advice on buying kava kava-like stuff

Okay guys thanks again.
I emailed http://www.nakamalathome.com/ heres what I asked

This is a copy of the following message you sent to Nakamal@Home via Kava: Buy Kava Kava Root Here To Make Kava Tea At Home, Nakamal Style.

This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.nakamalathome.com from:
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Hi, been wanting to buy this for awhile now and your site seems really good.
Firstly I was wondering which is the best method, powder or capsules? I was thinking about buying capsules and just swallow them and the kava do the rest, but is it just as effective as the powder method? i.e the traditional route.

Secondly, your chiefs jungle kava you say is very strong and not for the newbies, is this because its very strong? Is it the strongest kava you can get.

Thuirdly, do you have any problems [honestly] shipping kava to the UK? i.e customers from the UK who buy kava from you, I'm from the UK and its banned from England but I hear its legal to get outside, have you had any trouble getting it into the UK.

Lastly, If I bought the coconut cup, cloth and the kava root of the chief variety, how much woukld I need for it to relax me do you think? I know we are all different but its the strong variety and I gather not much would be needed to drink.

If I'm going to buy from you, I would be after the coconut cup, cloth, chief kava and viva tea.
How much in all would this be and the postage and packing please.

Regards thanks for the help

and this is the response

The best method of taking kava is preference. In my opinion kava pills are garbage and I don't use them or sell them. most kava pills are made from extracts that use wicked solvents like ethanol and acetone to extract the kavalactones at around a 30% content. Kava root is around 6-12% kavalactone content and the beverage made from water is around the same. Taking kava pills and extracts means you are taking concentrated products that your liver must work harder to process.Making kava juice in the traditional method is best in our opinion.
The Chiefs kava should not be drank by people who are new to kava, it is a waste of their money because it takes a new comers body a few tries to learn about the kava and it does not matter if you take potent kava or every day kava, the effect will be the same so why waste your money. Also the Chiefs kava tastes extra bad and is harder to drink. Better left to those with experience. The chiefs kava is the strongest kava that I have ever seen or heard of and yes it is the strongest kava we sell.

It is a very big hassle for me to ship orders out of the country compared to domestically. For domestic orders I merely print the postage online and drop the orders at the post office. No hassle or minimum hassle anyway. For an international order I have to fill out a bunch of customs forms and then physically go stand in line at the post office to mail it because they do not allow international drops. This adds around 30 minutes of my time sometimes and if I only have 1 international order that is small it is not worth it. I have made a couple of deals with international people and here's is how it works. Anyone that wants kava sent out of the country has to make it worth my while for the extra hassle incurred and the extra expense of paying my employees to stand in line at the post office. I don't have a minimum order, my customers have taken it upon themselves to order at least 3 kilograms. Also, there is a risk that kava may be stopped at the border by foreign customs or levied some tariffs upon entry into the country and that is a risk the customer takes. Thus far I have never had an international order get seized or lost nor have I heard of anyone getting socked with any tariffs as kava is usually classified as tariff free around the world but again that is a risk that the customer must take. Kava is still banned in UK but kava root seems to go through customs in small amounts for personal use from what I hear. Processed kava products like extracts and pills are probably what they are more concerned about. I have not sent any kava root to England myself but I know people who have.

How much kava you will have to drink to get the effect is unknown. it depends on how long it takes for your body to learn to process the kava efficiently. Normally you will need to drink about 8 oz. for a good effect or 2 servings.

Let me know if you are interested in taking the risk and making a worthwhile order and I will let you know how much it will cost to ship it.

Regards


Now guys, is he just playing safe by not wanting me to jump into buying the cheif kava which is the strongest and from Vanuatu or does it not matter if you get less potent stuff over more potent because you get the same effect?

Link to the cheif jungle kava https://www.nakamalathome.com/buy_kava/home.php?cat=266

I would like advise about potency from users and advice on which to buy from that website. Tasteing bad doesnt matter to me, I drink...well did drink near spirits eachday no problems so I'm used to shit going down my throat.

Also for users again, what do you think of these two sites http://www.kavakava.org.uk/ and these http://www.shamanspalace.com//product_info.php?products_id=276 who sell it as a -paste at 90% potency.
 
Alright the guy is SO HELPFUL and has answered what I asked in my last post here.
Here's his reply.

Kava is not like alcohol at all. What these other users are telling you is true only if you have already taken enough kava that your body has adjusted to it and learned how to process it efficiently. Kava is not a drug and it is not drug like so it does not produce reliable effects consistently from user to user or dose to dose. From my experience I have found that when a user first starts taking kava they often times feel no effect or a light effect the first few times the consume it. They have to get through the adjustment phase. Some peoples bodies adjust to it more quickly than others. Maybe you will feel the full effects your first time but chances are you will not. Regardless of whether you take the strongest kava in the world or high quality kava more suited for everyday use. It is not a good idea for users to drink our most potent kava everyday. The natives do not recommend drinking it everyday. It is used for special ceremonies by them only. We serve this potent Chiefs kava at our kava bar only on the weekends. So to tell you the truth if you have no experience with kava I would not just jump into the most potent stuff first. I have a higher profit margin on the Chiefs kava than I do the Black Sand kava so from a business perspective it would make more sense for to take your money and send you on your way. I am an honest businessman and I am telling you the truth unlike anyone else will. It does not make sense for you to buy the more potent and more expensive to start your kava journey because you will not get much more effect out of it than our black Sand kava which is almost 1/2 the price. After you build up a good relationship with the Black Sand and are confident your body is catching on to the effects you can move up to the Chiefs. You will have to drink the same amount of either kava to start. I do not want to cheat you, that's all.
What are you talking about charging you extra? In no way do I have any intention in charging you extra to send you an order internationally. All I ask is that people be mindful of the fact that sending an order out of the country is not that simple and we ask them not to order small amounts. Honestly its not worth it to the customer either because the cost of goods per weight increases because the shipping will be more expensive for a smaller amount of goods than a larger amount. You pay in shipping whatever the shopping cart calculates when communicating with the US Post Office. We don't make money on shipping.
Let me know when you decide what you want to do.
Regards,

Jeffrey A. Bowman, M.B.A, Eng.
CEO & Co-Founder
South Pacific Elixir Company, Inc.
Boca Raton, Florida
d/b/a Nakava
d/b/a Nakamal@Home

This is what I aim to buy....

#1 Black sand kava of perhaps one of the others not mentioned
#2 Viva Tea
#3 Kava Bowl
#4 Preperation cloth
#5 Cheif kava
 
UPDATE:

Okay, firstly I'm now not buying from http://www.nakamalathome.com/ because the postage from the USA to the UK is far too expensive unless you want to buy in bulk.
I aint tried Kava yet so it wouldnt be wise for me to spend so much money on it, the postage makes it even less appealing. But let me tell you, that site is the MOST HELPFUL SITE I HAVE EVER COMEACROSS in all INTERNET surfing for me. The guy is soooo helpful and honest its unreal. Email him with any quesitons regarding kava and he'll respond, he's a decent man who runs a booming kava site and kava bar. His prices are great and he sells good quality PNG grade kava, which is the strongest and comes under Cheif kava at his site and is only for those who have already been usded to kava. He told me you dont always feel the effects on your first go, and if the kava isnt fresh than you wont feel anything, it must be fresh and you must work your way up the strenghs of kava. He said that Vanuatu kava is amongst the best, but Papua new gunea 'PNG' is the most potent, but for veterna drinkers. Hawai kava is also good he said. Didnt comment in Fiji kava or anyothers. He sells the kava at a great price aswell but the postage is too much for me, if you live in the USA or near to it than I say GO FOR HIS SITE, because its sooooo helpful, cheap and honest. He also sells the cups and cloths plus other bits 'n bobs. He also told me that he's working on getting a European branch of his trade setup within 12 months, so I told him I will buy than, the postage will be allot cheaper for me.

Now what I'm going to do is order from http://www.plot55.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=kava which is based in WALES and its legal for them to sell Kava in the UK.
200G of the PNG grade [very potent] costs £16 and the postage is around £1.50p.
I'm going with that but will drink it in small amounts for my first 3-4 times until my body gets used to it, like advised by the guy in the USA at the previous website.
I will than see how it goes. Anyone who is in the USA should IGNORE this site because its nowhere near as cheap as the US guy. EVERYTHING in the UK is more expensive than anywhere else, so why not the fuckin Kava. £9 for 250G at the US site, and its the same potent PNG stuff [Cheif kava] but anyways thats life living here. I will buy that and see how it goes and report back. The site dont sell the cups or the prep cloths, so I will need to look about for alternatives on them.

I have also emailed the guy at http://www.shamanspalace.com//product_info.php?products_id=276 about his 90% kavalectone kava paste and he says its from Hawai and only a dose the size of a pea is needed. I would be interested in buying from him once I adjust to the PNG kava from wales, because at 90% its kinda like a whiskey for kava and very potent and dangerous if abused, infact its such concentrates which caised the whole liver scare with regards to Kava. I also emailed the honest guy at the first site about that paste and heres his reply

The paste is strong. I will give you that.If it is CO2 extract of kava it should contain only kavalactones.They take kava root and put it in liquid CO2 under high pressure to extract the kavalactones. CO2 is an inert gas that will not react with anything unlike the other substances they use like ethanol or acetone.I personally believe that CO2 extract is safe in theory. I myself have had this stuff from Hawaii and it definitely will do the trick.
What I do have a problem with is the concentration. I shouldn't tell you this but I am going to.Please don't think I am saying this to sway your decision. I took some of that extract paste and I felt the effects of kava but it was imbalanced to me.Not the same as from drinking kava. Also when I took this paste it made me have a hard time urinating and gave me some pains in my kidneys while urinating. I personally will never eat this stuff again. Also, they say 28 grams is a lot and I don't think so.I bough 28 grams of this stuff and it went pretty quick just me trying it out.
Now I don't know if you know what caused the liver scare in Europe but it was from companies selling kava extracts that were 90% pure kavalactones. Almost all of the cases of liver problems to this date that started this problem were based on people that were taking these potent extracts which Merck and Pfizer stopped selling immediately. The full report on this problem is below along with another article about it. I have plenty more if you are interested.
http://www.analyze-realize.com/Publications/Kava.en.html
http://www.herbalgram.org/herbalgram/articleview.asp?a=2147
Kava root itself has a concentration of kavalactones around 8-12% on average. The strongest kava in the world that I have ever seen has around 20% kavalactone content.This is our kava from Papua New Guinea we sell as Chiefs kava. Making kava more concentrated than it comes in nature is what caused the kava mess in the first place. I'll just stick to drinking kava which so far has been deemed safe.
I am not knocking the competitors products. I bought mine from http://www.konakavafarm.com/price.html they have a 70% kavalactone paste that I know works.I have also tried this companies products http://www.ethnobotanicals.com/Kava-kava.html That was the one that gave me the problems. The first one I mentioned kona kava farm did not make my kidneys hurt but I did still notice a small problem urinating. That is really gross I know but you want the truth you get it here.
I would have to say that your chances of getting that through customs in the UK will be less than getting raw kava root from what I know. Concentrates and extracts are medicines and raw kava root which is unprocessed is not as far I can tell.
Your welcome to try it and if you decide you want some kava root let me know, my offer will always stand with you

So this stuff is just for NOW and AGAIN, once in a blue moon because its not the natural potency for kava and is VERY STRONG SHIT.
The guy at the Shamans Palace is alright, doesnt answer very quick but he gets their in the end. I currently asked him about the whole custom issue, what if the paste gets seized at UK customs, where do I stand with regards to my product and cash.
Also asked about postage fees from the US to the UK for the paste.
I will update on this when it arrives.

So I will soon be buying 200G of PNG kava from http://www.plot55.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=kava for a total of £17.74 including postage and packing from Wales to England.
If I like it and it likes me than I will keep doing some buisness and in time I will buy the paste from the shamans palace. Hopefully once the guy at http://www.nakamalathome.com/ gets shop setup in europe I will order from him.

Regards
 
Okay I received my order of 200g PNG kava today from plot55.com based in Wales.
Cost me total of just over £17 including postage and I shall try it soon once I have something suitable to drain the root into.

Also I've sent a order to shamanspalace.com for X1 10g 90% Kavaclatone paste from Hawai which is the most lethal potent kava you can buy and only for now and again, used in pea shape amounts no more than twice per day.
Total for that from the US to the UK with postage is just over £20.

Will tell you how it all goes in due course.

I say to anyone from the UK who likes their *ahem* 'stuff' to visit www.plot55.com and have a look.
 
I tried the kava tea, it tastes very peppery with some ginger added for good measure lol but I did use the PNG brand which is amongst the strongest tastes.

It made me feel more relaxed, kinda like my mind had been wiped clean like a slate and I had no worries. I even tried to make myself made and think about annoying stuff but it didnt make me at all angry, the tea seemed to hold it off.

Kinda felt slightly dizzy, more light headed. The effects were weak because #1 Your body MUST get used to kava before the effects get better and #2 I only drank one cup of it, I suppose 2 or 3 would be much better but I was experimenting and I know for nextime.

You dont feel anything you do with alcohol, which is great but it has that relaxing effect on you which IMHO would be allot better with more you drank of this stuff. Its powerful indeed but the taste isnt nice and you must down it in one, plus it numbs your mouth and tongue for 20 minutes or so.

You can also chew on the roots, I did not too bad

My next venture is trying the 90% Kavalactone paste from Shamanspalace and consider that natural kava tea is between 10-25% kavalactones, its VERY strong and only X2 pea sized amounts should be taken eachday.

My future reports and expericnes will follow, feel free to post about your journeys with the kava ect.
 
I've tried about 5 different types of Kava Kava from all different places. I was told by some expert drug users that www.iamshaman.com has the best stuff, the paste.

"70% KAVALACTONE PASTE: This paste is one of our all-time favorites! It is root-only (no liver damage) C02 cold extraction technology, for an ultra-pure extract. One pea sized serving is enough for a relaxed and happy experience. There is a reason this is the National drink of Fiji; and with the liver damage reports proven false, you can indulge with confidence. The FDA recommends no more than 2 pea-sized amounts per day, or the equivalent of 2 capsules per day."

I bought 6 oz of this paste crap. I ate 1 pea size like they said. It looks like play dough and tastes like novacaine. It did nothing. I ate 2 pea sized the next time. Nothing. The third time I ate it I ate a superball size of the stuff, which is about 1/2" diameter. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

The fourth time I ate it I ate a superball size of it, then I made tea out of this crap.
"POWDERED ROOT: Our Mahakea kava root has matured for over four years, and has the most desirable 426 kavalactone/chemotype line up. We are proud to boast more returning customers than any other Kava farm we know of; a testament to the purity and potency of our 'Awa."

So I ate the ball and I drank 4 tablesoons of the powerded root above. I felt a little dizzy, but I'm dizzy naturally anyhow.

So to me? Kava Kava is bullshit. Perhaps it does something to other people, but nothing to me.

Now, if you really want to get a buzz that will knock your sox off, I'd suggest Kratom paste. You have to be careful with this stuff though as if you do it too many days in a row, you could get very very angry. I have a natural propensity towards RAGE, so for me, I can only do this stuff once in a while.

"Typically, 14 grams of Mitragyna speciosa was extracted into water in Thailand, and drank in one gulp as a tea, or made into a resinous ball, then swallowed. Our carefully crafted resin acetate contains about 7 grams of water extracted Kratom leaf in every gram. In theory, 2 grams would produce a mild effect, and 4 grams would produce a strong effect, but we offer this dried plant material as an herbarium specimen for the curious and it is not for human consumption"

They say not fit for human consumption so they don't get sued. But man, I did 7g of this crap (bought like $200) worth. I was so messed up, I puked and had to lie down. The only other time that happened was when I downed a 20mg oxycontin. DAMN this stuff was like a punch in the face. After a while I got up and enjoyed a good 3 hour body buzz. Yes it's legal to sell in the USA. But be warned, this crap can become a real problem real quick.

KAVA = CRAP
KRATOM = :bouncings

http://www.iamshaman.com/
 
Red-

Phenibut is similar to Kava-Kava. This thread is titled advice on buying kava-kava like stuff.
 
Sorry Swolejah I didnt relaise how I worded the thread title :) you were right, perhaps some feedback on that drug.

kfarrelldba, great what we needed..FEEDBACK but I had different experiences than you when I used the 90% paste from shamanspalace which WORKED WELL. I've also heard of the Kratom stuff which I recommend UK users buy from plot55.com
 
Yeah well Red it's basically similar to kava, but some people get sick from phenibut, but most don't. Positive signs of mood enhancement and anxiety relief, along with other benefits.
 
I just happened to come across this post it's about a month and a half old so you've probably already experimented with the Kava Kava. You're looking for something to alter your mood...hence you're probably down i.e. depressed. Using a stimulant like Kava Kava I think will actually worsen the situation. Depression goes hand and hand with anxiety using a stimulant will only increase the feelings of anxiety, due to its ability to increase mental functions. For example your more susceptible to be caught in negative mind states and not break them...kind of like your other posts regarding thinking your cock was small. From my experiences and talking with a holistic doctor the best thing to supplement is vitamin b complex. it's claled "stress b-complex" and it contains vitamin c. I know I might catch some shit for taking this view, but it does work. Also how are your sleep patterns, nutrition and sleep patterns? these also play a big part in modd. well I hope this helps.
 
Phenibut KICKS ass..

It makes me invincible like superman

I recommend Psychotropin from ergopharm, its loaded with good shit like L-THEHAMINE AND ETC.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
Alright I want to buy some for me to try and also for a freind.
Kava Kava is something from the Pacific and used by people from Fiji etc to make them feel happy. I was wondering if anyone has anyother suggestions for LEGAL herbs like kava kava that affect your mood and any feedback from your usage of them.
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Sadly, Kava Kava was banned in the UK !
There was a possibility of liver damage ...
It was a natural tranquilliser.
Some folks swear by Hypericum (for depression) and Vallerium (for insomnia).
Ask at your local health food place !
 
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