Extraterrestrial life

Due to Hollywood science-fiction movies, people seem to be alot more open-minded when it comes to the idea of life on other planets. The average person today would be less suprised by alien contact, then say, someone back in the '50s. In fact, I have never met anyone in my lifetime who doubted aliens exist.

So what about you? Do you believe in extraterrestrial life?

I dont belive it at all.

Kal,

I read your posts, therefore I believe.

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I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least thousands of planets that had intelligent life on them.

originally posted by jGman:

I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least thousands of planets that had intelligent life on them.

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I agree, the way I figure is space is infinite, right? So that means it has no center, if we are alone in the universe, it would be a big waste. And as opposed to those Hollywood movies showing Et's attacking earth, if any et race had the technology to travel such a vast distance to earth, I think they would be friendly peacemakers as opposed to dangerous maruaders.

Actually, newer theories suggest the universe is finite.
http://www.mathsci.appstate.edu/~sjg/class/1010/wc/geom/donutuniverse.html

I never understood why aliens come from so far away just to probe some hillbilly in the ass. :moon:

I definetly believe that there is other life forms out there. And those life forms that have the technology to travel in space and visit other solar systems, other galaxies, have enough knowledge to destroy themselves if they have'nt reached a level where cultivating peace is more important than owning territories and imposing your will. So I think any contact with a extraterrestrial race would be peaceful.

The hour has drawn near. and the moon is rent asunder

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-the Koran, Sura 54, verse 1

I think when we aquired enough technology to leave earth (as we did when we landed on the moon), any day now, humanity can destroy itself.

We've already sorta technically found aliens, coz we found bacteria on mars. So there ya go, proof of aliens, just not as entertaining as the little green guys.

Maybe this is a little too deep but do you believe in God? If so then you believe in extraterrestrials. Extra meanings beyond and terrestrial meaning earth.

If you beleive in God/angels/demons they are in the literal sense alien to earth.

Physically however, why would it seem impossible that life exists elsewhere. If your an evolutionist then why couldn't life evolve elsewhere, if your religious, why wouldn't God create life on other planets/galaxies.

The universe is a really big place...

Bib,
You read my mind (are you an alien bro?).

Bib said:

Kal,

I read your posts, therefore I believe.

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Shithead said:

We've already sorta technically found aliens, coz we found bacteria on mars. So there ya go, proof of aliens, just not as entertaining as the little green guys.

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Exactly

I think you have to be an extremely narrow minded and sheltered person to not beleive in aliens, or a devote christian, or both.

I think there are infinite amounts of alien civilizations rising and falling all the time.

LambdaCalc said:

Actually, newer theories suggest the universe is finite.

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I thought that was common knowledge nowadays, its not really a theory anymore, I think its pretty much fact...
I get right into the scientific american sometimes when they have crazy space articles, and they are pretty sure now that outside our universe there is another place their calling "the Multiverse" that holds infinite numbers of universes where ours is just one in an infinite number....but how could you really be sure right, I beleive it though when I read that shit.

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I think you have to be an extremely narrow minded and sheltered person to not beleive in aliens, or a devote christian, or both.

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Space exploration strikes a heavy blow against mystical beleifs. Long ago, when everyone beleived that the world was flat and was the center of the universe, with the sun and stars circleing around like subjects obediently adoring their king, it was very easy to beleive in a "God" with a white beard sitting in a cloud, who created it all in one week.

Now we know the world is'nt flat. And we know it rotates on its own axis, and around the sun- which is nothing but itself a shooting star around our galaxy. And we know that our little planet is not even the biggest in our own solar system, and our solar system is'nt in the downtown area of our galaxy- its in the sticks. We also know that our universe is composed of an infinite number of galaxies.

As Giordano Bruno said, there is an infinite number of inhabited planets like ours. And because of this, he was burned by the Vatican. We have checked the clouds (people go there all the time by plane), and so far there is no white-bearded "God" anywhere. We have went another step further to the moon, and noone found a white-bearded "God". And now, our deep-space telescopes can see even more distant in the universe, but there is still no white-bearded "God" in sight. Space exploration, along with Biology, is helping to destroy this dangerous myth of "God"- a myth responsible for so many wars, torturings and crimes.

The belief in a supernatural "God" who created the universe from nothing is totally stupid, not to mention being dangerous of children's intelligence. It's not possible to do anything from nothing. Everything is composed from something. A great thinker once said, "One cannot have a watch without a watch-maker"--Albert Einstein. Try this yourself, take a dissasembled watch and put it in a bag, shake it till your blue in the face, it won't be whole.

Uhhh. Albert Einstein believed in a God.

i find it hard to believe that out of all of the planets in the universe, that there isnt anyother life forms out there. i seriously doubt that we will come in contact with any of them in my lifetime(or in the lifetime of my children/their children) but just because you odnt see something doesnt mean it isnt there.

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Uhhh. Albert Einstein believed in a God.

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Of course he did, and rightly so. In those days people who questioned the Judeo-Christian based paradigms probbaly ended up on the torturer's table or worse.

Even the first scientists were influenced by the religious beliefs of their time. For example, they believed in a particle that could not be divided that made up everything around us. They called it the atom. Since then, we have discovered that atoms can be broken up into smaller particles, which themselves are made of even smaller particles, and so on forever.

Our modern scientists who are still stuck and limited by primitive religious beliefs continue to repeat the same mistake made with the atom. Each time they discover a smaller particle, they think there can be nothing smaller. They keep adjusting their belief of the "size" of the universe each time their exploration instruments allow them to see further.

I cannot be clearer. everything is composed of something. Nothing can be made up of nothing. If something was composed of nothing, it would'nt exist.

In other words, each time we discover a smaller particle, we already know that it is made up of something smaller, because if it were not, it would not exist. It is just composed of something smaller than our current level of science can detect. Electrons existed before the atom was discovered, but the scientists of the time were not able to detect them. And with the distant galaxies our deep-space telescopes have revealed: they were there all along, but we could not see them before because like I said our level of science was limited.

Anyways, there is no place for a white-bearded "God" to exist, supervising every action of each of the 6 billion humans on earth, not to mention the other populated planets in this infinite universe. So this "God" who has supposedly created everything in infinity, must be able to supervise an infinite number of actions coming from an infinite number of people , and listen to their infinite number of prayers. What a memory and ability to concentrate this "God" posesses! Secondly, an infinite universe can have no middle, otherwise it would'nt be infinite. In such a universe, where would a "God" reside? It cannot be in the outer edge or in the center, because no places exist in an infinite universe. Some might say "God" is everywhere, but in an infinite universe, everywhere is alot!

You should consider becoming a scientologist.

Einstein did not beleive in the God of Abraham. He believed in a God as a divine watch maker. He believed this because there is obviously order in the universe.

Current models are in place suggesting there is no such thing as infinite smallness. Again, the current model of the universe is finite.

I believe Einstein was a Diest. He believed that there was maybe something out there, some sort of divine creator, but that this creator had no influence in our lives.