Please advice - routine and progress

oldandlively said:
Yep. This is typical when we all started out and attempted to fine proper adjustments. Two things came into mind immediately:
  1. Make sure to squeeze all the blood out of the glans. When we try to strap on the LM close to the glans, there is that one moment we allow ourselves to get a kegels or two in by instinct. The trick is to squeeze as much blood out of the glans during wrapping, and provide a slightlu higher wrapping pressure during the steps. This is to prevent the instinctive kegels to get blood into the glans. There will still be some blood, but not enought to cause that pinching and overpressurization to cause bleeding.
  2. Too hard on the compression between the plates for the Hanger unit. Try to adjust the plates to only use enough closure traction force to hold onto their penis. Too much closure pressure will act like a vise rather acting like securing device. It also adds a lot of pressure on the glans as well, working against you during a strong pull.
  3. A bonus, but, you may have gone a bit too hard too fast. Most LM users exceed the 5lbs of pull force right out the door. This is like using the pump and go straight up to 8inHg before conditioning. We don't realize that our body can negate the pain to the point where we injured ourselves, seeing we injured ourselves, but out mind creates a blocking mechanism to prevent us from stopping because of our overzealous behaviors. Slowdown, work light, and know where you are at all time in terms of weight loading. You can try to feel it, but we can easily be fooled by our body abilities to cope.
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Thanks
I will try that.
I'm using LM for 3months now and never had blood. Thats why i was surprised. I didn't do any significant change or significantly changed the force
 
trustr1 said:
Thanks
I will try that.
I'm using LM for 3months now and never had blood. Thats why i was surprised. I didn't do any significant change or significantly changed the force
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Sounds like you increase the intensity without knowing, and possibly a little tighter on the plates than usual. Keep up with the observation
 
Bleeding seemed to sorted out. Altough i understand what SIM meant by combining LM and girth work.
Sometime the skin still sensitive from girth session make it difficult to do LM efficiently the next morning..

SS gives me a hard time. The twist part is broken now. Waiting for support. And i lose vacuum recently frequently for unclear reason so my dick pulled in and detached from vacuum and stay in the sleeve. Even though i put double sleeve on the top and on the bottom part. The actual sleeve not leaking air. Maybe its related to the issue with the broken twist part. will try to figure it out.
 

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Use a bit of baby powder, this will relieve some of this.
 
Ok.
I understand now that it's nearly impossible to do LM and pumping on same days.
The girth work give me bruises that i can't put LM and strech hard even the next day.
Is that sounds right? Or just me doing something wrong or need to adjust?

In case i have to choose, is it better to start with only length? Or can i start also with girth? (If i do would the Length work after won't take some of my girth?)

Thanks
 
trustr1 said:
Ok.
I understand now that it's nearly impossible to do LM and pumping on same days.
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Yes, you can do both on the same day. I do both back to back.

However, once you do girth, you may not be able to revisit length for 12 to 24 hours.

trustr1 said:
The girth work give me bruises that i can't put LM and strech hard even the next day.
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Looks like you're going too intensely on girth work. Are you placing your penis into a semi to a full erectile state? Are you going to high on pressure? Where are the bruises forming (base of the penis? Shaft? The glans?) that cause the uncomfortableness?

trustr1 said:
Is that sounds right? Or just me doing something wrong or need to adjust?
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Something does sound right. I probably have a suspicion. The LM plates may be pressing too hard on the glans, slipping and sliding during the routines, and the high pressure with little erectile presses on the base causing pain along the entire penile shaft.

trustr1 said:
In case i have to choose, is it better to start with only length? Or can i start also with girth? (If i do would the Length work after won't take some of my girth?)
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Focus on length to get the necessary dimension for girth work and for future revisit of length work. If you can get last 5in of good flaccid length to use the LM plates more effectively, your length will elongate faster because of the additional contortion routine you can bundle in.

Girth can be expanded any time and much easier than length.
 
oldandlively said:
Yes, you can do both on the same day. I do both back to back.

However, once you do girth, you may not be able to revisit length for 12 to 24 hours.


Looks like you're going too intensely on girth work. Are you placing your penis into a semi to a full erectile state? Are you going to high on pressure? Where are the bruises forming (base of the penis? Shaft? The glans?) that cause the uncomfortableness?
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To the BM i enter erect, i use 5min each session (srt 5x5x3). Not im around 5.5-6inHG.
Bruises on shaft, altough my glans also take work hard. Especially in combine with the SS.

If you talk about LM, I enter fully flaccid. Squizing the glans also while closing the chamber.
oldandlively said:
Something does sound right. I probably have a suspicion. The LM plates may be pressing too hard on the glans, slipping and sliding during the routines, and the high pressure with little erectile presses on the base causing pain along the entire penile shaft.


Focus on length to get the necessary dimension for girth work and for future revisit of length work. If you can get last 5in of good flaccid length to use the LM plates more effectively, your length will elongate faster because of the additional contortion routine you can bundle in.
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didn't quite understand what you mean here
oldandlively said:
Girth can be expanded any time and much easier than length.
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Got it. I think I see the picture. Quick question, what comes first: LM routine from a long SS wearing for BM pumping routine before the LM?
 
Ah..that's what I thought. Looks like your tissues need a bit less intense workout until they can keep up. For now, this is just my suggestion, switch pumping to every other day until your penile tissues can keep up. It happened to me as well when I restarted on my first month. Long wear day, moderate elongation routine in the morning to get the tissues pliable, and pump at night with 5x5x3 routine. Tissues underwent to much stresses in one entire day and started to bruise a bit. I cut back for 3 weeks by alternating one rest day from pump and one on day. Even if that on day happens to be a complete rest day, I still pump 2 sets just to prime my tissues to deal with the bruising. It worked for me. Not sure how well it will work for you.

If you want to take a safety measure, SS all day, but alternate between LM one day and pumping another.

If you feel confident that the bruising is light and fleeting as it goes away in a few hours, LM and SS routine every day, but only pump once every other day to maintain the girth and gain a bit at a time.

Now make sure to test your LM plates' pressure as well. Bruising can also be caused by abrasion that you may not see when you pull and tug on the LM. When there's too much pressure or to little pressure from the too plate, your foreskin can shift quite a bit, causing unexpected abrasion. I got mine this morning after restarting, coming out of a bad cold. I went a bit too rough with the wrapping and strap the plates improperly with slightly higher pressure than usual. Well, a little abrasion formed, didn't pay too much attention, and noticed the bruising after the pumping sessions. I slapped my head for not recognizing the improper LM plate pressure earlier.
 
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trustr1 said:
Ok.
I understand now that it's nearly impossible to do LM and pumping on same days.
The girth work give me bruises that i can't put LM and strech hard even the next day.
Is that sounds right? Or just me doing something wrong or need to adjust?

In case i have to choose, is it better to start with only length? Or can i start also with girth? (If i do would the Length work after won't take some of my girth?)

Thanks
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I recommend to only use LengthMaster 3 first, you will gain so much size and thickness from that. Also it set you up to gain fast with girthwork, since your tissue will be conditioned for intensity.
 
With mityvac I am not getting much expansion. Like 0.3' or 0.4' at max. Any ideas guys? There is no air leakage. Can someone experienced help me on this ?
 
kriskros said:
With mityvac I am not getting much expansion. Like 0.3' or 0.4' at max. Any ideas guys? There is no air leakage. Can someone experienced help me on this ?
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When pumping with air, you'll get great expansion visually, but not the exactly the expansion you want. I'll explain. Any brothers can correct me on this if you like.

When you expand with air, you'll get hot spot expansions, meaning you get vacuum of the epidermal layer (the top penis skin layer) to expand first before the lower internal tissues, the corpa cavernosa and spongiosum. For those who have been pumping for more than a few years with both water and air and also paid attention to both, they see a few things from using air only such as:
  • More fluid retention and faster fluid build up after 5 minutes of consecutive high pressure around 5inHg (dynamic of pressure going up and down in pressure is different).
  • The skin is more irritated because the air vacuum pulls it away from the internal tissues.
  • Top skin is lumpy and soft in some spots.
  • Accidentally go higher in pressure without knowing if the pressure gauge is not observed.
We tend to equate the expansion gain by comparing the visual bloated appearance of fluid retention. To compare the true gain, compare the feeling of hardness all around the penile shaft to the normal erected penis before pumping. The penis should be hard or ridgid, the skin around hte penis should be firm, and the expansion should be roughly 15% to 25% at best. Anything larger than 25% expansion, something is wrong, or you have been very blessed.

Using water, as you know, water cannot be compressed. It holds your external skin from bloating up like a balloon and holds fluid. The water pushes back against the skin from forming lumpy pockets. This allows the internal tissues to expand along with the external skin. What you see as expansion is 90% true expansion. This why water expansion appears less than air. But what you get from internal expansion is the true expansion you're chasing after.

BUT, if you want more expansion using water, there's indeed a trick. I've been looking for a way as well because I want that greater expansion. It takes a few more sets to activate it. You can try and see if it works for you. I'll use myself as an example:

Using Length Master routine for at least 10 minutes, bundled stretches as much as you can, by twisting and pulling behind the cheeks to prime the tissues for girth.

My pumping lower presusre baseline is 5inHg.
My middle pressure is 7inHg, feeling very comfortable without any pain.
My upper pressure is 10inHg, with a feeling of light dull internal expansion, without pain.
My upper dangerous pressure is 12inHg, with feeling very heavy dull internal expansion, with slight pain.

I normally to do a 3x3x10, but this is to modify it to 5x5x3 for the brother to see the truth behind the 5x5x3 routine in action. Use your own routine to match your needs.

Pumping Set 1:
  • Use slightly warmer to hot water, hot to the point where you burn your penis. Warm enough just below the uncomfortable feeling. This is to max out tissue expansion without causing injuries.
  • Pump up to 5inHg and stay there for 3 minutes, then reduce down to 4inHg for 2 minutes. See how low this is? Don't disregard 5inHg as too low. It's not. It's the starting point of expansion. The trick is, get as stimulated and erected as you can. You cannot be at 80% erected. It must be 100%.
  • SSJ for the next 3 to 5 minutes. Go longer if you can. But for SSJ, get as hard and erected as you can. Hold the blood while doing the SSJ up to 2 minutes before releasing. This is the trick to get that massive internal expansion.

Pumping Set 2:
  • Use warmer to hot water. Your penis should be adaptive to the slightly higher temperature now. Be careful not to burn your penis. This is to max out tissue expansion without causing injuries.
  • Pump up to 5inHg and stay there for 1 minutes, then reduce down to 4inHg for 1 minutes. Increase pressure to 10inHg for 2 minute, and drop back down at 5inHg for 1 minute. Stimulated and erected as you can. You cannot be less than erected. It must be 100%.
  • SSJ for the next 3 to 5 minutes. Go longer if you can. Get as hard and erected as you can. Hold the blood while doing the SSJ up to 2 minutes before releasing.
Pumping Set 3:
  • Use warmer to hot water. Your penis should be adaptive to the slightly higher temperature now. Be careful not to burn your penis.
  • Pump up to 5inHg and stay there for 1 minutes. Increase pressure to 10inHg for 2 minute, and drop back down at 5inHg for 1 minute, but, the last minute, increase back up to 10inHg, BUT slowly creep up to 11inHg for that last minute. Stimulated and erected as you can. You cannot be less than erected. It must be 100%.
  • SSJ for the next 3 to 5 minutes. Go longer if you can. Get as hard and erected as you can. Hold the blood while doing the SSJ up to 3 minutes before releasing.
What you are doing is inducing dynamic pressure expansion. Phalback attempted this based on the videos posted by users. Phalback uses air, but water is much better in providing the internal expansion without the blob-fish appearance at the end. For me, the expansion lasts more than 8 hours, with 20% reduction in size beyond 10 hours if I don't use a cock ring. With a cock ring all day, I notice the expansion continues on for as long as I have it on, and at times, bigger expansion overall.
 
oldandlively said:
When pumping with air, you'll get great expansion visually, but not the exactly the expansion you want. I'll explain. Any brothers can correct me on this if you like.

When you expand with air, you'll get hot spot expansions, meaning you get vacuum of the epidermal layer (the top penis skin layer) to expand first before the lower internal tissues, the corpa cavernosa and spongiosum. For those who have been pumping for more than a few years with both water and air and also paid attention to both, they see a few things from using air only such as:
  • More fluid retention and faster fluid build up after 5 minutes of consecutive high pressure around 5inHg (dynamic of pressure going up and down in pressure is different).
  • The skin is more irritated because the air vacuum pulls it away from the internal tissues.
  • Top skin is lumpy and soft in some spots.
  • Accidentally go higher in pressure without knowing if the pressure gauge is not observed.
We tend to equate the expansion gain by comparing the visual bloated appearance of fluid retention. To compare the true gain, compare the feeling of hardness all around the penile shaft to the normal erected penis before pumping. The penis should be hard or ridgid, the skin around hte penis should be firm, and the expansion should be roughly 15% to 25% at best. Anything larger than 25% expansion, something is wrong, or you have been very blessed.

Using water, as you know, water cannot be compressed. It holds your external skin from bloating up like a balloon and holds fluid. The water pushes back against the skin from forming lumpy pockets. This allows the internal tissues to expand along with the external skin. What you see as expansion is 90% true expansion. This why water expansion appears less than air. But what you get from internal expansion is the true expansion you're chasing after.

BUT, if you want more expansion using water, there's indeed a trick. I've been looking for a way as well because I want that greater expansion. It takes a few more sets to activate it. You can try and see if it works for you. I'll use myself as an example:

Using Length Master routine for at least 10 minutes, bundled stretches as much as you can, by twisting and pulling behind the cheeks to prime the tissues for girth.

My pumping lower presusre baseline is 5inHg.
My middle pressure is 7inHg, feeling very comfortable without any pain.
My upper pressure is 10inHg, with a feeling of light dull internal expansion, without pain.
My upper dangerous pressure is 12inHg, with feeling very heavy dull internal expansion, with slight pain.

I normally to do a 3x3x10, but this is to modify it to 5x5x3 for the brother to see the truth behind the 5x5x3 routine in action. Use your own routine to match your needs.

Pumping Set 1:
  • Use slightly warmer to hot water, hot to the point where you burn your penis. Warm enough just below the uncomfortable feeling. This is to max out tissue expansion without causing injuries.
  • Pump up to 5inHg and stay there for 3 minutes, then reduce down to 4inHg for 2 minutes. See how low this is? Don't disregard 5inHg as too low. It's not. It's the starting point of expansion. The trick is, get as stimulated and erected as you can. You cannot be at 80% erected. It must be 100%.
  • SSJ for the next 3 to 5 minutes. Go longer if you can. But for SSJ, get as hard and erected as you can. Hold the blood while doing the SSJ up to 2 minutes before releasing. This is the trick to get that massive internal expansion.

Pumping Set 2:
  • Use warmer to hot water. Your penis should be adaptive to the slightly higher temperature now. Be careful not to burn your penis. This is to max out tissue expansion without causing injuries.
  • Pump up to 5inHg and stay there for 1 minutes, then reduce down to 4inHg for 1 minutes. Increase pressure to 10inHg for 2 minute, and drop back down at 5inHg for 1 minute. Stimulated and erected as you can. You cannot be less than erected. It must be 100%.
  • SSJ for the next 3 to 5 minutes. Go longer if you can. Get as hard and erected as you can. Hold the blood while doing the SSJ up to 2 minutes before releasing.
Pumping Set 3:
  • Use warmer to hot water. Your penis should be adaptive to the slightly higher temperature now. Be careful not to burn your penis.
  • Pump up to 5inHg and stay there for 1 minutes. Increase pressure to 10inHg for 2 minute, and drop back down at 5inHg for 1 minute, but, the last minute, increase back up to 10inHg, BUT slowly creep up to 11inHg for that last minute. Stimulated and erected as you can. You cannot be less than erected. It must be 100%.
  • SSJ for the next 3 to 5 minutes. Go longer if you can. Get as hard and erected as you can. Hold the blood while doing the SSJ up to 3 minutes before releasing.
What you are doing is inducing dynamic pressure expansion. Phalback attempted this based on the videos posted by users. Phalback uses air, but water is much better in providing the internal expansion without the blob-fish appearance at the end. For me, the expansion lasts more than 8 hours, with 20% reduction in size beyond 10 hours if I don't use a cock ring. With a cock ring all day, I notice the expansion continues on for as long as I have it on, and at times, bigger expansion overall.
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Perfect!
I have also a video where I show everyone a type of dynamic pressure set, where I go back and forth between high and low vaccum pressure. High for me are 12 in.Hg to 15 in.Hg and low are 10 in.Hg. *Edit: 15.in.Hg is in fact to high, I don't think you need it. Be careful.

Using a to tight cylinder and a wide cylinder during the sessions have also been beneficial for me. If I don't use the tight 2" wide cylinder on my first set I don't see as much temporary expansion after my sessions.

We have talked about this many times before but many seams to have missed this information.
I hope everyone are getting this information.
You need a big water trap for this method.
 
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If I go lower on HG than 9hg, I literally feel nothing. I don't think I can SSJ for 3 minutes. Not yet. Also it's impossible for me to have 100% erection do I need another plan for dry pumping. Also changing cylinders can't understand how that benefits this.
 
kriskros said:
If I go lower on HG than 9hg, I literally feel nothing. I don't think I can SSJ for 3 minutes. Not yet. Also it's impossible for me to have 100% erection do I need another plan for dry pumping. Also changing cylinders can't understand how that benefits this.
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Feeling nothing doesn't mean it's not working. When your penis is 100% erected under 5inHg of vacuum pressure, this automatically expand the internal area. Pushing up to 9inHg and 10inHg at full erection, if you don't feel anything at 100% erection, this is where you must start to worry. Nerve desensitization is a source of not feeling the expansion. You try to go even higher because your nerve doesn't send you sufficient signal, this is where injuries will occur. It's like those who hardly feel any pain because of high pain tolerance as they push themselves harder, they suffer horrendously at the end. You just need to be very careful.

If you belive 9inHg is considered as too low for you to feel anything, then set it at 10inHg, and creep slowly into 11inHg. However, do not enter into the 11inHg like it's nothing. You are entering into dangerous territory once you go past 10inHg. Make sure to always, always, always get your erection to 100% during pumping. You can enter your pump flaccid, but once you start your pumping session, get that erection up. A good internal expansion is dependent on your erection state.

For those who have ED, pumping helps with blood circulation, breaking through the blockages and plagues that may form in the dorsal and circumflex blood vessels. But always try to force your penis to get an erection during pumping, even with ED. This is where you're reprogramming your brain to work with your penis to resolve the ED. Brain must work with penis on top of the tool you're using for your penis.
 
Damn you have so strong mind and willpower.
I enter pump 80% erected and at 10hg is like 100%. Is this you are talking about or do I have to find a way to get a "new" erection inside pump?

Another question: if I enter flaccid and st 10hg it is 100% erect it is okay?

Also how can someone ssj 3 mins in a row...
 
oldandlively said:
Feeling nothing doesn't mean it's not working. When your penis is 100% erected under 5inHg of vacuum pressure, this automatically expand the internal area. Pushing up to 9inHg and 10inHg at full erection, if you don't feel anything at 100% erection, this is where you must start to worry. Nerve desensitization is a source of not feeling the expansion. You try to go even higher because your nerve doesn't send you sufficient signal, this is where injuries will occur. It's like those who hardly feel any pain because of high pain tolerance as they push themselves harder, they suffer horrendously at the end. You just need to be very careful.

If you belive 9inHg is considered as too low for you to feel anything, then set it at 10inHg, and creep slowly into 11inHg. However, do not enter into the 11inHg like it's nothing. You are entering into dangerous territory once you go past 10inHg. Make sure to always, always, always get your erection to 100% during pumping. You can enter your pump flaccid, but once you start your pumping session, get that erection up. A good internal expansion is dependent on your erection state.

For those who have ED, pumping helps with blood circulation, breaking through the blockages and plagues that may form in the dorsal and circumflex blood vessels. But always try to force your penis to get an erection during pumping, even with ED. This is where you're reprogramming your brain to work with your penis to resolve the ED. Brain must work with penis on top of the tool you're using for your penis.
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Someone need to ease up on the vaccum pressure.
That someone are @squirt_inducer_man

Thanks for an awesome explanation.
But nerve desensitization will heal up I suppose when you let your tissue and nerves fully recover.
 
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