No shit! Greater words have never been spoken. I'm of the personal opinion that these ultra-leftists are going to put us in the toilet.Originally posted by WaxN
Irony #2: Liberals fought to make it illegal in many jurisdictions for even a parent to spank it's child - yet they've also fought to enable a woman to kill her child. Abort, yes; spank, no. You can't paddle it's butt, but you can suck it's brains out of it's skull. (I'm think I'm getting it now)....
I think I've made my point (there's far too many of these idiocies to continue here). Save the spotted owl, the snail darter, the abortionist.....guns kill, people don't (unless it's Ted Kennedy behind the wheel)....free Willie Horton....so he can rape & murder on his weekend pass, courtesy of former governor Dukakis....ah, Leftists....such an intellectual group. Why, give them another 30 or 40 years and there won't even be an America.
I'm not endorsing child abuse, but discipline. My sons don't listen unless they know they're getting near an ass-cracking. That's the way I was also, when I was young. Some kids are more docile, timid; others are wilder, more wilfull. It depends on the child. I've told the teachers at school that I spank my kids, I've told the police, I don't give a shit. My kids will never rule my household; and if they want to press it and get removed from the home, so be it - my statement will still stand: They will not rule me.Originally posted by Godsize
Yes! Yes! More beatings for children! I'm all for it. They need 'em oh so desperately. Children are like dogs, you can't speak sense to them. But they understand pain! Let it be your building block of child-rearing.
Wow - I wonder if we know each other. My wife's younger sister did the same thing. We had kids first, & she used to tell my wife, "I won't ever beat my kids." Well....her kids are insufferable monsters. She finally attempted to discipline her daughter, who's 13 now, but she's already lost. She swears at her parents, beats the hell out of her little brother. They are both awful. At family gatherings they scream the whole time, my sister-in-law tells them to quiet down (about 400 times). Everybody there has the most sour look on their faces.Originally posted by penguinsfan
My feeling is that spanking should only be used when milder methods do not produce appropriate behavior. It should also be reserved mostly for acts of attitude and defiance. I would likely spank a kid for telling his coach "fuck that", while I would never spank a kid for spilling milk all over the table, even if carelessness were to blame.
Absolutely. I never said I spank a child for making a mistake or having an accident - just for belligerent disrespect or disobedience (especially in a serious matter).
I have a sister with five children. She didn't spank the first two when they were young, but realized their behavior was getting out of hand and began using it when appropriate on them and the younger kids. Their behavior truly did improve dramatically over time. I have another sister with three kids that doesn't believe in spanking and is the queen of "modern" parenting psychology and methods. Her kids are such brats I can hardly stand to be around my own nephews and neice. She has her kids doped up on Ritalin and seeing child psychologists and there is nothing to lead me to believe that it is rooted in anything other than discipline. One could easily make a better case for damaging abuse in her case.
After posting a couple days ago, I was talking to my mother and she told me that my sister had her au pair quit on her. I guess the oldest nephew called her a "bitch" and starting hitting her. Now, she's wanting my mother who is not so well to come up to NYC and help while she goes out of town for a couple of days. I'm trying to tell mom she shouldn't do it, to let them lie in the mess they created.Originally posted by WaxN
Yep, she had all the answers - and the most fucked up kids, too.
I don't trust that shit at all. Back to the gun thing, I've heard nearly every school shooter was on Ritalin or a generic equivalent. This stuff appears to have some potentially serious psychotic side effects. My sister, who is an MD, was undoubtedly told of the wonders of Ritalin by some colleague that enjoyed many rounds of golf with the pharmaceutical rep.She also does the Ritalin thing - for school, because the teachers kept nagging & pressuring her to dope them up (at least while they're at school).
There is no question but what there are physically abusive parents out there that take things way too far, even some that are genuinely well-meaning. Yet, I think the line is more broad than you give it credit for. I think most of the problem is cognitive, rather than genetic. You can name almost any social problem related to this area and find it was not as bad a couple of generations ago. There is no question but what parenting methods the flower children of the 1960s brought to society have produced a poor product.Originally posted by Godsize
I don't know if swift merciless beatings are the answer for every kid, though. I believe some kids just can't be fixed. It's like they're fucked up at birth just 'cause they were shit out of a certain cunt, like it's genetic or something. Then there are kids who are fucked up because they got beatings in childhood. So I guess there's a fine line between discipline and creating a serial killer.