The Hitler Connection

Remember how after WW11 and even up until now everyone questioned how people could allow Hitler to rise to power or Stalin for that matter?

Well you are watching the process unfold before your very eyes.

Remember how people would say and still do, that they would never have allwed something so horrible to happen, like the camps, like the mass murder, etc.?

Well, this is how people allow it.

Watch America as the new Germany..it may have helped that the Bushies and the Nazi party were so joy-joy in bed with one another. It may have also helped that the Nazi money went where? Yep.

So here you are, the unmasking of the new German regime, in hiding for the last 50 years, but now ready to step front and center. I mean, its not like anyone is going to stop them... the FBI/CIA are purchased already and the DNC has no idea what to do.

This is how dictatorships rise... from ground zero and into a false Christianity as their mask.

A majority of Americans (but declining lately) support this illegal occupation of a soverign country. 70% of the German population was openly anti-semetic and Auschwitz was a democratically planned event. 100,000 innocent Iraqis have been murdered and a majority of Americans support it. Guantanamo is a concentration camp with torture and abuses and a majority of Americans support it. Israel is building a wall and colonizing Palestinian lands and a majority of Americans support it.

That is completely insane.

Originally posted by LambdaCalc:

That is completely insane.

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Actually, its a reality, we are supposed to be the country of freedom but we are seeing growing censorship in the media and internet, losing a job because someone exersizes their free speech right at a Bush rally, others being arrested for wearing anti-Bush shirts, the Bush Administration constantly pushing the "orange alert" button and keeping this country in a constant state of fear in order to convince the population to let Bush "protect us." Peaceful protestors called "supporters of terrorism" thanks to the Patriot Act, homosexuality and sex in general being blamed for the moral decline of America while 100s of murders and rapes are shown on tv everyday and the US military is used based on lies and without the support of most of the world and for the gain of a select few while killing 100s of thousands of civilian men, women, and children.
O well, had to get that off my chest

Democracy has an inherit tendency to decline into despotism.

Here is some insight on that nice round 100,000 number:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/

Originally posted by LambdaCalc:

Here is some insight on that nice round 100,000 number:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/

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It really dosen't matter EXACTLY how many Iraqi cilvilians were murdered, I know that a whole shit load of them were. I read somewhere it averages out to 20 a day. How many children died because of the economic sanctions? The numbers are tremendously high, and 40-50,000 victims from American bombings alone.

I didn't look at the link, but the numbers Kal-el introduced was from the study that appeared in Lancet. The numbers have been disputed, but I ask you Lamb How many is it going to TAKE for you to understand what all is happening there? From the planning, to the massive PR the Bush administration worked on us into hyping very weak allegations ontop of all the hypocrisy, to the occupation and massive nonbid contracts for Halliburton what is it going to take for you to see the present day for what it is and where it looks to be heading? The reports I've seen of confirmed witnessed bodies are around 30,000. This number isn't getting smaller and the U.S. military's presence is a main reason. They're just doing what they've got to do so they can get back home and are serving their country in the terms that our leaders and their superiors have told them. And if you don't think the Bush clan has ties to the Nazi party think or better yet research it. Find all you can on it before you just pass it off as garbage. That's the stupidest thing one can do is decide something is true or false before knowing what they are talking about. How can you decide things in that fashion? Next are you going to tell me George H.W. Bush doesn't have ties to the nutcase fascist loving Rev. Sun Myung Moon. WACL anyone?Iran-Contra? CIA? Of course this is all hogwash conspiracy to many. I mean come on it's ridiculous to think George H.W. Bush was connected to illegal arms deals. No way. Just like his father's name wouldn't be mentioned with what Kal-el was referring to. No way. I mean come on.

If you will show me a decent source for W's connections with Nazi's then I'll check it out. The fact is that most of the conspiracy crap surrounding any political figure is completely baseless. Albeit, they do a wonderful job of making it look legit, but that's where their talent lies...making believeable fiction.

Originally posted by LambdaCalc:

That is completely insane.

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These rhetorical trainwrecks over the Nazi analogy always seem to end with a W rant about "how ridiculuos" etc. Never a reasoned argument as to just exactly why we should'nt worry about the path the Bush Administration is on. I assume that's because they don't have a reasoned argument to make.

Originally quoted by LambdaCalc:

If you will show me a decent source for W's connections with Nazi's then I'll check it out. The fact is that most of the conspiracy crap surrounding any political figure is completely baseless. Albeit, they do a wonderful job of making it look legit, but that's where their talent lies...making believeable fiction.

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Lam, the President's grandfather who is Prescott Bush, is connected to the Nazi party, I believe he was one of Hitler's hencHydromaxen. If you like, you can check it out. Do a search on Bush-Nazi connection.

That's what I was implying more than anything. I understand all of the liberties that can be or have been taken away by the Patriot Act in the name of national security. I was making a note that it's interesting how secret societies in this country came to be in particularly Skull and Bones. The connections they made and exactly what the intent was of such a society which eventually even from the start had men in its ranks that are some of the most influential of their times. My grandfather was tapped at Columbia University, but I forget what the name of the society was. Something to do with keys or something. Anyway there is something strange how these groups formed like I said. You can look to the European countries and particularly England and wonder how much of the legends are true. I mean look at the Kennedy clan and the Bushes/Walker connections. The families made their money mostly from pretty illegal and shady business. However, the connections Prescott Bush had dealing with the Nazi party whether strictly business, shared personal beliefs, or otherwise are undeniable. You can't really tell what the intent is of some businesses today let alone activities of businesses/businessmen from 60-70 years ago. In any case we've had our fair share of leaders trading and doing business with the "enemy" and somehow get away with it.

But liberties aside you can't ignore things like Joint Vision for 20/20 or http://www.dtic.mil/futurejointwarfare/#

this: http://www.afa.org/magazine/Dec1996/1296af2025_print.html
and particularly this: http://www.afa.org/magazine/Dec1996/1296af2025_print.html

I'll look for the connections to Hitler's Nazi party tomorrow, but what I will do is post some things showing what I'm talking about with the hypocritical facist loving Rev. Moon and his ties to the Republican party and Bush family. I mean that is factual and disturbing.

I can't vouch for this publication as I've never heard of it before and just found it as a top result when googling. However, the Bush-Nazi connection is a matter of Justice Department and Congressional record as I recall, not really a secret. In fact many Americans profited from the rise of the Nazi regime, though I'm not suggesting this excuses Prescott Bush's particular dealings. Many have suggested that Dubya's father (or Bush 1 as he's often reduced to) entered the armed forces in WWII in an attempt to save some dignity for his family after their financial ties to the Nazis were exposed. Either way, there are probably over a thousand articles on this story, all reporting the same basic and documented facts, this is just one of them.

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html

I'm just saying that it isn't too much to see things for what they are. Think about anything associated with the BCCI then think about all those that were involved with that network, yet there are so many people that forget or just never figure or find things out. Look at Jackson T Stephens, Jimmy Carter and Burt Lance. These high ranking political figures look for personal gain all too often for much of these allegations to be false. Look at Presidential campaign contributions and typically you can tell with little knowledge of the candidate's past political or personal relationships to see which side his bread is buttered. But again any allegations and it's past off as liberalness or conspiracy theory when the real conspirators get off scott free.

So, did I miss the announcement where Bush said, "The source of all of our problems - Iraqi's! I am instituting a mass-murder program for them!"

Also, wher is your documentation for your Bush-money and Bush party/hitler love-fest?

he didn't have to say it because it's going on right now. And I just read the article that Swank posted. That should be enough for tonight er morning.

So is this Bush/Nazi conspiracy going to end when he is removed from office in the next few years??? or will there be another conspiracy?? It's interesting that only Republicans are conspirators... never a democrat.

Let's see... Where the hell did I put my tinfoil. Got to prevent the brainwashing.

I so wish I was truly enlightened.

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Kal-el,

The forces that lead to the rise of the National Socialists in Germany and the rise of the Neo-Con Republicans in the U.S. are relatively disparate, so the two events really cannot be juxtaposed. Comparing GWB to Hitler is fun, but not really practical. GWB and his cabinet are nationalistic (Hell, I'm nationalistic! If you aren't, you should move to Canada.) and jingoistic, but not Fascist. In three years and seven months GWB will slide out of the Oval Office and sink into relative obscurity: he is not elder statesman material. Eventually, Iraq will stabilize, the U.S. will be lauded for helping form a stable democracy in the Middle East, the excesses of the U.S.A. Patriot Acts will be winnowed away (as happened to law enforcement excesses in the 1970s), the Neo-Cons will lose favor with the majority of voters, and the political pendulum will swing the other direction for awhile. Then, we'll have fun trashing a Democratic president and Congress. Every dog gets his day.

Originally posted by Priapologist:

Then, we'll have fun trashing a Democratic president and Congress.

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Just a note, when Clinton left office his job approval rating was at 60%, Bush only sees that in his rearview mirror, and if Clinton was a republican, they would have named an airport after him.

Priapologist said:

Kal-el,

The forces that lead to the rise of the National Socialists in Germany and the rise of the Neo-Con Republicans in the U.S. are relatively disparate, so the two events really cannot be juxtaposed. Comparing GWB to Hitler is fun, but not really practical. GWB and his cabinet are nationalistic (Hell, I'm nationalistic! If you aren't, you should move to Canada.) and jingoistic, but not Fascist. In three years and seven months GWB will slide out of the Oval Office and sink into relative obscurity: he is not elder statesman material. Eventually, Iraq will stabilize, the U.S. will be lauded for helping form a stable democracy in the Middle East, the excesses of the U.S.A. Patriot Acts will be winnowed away (as happened to law enforcement excesses in the 1970s), the Neo-Cons will lose favor with the majority of voters, and the political pendulum will swing the other direction for awhile. Then, we'll have fun trashing a Democratic president and Congress. Every dog gets his day.

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Eventually Iraq will stabilize after what? How? There's so much embezzling and "missing" funds for the reconstruction of Iraq and violence for it's eventual stablization to be a foregone conclusion. No one can predict what's going to happen to that country in the next year much less think everything will work itself out.

Bush is not Hitler so I'm hoping no one gets that impression. However, I'm sure some people in Iraq might feel differently or at least might not see much of a difference between Saddam and George W. now. The connection is in the similarities of how things have changed in society in America more than anything. We don't even really think much of the Patriot Act as if it were just going to go away if we don't think about it. ACLU and ACU challenged the renewal of the Patriot Act however. We're pretty much split down the middle over the Iraq war and there is little bi-partisanship currently. There was an ultra nationalistic mentality after 9/11 and it was understandable, but it isn't looking like the naysers on the invasion prior to the invasion were wrong for thinking that the justifications for it were severely weak or simply being manipulated. Also the way Bush used 9/11 and exploited it for a politcally motivated military exploit was fucked. And engaging in a preemptive war to begin with then to find out it wasn't necessary for the reasons they gave draws comparisons to Hitler.

The Corportate President we have right now with the way the past two elections have been stolen... My god. Has anyone read What Went Wrong In Ohio? I knew there was something going on that night. J. Kenneth Blackwell is a mutherfucking bastard plain and simple. He really did all he could to discourage voters er correction minority voters in historically Democratic areas. We really need to have our heads examined for using electronic voting machines without a paper trail in our Presidential elections. Seriously, who the fuck's idea was it to do this??? I'd like to have a word with them. My finger has been dying to say something to those responsible for that idiocy. I do see facism abound in this country.