Hello! New Joiner, 6 months of PE

**Please help**

So I just had my second round of PRP shots last weekend. Would anyone know if PRP shots have caused shrinkage before? Felt ok on the day shots were given but two days later i feel like Ive lost about 0.25 inches in length. I doubt this is a normal thing that happens but I dont understand how my first treatment was successful but the second round made things worse.

I'm really worried for myself now as its really fucking with my mental health. I feel like any direction I go with in PE (whether its stretching, shots, or taking a break) its just going to do more damage than good. I'm the smallest ive ever been and i cant take this anymore. The advice is that penis size will bounce back after some kind of trauma but its never been the case with me. Once i go small it just stays there. Idk if theres any other advice to help get me out of this, trying my best to not resort to getting an implant.

Sorry if this sounds too dramatic just needed to rant and get some reassurance.

Sidenote:
Havent Lengthmastered in a week, have only had time for RED light therapy and penis wrapping.
Shots include a growth hormone (think its HGH)
Will call my doctor this week and see what his feedback is
 
**Please help**

So I just had my second round of PRP shots last weekend. Would anyone know if PRP shots have caused shrinkage before?
Yes, this has been reported by brothers taking P-shots. The shrinkage is caused by the body reaction to penetration that may have pierced a nerve ending. It will take around 70 to 95 hours for the nerve ending to recover. Sometimes a bit longer. This allows the area where the nerve ending being pierced to recover and receives signals to relax the muscle tissues rather than placing the tissues into reactive preservation mode, thinking there are extensive damages.

Felt ok on the day shots were given but two days later i feel like Ive lost about 0.25 inches in length. I doubt this is a normal thing that happens but I dont understand how my first treatment was successful but the second round made things worse.
First treatment, the penetration zones were perfectly aligned, not hitting any of the nerve endings. This one, well, it didn't go so well. No worries. Be hitting a vein or hitting a nerve, that will heal very soon. Just don't exercise during this period of healing. Allow things to heal. Keep things wrapped up loosely for another 2 days before starting up the PE.

I'm really worried for myself now as its really fucking with my mental health. I feel like any direction I go with in PE (whether its stretching, shots, or taking a break) its just going to do more damage than good. I'm the smallest ive ever been and i cant take this anymore. The advice is that penis size will bounce back after some kind of trauma but its never been the case with me. Once i go small it just stays there. Idk if theres any other advice to help get me out of this, trying my best to not resort to getting an implant.
Stay far away from implants. Stay far away from PMMA. Stay far far far away from surgery. PMMA may lead to surgery that further mess things up.

Sorry if this sounds too dramatic just needed to rant and get some reassurance.
No, you're being a realist and an alarmist. That's perfectly normal. Something goes wrong, press that fire alarm bell. You're fine as you are when it comes to being alarmed.

Sidenote:
Havent Lengthmastered in a week, have only had time for RED light therapy and penis wrapping.
Shots include a growth hormone (think its HGH)
Will call my doctor this week and see what his feedback is
HGH should be taken advantage. HGH only stays in the body for so long. The half life for HGH to remain in your system is around 30 minutes or less. So, within a day, it pretty much leaves the system. Those who wants continuous growth of something using HGH must inject it daily. I had a few acquaintances in the past use HGH to induce their entire body growth or certain limb therapy. Pretty effective, but very expensive. I'm surprised they added into the cocktail for the injection.
 
Yes, this has been reported by brothers taking P-shots. The shrinkage is caused by the body reaction to penetration that may have pierced a nerve ending. It will take around 70 to 95 hours for the nerve ending to recover. Sometimes a bit longer. This allows the area where the nerve ending being pierced to recover and receives signals to relax the muscle tissues rather than placing the tissues into reactive preservation mode, thinking there are extensive damages.


First treatment, the penetration zones were perfectly aligned, not hitting any of the nerve endings. This one, well, it didn't go so well. No worries. Be hitting a vein or hitting a nerve, that will heal very soon. Just don't exercise during this period of healing. Allow things to heal. Keep things wrapped up loosely for another 2 days before starting up the PE.


Stay far away from implants. Stay far away from PMMA. Stay far far far away from surgery. PMMA may lead to surgery that further mess things up.


No, you're being a realist and an alarmist. That's perfectly normal. Something goes wrong, press that fire alarm bell. You're fine as you are when it comes to being alarmed.


HGH should be taken advantage. HGH only stays in the body for so long. The half life for HGH to remain in your system is around 30 minutes or less. So, within a day, it pretty much leaves the system. Those who wants continuous growth of something using HGH must inject it daily. I had a few acquaintances in the past use HGH to induce their entire body growth or certain limb therapy. Pretty effective, but very expensive. I'm surprised they added into the cocktail for the injection.
Damn you are smart!
 
Oh well just lost a tad girth now..
Really hope this turns out to be a quick recovery, wonder if anyone else here had any similar stories where they shrunk due to injury then recovered quickly afterwards and put size on fast.
I will say ive committed to wrapping for most of the day, securing 12+ hours today while at my job (key is to get a fresh sleeve but ensuring it fits comfortably and not tight). Then I noticed the changes afterwards...
Hopefully no more shrinking from now on. Focusing on penis wraps then will reutilize my Phallosan Forte and Phallosan Plus (in a downward direction this time).
 
What you lost temporarily, you'll rebound very fast. I already see the trend based on the analysis we see along from your reports.
 
Welcome back! Happy to see things back up and running. There's been a lot of changes since my last update and have welcomed the new year with new gains and newer challenges.

Long story short, I have regained a total of 1 inch in the space of 1 month, which really exceeded my expectations. Since my last update in December I have stopped PRP and mostly used wrapping for elongation as my main routine along with mild stretches during the morning, only pulling in a downward direction. I realised the importance of keeping stretched throughout the whole day and can manage to stay wrapped for an average of 12-15hrs per day, only removing during showering & sleep.

The following week, I resumed Lengthmaster work. My routine consists of 30 sec straight BTC pulls ×3-4 sets, followed by bundled BTC stretches the whole way through (easing my way from 1 full rotation to 1.5).
After my workout, I strap myself into my extender for only a few hours (only in a downward direction), but at a moderate level of stretch. Have used the same routines to this date, however the difference is that I've truly been able to feel an inner stretch during & post workout, unlike when I was using similar routines approx. 6 months ago. No workout has ever felt like a wasted workout. I mean not much changed routine-wise but it's like my penis has gone through a fresh start since my last losses in size. Perhaps it's due to my penis feeling less dense after losing girth, I guess it supports that theory about tougher penis cells being resistant to change in length (to reference previous posts).

Back to my routines, lost additional girth in my second week. One week after that, 0.5 inches in length were regained, I'm able to tell the difference in length when I try on my sleeves. Continued the same routines while keeping the same level of intensity and one week later another half inch was gained. Grateful to be closer to my length goal, however this has created a new obstacle for my penis.

Upon gaining in length, I've simultaneously gone further down in girth. My length gains appear to have dug into my natural girth size and I'm skinnier than usual. Natural glans size also went down. Yes I did find this pretty alarming (even noticing how I fit differently in my extender), but now I've realised that I have to introduce girth training going forward.

So yeah currently looking to put some girth back on so it's back to an acceptable size, but especially must do so without going backwards in length!

At this rate, pumping would be the most viable option as my Bathmate gave me my first girth gains last year. However looking at upgrading to a new pump (potentially Mityvac) to keep my penis safe as it includes a hand pump & gauge. It would also be great to make progress in EQ as penis feels more limp, just worried that the loss in girth would deteriorate EQ in the future.

Overall, I guess one of the key takeaways is that solely focusing on length can cause a sacrifice in girth and vice versa, it seems like that theory about the length vs girth ratio has proven itself again.

Another thing I've learned about PE is the importance of keeping intensity at a low-moderate level as going into stretches hard and fast can force the penis into a resistant state, hence more turtling.

Aside from pumping, I'm still looking to continue my length routines as there doesn't appear to be any signs of plateau in length. Of course this probably means that the gains will come a bit slower but at this rate trying my best to avoid any losses. Keen to see what else I can gain during this time.
 
Welcome back! Happy to see things back up and running. There's been a lot of changes since my last update and have welcomed the new year with new gains and newer challenges.
Yes we are very happy with the new forum. It took a long time but we are doing everything to perfect it.

Long story short, I have regained a total of 1 inch in the space of 1 month, which really exceeded my expectations. Since my last update in December I have stopped PRP and mostly used wrapping for elongation as my main routine along with mild stretches during the morning, only pulling in a downward direction. I realised the importance of keeping stretched throughout the whole day and can manage to stay wrapped for an average of 12-15hrs per day, only removing during showering & sleep.

That sounds just right. An inch in a month is nothing but amazing. Also glad you sticking with downward stretching as the only way to make upward stretching possible is using your lengthmaster.

The following week, I resumed Lengthmaster work. My routine consists of 30 sec straight BTC pulls ×3-4 sets, followed by bundled BTC stretches the whole way through (easing my way from 1 full rotation to 1.5).
After my workout, I strap myself into my extender for only a few hours (only in a downward direction), but at a moderate level of stretch. Have used the same routines to this date, however the difference is that I've truly been able to feel an inner stretch during & post workout, unlike when I was using similar routines approx. 6 months ago. No workout has ever felt like a wasted workout. I mean not much changed routine-wise but it's like my penis has gone through a fresh start since my last losses in size. Perhaps it's due to my penis feeling less dense after losing girth, I guess it supports that theory about tougher penis cells being resistant to change in length (to reference previous posts).

Back to my routines, lost additional girth in my second week. One week after that, 0.5 inches in length were regained, I'm able to tell the difference in length when I try on my sleeves. Continued the same routines while keeping the same level of intensity and one week later another half inch was gained. Grateful to be closer to my length goal, however this has created a new obstacle for my penis.

What is your girth workout?

Upon gaining in length, I've simultaneously gone further down in girth. My length gains appear to have dug into my natural girth size and I'm skinnier than usual. Natural glans size also went down. Yes I did find this pretty alarming (even noticing how I fit differently in my extender), but now I've realised that I have to introduce girth training going forward.
You may want to try an exclusive training of length first until you reach your goal and then tackle girth...or the other way around.

So yeah currently looking to put some girth back on so it's back to an acceptable size, but especially must do so without going backwards in length!
This is the reason I said you should do exclusive training. Some men benefit from such a program.
At this rate, pumping would be the most viable option as my Bathmate gave me my first girth gains last year. However looking at upgrading to a new pump (potentially Mityvac) to keep my penis safe as it includes a hand pump & gauge. It would also be great to make progress in EQ as penis feels more limp, just worried that the loss in girth would deteriorate EQ in the future.
Pumping plus using the Slow Squash Jelq will be best. 5 minutes of pumping and 5 minutes of SSJ and repeat 3 times is the best routine for adding girth. The MityVac is a great pump wet or dry.

Overall, I guess one of the key takeaways is that solely focusing on length can cause a sacrifice in girth and vice versa, it seems like that theory about the length vs girth ratio has proven itself again.

For some men it is exactly what they need. Consider it and see where it takes you.

Another thing I've learned about PE is the importance of keeping intensity at a low-moderate level as going into stretches hard and fast can force the penis into a resistant state, hence more turtling.

At some point you will need more intensity if you follow the SRT workout. Also if gains have stalled in SRT you simply increase intensity until you start growth.

Aside from pumping, I'm still looking to continue my length routines as there doesn't appear to be any signs of plateau in length. Of course this probably means that the gains will come a bit slower but at this rate trying my best to avoid any losses. Keen to see what else I can gain during this time.
If you don't have it I suggest the Lengthmaster to aid you in length. Stretches by hand can never be as strong as LengthMaster stretching.

Good luck and Jesus bless you.

DLD
 
What is your girth workout?
Don't have a girth workout at this time, I remember using my Bathmate some time early last year but I've only been prioritising Lengthmaster for all my PE routines. Have not attempted jelqs before either.

You may want to try an exclusive training of length first until you reach your goal and then tackle girth...or the other way around.
So are you suggesting that I hold off from pumping or any other girth exercises until at least after I meet my length goal? Not sure if this would be detrimental to my existing girth as I'm trying to avoid any further shrinkage.
 
Don't have a girth workout at this time, I remember using my Bathmate some time early last year but I've only been prioritising Lengthmaster for all my PE routines. Have not attempted jelqs before either.


So are you suggesting that I hold off from pumping or any other girth exercises until at least after I meet my length goal? Not sure if this would be detrimental to my existing girth as I'm trying to avoid any further shrinkage.
Not at all. Breaking up length and girth is done by about 25 percent of men. Some just do better concentrating on one over the other.
 
Hey looking for any advice on how to restructure my PE routines to incorporate girth work alongside length. I've been looking at some video tutorials and have noticed a few manual girth exercises that I'm considering trying out. In particular; 1. slow squash jelq, 2. c-jelq, 3. Head expansion (yes I've realised the importance of regrowing my glans back to a decent, mushroom size).

As I'm balancing my PE routines with work and other commitments I'm aiming to be as time-efficient as I can, while trying to gain fast. Here is how my routine currently looks:
Start of the morning consists of 10min exposure to MOSRED. Used to do a second session in the evening but stuck to one as I was testing to see if overexposure to Red Light Therapy causes any skin irritations (haven't had too many of those episodes though).

During those 10mins, I'll leave my penis exposed for about 3-4 mins before using the remainder of time stretching downwards for 25-30sec intervals, followed by downward bundles using the same time for each stretch. After I finish, I'll wrap myself up for elongation and go about the rest of my day. Wraps play a major part of my routine as I keep elongated for approx. 12hrs, sometimes up to 15.

During the day, I'll fit in two 20min Lengthmaster sessions. Usually one during the morning/afternoon or afternoon/evening depending on my schedule. Stretching consists of straight downward pulls for the first 3-4mins, then I'll jump into BTC bundles for the majority of the workout, alternating from left to right with 1-1.5 rotations and 30sec intervals. Each pull is used with moderate strength before easing into a stronger intensity. Generally feel a stretch in the skin but I'm able to feel a solid pull in my penis, sometimes experiencing that deep inner penis burn when the intensity is just right. Between my two sessions, I'll use my extender to keep myself elongated (or just sticking to my penis wraps if I'm out and about). For Lengthmaster, I go 3 days on then 1 day off to rest, then repeat.

As of recent, I've allocated a bit of time training girth using my Bathmate (noticed I'm slowly growing in length when inside the chamber). Hard to get yourself erect on command when you have ED but sometimes i have to use my imagination to get hard inside the chamber. Same thing, 3 days on, 1 day off. I've only ever pumped in the shower. I'll aim for 3 sets of 2-3min pumping sessions, sometimes 2 sets if certain areas of my penis/veins feel unusual or uncomfortable, and don't want to risk overworking my penis.
Lastly, before I go to bed I'll apply Vitamin E liquid on my shaft to heal the skin.

Supplements include 2000 IU Vitamin D + additional K2 (currently live in a sunny climate). Also take Maca Root capsules, I also take Vitamin B12 & Zinc periodically. Before bedtime I'll sometimes take a Magnesium tablet. Before my PE routines, I'll add a serving of Citrulline Malate + HMB powder into my water bottle.

That's all I can put together from memory. I don't feel like my Length routine is nearing a plateau but wondering if there's anything I can improve on to be one step ahead.

As for girth, figuring out how I can best tie in all these girth exercise between pumping and manuals, in the hopes of boosting girth & EQ. Also looking to incorporate deep tissue massage for penis care (reducing veins). I have one of those small heat bags that you can microwave and use as a compress, but can also invest in some massage oils too. Keen to hear your suggestions!
 
Hey looking for any advice on how to restructure my PE routines to incorporate girth work alongside length. I've been looking at some video tutorials and have noticed a few manual girth exercises that I'm considering trying out. In particular; 1. slow squash jelq, 2. c-jelq, 3. Head expansion (yes I've realised the importance of regrowing my glans back to a decent, mushroom size).

Heheheheheh..a glans man being coverted. Told you brother. Glans makes the squish-squish get better.

As I'm balancing my PE routines with work and other commitments I'm aiming to be as time-efficient as I can, while trying to gain fast. Here is how my routine currently looks:
Start of the morning consists of 10min exposure to MOSRED. Used to do a second session in the evening but stuck to one as I was testing to see if overexposure to Red Light Therapy causes any skin irritations (haven't had too many of those episodes though).

Do be careful. You can apply heat using a rice sock or the warm water thermal bag instead if you need longer warming period.

During those 10mins, I'll leave my penis exposed for about 3-4 mins before using the remainder of time stretching downwards for 25-30sec intervals, followed by downward bundles using the same time for each stretch. After I finish, I'll wrap myself up for elongation and go about the rest of my day. Wraps play a major part of my routine as I keep elongated for approx. 12hrs, sometimes up to 15.

Yes! and Yes! Preach it brother!

During the day, I'll fit in two 20min Lengthmaster sessions. Usually one during the morning/afternoon or afternoon/evening depending on my schedule. Stretching consists of straight downward pulls for the first 3-4mins, then I'll jump into BTC bundles for the majority of the workout, alternating from left to right with 1-1.5 rotations and 30sec intervals. Each pull is used with moderate strength before easing into a stronger intensity. Generally feel a stretch in the skin but I'm able to feel a solid pull in my penis, sometimes experiencing that deep inner penis burn when the intensity is just right. Between my two sessions, I'll use my extender to keep myself elongated (or just sticking to my penis wraps if I'm out and about). For Lengthmaster, I go 3 days on then 1 day off to rest, then repeat.
Now you're talking! If you need to boost it to the 4th day for that extra stress loading, try it for a week to compare. You may shift your growth into a rarere nonimal growth phase.

As of recent, I've allocated a bit of time training girth using my Bathmate (noticed I'm slowly growing in length when inside the chamber). Hard to get yourself erect on command when you have ED but sometimes i have to use my imagination to get hard inside the chamber. Same thing, 3 days on, 1 day off. I've only ever pumped in the shower. I'll aim for 3 sets of 2-3min pumping sessions, sometimes 2 sets if certain areas of my penis/veins feel unusual or uncomfortable, and don't want to risk overworking my penis.
Lastly, before I go to bed I'll apply Vitamin E liquid on my shaft to heal the skin.

If you have a problematic ED, work on the ED over the length or girth gain. These two are bonus factors. Pumping is to get your blood to flow optimally first. Once ED is resolved at 80% or even 90%, where you can get an erection on command, you'll refocus on everything else. 5x5x3 is to promote ED health over girth, where girth is an extra bonus as a result.

Supplements include 2000 IU Vitamin D + additional K2 (currently live in a sunny climate). Also take Maca Root capsules, I also take Vitamin B12 & Zinc periodically. Before bedtime I'll sometimes take a Magnesium tablet. Before my PE routines, I'll add a serving of Citrulline Malate + HMB powder into my water bottle.

Vit D? D2? D3? D3 is more effective over D2. Magnesium is a great muscle relaxer. Don't starve yourself from other essential vitamins and minerals as well. Do an overall assessment of what you may be missing as well. Dietary iodine is a very critical one.

That's all I can put together from memory. I don't feel like my Length routine is nearing a plateau but wondering if there's anything I can improve on to be one step ahead.

This is just me, but I create a table/list of the current vitamins and minerals I use. I also do a dietary intake list and rest phases. Our brother @Haursen is awesome at this before the business of life got to him. I put the daily values next to each. If there's a change, I modify it. This tracking can be done monthly, and not needed for daily. Weekly is prefered as it allows a shorter period of evaluation with greater data compilation for your needs. Daily is phenomenal but there shouldn't be any drastic change beside dietary intakes, stress, and rest phases. Why a weird thing to do? It's a historical health tracking and provide trend analysis if I suddenly hit a growth spurt or growth interference. I can back-track where things went wrong and perform immediate changes. If you need help on this, let me know.

As for girth, figuring out how I can best tie in all these girth exercise between pumping and manuals, in the hopes of boosting girth & EQ. Also looking to incorporate deep tissue massage for penis care (reducing veins). I have one of those small heat bags that you can microwave and use as a compress, but can also invest in some massage oils too. Keen to hear your suggestions!

Massage oil can be as simple as liquid Vit E, jojoba oil, castor oil, coconut oil, argon oil, or combo of quite a bit like this:


Deep tissue massage is actually used since the ancient days by kings and emperors to increase their virility by their maids, mistresses and wives. PE came a long, long, long way. Back then, they don't have effective worldwide materials like today. Today, we have everything via the internet, from ordering to how to use. Take advantage of it. We'll assist with the formulation if you need it. This where you must discover your own combo since it may not be effective for others, and others' combos may not be effective for you.
 
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