Women In Combat: My Personal Rant

MAXAMEYES

1
Registered
Joined
Jul 25, 2005
Messages
3,237
Here's my take on what all those screamin' broads who protest against �naked people movies� should scream about instead.

This is much less an indictment of Women's performance under fire (whole seperate subject, don't get me started! )
than it is an "editorial" on a grotesquely toxic environment and its possible impact on future generations.

Being a Gulf War Vet I've experienced Uncle Sam's medical care, both active and veteran, at its very finest-not too impressed.
I've also seen about a half-dozen of my buddies and colleagues die or damn near die from liver cancer over the past few years.

What's all this got to do with women in combat? I'll sum it all up in 3 words, one of which is the most critical:
1. Carcinogenic- capable of producing cancer
2. Mutagenic- producing permanent DNA changes
3. Teratogenic- producing defects in an embryo or fetus

And it is #3 that's the reason for this post:

Just about everyone's familiar, to one extent or another, with 1 & 2.
Cancer is the modern day plague, and there's growing evidence of more and more of our modern day products and lifestyles themselves being carcinogenic found every day.
Genetic mutations sound like the things sci-fi movies and comic books are built upon, but they're very real and, unfortunately, hereditary. Once a mutation is induced it is very difficult, if not impossible to counterract or eliminate.

The respective lists of causes for each of the above are extensive and growing. The study of Teratology, however, can still be considered to be in its infancy.

As the role of women in the military and their presence on the combat field grows so does the risk of exposure to environments which are not only recognizably hazardous, lethal-in the extreme, in and of themselves; but contain vast amounts of chemical, biological and radiological poisons. The overwhelming majority of which have had little to no definitive examination as to their individual toxicity, let alone a cumulative or additive effect. Many, if not most, remain unidentified.

Meaning: even if any of these recognized hazards have been identified and studied as to their individual potential for harm, the interactions of the various hazards have not. And as simple math will tell you, as the number of identied individual risk factors rises, the permutations of combining them soon reaches the point of incalculability. Add to that our fundamental scarcity of knowledge concerning biological processes in general and our ability to predict just what may or may not constitute a definite hazard soon becomes obviously pathetic.

From the innoculations meant to prevent infection which contain heavy metal toxins and destructive substances known as adjuvants (meant to render a body less susceptible to treat the innoculant as a foreign substance and more readily accept same) to bug repellant, to such seemingly innocuous substances as anti-perspirant, to exposure to Depleted Uranium aerosols; the potential for death remains long after the direct threats of gunfire and explosion have been removed.

These substances, injected, inhaled or absorbed, are the potentiall lethal threats we Veterans constantly bring home with us from the battlefield.
And to my knowledge there have never been done any studies whatsoever as to the potential teratogenic harm being done to an entire generation of Veteran's children.

There are many types of birth defects which are not readily visible nor apparent at birth; many only surface as behavioral or emotional problems well into childhood, adolescence or even adulthood.

Many might never be recognized as birth defects because they may only manifest as developmental or sociological disorders: a propensity for or predisposition to, Alcoholism, drug addiction, violence or any of countless self-destructive behaviors.
Many affect the sufferers ability to reproduce.

Worse: we have not a shred of data concerning the possibility that any harm done to a developing fetus in response to the exposure to these toxins is not mutagenic.

The pre-natal environment is found to be increasingly delicate and more easily corrupted than previously conceived.
Ours is the first generation to send potential mothers, including many who are already pregnant unaware, into such a recognizably and acknowledged toxic environment.

With our continued, and many will argue-shameful, presence in Iraq pretty much a foregone conclusion, should we be treating the possibility of our voluntarily creating an entire generation of potentially sick, deformed, defective, perhaps terminally ill children in such a cavalier manner?

Personally, I don't think so.
And this is where I truly, sincerely believe most of those protester's energies would be better spent.

Thanks for listenin'.
 
Interesting post. I was aware of certain everyday products that cause health defects and cancer but I didn't know our goverment is indangering people in the military like that.
 
I think that this is the best thread we've ever had on this forum. You guys have such a burden to carry and it shames everyone of us for acting helpless about your medical problems or otherwise ignorant/disinterested. People barely want to recognize the homeless veteran problem and the health care of veterans and the ability of the VA to handle the cost/time for the care of the physically disabled and psychologically damaged. I hear sometimes that some vets just don't know how to take full advantage of what is available and others actually just say no thanks and that is true for some, but when it comes to health care in particular you are entitled to it as long as you served/were wounded. Of course you are entitled to it as long as you are not denied in the process of securing those benefits. Veteran benefits are cut all the time too. Talk about sacrifice.

I have a family member with permanent nerve damage that can't re-enlist anymore, can't do the work he always wanted to should he ever decide enough was enough because of it, and now is getting screwed. They don't know what the exact cause of the nerve damage. I guess I see their point... I mean he was in a building that was bombed, but didn't know exactly what was up until weeks later and kept up his part of the deal and continued serving in Iraq. He comes back home and needs surgery...I suppose they will make him pay for all the rounds he didn't use to.

For all the war pumping that goes on prior to any war we sure as hell don't take care of those who are in need very well. They're the first ones told to fuck off when they come home. Here's your parade now go adjust to civilian life again. Oh well, onto the showdown with Iran er China. AH don't follow that last line. I don't want to hijack this thread.

MAXAMEYES, What you bring up is certainly enough reason to keep women away from the battlefield. I am not sure if I still have in my signature the pictures of the vets who's families were most likely affected by DU. There are many more cases of cancer and birth defects in Iraq as I understand it, which makes sense as they live there. With this generation of soldiers who knows what the future holds for their children.

There aren't many vets I know that don't drink or at least didn't drink heavily for years after they were no longer able to serve. Drugs, alcohol, and not knowing how to deal with images stuck in mind are fairly common. I'm not sure if I'm correct on this, but as many Vietnam vets that died in Vietnam have committed suicide since the war ended. I don't even want to know the number of vets that will have done the same after this series of wars are over.

Very compelling.
 
Thanks for the compliment, thanks for the sentiment and thanks for the support. I know I tend to get a little preachy...but what the Hell; it's my nature. And if I can help just one guy out, it's damn well worth it. Maybe some young kid on here'll read this and grow up to be a Senator or something and get something done...it could happen!

Here's a thought everybody oughtta roll around in their minds and consider at least once:

"It is the soldier, not the reporter, Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, Who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protestor to burn the flag.

- Father Dennis Edward O'Brian, USMC

Semper Fi
 
women cant shoot or drive, but the ones that can....

BAD BITCHES :cool:
 
MAXAMEYES;291607 said:
Here's my take on what all those screamin' broads who protest against �naked people movies� should scream about instead.

This is much less an indictment of Women's performance under fire (whole seperate subject, don't get me started! )
than it is an "editorial" on a grotesquely toxic environment and its possible impact on future generations.

Being a Gulf War Vet I've experienced Uncle Sam's medical care, both active and veteran, at its very finest-not too impressed.
I've also seen about a half-dozen of my buddies and colleagues die or damn near die from liver cancer over the past few years.

What's all this got to do with women in combat? I'll sum it all up in 3 words, one of which is the most critical:
1. Carcinogenic- capable of producing cancer
2. Mutagenic- producing permanent DNA changes
3. Teratogenic- producing defects in an embryo or fetus

And it is #3 that's the reason for this post:

Just about everyone's familiar, to one extent or another, with 1 & 2.
Cancer is the modern day plague, and there's growing evidence of more and more of our modern day products and lifestyles themselves being carcinogenic found every day.
Genetic mutations sound like the things sci-fi movies and comic books are built upon, but they're very real and, unfortunately, hereditary. Once a mutation is induced it is very difficult, if not impossible to counterract or eliminate.

The respective lists of causes for each of the above are extensive and growing. The study of Teratology, however, can still be considered to be in its infancy.

As the role of women in the military and their presence on the combat field grows so does the risk of exposure to environments which are not only recognizably hazardous, lethal-in the extreme, in and of themselves; but contain vast amounts of chemical, biological and radiological poisons. The overwhelming majority of which have had little to no definitive examination as to their individual toxicity, let alone a cumulative or additive effect. Many, if not most, remain unidentified.

Meaning: even if any of these recognized hazards have been identified and studied as to their individual potential for harm, the interactions of the various hazards have not. And as simple math will tell you, as the number of identied individual risk factors rises, the permutations of combining them soon reaches the point of incalculability. Add to that our fundamental scarcity of knowledge concerning biological processes in general and our ability to predict just what may or may not constitute a definite hazard soon becomes obviously pathetic.

From the innoculations meant to prevent infection which contain heavy metal toxins and destructive substances known as adjuvants (meant to render a body less susceptible to treat the innoculant as a foreign substance and more readily accept same) to bug repellant, to such seemingly innocuous substances as anti-perspirant, to exposure to Depleted Uranium aerosols; the potential for death remains long after the direct threats of gunfire and explosion have been removed.

These substances, injected, inhaled or absorbed, are the potentiall lethal threats we Veterans constantly bring home with us from the battlefield.
And to my knowledge there have never been done any studies whatsoever as to the potential teratogenic harm being done to an entire generation of Veteran's children.

There are many types of birth defects which are not readily visible nor apparent at birth; many only surface as behavioral or emotional problems well into childhood, adolescence or even adulthood.

Many might never be recognized as birth defects because they may only manifest as developmental or sociological disorders: a propensity for or predisposition to, Alcoholism, drug addiction, violence or any of countless self-destructive behaviors.
Many affect the sufferers ability to reproduce.

Worse: we have not a shred of data concerning the possibility that any harm done to a developing fetus in response to the exposure to these toxins is not mutagenic.

The pre-natal environment is found to be increasingly delicate and more easily corrupted than previously conceived.
Ours is the first generation to send potential mothers, including many who are already pregnant unaware, into such a recognizably and acknowledged toxic environment.

With our continued, and many will argue-shameful, presence in Iraq pretty much a foregone conclusion, should we be treating the possibility of our voluntarily creating an entire generation of potentially sick, deformed, defective, perhaps terminally ill children in such a cavalier manner?

Personally, I don't think so.
And this is where I truly, sincerely believe most of those protester's energies would be better spent.

Thanks for listenin'.
Thanks for sharing brother. This is good book material...
 
My dad was diagnosed with Gulf War syndrome, pretty much the text book definition of it, he has just about every symptom. It doesn't slow him down at all even after 24 years in the Army.

I'm just starting my Army career and as far as the topic goes, 99.99% of women simply cannot keep up physically with even the lower end of males.

They argue with me constantly on it, but I tell them "Hey, I weigh 170lbs (Which is fairly light compared to a lot of guys) pick me up and carry me 200 meters to safety" I've only met a handful that can even get me off the ground for more than a few feet. Where as even the smaller guys can throw me over their shoulder and get me the distance. Now I say throw another 60lbs of gear on me as well as yourself. It just isn't going to happen ever.

So to have the Army try and conform to something to please the .01% of women that may be able to meet the standard is ridiculous and a huge waste of time.

As far as birth defects go. I know several guys with multiple tours in Iraq, several of whom have been assigned to weapons systems firing DU rounds all day, they all have perfectly healthy children. In fact the only military guy I know who has a child with any problems is in the Air Force and has been behind a desk the entire time he has been in.

I think when it comes to that stuff its really hit or miss on what could cause a lot of these things and its certainly weighs differently for each individual.
 
I think when it comes to that stuff its really hit or miss on what could cause a lot of these things and its certainly weighs differently for each individual.[/QUOTE]

And unfortunately, there've been no studies, and consequently no way to predict, who will be affected the most, in what ways, by what exposures and whether or not any adverse medical problems will be passed on to successive generations....and on....and on....and on....
 
Now that we've got women on board (well, at least ONE onboard, that I know of) I'm gonna give this thread a li'l bump in the hopes of geting a gal's perspective. And, if you might happen to be a gal who's been in the military, particularly ground forces, I'd REALLY love to hear your opinions.
 
I was a Staff Sergeant, and Drill Sergeant, from the Vietnam era. When you raise your right hand, you should be well aware that your are ultimately cannon fodder. That is why cook, clerk, or rifleman all have the same basic training. If your base camp is being over run, your weapon isn't a keyboard. Every soldier should realize this or be made to. Mutation of sperm causes birth defects; just ask agent orange victims. While you may be lured to enlist to see the world and learn a career, Know that you may tour a combat zone and learn to kill. That's the job, man or woman.
 
hsarge;353288 said:
I was a Staff Sergeant, and Drill Sergeant, from the Vietnam era. When you raise your right hand, you should be well aware that your are ultimately cannon fodder. That is why cook, clerk, or rifleman all have the same basic training. If your base camp is being over run, your weapon isn't a keyboard. Every soldier should realize this or be made to. Mutation of sperm causes birth defects; just ask agent orange victims. While you may be lured to enlist to see the world and learn a career, Know that you may tour a combat zone and learn to kill. That's the job, man or woman.

And when your own government lies to you; all bets are off.
 
I personally think there are many women capable of serving in combat. Most of them are the more butch, ''bull dogga'' lesbians. Hey, it's not me being a bigot...it's just a damn fact. Once my wife and I were moving...and I'm in damn good shape myself...I can deadlift over 400lbs and squat the same. We were selling a sleeper sofa couch. Those things are HEAVY...metal framed, folding bed inside. We listed it on cragslist. Within a week 2 obviously lesbian women were on our door step to pick it up. They hefted it up and down the stairs of our old apartment better than my wife and I could have. LOL. I also believe though that a woman should not be able to serve in an infantry position...or if worse came to worse...unless she can prove herself capable physically of doing so. In other words, there should be some basic strength evaluation tests to determine that she IS IN FACT at LEAST as strong as her weakest male equivalent. I don't think that's unfair. There are women who are stronger than many men. Not just any woman with the desire though should be able to be in the infantry. Similar to how most fire departments require women to be on par with their male fire fighters to qualify. You can't have some nancy pants rushing into a burning building to save someone...only to find they themselves need help to get out. :O
 
Back
Top Bottom