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Congrats brother. This is just merely a light gain. Keep going and you'll enter multiple phases of accelerated gains.
Congratulations!!!I measured girth today before srt 5x5x3
After 72 hours without.
And it was 0.5-0.7cm bigger than my known girth.
Quick question:
I noticed that when im practicing srt 5x5x3 day after day.
At the 1st day i get significant temporarly expantion after.
But at the following day, i get less expantion.
Today for example was a following day, i started with temp expantion of 0.5cm already before i started the excercise (i guess from yesterday excercise). But the after today was less than after yesterday.
Is that normal?
Is that a hint from my body that i should not do day after day?
I noticed that when im practicing srt 5x5x3 day after day.
At the 1st day i get significant temporarly expantion after.
But at the following day, i get less expantion.
Today for example was a following day, i started with temp expantion of 0.5cm already before i started the excercise (i guess from yesterday excercise). But the after today was less than after yesterday.
Is that normal?
Is that a hint from my body that i should not do day after day?
This is normal. Let's break it down:
During the initial day, the expansion is optimal and can be achieved at 0.5cm. This is actually a very normal expansion for most penises using pressure between 5inHg to 6inHg. This is even more normal for veteran pumpers that have thick tissues over the years of pumping.
Then, on day two or day three, the expansion seems less. Why? Tissues are working hard to repair, and during a high stress point on day two or three, the body signal to fight back as hard as possible. This means at 5inHg or higher pressure, the body recognizes as micro traumas being inflicted on the penis. So, optimal expansion is not achieved. During these days, we play a more strategic game with the penis by reducing the pressure by 1inHg, pump less, and perform more SSJ in lower intensity than the normal aggressive days. This allows expansion still, at a slower pace, but still achieve good expansion close to the 0.5cm. we focus on positive pressure through SSJ rather than negative pressure through pumping. Positive pressure is recognized by the body as internal regulated pressure, and although there's an imbalance of positive pressure, it doesn't mount a defense like a negative pressure cause on the body.
You can allow a one day on, one day off routine so your body can also rest. This is another routine approach to trick the body.
Hi
Gain status update:
On Girth (which is the more important aspect for me) i started seeing results recently finally after a long time with no results.
But at the length side i stopped gaining since Apr 2024 (7 months now).
Summary of my length gains so far since the beggining:
after using noose extender for maybe 7-8 months + manual hand bundled streches started week or two (before the first gain) i suddenly saw around 1cm grow (17>18.0).
At that point i started LM at Feb 19 2024 in addition to reducing extender.
At Apr 13 i measured around 18.7cm At best. Which was nice. But since then i stucked..
I added SS at Apr 14 (instead of extender) and i was keep going with the LM and SS up to Jul 2024 and then stopped SS and continue with LM and extender again up to end of Aug 2024, without even a minor change.
SInce i made most of gain with the extender and maybe hand bundled streches and also because i find it difficult to do LM anyway and no results within 4 months, i gave up on LM and switched back to do only extender. Doing hand bundled not so frequent..
I still didn't gain anything since Apr 2024.. which sucks.
My problems with LM were:
1. No time to do that.
2. Very exhusting. Especially with BTC positions.
3. Difficulties of pain, and combining it with pumping and SS was doing havoc on my penis. Glans.
Regarding SS - another story. Bottom line i didn't manage to deal with it + wasn't able to set the same active pressure as with extender.
All tha above with no gain burried all my motivation.
Oh and also i don't do the part of wrapping the penis when resting to avoid turtling back. Is that critical?
I guess i wonder what is the recommendation here to gain more length.
Thanks!!
Gain status update:
On Girth (which is the more important aspect for me) i started seeing results recently finally after a long time with no results.
But at the length side i stopped gaining since Apr 2024 (7 months now).
Summary of my length gains so far since the beggining:
after using noose extender for maybe 7-8 months + manual hand bundled streches started week or two (before the first gain) i suddenly saw around 1cm grow (17>18.0).
At that point i started LM at Feb 19 2024 in addition to reducing extender.
At Apr 13 i measured around 18.7cm At best. Which was nice. But since then i stucked..
I added SS at Apr 14 (instead of extender) and i was keep going with the LM and SS up to Jul 2024 and then stopped SS and continue with LM and extender again up to end of Aug 2024, without even a minor change.
SInce i made most of gain with the extender and maybe hand bundled streches and also because i find it difficult to do LM anyway and no results within 4 months, i gave up on LM and switched back to do only extender. Doing hand bundled not so frequent..
I still didn't gain anything since Apr 2024.. which sucks.
My problems with LM were:
1. No time to do that.
2. Very exhusting. Especially with BTC positions.
3. Difficulties of pain, and combining it with pumping and SS was doing havoc on my penis. Glans.
Regarding SS - another story. Bottom line i didn't manage to deal with it + wasn't able to set the same active pressure as with extender.
All tha above with no gain burried all my motivation.
Oh and also i don't do the part of wrapping the penis when resting to avoid turtling back. Is that critical?
I guess i wonder what is the recommendation here to gain more length.
Thanks!!
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You might be hitting the first plateau. That can be dealt with.
Common initial growth spurt. This is the initial trigger for fast growth and eventually the slow down and the plateau. What was the traction force you constantly use with the extender?
This is the plateau. Temporary plateau caused by the tug back phenomenon. It's not that you stop growing. It's actually pulling back on you. What you've done so far with LM is pushing the tissues to stress, and the SS to cement the gains. During the cementing to stabilize the gains, there are additional growth that the penis is not letting you see due to the tug back phenomenon.
This is always a common development for all our brothers. When we don't see any change for a long amount of time, we get discouraged. When we get discouraged, we stress out and we produce cortisols that become counter productive.
What most of us don't understand that length is harder to gain than girth, but we don't associate that girth also influences the changes in length. Our mind is so fixated on one thing so much that we forgot to do the other to get past it.
You hit first plateau on length, but you didn't hit on girth. Take advantage in that by switching over to 80% girth routine to break down the lateral tissues and allow the tunica to rest and prepare the new phase of growth for length later. Use the LM by doing rotary cranks/contortion twists to break the tissues down faster because of the leverage. The 20% is the extender at the lower setting of 800g to 900g to keep the tissues from diverting all growth to girth. It maintain the length while you work on your girth.
This is one of the methods to break through the plateaus. There are dozens.
Yes, it does. Wrapping for length helps the blood continuously cycle through the penis. Wrapping is not about over tightening the penis to death. It's about finding a good balance of rigidity for the wrapping but still loose enough to get the blood flowing. If you see purplish color change or the penis is cold or numb, it's too tight.
You are in good hands brother. Don't give up, and don't let the discipline drops. Don't be desperate either and go too hard that can break something.
Thanks a lot.
My extender springs are capable of 4-5kgrams AFAIK. But i only strech up to a point where only one bar is hidden (and during the session the penis slips a bit so the hidden bar do not stay hidden) beyond that i have no clue.
Regarding the 80%-20%. Can you please break it down for me? What does it mean it term of routine?
How much days a week and hours i should do LM & Extender, and how much Girth work.
Thanks a lot!!
Take out a digital kitchen scale, if you have it, and measure accurately. Your extender may be causing your plateau going into it too fast because of the high static traction force more than 1.2kg for too long of the wearing hours. Press down onto the scale and see how much traction force is at each point of the mark. You may have to mark new points on your extender.
Let's break it down.
You can warm up the tissue using basic stretches for a few minutes. If you can, strap on the LM and do rotary cranks from one side to the next as much of the rotation as you can, hold for 30 seconds. Make sure to go both directions with equal amount of force and equal amount of rotational angles. If you want to satisfy the length routines for the 20%, you can do light pull/push down, out, and all angles while you are doing the rotary cranks for the few warm up minutes.
Since you've been doing the 5x5x3 but I didn't see your modified routines, I will assume you have stuck with the 5x5x3 sets. However, we will modify it to a 3x10x3 sets instead.
3 minutes pump at the moderate pressure, 8 minutes of SSJ, and jelq downwards a bit to get blood to flow with gravity to prep for the next pump.
1 minutes of pumping to moderate pressure, 30 seconds of pumping to high, then alternate between moderate and high for the remaining time. Same SSJ and downward jelqs.
Repeat again.
Now. At the end, we will wrap for length and not for girth. Normally, for girth, we use a cock ring or a restrictive band at the base of the penis. For your needs, we will use a sleeve or a wrap to keep the penis elongated as long as you can. Once again, don't wrap too tightly and allow blood to flow. Remove everything before going to sleep since I have a feeling you will be doing the routines more at night than during the day. You can wear the extender in place of the wrap if you like, but it must be at the lower traction force at 600g and at max of 800g.
If you can do the girth routines for morning and able to wear the extender or SS all day at lower traction, even better. If not, keep it wrapped for conveniences.
Thanks.
So i noticed that when i press until one bar is hiding, it's 4000-4500 grams. To get to 1000grams i need only slight very gentle pressure which means maybe 0.5mm of the bar inside.
About LM what is rotary cranks? Do you mean like the newbie routine where you bundled to one direction at certain angle, push/pull, the bundle to other direction and repeat With different angles?
For how long? 20mins? Once a day?
About SRT 5X5X3 indeed i do the same. Do you think the change of the routine and the sleeve instead of a ring will bring better results for girth as well? Just to remind that Girth is still my main priority so i don't want to ruin that.
Sorry for all the questions.
Thank you!
So i noticed that when i press until one bar is hiding, it's 4000-4500 grams. To get to 1000grams i need only slight very gentle pressure which means maybe 0.5mm of the bar inside.
About LM what is rotary cranks? Do you mean like the newbie routine where you bundled to one direction at certain angle, push/pull, the bundle to other direction and repeat With different angles?
For how long? 20mins? Once a day?
About SRT 5X5X3 indeed i do the same. Do you think the change of the routine and the sleeve instead of a ring will bring better results for girth as well? Just to remind that Girth is still my main priority so i don't want to ruin that.
Sorry for all the questions.
Thank you!
Wow. That's crazy. Make mark on the pressure rods for 600g. No wonder you hit a plateau too early. Too much static tensions at too high of a traction load.
Yes. Rotary crank is to turn your LM handles one direction in a rotation completely until you can rotate any more. But pay attention how far you can rotate in one direction and how much force you put into the rotation at the end while you hold at that force. Do the same amount of rotation to the other side and at the same force.
Pull and stretch lightly all all angles. We are not forcing the penis to lengthen. We are forcing the penis to break down the tissues for effective girth expansion.
If you have time before the pump, 20 minutes is good. If you don't have time, 10 minutes is enough.
If girth is your main priority, we can do the new routine with 3x15x3 for now if there is time. If there is no time, 3x10x3 for now to observe your girth growth rate. Then when you see that malleability kicking in where your penis is wanting to expand, we hit it with 3x15x3 or 3x15x5.
Never be sorry. Being sorry is not asking. Something goes bad because you didn't ask, you will be very sorry.
Few updates:
1. Following the recommendation i got here not to use high tention extender as the main length workout. I reintroduced the LM. And This round for some reason i really feel happy with it. The streches feels really good. Maybe thats also thanks to @oldandlively advice to rotate until i can't rotate anymore and only then push/pull. At the past while i was doing mainly 360degrees i was streching skin instead of tissues. But now i do additional 90-180 degrees and it feels amazing.
So far i do 10min newbie routine+BTC twice a day. Hopefully i will increase session time.
One interesting point i noticed with newbie routine i feel good strech to the sides (either tending downwards or upwards) and also upwards. But not very good strech downward. Like i don't feel there the same feeling that my inner penis streched out. I wonder if it says something about my tissues status. (Ligmants and all other terms i hear but don't understand yet).
BTC feels fair strech.
I have also ordered phallosan forte as ADS and extender. hopefully it will work for me better as i really feel the regular non vaccum extender is not optimal.
In the girth world. I measured around 11.2cm prior to girth work (72 hours without). Which is small gain. However after the srt 5x5x3 session i don't see huge expantion as i wanted. Usually around 12.0cm.
I tried 3x8x3 as suggested but didn't noticed better expantion. So today i switched to 6x6x3. With still similar results.
I had couple events recently where i had above 12.0 and it also seemed really wider but if im honest it alse seemed part of it was that the skin was just swolen and fat which was nice but i guess it's not real girth.
P.s in the 2 recent girth work i noticed pain apears at much lower pressure. So in the recent i reached to 9inhg top with no pain at all. But in last two even at 7inhg or less i suddenly feel some weird pain that comes and go very very fast which is kind of alarming because there is no prior warning. Feels like something move inside my tissues or something for a sub second. So i try to be very cautions but it sucks.
Im not sure why it happens. My main theory it's because my penis already exhusted from LM work.
Another theory is becaused i started doing kegels inside the cylinder. But i think i have done it before.
Last point i just thought about that i wish i could wrap my penis in some hot wrap all day. And i wondered if that would expedite my growth. Since i became more aware of temperature importance. And i wonder if only during the excercises. Or that even during healing its important as to keep blood flow. Especially in the winter.
Thank you.
Sorry it was long
1. Following the recommendation i got here not to use high tention extender as the main length workout. I reintroduced the LM. And This round for some reason i really feel happy with it. The streches feels really good. Maybe thats also thanks to @oldandlively advice to rotate until i can't rotate anymore and only then push/pull. At the past while i was doing mainly 360degrees i was streching skin instead of tissues. But now i do additional 90-180 degrees and it feels amazing.
So far i do 10min newbie routine+BTC twice a day. Hopefully i will increase session time.
One interesting point i noticed with newbie routine i feel good strech to the sides (either tending downwards or upwards) and also upwards. But not very good strech downward. Like i don't feel there the same feeling that my inner penis streched out. I wonder if it says something about my tissues status. (Ligmants and all other terms i hear but don't understand yet).
BTC feels fair strech.
I have also ordered phallosan forte as ADS and extender. hopefully it will work for me better as i really feel the regular non vaccum extender is not optimal.
In the girth world. I measured around 11.2cm prior to girth work (72 hours without). Which is small gain. However after the srt 5x5x3 session i don't see huge expantion as i wanted. Usually around 12.0cm.
I tried 3x8x3 as suggested but didn't noticed better expantion. So today i switched to 6x6x3. With still similar results.
I had couple events recently where i had above 12.0 and it also seemed really wider but if im honest it alse seemed part of it was that the skin was just swolen and fat which was nice but i guess it's not real girth.
P.s in the 2 recent girth work i noticed pain apears at much lower pressure. So in the recent i reached to 9inhg top with no pain at all. But in last two even at 7inhg or less i suddenly feel some weird pain that comes and go very very fast which is kind of alarming because there is no prior warning. Feels like something move inside my tissues or something for a sub second. So i try to be very cautions but it sucks.
Im not sure why it happens. My main theory it's because my penis already exhusted from LM work.
Another theory is becaused i started doing kegels inside the cylinder. But i think i have done it before.
Last point i just thought about that i wish i could wrap my penis in some hot wrap all day. And i wondered if that would expedite my growth. Since i became more aware of temperature importance. And i wonder if only during the excercises. Or that even during healing its important as to keep blood flow. Especially in the winter.
Thank you.
Sorry it was long
Good to hear it's working well. Lateral tissues is a hidden gem you have to break and loosen up before things can be effectively work well for you. But do ease up after a day or two of over twisting the tissues. Just use half the strength in the twist rather than a full hard twist like usual. This is due to fatigues setting in.
Yes. The inner tissues, or the tissues connecting to the muscles at the base of the penis are a bit tight. No need to go too hard yet. Just slowly increase the tension little by little.
Try and try and try different products. No one beauty products will fit the female's needs. No one penis product will suit the male's penis needs.
It will start light. As the tissues are trained more and more along the way, it will expand much more. Just be patient on this one. You will be both ecstatic and freak out when it happens.
Try 4 minutes dynamic pressure pump, up to 15 minutes SSJ, and increase the set to 4. The most crucial portion is the internal pressure pressing against the tissue wall.
Pulsation of pain is due to tissue and fluid pressure against against a stressed nerve branch. Ease up, stop, and give a rest day in between. This is to provide sufficient healing period and adaption to the new growth.
It's a mixed of theory. Overstressed, tearing, and need rest due to the high expansion inside. This means you are hitting a breaking point in the tissues. Once rest, resume. Breaking through will bring rapid increase.
Yes. If you can wrap during a hot day but it's comfortable with a nice blood coloration, definitely. Keep that blood flowing.
Thank you as always!