MikeShlort;553628 said:
go to bar, walk up to girl, introduce yourself, start conversation, physical contact, ask for number - impossible.
Women are usually not alone @ bars, which makes things more difficult. Basically having to please two or more girls and coming off in a certain way that those(multiple) women like you and not putting too much attention on one girl while making the others defensive towards you.
It really depends on the bar you go to I guess. This can give you more things to chit chat about, basically putting her/them up for a situational opener(s)(an opening based upon a situation).
You have to mimic the vibe of a group of women or woman, you can't just willy-nilly walk up randomly/awkwardly, start chit-chatting and go for a close that's going to benefit you in any way (unless you're very charming, good looking, and/or have a good sexual vibe that the women/woman fed off of (but all this would need to happen quick)).
What time did you enter the bar and what time did you exit? Sometimes you can just sit @ the bar (w/ a drink) @ a certain time and women will come back and forth buying drinks (or men will for them).
This breaks them apart from their pact(since there might be one sole person purchasing drinks) and can give you a chance to open a girl outside her circle(if shes w/ people).
Just don't be that "creep" @ the bar.
If you carry a good conversion (@ the above point) and she seems to be interested in you (but also needs to go to another part of the bar, you can say (with your phone in your hand), that
"I don't know anyone here(@ the bar) and never been here before, I'm waiting for friends, "can I join you"? I just pulled this out of my ass, but it can't if shes interested.
Sitting @ the bar might help calm you down, lets you marinate to the atmosphere or might give you some ideas. Just don't be a creep nor start eye fucking groups/women.
Night game is easier for a lot of people while others might do better @ day game, just really depends. Night game for women being in the zone of socializing and day game has a lot to do about situation and where shes @.
Do you not have subject matter (shit to talk about (or worse: can you stoop yourself down a level(s) and carry a conversation if the other person is dumb as fuck))?
Then again, the women/woman might not seem interesting. Are you interesting?
A lot of dudes will straight up lie to women in pickup just to fuck them and never call them back. You can get away with a lot of shit unless they shit test you on it (IE: pictures of your fake ass trip to the bahamas or that they've been, but you can't seem to remember where you visited). This is all part of making you seem 'IT'.
I'm not advocating lying, I'm just....fuck I don't know what I'm doing.
How different are you dressed as compared to others in that particular bar or area of bars? What is the age differences from you to them @ the bar(if you were even able to tell visually)?
If you're feeling a tad off, have you looked into changing your style?
Or does the whole bar vibe or pretentious 'cuttthroat' people turn you off and not your 'style'? Do you have an anger/frustration when you feel like you can't fit into this crowd/their atmosphere (different to others @ the bar)?
You mentioned levels and that you were(felt?) awkward, why? Is it intellectually or social status(or their whole personas(people acting like they're better)) that turned you off?
Do you live in a small town? Pick up tinder, pof, OKCupid or some shit. JUST to get you in a vibe of going out w/ a woman and being around a woman.
Maybe visit a strip club before going to the bar? Just to bounce you from one social setting of talking to women(or throwing $ones$ @ them), to another.
I really don't know much about you other than you're a male with a cow as an avatar. What age(since you said you might be too old)?
It's not even that I fear rejection
Do you frequent that bar much? Are you in the mindset that these women may never see me(you) again (if you were to speak to them and fuck shit up badly)?
I can tell they are not interested and just mock my presence in the first place, so what's the point?
I doubt you have this ability, or do you mikeshlort ( :cool: )? What vibes('mocking presence') did they give or didn't give you (were they as a result of eye contact)?
Do you have an addictive personality(to the point where it helps conversations) when you DO spark a conversation and GET someone listening? Or do you not talk to others much?
If all fails, try phenibut. It can make one more sociable(but it's also addictive) even when that voice inside your head is telling you no.
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