Dating or Getting into a relationship with a EXOTIC DANCER?

My Brother I lived with it for years. My ex girlfriend, Jan, came from a very bad background. We met each other in a drug rehab and when we first got together she told me she was with two men her whole life. I believed in at first but then she started to slip up and the truth started to come out. I found out that she was a stripper and that she slept with more than 100 guys . She came from a very abusive family and that involved rape incest and abuse. When she was with me I thought I could save her, I thought I could be the one that brings her to a place of happiness but that’s not what happened. For a little while she wore a mask well but soon she couldn’t act any longer.

When her true self came out we broke up and she left me, ironically, because of MOS. Her letter to me was all about MOS and how I cared more about my dick that I did about her. She said how she was going to go off and become a teacher and live a wholesome life, etc., etc., etc. about three years to the day she called me and want to come back and try it again and reluctantly agreed. She came back to me 10 times worse than she left me. She was going to go out with a wholesome life and that wholesome life included stripping doing drugs living with a guy that was in the KKK just horrid. And I thought about her letter how MOS was so bad but what she was doing was just fine :D

What I learned is once a good girl gone bad she never coming back and nobody can be anybodys Savior. There’s only one the Savior and that’s Jesus Christ. And you’re correct we are all sinners but once we except Jesus Christ we are also Saints. So the best thing to do is pray for her and others like her to find their true husband, Jesus Christ. Then and only then will they find the relief there truly looking for. And believe me I speak from very intimate experience. I can write a bestseller just based on that relationship! I’m so glad that Jesus is with you and I’m also glad that you’re with us.

Wise words my friend!!! Couldnt agree more. There is no way to rescue those people, we can just pay for them.
I have a friend in the industry, he's a producer. Wont mention his name in public because he's still involved and trying to make a come back. He comes from a very dark background. Long story short, grew up to alcoholic and drug addict parents, his dad physically abused him his whole life, after separation his mom was bringing random guys home, passing out on the floor next to him at night, of course grew up on the streets committing random minor crimes, dealing with drugs, and as an addict too. Coke, meth, since early teens. Got in the adult entertainment Biz in LA, moved to FL and started doing great. Became completely sober, clean, started doing very good as a producer, shooting for Score, Jim Gunn, Plumper Pass, Bang Bros, Josh Stone, Clubdom, etc. His decades of drug abuse took a toll on his body in his late 30's early 40's. Started having bad knee problems, back pain, teeth falling, eye cataracts, etc. In order to keep working, an evil doctor prescribed him pain killers for his knees and back. Thats the end of the story. Pills, became M&M's, not only for pain but for the brain. Wanted more and more. Couldnt shoot properly anymore, companies started using other people, broke up with his GF, pills were scarce so the dealer offered him heroin. Started shootin heroin, car was repoed, los his house, ended up on the street almost dead. A girl from adult entertainment friend of him (Jamie Valentine) rescue him and took him to rehab. Since then he's been under controlled from drugs but alcoholic. IMO, is too late for him to go back to producing in adult entertainment, but he wont listen. He doesnt have a penny and every penny he makes from random low budget shoots spend it on booze and cigarettes.

You cant change people. Eventually they gravitate back to their origins. It is sad, because in reality it was never their fault, but as you say, we can pray and hope for the best. SOME CAN CHANGE THOUGH. We all share the same potential. It is just a matter of determination.
 
@Jackxxx, I remember diamond dolls. I lived in Boca and one of my popular spots I hung at was Cheetahs up in pompano. I use to hang at allot of hood clubs like Flavors, Office, G Force, KOD and many other hood spots down in miami. I was tricking off to Blac Chyna for a while as well (allot say I was her first Rob Kardashian) lol. I hung out many nights with Dennis Rodman and had to take him home due to getting so fucked up.

The worst club I've ever been to out there was 525 on Sample Road next to the Porthole in that Brazillian Plaza. It was literally a hole in the wall. You would catch a disease just pissing in the bathroom there, I've seen so much bad shit happen in there and people die in the parking lot and they eventually condemned it.

I remember when they closed Cheetahs down on Hallendale for being a whore house. My wife even though working at Scarletts down the road was fortunate to get away from the fucking side in the clubs and focused on tourist traps in other States. Scarlets was more of a party club and it was really hard to make money in there. Actually, that was probably one of the only clubs I didnt spend money on dancers with. I blew all my money sitting in Skybox every week buying drinks.

When I met my wife, I had friends in Goldrush and I tried to get her a job there not realizing scarletts and goldrush were two completely different beasts. I ended up introducing her to Space and Molly and it blew her fucking mind. She had no idea about the night life in Florida and I popped her cherry on that one lol. She was really a lame when it came to anything outside the club.

She was the typical southern girl from the bible belt that left the small town life to Miami with a friend that knew a manager from dancing in Charlotte and started dancing in small spots. Her friend died In Miami from OD and my wife stood out there alone and got a job at Vegas Cabaret, then Solid Gold and then Scarletts became her permanent residence for 4 years.

When scarletts would close around 8am in the morning, me and a few of the dancers would go to Space until they closed in the afternoon and then Mecca (now closed) for the rest of the day and then back to the strip clubs. I did 40 hour straight party sessions back then. Sleeping in VIP etc.

Florida was very bad if you partied because its a place that never closes unlike NY or Vegas (I lived both those places as well).

My wife still dances but we left Florida years ago and moved out west and then came back to the east coast. She occasionally works in myrtle beach now during golf season and makes good money. She likes the Gentlemens clubs where the old men come in to talk all night and most are afraid to get a dance due to ED. She has it hard because clubs have a black dancer limit and now she is older and thicker its hard to compete with 20 year old Russian imports fucking everyone.

We use to travel allot, I played semi-pro poker across the US and she would dance at various clubs while I was racking up at the poker tables, it was good times man. Road trips and making money. We were true cowboys.

All the partying in Florida killed my liver and I got really sick and almost died, so nowadays, no more alcohol for me.
 
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@Jackxxx, I remember diamond dolls. I lived in Boca and one of my popular spots I hung at was Cheetahs up in pompano. I use to hang at allot of hood clubs like Flavors, Office, G Force, KOD and many other hood spots down in miami. I was tricking off to Blac Chyna for a while as well (allot say I was her first Rob Kardashian) lol. I hung out many nights with Dennis Rodman and had to take him home due to getting so fucked up.

The worst club I've ever been to out there was 525 on Sample Road next to the Porthole in that Brazillian Plaza. It was literally a hole in the wall. You would catch a disease just pissing in the bathroom there, I've seen so much bad shit happen in there and people die in the parking lot and they eventually condemned it.

I remember when they closed Cheetahs down on Hallendale for being a whore house. My wife even though working at Scarletts down the road was fortunate to get away from the fucking side in the clubs and focused on tourist traps in other States. Scarlets was more of a party club and it was really hard to make money in there. Actually, that was probably one of the only clubs I didnt spend money on dancers with. I blew all my money sitting in Skybox every week buying drinks.

When I met my wife, I had friends in Goldrush and I tried to get her a job there not realizing scarletts and goldrush were two completely different beasts. I ended up introducing her to Space and Molly and it blew her fucking mind. She had no idea about the night life in Florida and I popped her cherry on that one lol. She was really a lame when it came to anything outside the club.

She was the typical southern girl from the bible belt that left the small town life to Miami with a friend that knew a manager from dancing in Charlotte and started dancing in small spots. Her friend died In Miami from OD and my wife stood out there alone and got a job at Vegas Cabaret, then Solid Gold and then Scarletts became her permanent residence for 4 years.

When scarletts would close around 8am in the morning, me and a few of the dancers would go to Space until they closed in the afternoon and then Mecca (now closed) for the rest of the day and then back to the strip clubs. I did 40 hour straight party sessions back then. Sleeping in VIP etc.

Florida was very bad if you partied because its a place that never closes unlike NY or Vegas (I lived both those places as well).

My wife still dances but we left Florida years ago and moved out west and then came back to the east coast. She occasionally works in myrtle beach now during golf season and makes good money. She likes the Gentlemens clubs where the old men come in to talk all night and most are afraid to get a dance due to ED. She has it hard because clubs have a black dancer limit and now she is older and thicker its hard to compete with 20 year old Russian imports fucking everyone.

We use to travel allot, I played semi-pro poker across the US and she would dance at various clubs while I was racking up at the poker tables, it was good times man. Road trips and making money. We were true cowboys.

All the partying in Florida killed my liver and I got really sick and almost died, so nowadays, no more alcohol for me.

Holy shit you could write a book brother! I was I guess lucky that NEVER got tempted into drugs, alcohol. Ive always been on the "spiritual" side, always boosting my health with supplements and herbs to make me feel better. I guess thats why drugs never really attracted me. Also because I was doing adult entertainment I was very conscious about sleeping good, being healthy, etc.

I STILL LOVE THE PORTHOLE IN POMPANO!!!! I LOVE caribbean girls. Ive never had preference in race, I just love and admire beauty. And the fact that the porthole always has girls rotating from all the islands I LOVE IT!!! never saw that other club in that same plaza though. Ive been at pink too the little box in pompano lol.
 
Holy shit you could write a book brother! I was I guess lucky that NEVER got tempted into drugs, alcohol. Ive always been on the "spiritual" side, always boosting my health with supplements and herbs to make me feel better. I guess thats why drugs never really attracted me. Also because I was doing adult entertainment I was very conscious about sleeping good, being healthy, etc.

I STILL LOVE THE PORTHOLE IN POMPANO!!!! I LOVE caribbean girls. Ive never had preference in race, I just love and admire beauty. And the fact that the porthole always has girls rotating from all the islands I LOVE IT!!! never saw that other club in that same plaza though. Ive been at pink too the little box in pompano lol.

Allot of close friends always say I should write a book or a biography. I have many stories revolving around the evolution of hip hop music, adult entertainment, strippers, pimps, drugs, celebs etc.

I never liked PortHole, it was way too smoky and I can't stand cigarettes. Plus when I went a few times the women were real trashy there and literally smoking cigarettes and dancing on stage. It was a complete boner killer for me no matter how drunk I was.
Scarletts has the big New Years eve celebration\o/every year and I use to always go. My wife and I talked about going down to it this year for our anniversary but then we woke up and did a reality check, and decided we are to old for that shit now...(fail)...:sleep:
 
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Allot of close friends always say I should write a book or a biography. I have many stories revolving around the evolution of hip hop music, adult entertainment, strippers, pimps, drugs, celebs etc.

I never liked PortHole, it was way too smoky and I can't stand cigarettes. Plus when I went a few times the women were real trashy there and literally smoking cigarettes and dancing on stage. It was a complete boner killer for me no matter how drunk I was.
Scarletts has the big New Years eve celebration\o/every year and I use to always go. My wife and I talked about going down to it this year for our anniversary but then we woke up and did a reality check, and decided we are to old for that shit now...(fail)...:sleep:

You're never too old for that brother!! Just keep it healthy and safe!
 
@Lightning do you think activity is what drives the top ten count? This thread is very active so it is now number one. What do you think contributes to that?
there's a vicarious thrill to read about the dark side of humanity and it adds to the suspense if the writer is conveying these experiences first person. I've always been intrigued, (but I still have a very high 'fear factor') about the adult entertainment industry and had a recent experience with a girl who said that she'd like to shoot a 'homemade' scene with me (so the seed has been planted, lol)
 
It's a really dirty business, I've had good friends (studs) that got so mentally fucked up, it ruined their family life and they never recovered. I had a friend he just started cumming randomly in scenes without climaxing and it really screwed him up mentally.
 
Ill tell y'all my brief story in order to understand where do I come from and why I can be so critical about the industry.

I grew up in a conservative family. Not religious, however raised catholic. I would say normal childhood, never heard of evil. Never tried drugs, I guess in a way I was lucky to grow up in a very different world. It was just riding bikes and playing football outside every day. Climb cliffs, explore forests, eat fruits from trees, drink water from creeks. That was my life. Access to adult entertainment was difficult. I learned what a condom was when I was 15 years old. Me and my brother found a stash of magazines in my dad closet and hats what pretty much all the adult entertainment we had access too. Very sporadically a friend was able to get his hands on a VHS tape and that was the event of the year. I remember after watching a movie I would stay hard literally for HOURS. Kinda traumatized with the movie but horny like a bull. And I was 14-15 at that time.

Fast forward to now. I got married young. I was 25, she was 23. Responsibilities, school and other things took a toll in the relationship. My biggest frustration was sex. I Wanted to fuck 3-4 times a day, she barely had desire. Stress from work, bills to pay, university, was always her excuse. After almost 7 years, we divorced. Sex was not the only reason, but it was a big factor for me. It became a torture. I was going nuts psychologically, my behavior and character changed, everything. I never cheated on her. I decided that if this issue would lead to the end of the relationship, so be it. Burt living a parallel life of lies and secrets was not for me. I am a free American. I dont have to hide my life, nor what I need and feel.

When we divorced I was 32 (it took like 10 months after separation to be finally officially divorced) One day I was alone at my apartment and I said to myself "you know what? traditionally theres always been money in the adult entertainment industry. I am still horny like when I was 20 and I have a decent size cock. What if I try that now?"

And thats the beginning of the story. I wanted to explain that I was a regular dude, from a conservative family, married with an 8-5 job, university degree that decided to join the adult entertainment biz.

The vast majority of female and male talents join the adult entertainment biz because of the problematic lives they had. They have no other option in life. Many are convicted felons, nobody would give them a normal job.

This however doesnt make them bad people. They just happen to have a different perspective of life. A different way to see the world. Many of these people have never helped 500 bucks in their hands before their first scene. So for them adult entertainment is their life, and consequently, the celebrity status, party, money, drugs, brings many of them down like a rock.

After coming out of the industry, I know this sounds crazy for some, but I have realized that in life theres is good an evil. Inside the adult entertainment industry you see so much suffering, tragedies, problems, struggles, it really makes you wonder if going that far to the point of sodomy is forbidden in life? It really makes you think about a dark world full of swamps and reptiles, spiders....full of pain and suffering. When outside, you worked hard, put sacrifice, make less money perhaps on early stages, BUT the sun is shining every morning. Birds are singing. You wake up to a lovely woman who loves you with her soul and makes a cup of coffee for you with all the love in the world.

The adult entertainment industry and the dancing world gave me a huge lonely lifestyle. I have been single all these years. Dating girls here and there, but nothing truthful. The world changed my perception of women. I started judging women by the hundreds of women I fucked on camera and off camera. I couldnt find a woman outside because they did not match my perception of a woman. That recovery has taken a long time.

Only 2 years ago an ex girlfriend, who was an absolutely wonderful girl in every single aspect, in which I fucked up the relationship because of my own stupidity created by adult entertainment, opened my eyes like nobody did before. She told me: You have to realize that all these years you have been dating only strippers and pornstars. That is not the majority of the population. An average girl does not think like your think they think. They are different. You have to try it, you have to open your eyes and expand your mind.

She really saved me with that. I started meeting other people, socializing more, I changed my perspective of life. I changed my scope. I was blinded after years of this dark world. I stopped assuming and prejudging, and has really opened the doors in my life to so many others things, even to get my life finally on track.
 
It's a really dirty business, I've had good friends (studs) that got so mentally fucked up, it ruined their family life and they never recovered. I had a friend he just started cumming randomly in scenes without climaxing and it really screwed him up mentally.

I started having a different problem. Well, it has always been a characteristic in me, but it got worse. I couldnt cum. Naturally it takes along time for me to cum. It is called delayed ejaculation, and unfortunately theres little scientific research and medicine about it because most men are the opposite. Premature ejaculators.

But what really fucked me up and made it worse, was when I started fucking fat girls for score and plumper pass. That was the most difficult thing to do. It put so much stress in your mind, its hard to concentrate. I used to get away concentrating in their giant boobies and their pretty faces (when they were pretty) Of course I couldnt cum from intercourse so when I came the time to stop rolling and jerk off to set the cumshot, sometimes I had to jerk off for 10-15-20 minutes. It becomes HORRENDOUS. Time going by, sweating like a pig with the lights and no AC, dehydrated, tired, SICK OF THAT FAT COW in front of you, everybody in silence around you watching at the clock, etc....it is plain torture. THAT right there made my delayed ejaculation worse.

In my own personal research i know is all psychological. Its brain chemistry. I world love to have hypnosis therapy for that but I guess is expensive.
 
@Jackxxx

Man your story sounds allot like mine and many of the talents I've met. I never performed in adult entertainment I just produced it and built some really big businesses off of it.

I grew up a poor kid in Massachusetts (use to pump Bill Coby's Gas). I was in the health thing big time as well, was a vegan for a while then started eating fish for more protein when I got sick with cirrhosis later in life. I never really had much interest in women because I focused on my passions in life (music and art).

I'm one of those kids that found the dirty playboy page folded up in in the woods under a rock and saw what a naked girl with a huge bush looks like lol.

I met someone from NY that gave me the opportunity to move out there and stay with them to run a studio. It was a dream come true. Fast forward, I met all the right people and ended up living in NY for 17 years. I shot allot of music videos for many big artists ranging from Phil Collins to Wu Tang Clan. I also had a successful record company and put out many hip hop artists from Eminem to Jay-Z in the 90's.

When everything went digital, the music industry died, bootleggers couldn't even make money on the streets anymore because of downloads of Movies and Music.

I had an opportunity to move to FL and work with a big artist out there (Ricky Martin) after a while that shit died. I started loading Apple computers with Final Cut Pro and various expensive video editing software and selling them for big profits on eBay. One of the people that bought a computer from me was local, so he came to my house to pick it up. We became friends and started a adult entertainment Company. We shot many many scenes for everyone and started some big gonzo sites. Next thing I new I was managing 40 women and a few studs (biggest nightmare of my life). We had shit locked down in the adult entertainment game and was making ridiculous money. Then.............................Cameras and Editing became cheap, talent started shooting, and it eliminated allot of middle men.................adult entertainment became Free.
 
Throughout my life in adult entertainment, I've never trusted anyone period. Too many pimps, dirty shit, bad people, gold diggers, druggies, etc.

I was like you, I thought women needed to fuck 5 times a day and I was completely wrong. It caused many issues with me and my current wife because I thought fucking her once or twice a day wasn't enough for her.

Side Note: Most men think women dance because they cant get enough dick or something, and that is not the case. Most dancers I met in the industry did it for bills and attention. My lady loves the attention and thats why we work so well. In adult entertainment, many men think these adult entertainment actresses want big dicks in every scene they shoot when It is the complete opposite. We always had to pay more money for women to shoot with big dick studs and finding fresh talent to shoot with them was harder.

My wife was very mentally fucked up from dancing and being racially abused every night by racist drunks telling her they would tie her up and kill her black ass if they met her outside the club. Black men were always being way over aggressive with her, etc. She fell into the prostitution game and moved to Cali for a month but she was not making money for the pimp (she is very lazy). He wanted white girls as they make more money and he was just trying to do her a favor (they went to school together) so he set her free. She came back to Florida and danced again.

After we met in the club, two weeks later she gave up her apartment, dog, car, and everything that made her independent all for me. This shit doesn't happen, you and I both know that. I didn't understand it and I questioned it for a long time. What is her motive? Of course it had to be money, so I took it all with a grain of salt and figured I have some good eye candy but I was wrong about everything.

I use to try to catch her watching adult entertainment behind my back for the first couple years or find anything dirty on her she might of been hiding from me but there was nothing. No adult entertainment, No side dudes, I had her phone rigged and tracked everything with all the spy shit on it and nothing. Then again I was like well maybe she is just with me because of money but back then she was bringing home $2k a night just dancing. She was not sexually active at home, however in the club , she was a beast.

She was complete lame southern honest girl with the best heart and soul I've ever met. She was super loyal and honest and I was a bit insecure in the beginning because she was incredibly beautiful and could she have any man with any amount of money (Owen Wilson was a regular customer of hers) but she chose me. In fact, she was talking to a big ball player from Miami Heat when we met, so I still had no clue why the fuck she wanted me.

Years go by and I still ask her here and there, why me? and she said I just said all the right things all the time. I guess I learned allot about women throughout my industry life and I've always had a very good talking game and confidence, women love confidence, loyalty and security more than dick. It even turns her on knowing she has a man at home that is good with her dancing and not being insecure about it. Shit she still dances today when she wants to make side money or do something different and I'm good with it as long as it is no fucking. When I met her she was doing full nude so it really doesn't bother me that she does topless now. We separated for two years and she got into a serious relationship and I did too and we both were both totally lost without each other. At the end of the day, we explored other options and realized we have something more than what anyone else can give us.

I'm really proud of her and don't mind the world seeing her beauty.

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I think that this top is a real topic and its that question that we all have in our head that we don't always have the confidence to ask or talk about. I stood on this question for a few weeks because I was worried about the judgment I could or would receive, because we are judgmental and opinionated people. The stories that are being told are real experiences, and life lessons and hard ships that people want to know. People can judge but its hard to put yourself into a situation that is life altering.
 
@Jackxxx, I give the male strippers allot of props. You guys really put on a good show for the audience with the routines and outfits, shit is really planned out well. That was something female dancers lacked. They always leave no room for imagination. It was like you said, they come out pretty much fully nude or a T-bar on.

I was the kind of dude that rather tip and chill with a girl with something sexy on in a club instead of her being fully nude. It was something about fantasizing whats underneath that turned me on.

We know women are mental and men are physical. So a woman wants the whole story and guys just want to see the pussy. It's like skip through the pickup scene right into the fuck scene for dude. Where women want to watch the whole movie.

This past halloween, my wife was dancing for a bit. The club has lame dancers that all wear beach wear all the time. I told her she should try to change it up a bit and go on stage with a themed outfit like a sexy school girl, teacher or leather, lace and chains biker outfit, she thought It was really corny and it is kind of corny to me but I knew it would make her stand out. We went shopping to a halloween store I picked out some bad ass outfits for her and that night she banked big time.

Were there any veteran adult entertainment stars or male strippers you looked up to when you were coming up in the game? Like my wife use to look up to Tip Drill in Miami because she was the queen of the pole at KOD.
 
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I think that this top is a real topic and its that question that we all have in our head that we don't always have the confidence to ask or talk about. I stood on this question for a few weeks because I was worried about the judgment I could or would receive, because we are judgmental and opinionated people. The stories that are being told are real experiences, and life lessons and hard ships that people want to know. People can judge but its hard to put yourself into a situation that is life altering.

Indeed this is real my brother. Men come in here acting like they were in the adult entertainment industry and most of them are full of shit. The knowledge here is real and the facts check out. I love topics like this because it gives us a chance to share world experiences with thousands of inquiring minds around the world.
 
I watched my first adult entertainment tape on VHS with @DLD. DLD was into The Adventures of Buttman by John Stagliano back in the 80's and he took me with him to some small bookstore with a creepy old dude selling VHS tapes in the back :D those were the days. DLD had some bad ass model women when I met him, he was a true rockstar back then.
 
@Jackxxx, I give the male strippers allot of props. You guys really put on a good show for the audience with the routines and outfits, shit is really planned out well. That was something female dancers lacked. They always leave no room for imagination. It was like you said, they come out pretty much fully nude or a T-bar on.

I was the kind of dude that rather tip and chill with a girl with something sexy on in a club instead of her being fully nude. It was something about fantasizing whats underneath that turned me on.

We know women are mental and men are physical. So a woman wants the whole story and guys just want to see the pussy. It's like skip through the pickup scene right into the fuck scene for dude. Where women want to watch the whole movie.

This past halloween, my wife was dancing for a bit. The club has lame dancers that all wear beach wear all the time. I told her she should try to change it up a bit and go on stage with a themed outfit like a sexy school girl, teacher or leather, lace and chains biker outfit, she thought It was really corny and it is kind of corny to me but I knew it would make her stand out. We went shopping to a halloween store I picked out some bad ass outfits for her and that night she banked big time.

Were there any veteran adult entertainment stars or male strippers you looked up to when you were coming up in the game? Like my wife use to look up to Tip Drill in Miami because she was the queen of the pole at KOD.


As far as adult entertainment hell yeah I always admired Peter North. Without his gay beginning though lol. To each his own, I have a lot of gay friends, great people, but thats not for me. But in the case of straight Peter North, he was like the "complete" package (pun intended) He was in great shape, biblical cumshot, perfect cock size for adult entertainment, etc. One of my dreams was to do a North Pole series with him but didn't get the chance.

As far as stripping, yes is a whole different world with male strippers. Labare does not do full nudity, full male nudity is not allowed in Broward county but even if it was, they wanna keep it this way. It is more like an entertaining/sexy performance rather than something dirty or sexual. I am like you when it comes to girls. I dont even do dances with them, although I love lap dances, but I prefer to stay at the bar with a gorgeous girl in my lap, enjoying a drink, talking about life, with nice music, etc. If anything table dances are better in my opinion.

I just got in touch yesterday with one of my friends from Labare. We are planning a one night reunion with all the old school guys lol. That is going to be epic and so much fun!! Kinda an old school performance versus new generation performance on stage.
 
I have NEVER shared pics like this on a forum, I have always kept my real life very private, but since it has been years already, I am sharing some good times.

First pic is with Sara Jay circa 2012 AD shooting for her site.

Second pic is at Labare back stage before going on stage LOL.
 
@Jackxxx, awesome pictures! Yeah I've never been to a fully nude male strip club, (been to LaBares in Miami and Ft Laud) that's why I wondered about them wearing strap ons since the dongs were never exposed.

I think a big misconception is allot of men think male strippers are gay because allot of female strippers are lesbians.

Peter North is probably one of the most mentioned names around here. Many men use him as a reference point. He has been in the game along time.

A big problem with many men is they think they need a 10" dick to please a lady when most women don't care. If a man can mentally fuck a women, that is pretty much the winner.


You're a good looking dude and you have a big package already and I'm pretty sure you fuck the shit out of women like they never been fucked before due to being a performer, why do you seek to get bigger?

You fucked 100s of women already, what has been the issue with your size? Are you relly trying to get to the Mandingo status? (flex)
 
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I appreciate the honesty for the guys in here that worked in the adult industry. Its respectfully done how you have come across on here, usually when reading this stuff anywhere else, it can come across as trashy, disrespectful towards women at times, but, in this thread I feel it has been a very educational experience.
 
@Lightning Well, Labare is THE ONLY straight for ladies only club in south FL. Theres probably around 5 other male strip clubs here but theyre all gay. Not necessarily the guys are gay, some say they do it only for the money (something I couldnt do) But Labare is straight, no nudity.

You are correct, nobody needs a 10" to please a woman. There are a lot freaks out there who would love to be raped by a 10 inch, but no woman would be able to live with one that size and have 10 inches of meat all the way up to her stomach every time.

In fact I used to tell the guys at Labare about the disservice that adult entertainment has done to the people. DICKS IN adult entertainment ARE NOT AVERAGE, NOR NORMAL. Dicks in adult entertainment are WAY over average, and a tiny amount of the population has a dick that is 8 inches or bigger. The average size is around 5-5.5 inches and anybody in that category is NORMAL and can perfectly please any woman. My flaccid is around 6-7 inches. So at Labare my pouch hanging low there was the most noticeable, and of course different from the rest because mine was natural, the others are stuffed. Many girls asked me if it was real and I showed it to them or let them touch to prove it. My problem is that Im a shower, not a grower. Although my flaccid is that size, I WOULD LOVE to grow ups to 10-12 inches but I dont. My effected length is around 8.75-9 depending on the pressure on the bone.

As far as why do I want to get bigger? It is an interesting psychological phenomenon worthy of medical study LOL.

I was around 16, and every time I used to watch adult entertainment I used to think to myself "my cock is that same size or bigger, I could perfectly do adult entertainment and fuck all those hot girls" Joking around, one time I said to my friends "you know what, some day I will move to California and do adult entertainment and fuck all those bitches" without even knowing that some day in the far future I would do adult entertainment. It was never my intention in life, never my plans. When I got married, I thought it was going to be for the rest of my life.

However, even though judging by adult entertainment I knew I wss over average, some BIZARRE instinct inside me was pushing me to the idea of having a bigger cock. I knew there HAD to be a way to make it grow. Something ws telling me that the penis could be exercised just like other parts of the body.

We are now in 1997-1998 when the internet was still in primitive stages. I started searching ways to exercise the penis. I found some ads that would show Burt Reynolds makes hanging a rope with a stone from his cock and that add claim to have an ancient secret of hanging to stretch the penis.

Later in those days, I hacked a adult entertainment website and downloaded a txt file with exercise instructions. It talked about an ancient knowledge from the middle east and Africa and explained the art of Milking, Stretching, Bending and hanging. And I started doing it.

I tied a coax cable to my cock and a 10 pound dumbbell at the end and started hanging for hours in my bedroom. Started milking and stretching too. Not too disciplined, but enough here and there. And that was the beginning of my PE life.

I know I have enough size, but Ive always wanted rot be bigger and I still want to be bigger. Cant really explain why. I guess is some sort of personal achievement? Not sure...

It does has to me some influence though the fact that The Gods were bigger than us. For some time I started worshipping my Lord Priapus, and asked for guidance and help.

I have been for years researching with passion the chemical PE with some results to this day, but is not what Im really looking for,
 
@Jackxxx, The times I went to LaBare in Ft Laud they made me buy a bottle just to get in. I guess guys can't get in there normally. I really didn't want to go in the first place but my ex use to go to tootsies with me and I wanted to return the favor.

I also went to LaBares in Miami because they had the men dancers on one side and women dancers on the other. So I would go there with my ex and let her get her fantasies on while I chilled on the other side.

I'm exactly like you when i went to strip clubs, i never went in the back rooms for lap dances I preferred table dances for $10 and allot of girls would just hang with me and my boy at scars just to eat the cheese platter ? because money was slow. The only time I went in a room was to Fuck at Tootsies or Pink Pony

Allot of times dancers would come over nude and I would ask them to put their outfit back on if they were gonna chill with me.

I know the owners at KOD and they would bring out $10k in bricks and have me make it rain on certain entertainers to start the rain frenzy there. I had so much pull there that even DLD went with me one night and poured a shitload of weed out on our table and was rolling blunts all night while security stood by our side.

The funny shit is later on after I met my wife, I brought her to KOD as well and previously her and her friends got kicked out for smoking by the same bouncer that ended up getting her weed when I took her there. He even rolled the blunt for her. That shit turned her the fuck on.
 
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@Lightning LOL

Yeah at Labare guys can't get in. Only way to get in is to have a female companion and pay for VIP seating which is the bottle. Just the bottle is not enough for a guy, he has to have a female companion. If they didn't do that would be heaven for gays LMAO

I ALWAYS wanted to go to KOD. Never went. I still hope to see it someday.

Just like you, the few times I have paid for lap dance room is too fuck. Specially at Porthole, Those Jamaican girls with athletic bodies, pretty face, dark perfect skin, small waist round booty is my uber weakness. I just wanna burry my face in that ass and stick my tongue in, then sit her on my cock. And Ive done it exactly that way LOL I know Im nasty but when I get hungry I cant resist.
 
@Lightning :D

Yeah at Labare guys can't get in. Only way to get in is to have a female companion and pay for VIP seating which is the bottle. Just the bottle is not enough for a guy, he has to have a female companion. If they didn't do that would be heaven for gays LMAO

I ALWAYS wanted to go to KOD. Never went. I still hope to see it someday.

Just like you, the few times I have paid for lap dance room is too fuck. Specially at Porthole, Those Jamaican girls with athletic bodies, pretty face, dark perfect skin, small waist round booty is my uber weakness. I just wanna burry my face in that ass and stick my tongue in, then sit her on my cock. And Ive done it exactly that way :D I know Im nasty but when I get hungry I cant resist.

Funny thing is I always though KOD was a white club because the Billboard off 95 only advertised white blondes lol. I found out it was a black club after I went to Majic City in ATL. It took me two days trying to find how to get to KOD from 95 even though it's clearly off 95 and I drove by it everyday.

I never was into strip clubs or partying even, never did drugs, smoked weed, drank beer until I hit 40 and then I went ape shit. Even when i was shooting adult entertainment, I had no interest in strip clubs and honestly I looked at women as money. I could of been a crazy pimp and many people thought I was because all the random women I was with but I always lived a legal life.

When the adult entertainment game started dying, we use to travel to Paraguay to shoot because women shot scenes for $50. The quality of women were horrible. This was around the time I used to work with Ramon from Monsters of Cock.

The adult entertainment scene fucked up my perception of women and even till today, still not much turns me on except Jasmine Byrnes fat Latin camel toe lol.

I really have no more interest in strip clubs, it was a phase and its gone. Even my wife wants to occasionally check out strip clubs here and there and I'm like nah, shit is wack. Even when she works, I have no interest in stopping by.
 
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In order to not highjack the thread and to help OP with his situation, I can tell you from personal experience as a stripper that we men and women strippers are not too different. We become masters to hustle. We will make you fall in love and give us everything. Thats our job. It takes a very patient strategic job on your part to determine the intentions.

If it became practice to only see her at the club and spend money on her, thats a bad symptom. If you find out and she notice you walking away, she will give you the chance to meet her outside one day for a coffee or something at which point she will use all her power to make you fall in love again and become hypnotized to go back to the club and spend money on her. It will make you feel like "her daddy".....like "im the one who takes care of her, Im so proud of myself" She will flirt with you at the club and make you feel like "you're the one".....like "he look Im here making money from other guys, giving dances, but you're my daddy right there" and in reciprocity you will keep spending money on her and coming back to the club.

One thing you can do in order to even out the situation, and this will really piss her off, is hang out with different girls. Now this is tricky: She will get pissed because of two different possibilities. 1. She se that she's losing that money to another one or 2. She has feelings for you and she's jealous. Therefore, hang out with another one, spend money with the other one, but dont let her see that youre spending money with the other one. So if she comes to you to confront you, just be like "baby Im not even spending money with that girl, were just talking, hanging out. Eventually SHE WILL find out in the back if you were spending money wirth her or not, but hey, this is a game. The best player win. You HAVE to play hard with her in order to find out her true intentions.

If she's the one looking for you, trying to meet with you, spend time with you, trusting you her secrets, then those are good signs. If the tries to keep her stripper world completely away and separated from you, thats another good sign.

There as a book, a masterpiece of business that apply to many situations in life called "The art of the deal" written by the 45th President of The United States Donald J. Trump. That book will enlighten you not only for work and business but in many areas of interaction with society and how to manipulate humans to win.

I had girls taking me on vacation to expensive hotels, taking me shopping, dining, then making it rain on me on the stage. And on top of that I fucked the shit out of them. Its all games. Dirty games.
 
Been there done that lol I was a big time rookie trick in the beginning and thought I had all these strippers on lock down. I wined and dined with many but the bad thing is that when they went out with me, I stopped going to the club and they lost that club money.

My first big splurge ever was at Cheetahs Pompano. There was this incredible beautiful Egyptian girl with huge natural tits and I was sold. I have pictures of her and I will post tomorrow.

I went to the club and made it rain on her with $1k during one of her stage sets, after that she was mine or so I thought. That's something that never happens in cheetahs (mostly working class John's there) and every woman had there eyes on me and management treated me like royalty.

We went out to eat every day and eventually I stopped going to the club but still went out with her. Come to find out she was a big whore and I never attempted to fuck her. I just went out with her everywhere because she was eye candy. She eventually moved to NY and I never heard from her again.

I think that was a big mistake for many dancers is taking it outside the club with me. Because yeah they might go out and eat and go shopping to give you the "girlfriend experience" but nobody was special to me because I eventually realized it was all a hustle.
 
@Jackxxx I forgot to mention, my favorite thing in strip clubs was getting massages. I had many massage girls at different clubs and they made all my money. I would get two hour massages many nights at Scarletts, Amanda was my girl there, we became good personal friends. We all went to Space frequently.
 
@Lightning I know!!! theres something very special about strip club massage lol. I guess is because you're in an environment that you like, enjoying it, so a massage on top of that is like the icing on a cake LMAO.

Although I never really got a lot of massages because I used to save every penny for pussy.

I also blew A LOT of money back in the day. I wasn't born a stripper and a pornstar LOL. After I got divorced and I was still a regular joe, I started going to scarletts every single weekend. This was 2007-2008 years. I was taking girls to the private upstairs, etc...blowing money on stage, inviting them all for drinks, etc... I was going through some crazy "adjustment" period. By mid 2008 I settled down and continued with my life.
 
2010, man those were the days.

For me, it was Molly, Electro EDM, 100 Beautiful women and long massages. Life was no better man. (hearteyes)
 
100% concur, this is a most excellent thread.
Tornadocock did great getting this all started.... hey, Tornadocock - updates on your situation?

I agree this has been an educational experience...I think Tornadocock's question has steered the thread off track.

Is it possible for you two @Jackxxx and @Lightning to have a new thread about the adult entertainment industry so that OP's original thread stays on course? :)
 
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I think all the input/replies are extremely on point with dealing with strippers.
Great information and I hope helpful to Tornadocock.

I would hope TC comes back and gives some updates.

With work I am in stripclubs often and enjoy the ‘take out’.... I love this thread!
 
In order to not highjack the thread and to help OP with his situation, I can tell you from personal experience as a stripper that we men and women strippers are not too different. We become masters to hustle. We will make you fall in love and give us everything. Thats our job. It takes a very patient strategic job on your part to determine the intentions.

If it became practice to only see her at the club and spend money on her, thats a bad symptom. If you find out and she notice you walking away, she will give you the chance to meet her outside one day for a coffee or something at which point she will use all her power to make you fall in love again and become hypnotized to go back to the club and spend money on her. It will make you feel like "her daddy".....like "im the one who takes care of her, Im so proud of myself" She will flirt with you at the club and make you feel like "you're the one".....like "he look Im here making money from other guys, giving dances, but you're my daddy right there" and in reciprocity you will keep spending money on her and coming back to the club.

One thing you can do in order to even out the situation, and this will really piss her off, is hang out with different girls. Now this is tricky: She will get pissed because of two different possibilities. 1. She se that she's losing that money to another one or 2. She has feelings for you and she's jealous. Therefore, hang out with another one, spend money with the other one, but dont let her see that youre spending money with the other one. So if she comes to you to confront you, just be like "baby Im not even spending money with that girl, were just talking, hanging out. Eventually SHE WILL find out in the back if you were spending money wirth her or not, but hey, this is a game. The best player win. You HAVE to play hard with her in order to find out her true intentions.

If she's the one looking for you, trying to meet with you, spend time with you, trusting you her secrets, then those are good signs. If the tries to keep her stripper world completely away and separated from you, thats another good sign.

There as a book, a masterpiece of business that apply to many situations in life called "The art of the deal" written by the 45th President of The United States Donald J. Trump. That book will enlighten you not only for work and business but in many areas of interaction with society and how to manipulate humans to win.

I had girls taking me on vacation to expensive hotels, taking me shopping, dining, then making it rain on me on the stage. And on top of that I fucked the shit out of them. Its all games. Dirty games.

@Tornadocock , this is good shit right here, right on point.
 
@Mike03016, what has been your experience in strip clubs? Where are you located?

I am in the Detroit area and in the manufacturing business, so I entertain often at the clubs on 8 Mile and being that I like drinking beer, hang out there even when not entertaining. Lol

In Detroit depending on the club, everything is on the menu.

Being that I am the one paying for others (well, the company is) to have dances I almost never (almost never but not never and have some stories) go in the back.
I enjoy hanging out with the bartender, doing some shots (seldom to never pay for shots, the clubs are pretty generous with this) and then have a couple of dancers that I will bullshit with and get drinks for.

I will add some stories to this but honestly, it has just been great reading everything.
 
It's great to hear everyones experiences because these are things most people want to know about and don't know who to ask or see if what they are experiencing is normal or not.
 
So the last week I went to see her and we had our usual fun. But I did tell her that I got to stop coming by because i have other commitments that I have in the new year that I have to focus, and that it was just happening way to often. So I didn't ask her on a date particular from what I read here on the forum and part from what she told me that last visit. She said ya we should take a few weeks off but then I corrected her and said we should take a few months off. She told me that I would be horny and be back sooner or she would send me a picture of her pussy and I'd be running back.
 
If she asked me out I would definitely date her, I don't know why I didn't ask. But the reason I posted this here was because from what I read online it's not that guys or girls don't date or get into relationships, it's that strippers usually don't give out there real phone numbers or real name and identity. Mean while I know about her new job that she just started which is a good job that has benefits and what her parents did and the other day she was babe sitting her nephew.
 
I can't say that I didn't have fun every time I walked out of the club I had to go through the back door because she cam so much I had to throw my pants and underwear in the wash sometimes even my shirt. ?.
 
I think in a way I benefitted from having a little more motivation to focus on my PE and now hopefully my weight loss. I lost like 30 lbs in the last 6 months. I would do an extra session just before going to see here, and I enjoyed her ride me in the back.
 
You may have over read into some of the post.
Many strippers give out their real info, especially to someone like you that there is some trust with.
To just the standard John, of course not as he is prolly her next stalker...

I really think it is totally worth you asking her out or at a minimum take her open inventation and spin it a bit for an outside the club encounter.

I have had a number of strippers I get with as fuck buddies. We have a great time together and you will be shocked once you get it to this, the number of times she initiates the encounter.

You need to see where this can go... it may not go anywhere but if you have some confidence and believe in yourself, based on what you have typed, I really think you have an awesome fuck buddy in the waiting.
 
I think I made the mistake of not reacting with confidence when she made the opportunity available. Like I said I'm really out of practice. If the worst that comes out of this is a really good fuck buddy, well that's good in my books ?.
 
I'm gonna see what happens so far we have still had communication the last couple of days even though I said we can't meet up anymore.
 
So you are fucking her in the club. Has she asked you to meet her outside the club or are you thinking about asking her to go out on a date or something outside the club?

If she is fucking you in the club, she is most likely fucking others as well.

Strippers will give you some personal info or make a story up they use with all their customer that spend decent money.

When I met my wife, she gave me her real name (so I thought) which wasn't her real name. I think we went through four real names before i got her birthname. And I got that finally when we met outside the club and I saw her registration to her car. Talk about trust issues :D
 
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