, talk about Jerry Springer,......more like the 6 o'clock news.

 

[smeyers]

Meant to say I did MEET her best friend in the world,.....my badrofl

 

[iwant8inches]

You still want that girl? If you do (I'd say forget her altogether and just ignore her either way and move on) then you have to let her know what's up and how you feel. I don't mean telling her in a mushy way like sitting down and "talking it out." With each knee that you knelt to let her know how you felt you'd be chopping one nut off at a time. Next time she pisses you off or messes with you let her have it. Fucking yell at her and let her know you aren't going to stand there and be disrespected. Shit, I'd let her know right now anyway about how she made you feel when you were together. Seriously, let that girl have it. I know you aren't together, but it sounds like she probably might take advantage of you in the future and considering that you will see her every day next fall in class there will be the chance to get her back for one more fuck. (I find that pointless most of the time though) I would have let it out and held nothing back if I was going crazy or something over her bullshit. That's the best way to avoid that obsession period in my opinion.

 

[smeyers]

Very good point iwant8. I've actually been going through the 12 step program with one of my friends who used to be in AA. It's actually working ok for me in helping with obsessing about wanting her back for one last fling, especially considering my dumb ass couldn't even get off the couch for almost a week.

I'm starting to reconsider the booty call,............definatly tough though with making her orgasm that many times............but I'm realizing my attitude needs to change,.......I got mine I should be satisfied and to hell with getting my happiness from making her orgarsm/making her happy.

Her level of disrespect for me is so low right now, I know for certain that a phone call, or instant message wouldn't do shit.......possibly not even an email......she'll most likely not listen or read em and just see my name or number and delete them. Unless for some odd reason she contacts me first,.......in which case I'll unload on her ass.

Therefore after reading what you said I might be able to combine some things for perfect timing. I feel horrible for even saying this due to the other parties invovled .....but.....she is attending a camp for kids with MS this summer for a week, right before school starts. I was planning on going as well, but after what happend I didn't really want to be near her unless I absolutely had too,............however, like I said b/f she really needs people around her at all times or else I could see her really freaking out. This being said, I can go to the camp, look and play the part she loves, and then psychologically wreak havoc on her.

Then try to talk her up about sex and get her horned up.......then just ignore her,.......making her question what I say vs. what I do...........like she did with me, and also plant the seed of doubt in people's minds that she isn't of high character and is a supreme actress. If anything would hinder someone's opinion of her, especially on how she is with kids...........wow..............immensley crushing That is sinking pretty damn low though lol.

The only thing though is that she is totally in her element with kids, and therefore this might backfire on me.............goddamn I'm putting way too much thought and effort into getting back at this bitch.........I wish there was a way to buy instant Karma

 

[smeyers]

Just a FYI guys the psycho just called me out of the blue yesterday to tell me how much fun she's having going out and having guys pay for all her drinks and going to all these after parties with sports stars around the city, and how all these guys expect someting from her afterwards..... but that she would never do that b/c she's not that kind of girl.

She's been, and will continue to go out every day of the week. Mon-Sun. I mean going out is fun and all, but damn. She says she just likes to go out and dance,.......which is bullshit, she desperately craves the attention,.......but I mean shit, she plans on going every day for the next basically 3 months, thats like rock star pace.

I do not think she's having sex, .......(although who's to say she won't).....I think that she's not b/c of her friends are always with her and she feels that if she does anything like that in front of them, that her image would be smashed.........which I know she doesn't want.............but she really is craving the attention, and she really is loving dangling guys out there and doens't see anythng wrong with it b/c she thinks that all of them come to the bars with money expecting to burn it on a women, just for the hell of it, and why shouldn't she be that woman.

I'm trying to do the concernt thing for one last horay,....I'll find out in the next couple days about that, and if not.......blasting her ass with the cold hard truth,.....b/c she'll be loosing a big time support from me,.....since she absolutely won't be able to do what she's doing now in the fall when school starts. But me, I'll just be loosing psycho baggage.

I'm wondering if anyone has ever witnessed shit like this before. Her shit, after having that little chat, is barealy affecting me anymore, (just enough to get my ass motivated to get to the gym and to Penis Enlargement consistantly),........but I am very curious as to why someone acts like this.

I did my previous schooling at Penn State, which is quite a big party school, and I never saw anyone go out as much as she does, non stop, guy or girl, frat or sororiety,.....nobody. Well maybe hard core alcoholics, but their intentions are much different.

Can you guys suggest any women on the forum to talk to that would even have a clue about this shit........b/c I would just love to hear this from a female perspective,...........my female friends are in the dark as much as me.

 

[sweets]

Yeah, I would do all the above, except for if it doesn't neccessarily work out, definetly do not write he any email. Either stop waiting around to her from her, if you can gut it out, you'll be able to hear from her on her conditions, basically when she feels like talking, and maybe their will be a future fuck, but getting your hopes up will just drive you crazy, I'm sure she's well aware of this. So in that case it really becomes a game, if you can stand it, just forget about her as if you wrote her off, when you her from her laugh at her jokes, but don't pay to much attention to her, mention you got the place to your self, of something like that, if not she'll be calling some time around the corner and that's the game.
She sounds like a cunt, but she's doesn't sound nieve, just a girl using what she's got to get what she needs, not that much different from what us guys have done a thousand and one times! I think we just get more jealous and it fucks with us a little different but that's all! Good luck!

 

[smeyers]

Damn sweets you predicted the future. She's been calling me up a lot lately. I've been letting her do the talking for the most part and mirroring/building rapport with her,......letting her hear what she wants to hear.

Only thing is, it came right back to bite me in my ass. Check this shit out. She talks about types all the time. The only one that really was her type was her first b/f that beat her. So when looking at guy number 2 and me, I'm thinking Hydromaxmmmm shit isn't adding up here, as to be expected with her crazy ass. On this topic, like I said she's been going out a lot. She's also been going places about 50% of the time with her one guy friends, who she says she's been friends with for a while, but they've never been really close, BUT they've been spending a lot more time together lately.

She claims this guy isn't her type because he's short and cut up, not the big bulky brute that she claims she wants, he has also slept with a good amount of women, (which I thought was a turn off for her, but I could be wrong), and this kid is always with another woman when he's around her, (sometimes people he's dating, but not neccesarily all the time, sometime's ex's that he's still stuck in mini leases with), but she claims he's been acting sort of weird when other guys talk to her.

HOWEVER, she also said that he is the male version of her, and that at times they get along really well, and other times that won't talk at all b/c they fight and are too similar. When she said that I started to smell the perverbial funk of emotional drama, which crazy bitches obviously love.

So like I said she's been calling me a lot, telling me about her crazy adventures at the bars, and work, blah blah, (like she does with other male friends that she didn't hook up with),.......but I'm thinking in my head o.k. build rapport, her escapades don't phase me, and possibly get her to agree that I meet up with her somewhere, take her home and get down to it.

WELL, today she calls and is like "How do you know if a guy friend likes you" And I'm thinking, son of a bitch, and she's talking about the dude I mentioned previously, and obviously the guy likes her. I asked her, "I thought he wasn't your type" and she's like "He isn't, but I just want to be preparred if something were to happen, how to respond"..............I'm thinking to myself yeah like what how far you have to open your mouth,..........I don't know maybe I'm wrong, .........this broad is the hardest woman to read ever, probably because she has no clue of self except that she wants what she wants, when she wants it, no hobbies, no interests, just baically like a little kid, ........have fun and get it my way all the time, which for little kids, and her, is constantly chaning.

But basically I'm thinking if she even asked me that, she most likely does like him, and I'm fucked. However, as an aside, she did get back together several times with the one ex that beat her, important to mention though, that he dumped her, and she was like 15, and 17 at the time, and 21 now.

Also, she was really complaining of scapular pain today, and I used to give her massages, b/c I needed hours for school for masssage therapy, and I told her that she should pop by after work, and I'd help her out, when we were cool she rarely passed up a free massage.................but what do you know, no popping by, and the phone stopped ringing, hahaha.

So I'm damn clueless right about now. B/c if she gets with this dude, I really doubt things will last, and I can hit the rebound, (but gotta be carefull I don't catch something in the process),.......however that's definatly cutting off my balls, which at this point probably don't exist anyway,.....since I'm scrapping at the bottom of the barrel. I can go the other route, which is totally don't pick up her calls, and just play it by ear in the fall. Because once school starts in the fall we are going to get hammered by work, and she'll rarely be able to go out or spend time with her friends.

The negatives to both options are: by ignoring her all together, I could be totally cut off for good, even come fall, but most likely she'll get over it, b/c she says how certain guys she knows from high school and stuff really get on her nerves, but then if they have the hook ups to get into the V.I.P. parites, she has no qualms about hanging with them for a while. ....................The negative to hitting the rebound is that I can go insane waiting around to get the timming right, and it could entreach me deeper into the friends zone if she's constantly coming to me with all her issues.

I wish I could get inside this girl's head, b/c it seems like I said with her things are constatly changing from day to day. But yeah she definatly uses what she's got to get what she wants like it's her job. I have no clue on what to do and/or how to combat this.

 

[sweets]

So she's opening up to you/ or has been, at least from one piont she hasn't cut you off. A hook up might be possible, but this just sounds like a future possibility. And your right, you do not want to be the donkey on the other end of her phone calls just doing that. I would cut off some of her phone calls, not all though. If it's like a thurs. night and she calls you, well then the possibiltiy of talking about plans( which could be you) are at stake, if it's during the week like mon, tues. don't pay any closer attention.
I gotta run!

 

[MoPipe]

Seriously smeyers, you need to move on man. Dont play all these games because of the chance for a little romp. Just go find a healthy relationship and let her do her thing (whatever that is).

Whats coming across from your posts is that she is whacked out and your along for the ride. You cant and wont figure out the rules of the game because she makes em up as she goes. Its a lose-lose situation for ya. Get off the roller coaster.

 

[smeyers]

MoPipe your totally right on. As a man I'm racking my brain for some kind of pattern or something with her, and then I read your post and a friend of mine was talking to me about her, and said that she reminds him of the scene in the movie big daddy when the little kid is winning all the time at cards b/c he changes the rules as he goes........ then the side of my brain that was frantically searching for a semi logical or rational explanation finally shut down enough for the light bulb to appear over my head.

I just got to tell you guys about what happend to this other guy, it's damn halarious. She obviously liked him and talked about him all the time, and like I said b/f was asking me dumb ass questions about how do you know when a guy friend likes you. Well, the dude made his move, to the extent of saying something like "I guess I'll never see you naked then huh?" Instant shut down. She got all freaked out. I said you seemed like you liked him; thats all you ever talked about for the past 2 weeks. And her classic line back to me was..."I don't like it when guys actually like me" LOL talk about your rollercoaster of emotions. She goes bonkers for the attention but when someone steps up, (well at least for now, who the hell knows about tom), she gets wigged out.

Another weird thing she did currently was calling me Thursday at 12:30 at night and wanted me to come out and drink with her and her friends, who were a half hour drive away. I was seriously tempted at first, but I had a job interview in the morning, so I declined. There most likely wouldn't have been any hooking up due to her being so close to her parents house, and I doubt that she wanted to actually see me, as opposed to not being the third wheel with her friend and this dude that her friend had picked up that night, but still, definatly very odd......b/c she freaks out if there's a possiblity that she might see me some where and then all the sudden,.........as if scripted the rules totally change.

The reason that I'm being such a dumb ass and even answer the phone or I'm even tempted to go out.....(which with her right now would be a very bad thing, being that she'll take any attention, including that of the most seedy individuals which has already lead to several alterations over her............which would def. prematurely end my career if I got arrested).............is b/c I think, (as dumb as this might sound), I'm truely addicted to her body/sex with her.

I never believed it when I saw those hollywood stars talk about being a sex addict, however those guys are lucky IMO b/c they are addicted to the act itself. I'm addicted to sex with her. I can't look at adult entertainment or other women any more,......or even talk to other women w/o getting extremely disgusted.

What's a little scary is that it's come close to affecting my new job. B/c before I leave for work I have to masterbate twice, (of course only thinking of her). The time it takes me to get off varies greatly, or it wouldn't be such a problem. It affects my sleep,.... in the middle of the night I'll be dreaming about having sex with her, and I'll wake up and have to masterbate 3-4 times. I'll come home after work, and have to do it another 2-3 times, (depending on the day). Even though I don't have classes right now, sometimes I'll have to pop in the college to study some stuff in preparation for fall, and I'll be going so crazy that I have to go to the public rest room and rub one out. It's really messed up, and is taking a good chunk of time away from my day, (which I can afford currently, but when my job picks up more really shortly, I'm screwed). A friend of mine who worked as a counsler for alcholics and drug addicts in the past has said that he truly believes that I'm addicted as well.

Any ideas on how to get over this? I wish it was just as simple as going out and finding another woman,.....when I say I get disguisted trying to do this, I mean the last couple times I went to bars I've had to actually puke in the parking lot even b/f I went in, and after that I couldn't bring myself to actually go in to the bar. What the hell is my problem?

 

[Girthius]

Well you have given the big clue away!!You mentioned that she made this commit about what another guy said "I don't like it when guys actually like me"In other words she likes a bit of a challenge, someone that's not going to kiss her ass, someone that will make her feel like a woman, and be dominant!She would be easy to get!!

All you would have to do is:Go out with her and her friends to have a drink and party(preferably at a bar/club where there are other hot women)When you enter the club/bar with these girls, you automatically qualifiy yourself to all the other women there(social proof...big bonus point to women)!Once you are there, blank your hot friend and talk more to her friends....just totally shut her out!!Also make it a point to go and mingle with some of the other women there(they will be up for it, as you have the social proof)!This will drive her nuts, as she isn't getting the attention she wants from you!


Also you need to make a few commits to her that borderline on insults(nothing to servere, just little sublime hints....like "what have you done to your hair, etc.,?).Once you do this, her brain wheels will be working overtime, and she will try to quailify herself to you(win you back)When this starts to happen, you my friend are in the drivers set, and control the situation!

At this point you must push and pull her mentally(give a little shit, give a little sugar).It sounds harsh, but trust me, women like this have to be treated as such, it keeps them on there toes!Have you ever set at a bar/club and watched how all the hot women always leave with the assholes??It's sad but true!!Good guys cum last, and sometimes they don't cum at all!You have to stike a medium here....your a good guy that doesn't take shit, and is the prize!!!Adapt that mindset!

When you are at the push and pull phase, you must start rewarding her with a little body contact(like light touches to the hands,arms hair etc.........but no lip contact!!!!!!!!!By doing this you will start her juices flowing!Nothing should be spoke of sexually........this is the last thing you want to convey!!Just gradually build up the sexual tension within her!!From here you will have to play it cool, like your reeling in a big fish! Now that your to the point, to where you want to score, suggest to her about leaving and getting something to eat, or perhaps ask her to come over to see something you recently bought that is way cool...........but no sex talk!!!

If she does say she will go to your place, give her a time constraint that you have to be up early the next day(this will put her off guard, thinking that there is no sex tonight....but you know different!Once your there, take it slowly and get her worked up, and then I'm sure you will know what to do from there!

If in the club, she is not playing the game, stuff her, and hook up with some of the other women!Going through these steps will tell you if she's up to what you desire or not!If not, don't waste your time mate!!!Plenty of other hot women out there!Good luck!!

Girthius

 

[smeyers]

Thanks for the reply Girthius. I actually bought the e-book, the alpha male method not too long ago. I have been trying some of the techniques out right before things ended. These techniques are foriegn to me b/c my mother wore the pants in my family and had the mindset of " You better treat women like they're on the highest pedastol there is, or I'll kick your ass" haha.

Anyway, whats weird about this girl is that the push/pull is extreme. One moment she definatly wants hard core alpha, the next she wants, (or seems like she wants), beta to the extreme, and doing rapport like a mother. Actually when we got together, it was the hard core beta and rapport that reeled her and had her going gaga, believe or not, she sort of felt like I was reading her mind,... I was just doing what I was raised to do, be extremely attentive to a woman's needs and wants, and I guess she wasn't used to that. What kicked in me in the balls about that is that with her I was always being myself utterly and completely, so when I got rejected the way I did,....which was extremely disrespectul,and now with the mind games, it was/is more brutal, then usual.

However, that being said, it is also very likely she got sick of the constant beta half way through and wanted alpha? Unlike most women who want the hard ass in the beginning and softy in the actual relationship.....it seems as if she was the opposite? I do know however that she gets all excited about the summer time and wants to go out and go nuts, (it seems like to me as if she feels like she's missing out on something big if she's not out every night). Unfortunately I never got to show her the wild side of me b/c she ended things the last day of class.

Toward the end of the relationship when I was trying to adopt the alpha mindset she was confusing my alpha activity with that of morphing into my friend, who's an asshole, if someone disrespects him.......which she did, constantly, so he wouldn't take it. She basically thought that I didnt' have my own personality and therefore adopted his, and that's a big turn off for her, (even though she does it). She sat me down and told me how no one liked him, (which is a lie), and went into her big psychological spill, (she thinks she's Mrs. Sigmond Freud or something), and told me that the way he acts is him covering up being insecure...........which actually couldn't be farther from the truth,......the guy is 41 and has been around a lot in his life,.....he does his thing and could give a shit about anyone else, unless they're his close friends.

I actually corresponded with the author several times, being that you get so many free emails with him, (I want to say 10), and he pretty much feels that I'm screwed, hahaha. The hard part with her is knowing when or if beta is a turn on and when alpha is a turn on. B/c although she's quite stunning, she does have self esteem issues, and I remember her telling me b/f about how insanely pissed off she was about a guy making a smart ass remark about her friends thong, (although the girl had low rider jeans on.....no need for a thong with those except for attention's sake),.....and saying how comments like that made women extremely uncomfortable, and made her furious.

So even though she gets her way all the time, the self esteem stuff makes me wonder if alpha all the time, every time would work,.........it very well might though. The way I was trying to come across now is that by taking her calls and letting her do the talking and let her realize that all this attention from guys doesn't phase me.........but it's also very possible that she might be just seeing me almost as a gay friend that she calls when she wants that will listen to her dumb stories, but at the same time has male insight...........damnit this is what I get for trying to out think the thoughless.

Also, last night she got a big ego boost. She was at a bar in her home town, (which also sucks b/c she goes more to where the conditions favor her.......places where there are more guys),.......and a decent amount of the popular guy crowd from high school was there, in particular two guys who all the girls went ga ga for back when she was in high school, They were throwing her compliments out the ass, obiously she was eating this up. I told her that they did this b/c they suck at life now and the hot chicks get motivated and move on to areas and guys and to other guys that actually have something to offer them,.........but I don't think this phased her, b/c I'm the one who said it, and my opinon is of no worth to her.

The problem with meeting her out, or meeting her period currently is that it's extremely hard. She doesn't want her friends to meet me probably cuz they pick up shitty guys who mess around with them constantly so they would most likely hate her for not sticking with me,...(and like I said b/f their opinions mean the world to her),..... also she probably still feels that I still probably like her and might block her from getting attention from other guys.

She has only called me to come out once, which was this past Thurs,...not a big drinking day here,.... and as I mentioned before, when she called she was decently drunk and most likely feeling like the third wheel,(this was the one and only time I couldn't go out b/c of an interview early the next morning),......if I actually call her she doesn't give a shit most of the time and will only call back if she's bored or has something retardid she wants to say.......therefore when I attempt to do my alpha thing when she calls me and switch the convo to me and how all these exciting things are happening in my life.....she gets mad, b/c the convo isn't on her, and says "I gotta go", or makes an excuse to go, and hangs up.

Maybe I need to thoroughly go back and read my e-book again, b/c maybe I'm missing the boat here. I mean she's the one who calls me and what not, but my dumb ass probably shouldn't answer at all,.........or call back in several hours, or days later ......or possibly only answer if its late in the night and there could be a shot of going out?????

Still not sure what to do about the sex addiction thing, I feel like my libido is triple what it was at its highest level,..ie, like when I was in middle school getting random errections whenever there was a slight breeze, hahaa. Seriously though, at this point in my life, it sucks, its' taking up too much time, keeping me inside from meeting people and coming close to messing with my job.

 

[smeyers]

Ignore my dumb ass long previous post. I finally got struck in the head and figured out what the hell is going on. The Alpha Male Method, wasn't really working with her like I planned.........but I tell you what.........I had David DeAngelo's e-book double your dating,.......read it once a long time back and sort of forgot about it.

Well I started to read it again today. HOLY SHIT, DEAD ON........this girl is dead on everything he says,.......wow. She did a damn good acting job. Now this kid that she's friends with, she'll probably end up going out or at least having sex with, b/c he is doing this method and not even realizing it. He's getting pissed and pouting and doesn't call etc. when he says he will and when he does he's all lovey dovey with her.............makes her wheels in her head go over time, and I can tell she's freaking loving it.

Wow, I'm just totally pissed at myself for not reading this book earlier and for my dumb ass beta up bringing. Honeslty I must have the only females in my family that don't like that stuff. The like guys that treat them well all the time, every time, no drama no second guessing..........and thats how I was brought up to treat women.........and now that I think back upon it all this stuff makes sense from almost every single girl I've ever known in the past.........they all fit the DeAngelo protocol.

I'm totally done with even thinking about sex with her. I want vengance where it hurst the worst for her........her emotions...................ANY SUGGESTIONS?

 

[Pandora]

Ignore my dumb ass long previous post. I finally got struck in the head and figured out what the hell is going on. The Alpha Male Method, wasn't really working with her like I planned.........but I tell you what.........I had David DeAngelo's e-book double your dating,.......read it once a long time back and sort of forgot about it.

Well I started to read it again today. HOLY SHIT, DEAD ON........this girl is dead on everything he says,.......wow. She did a damn good acting job. Now this kid that she's friends with, she'll probably end up going out or at least having sex with, b/c he is doing this method and not even realizing it. He's getting pissed and pouting and doesn't call etc. when he says he will and when he does he's all lovey dovey with her.............makes her wheels in her head go over time, and I can tell she's freaking loving it.

Wow, I'm just totally pissed at myself for not reading this book earlier and for my dumb ass beta up bringing. Honeslty I must have the only females in my family that don't like that stuff. The like guys that treat them well all the time, every time, no drama no second guessing..........and thats how I was brought up to treat women.........and now that I think back upon it all this stuff makes sense from almost every single girl I've ever known in the past.........they all fit the DeAngelo protocol.

I'm totally done with even thinking about sex with her. I want vengance where it hurst the worst for her........her emotions...................ANY SUGGESTIONS?

Go talk too ur mum.

 

[iwant8inches]

Damn sweets you predicted the future. She's been calling me up a lot lately. I've been letting her do the talking for the most part and mirroring/building rapport with her,......letting her hear what she wants to hear.

Only thing is, it came right back to bite me in my ass. Check this shit out. She talks about types all the time. The only one that really was her type was her first b/f that beat her. So when looking at guy number 2 and me, I'm thinking Hydromaxmmmm shit isn't adding up here, as to be expected with her crazy ass. On this topic, like I said she's been going out a lot. She's also been going places about 50% of the time with her one guy friends, who she says she's been friends with for a while, but they've never been really close, BUT they've been spending a lot more time together lately.

She claims this guy isn't her type because he's short and cut up, not the big bulky brute that she claims she wants, he has also slept with a good amount of women, (which I thought was a turn off for her, but I could be wrong), and this kid is always with another woman when he's around her, (sometimes people he's dating, but not neccesarily all the time, sometime's ex's that he's still stuck in mini leases with), but she claims he's been acting sort of weird when other guys talk to her.

HOWEVER, she also said that he is the male version of her, and that at times they get along really well, and other times that won't talk at all b/c they fight and are too similar. When she said that I started to smell the perverbial funk of emotional drama, which crazy bitches obviously love.

So like I said she's been calling me a lot, telling me about her crazy adventures at the bars, and work, blah blah, (like she does with other male friends that she didn't hook up with),.......but I'm thinking in my head o.k. build rapport, her escapades don't phase me, and possibly get her to agree that I meet up with her somewhere, take her home and get down to it.

WELL, today she calls and is like "How do you know if a guy friend likes you" And I'm thinking, son of a bitch, and she's talking about the dude I mentioned previously, and obviously the guy likes her. I asked her, "I thought he wasn't your type" and she's like "He isn't, but I just want to be preparred if something were to happen, how to respond"..............I'm thinking to myself yeah like what how far you have to open your mouth,..........I don't know maybe I'm wrong, .........this broad is the hardest woman to read ever, probably because she has no clue of self except that she wants what she wants, when she wants it, no hobbies, no interests, just baically like a little kid, ........have fun and get it my way all the time, which for little kids, and her, is constantly chaning.

But basically I'm thinking if she even asked me that, she most likely does like him, and I'm fucked. However, as an aside, she did get back together several times with the one ex that beat her, important to mention though, that he dumped her, and she was like 15, and 17 at the time, and 21 now.

Also, she was really complaining of scapular pain today, and I used to give her massages, b/c I needed hours for school for masssage therapy, and I told her that she should pop by after work, and I'd help her out, when we were cool she rarely passed up a free massage.................but what do you know, no popping by, and the phone stopped ringing, hahaha.

So I'm damn clueless right about now. B/c if she gets with this dude, I really doubt things will last, and I can hit the rebound, (but gotta be carefull I don't catch something in the process),.......however that's definatly cutting off my balls, which at this point probably don't exist anyway,.....since I'm scrapping at the bottom of the barrel. I can go the other route, which is totally don't pick up her calls, and just play it by ear in the fall. Because once school starts in the fall we are going to get hammered by work, and she'll rarely be able to go out or spend time with her friends.

The negatives to both options are: by ignoring her all together, I could be totally cut off for good, even come fall, but most likely she'll get over it, b/c she says how certain guys she knows from high school and stuff really get on her nerves, but then if they have the hook ups to get into the V.I.P. parites, she has no qualms about hanging with them for a while. ....................The negative to hitting the rebound is that I can go insane waiting around to get the timming right, and it could entreach me deeper into the friends zone if she's constantly coming to me with all her issues.

I wish I could get inside this girl's head, b/c it seems like I said with her things are constatly changing from day to day. But yeah she definatly uses what she's got to get what she wants like it's her job. I have no clue on what to do and/or how to combat this.

Damn, even though this is five days ago or something it sounds like you should try not to be there for her right now. Let her figure this shit out for herself. If you want to be her friend that is one thing, but if you are playing games with her all in the name of holding out for one last hookup or whatever then you are hurting your chances of moving on from this girl. She won't figure things out at this rate especially if she isn't learning from her mistakes. This girl sounds like a mistake for you to be involved with in any way. I hope you close the book on this girl soon or all ready have. Whatever you do don't kiss this girl's ass. Ignore her calls from now on or if you have to answer the phone act disinterested or give her the honest truth and tell her to stop acting stupid. Next time she starts asking you advice on someone like that one guy tell her you aren't giving her advice on how to avoid/get with some fucking retarded version of herself. She will continue on some bitter path and eventually she will end up with someone shitty for herself and it'll be a way for her to continue on with her self-pitying ridiculous pattern in life. She hurts people and stays clear from people that could help her out to the point of finding someone that could care for her, yet won't because it'd interfere with the only thing she has a handle on which is her manipulative mannerisms. Most of us know some girl like this, but for your sake man don't bother with her anymore. Move on for yourself. Just look at yourself in the mirror and then laugh at this whole situation because you should be out there doing better for yourself. I hope that you find someone that knows they deserve better. It's the only way to firmly establishing and recognizing self-value.

 

[UpgradingUnit]

yeah man, move on.

even if she is a fox in bed....there are plenty of foxes in the sea...

 

[smeyers]

Wow, I've gone to a shrink once before, and you guys are totally kicking the hell out of any advice I've gotten from him. It's much appreciated.

Iwant8 your 100% on with what you were saying. It's funny b/c although she has been trying to hurt and be manipulative to me, she's done the same with people in school, although not as bad, but she after school was over, (she did her manipulative act to get these people to feel bad for her to get friends when school began in the fall, I'm shy, I don't know anyone here, my b/c doesn't treat me right, type deal, and some of the girls in the class were really nice too her and really tried to help her out)........I talked to some of them recently,........my former psycho hasn't called these people, (who supposidely they thought they were really tight with her), at all, no email, no nothing.

But the shinning moment was Tues. night. Sorry, just gotta get this bullshit off my chest, b/c the dumb bitch tries to play it like I'm the one who thinks oddly....sorta like the crazy calling the sane psycho. Anyway this kid that she was asking me about, like I said before, screwed up,........and now they're just friends, probably only temporarly though, b/c the way she talks about him, obviously this will change.

Check this shit out though guys, and mind you that they aren't going out,...yet,....he got denied thus far........which makes this even more messed up.....she tells me the other night on the phone........ "Yeah if a guy came up to me at a bar, and started talking to me, Mr. X would get really pissed and not talk to me for a couple days"

Her tone made it sound like it like she was bragging, turned on, or something............so I'm like is that a good or a bad thing,..... She said both,....."It's good b/c he won't put up with my shit, but it's not good in that he won't clear the air with me and say what made him angry, he'll deny that he's mad so it won't make him look weak"..............so basically I guess once this guy calls her out, then he's totally got it in the bag........and by the way this is exaclty what she does as well, gets mad about immature shit, and deny's anythings bothering.........all about analyzing other pple but simply can not and will not say or hear anything about herself.

So I'm thinking to myself, since when is pouting, being immature and not knowing how to handle yourself, and having low self esteem, (espeically since they aren't even dating), considered attractive and not putting up with someone's shit???.....so obviously when I was trying to do the whole compromise thing in the relationship, and treat her well, and bought her lies that she's acting a certain way towards me b/c she's tired or in a bad mood from school and/or work.......so I would try harder to take the edge off for her, make her feel better. So now I'm thinking wow, she pretty much saw me as the biggest pussy/dumbass on the earth. She apparently sees sex appeal in basically the cro magnum man actions, ........she doesn't like guys to talk much, (unless it's about her, and she's in the mood to entertain questions.......attention attention attention), very possesive, and apparently act macho to the point where they're almost like characature sketches

So I'm thinking where the hell did this broad pick this bullshit up from. Then I remember her telling me stories about her dad,........this is the way her dad acted with/around her mom, and this is exactly what she wants. Her dad, in his mid 30's punched a guy in the face at a bar, out of the blue, for saying "Hi" to his wife. He also chased another guy who did basically the same thing, the guy got away, so he ripped a urinal off the wall of the bar. He also was in wrestling for two years in high school, he got kicked off both years during his first practices b/c he punched the guys that beat him in the face after he got pinned. The way she talked about her dad when she was telling this stuff to me, back when we started going out,......she was like acting like it was the coolest thing ever.

You guys are totally right this being a roller coaster ride, it's a mistake to be involved with her in any way, shape, or form, and why would anyone be friends with a leach, who's also obviously loves to manipulate,.......well maybe except for a "retardid version of herself".....haha very poinaint Iwant8
And I can totally see her being even more bitter in the near future, b/c of her really wanting to get married in the next couple years............who knows though girls like that thrive off of crazy ass drama. BUT, this has been my M.O. with every single girl I dated, even though I really thought I've screened them all very well. Hell I didn't date for 6 years, 20- till now at 26, b/c my last long term girl ended up marrying a dude that raped her...........took me quite a while to wrap my head around that one........and that girl isn't even as messed up as this one is.

I don't know, I just feel that b/c the shit she is pulling is just plain fucked up, and now I'm at the point where I realize getting some is not going to happen, if it does then I'll be preparred for the apocolypse, haha. But girls, and certain guys that were somewhat similar to her, that I've dealth with in my life thus far, are so far in their own world that they don't often realize the full magnitude/scope of the bull shit that they pull on a daily basis. So basically, since right now time is on my side,.......eh sorta.....have way to much of it on my hands right now,......I'm looking to get the wheels in her head spinning, (actually with the help of my friend who does the DeAngelo Method like it's his job,.........its has been working considerably well as of the last two days),..........and then if things start to pick up at my job, (which I hope they will), or if playing little games with her gets too draining, (which probably will be soon), then I'll just drop the hoe like a bad habbit.
I'm just under the mind set now of using this as a learning experience in case I run into another situation similar to this,.....I'll know what works and what doesn't from jump.

 

[smeyers]

Well guys although my thread is a little old, I just thought I'd keep everyone updated a little bit. The David DeAngleo double your dating stuff is definatly working for me, it's the exact opposite of what I would normally do, and I'm definatly still a MAJOR work in progress, but the more female friends I've talked to about this stuff,....they are all pretty much agreeing that most of the stuff is legit and would work on them.

It's actually working on the psycho as well, she's doing some things that are definatly very uncharacteristic in a good way and definatly is starting to want my attention, b/f she despised it. That being said, I'm not trying to get back with her, or going to try anything sexual, (unless she basically falls into my lap), etc. etc. I'm basically using this as a learning experiment/experience, and like I said b/f if things get out of hand, then I'll just completely cut the contact, which right about now would be insanely easy for me to do, unlike several weeks ago.

But anyone who is in any type of a similar situation,.......there are some nutty broads out there, .....I would definatly reccomend DeAngelo's stuff,.......also anyone who has somewhat mastered it,.......such as a good friend of mine........is an invaulable resource while your learning.

 

[sweets]

Glad to see your back on track!

 

[smeyers]

Well guys unfortunately I'm updating this post b/c I'm going to have to see my psycho ex in school here coming up on the 21rst, and unfortuantly I'll see her a decent amount, and possibly for every single class, (thank God I lucked out with labs though).

So I'll give ya a run down and any good seduction masters out there....any help would be apprecitated. What I'd like to do is get her in a friends with benefits situation, (I'm also somewhat on the fence about this, probably play it by ear cuz). The best way to describe her is that she has the memory and attention span, and many times the maturity of a 3 year old. If I didn't mention it b/f, unfortunately most women like this, .menaing very attractive with a killer bod, ...end up being tremendous in the sack. She also makes me feel like a adult entertainment star in the bed even though I'm mearly avg. size, lol.

Anyway, my big time character flaw is the few girls I have had sex with I can get big time OCD hang ups on fantasizing about having sex with soely them after the break up,..longer than is healty... at least the length of the relationship or longer. I've been making slow and steay progress in regards to her.

Anyway here's the rundown. The dude I origionally talked about b/f, where she was trying to make me her gay guy friend over.....basically she liked him cuz he's the "male version of her" (even though she wouldn't admit it she likes him) They do share some similarities she's an atention whore and so is he, they both have napolean complex's and both are never ever wrong, etc. etc.

Well this guy was there at the beginning of the summer,and then got ticked at her and disppeared in the middle,.......(she starts calling me every now and then.....the few times I answered I just busted on pretty harsh, lol).....anyway I talked to her recently for the first time in probably about a month, to ask some quick questions about school.....and I get bombarded by the newest crap about this dude, (totally wasn't prepared for it and as usually as soon as I go to fire back, someone rings her, she takes the call and doesn't call back...lovely)......who I guess is back in the picture, and he's mad at her b/c she's doing the whole attention whore thing in front of his face, (she won't dress so much like it, however any male that will talk to her, espeically anyone cocky, crass, dangerous, etc.....you guys get the deal,....she'll totally get off on the attention).

Haha......whats funny is that they'll both meet up at the bars with their friends, (not all that big of bars mind you), and then they both do "their thing" haha..and don't talk to each other till closing time......that cracks me up. Even though they'll "hang out" during the week sometimes, so who knows, depending on how long he was with her, she possibly could've banged him,...over a month, probably,......under probably not....but I could be wrong. I'm not triping on that though unless I know I might get some. If that happens though I might, that dude has been around and my ex puts it on the guy whether or not he wants to use a rubber.

Anyway. My plan of action, since I'm going to be very busy with work and school during the week, (and both currently have zero options in those avenues), ....not to mention really broke, and living on my sisters couch for the semester, lol........is to try to work something during the weekends, (which is also going to be difficult b/c I'd have to go to the girls place,....(but I'm definatly going to try), and since I'll have some random down time, and so will she, I figure hell, I might as well take advantage of the situation, and get rid of some of this sexual angst.

So any suggestions. I'm all ears. The cocky and funny route seems to work with her but not as much as I'd like.......b/c all the seduction experts use it for "high quality women"......honestly she's not.......she's let a couple of huge drug dealers chat her up for hours consistantly at local bars........now she would never do anything with them...but that attention factor, ya know. It seems like I need something a little more extreme, but I don't want too extreme cuz I still wanna tap that, lol.

So it's like do I still sit next to her in lecture,..if I do ....do I act like her stuff doesn't bother me,...(cool and indifferent to show confidence).....even though she got turned on by getting to this other dude,....("I like it when he gets mad and walks off from the bar and won't talk to me for a couple days b/c guys were hitting on me at the bar, cuz he puts me in my place")......sick I know, but she pushed his buttons and got his attention, and apparently liked it. Or do I call her out on everything and get fired up a good amount? B/c I'm thinking even though chicks like drama, and apparently she does more than average, (this chick has gotten into girl firghts this summer b/c of people saying disrespectful things to her friends,....like I said her age is 21, but actions more like 14) Fighting all the time seems like it will do a guy in eventually, (it did it for her ex b/f me, but it took 3 months of fighting and meeting the new guy....me... to through attention at her)

I'm sort of thinking just matching her bipolarness. Not totally going spastic. But sort of being fairly mean and nasty the one day,....cocky and funny the next,.....and the nice sweat guy very sparingly......just really mix it the hell up. However I'm just not sure with an attention whore, that even mixing it up big time would help yesterdays news like tomorrows top story.

Sorry about the length guys.......like I said any suduction artits, players........or even "jerks" that can give me some good info. I'm definatly interested and all ears.

 

[Kal-el]

Wow smeyers, I just read this entire thread. You are spending way to much time drooling and thinking about this girl. Who the hell cares? She's only 1 girl, and girls are a dime a dozen. Even if you manage to tap that 1 more time, good for you, but I'm sure your feelings will only snowball from there. I say drop her- you don't need an emotional rollercoaster, and focus on what matters.

Edit: she sounds like the bitch in that song "Crazy Bitch"by Buck Cherry.

 

[Pyro8849]

Wait to get back with her until you are 12x12, then.....

RIP her in two!!!!

 

[smeyers]

Hahaha 12 x 12,....actually wouldn't take much b/c she's only 5'0 and 105lbs with small hips. It does motivate me to keep on tract for sure though. I acutally bought some volume pills from gollaith labs though, just in case, I get back with her though, haha.

Kal-el, your exactly right about the buck cherry song,...I tell all my friends thats her theme song. Bro I should cut you a check or something for reading that entire thread,...insane. Especially when I was really bugging out in the beginning.

Basically I do OCD on some things, I guess it's part of my personality, whenever I really want to get something accomplished and it's really against the odds, I sort of just get obsessive, which works with a lot of things, but is the absoulte wrong thing to do with women. However, like I said, unfortunately for the time being, .....unless I hit the lottery, or find a very well high paying part time job,.......I'm sort of screwed for options.

So I figure well, unfortunately she's an option, and I must admit I'm drawn to the sex with her. I figure if anything, (now that I know what she's like and have my emotions and compsure better in check and a better understanding of her and women in general)......I might as well use it as a learning experience. Basically how to get some and still keep my sanity/compsure, and stress level down with a crazy bitch,lol....I honestly think it could come in handy one day, b/c there's a lot of attractive girls out there that are very similar to her.


Also, like I said, unfortunately for me this year from next week - mid May, is probably going to the absolute worst for female options. I was spoiled b/f....own room with cool roomates at Penn State, a decent side job that paid $$$.....thus plenty of options. Now it's a couch in the living room at my sisters apt. (who acts more like my mother than my sister), at a community college, (with my program I never see see anyone outside my class), broke, and with a very low paying job. So even though what everyone is saying is totally right, .....I figure well, since that's basically my only consistant option and the sex was outstanding, might as well give it a go........I won't have to see her after December anyway,...(we do full time clinicals from Jan-May).

*** I had a similar experience back when I was going to PSU,...messed my head up a good bit, so I decided just to focus on school and work, and not women, for 3 years,.....and although it's like comparing apples and oranges b/c of the choices and time frame.........I feel like I wasted some good opportunities,.......with this I feel if I don't at least do something that I'll be wasting another year, and kicking myself for not pursing an opportunity that could've resulted in awesome sex, haha.

 

[Kal-el]

Smeyers, It would be good news if you bump that chick again, but in all reality, it might lead to more problems down the road. Because of what I read, it sounds like you're pretty hung up on this chica loca. I think in the long run, you'll be better off if you severe all ties.

Back in the day, I can remember this one chick I was dating, and the sex was great, I thought she was the best ever and I'd never get anything better. Than comes my next GF, well it turns out she was even better, and I definetly thought I won the lotto or something with her. Then we broke up, along comes another girl, who it turns out was even better in the sack than both of them. I could go on and on but you get the point. There's plenty of girls out there, don't just settle, or think that they're the best, cause I gaurantee the next one will be just as good or better.

 

[smeyers]

Kal-el, Thanks for the advice. I'm hoping the next chick is decent in the sack as well, haven't been with a lot, only three,.....more of me being too damn picky than anything.....but the 2nd one.....ouch,.....muy mal, lol. That probably clouded my judgement some, with her I was never so turned off to sex in my life, she was just sooooo bad.

What your saying is correct though, about cutting ties,.....it really sunk in after reading a good amount of seduction ebooks and articles, ..b/c they deal on how to get women that are of high value,....and this girl isn't,...unfortunately though this seems to be the case with a lot of girls in their early 20's, her being an extreme example. Looks like I'm gonna have to go MILF hunting, lol.

Although this girl has a sweet, caring, vulnerable, and nuturing side to her, (which besides her physical attributes is a lot of what attracted me to her in the first place).......her issues with men and relationships would bascially make any "normal guy"......one who isn't into keeping her in her place via phyical abuse,......want to run.

I'm just going to have to try extremely hard to keep my focus off of doing anything or acting a certain way b/c of her,......if lightning strikes twice, (I doubt that it will happen with me, but who knows), and she would happen just to jump on me, I'll take advantage of that, other wise b/c I do tend to get OCD on things I really want, I better just stay away as much as possible. I can really just sort of sense that she likes this other dude now b/c of all the emotional roller coaster rides he's given her, and with her immaturity, even if I were to go all out....... there's no absolutely no garuntee.

I'm going to have to work on a pretty large group project with her that's due in November, so that will definatly be an interesting test of resolve,......really interestng. I saw her online today for a quick second.....and I used to be cool about things.....but probably know b/c I know she's getting online to see if he's on,.....(after finding out some stuff about her she tends to repeat patterns with guys).....it just really sent a spark through my system........this semester will be interesting.