Abortion Doctor Murderer Put To Death

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stillwantmore

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I didnt find any humor in the situation on either end but, I did find it ironic that this guy who killed the doctor exclaimed that he was going to heaven. It's a sin to be presumptive as to where God is sending you after you die (if youre a believer) you can think whatever you want but, ultimately, it is His decision. Sure this guy beleived in his heart of hearts he was acting in Gods' will..."saving the innocent unborn" as the anti-abortion extremists like to say. I know people who are against abortion dont all think the same way...that it's ok to go around killing people because you think youre doing what is right. Regardless of what you may think is right, you still have to abide by the laws of our legal system or, face the consequences. From a legal standpoint what this guy did was kill an innocent man for the sake of doing so because he disagreed (very strongly so) with what he did for a living. The way to change things is not by being a vigilante and taking the law into your own hands.
 

Godsize

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Oh yeah, it's hoot, man. The irony is beautiful.

So let me get this straight. In order to stop "murder" this wackjob MURDERS someone. Huh? Murder is murder. Everyone was a baby at one point, and all life should be treated equal. I don't believe that abortion is murder unless it's performed in the third trimester or later (which is retarded). A baby, or in abortion's case, a clump of cells, is NOT more important than a person. If this guy was truly a disciple of "God", than he would have adopted some unwanted kids. But you see, that's too hard. Religious people always miss the point. You see, this abortion doctor-murderer, if he truly follows God's law, is also guilty of the deadly sin of wrath.
Another point most retard "Christians" miss is that God gave us all FREE WILL. If people want to decide that death is better than being unwanted in life, then that's their choice and only God can judge them, not some Mid-American sloth with a shotgun and a set of damaged values. This guy also made his own choice. And he paid with his life. The death penalty itself is a choice made by society. We all have a choice. Who knows what the answers are? It's just funny to sit back and watch all the idiot dumbfucks who think they know.
 

penguinsfan

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Though I'm a pretty staunch conservative, I support abortion for reasons to don't care to discuss right now.

My problem is that this guy was executed in the way he was do to political pressure on this hot issue. I mean, look at a cop killer like Mumia Abu-Jamal who got his death sentence commuted and then look at this guy. We got how many other guys sitting on death row for 20 years and this Hill guy committed his crime just a few years ago. There wasn't the usual crowd of anti-death penalty protesters decrying this execution either. Why? Because they're the same liberals that support the abortion industry. To be blunt about it and tell it like it is, this guy was executed in a quick timeframe because he killed a priest in the feminist church.
 

penguinsfan

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Very true. The guy definitely got what was coming to him. My point is simply that it's tragic that there are more deserving assholes that get their sentences commuted. We need even less assholes in this world and there are some characters on death row that there is no doubt as to their guilt that I believe to be great candidates.
 

WaxN

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Originally posted by Godsize
Either way, it's one less asshole in the world.
Correction: Two less assholes in the world - the shooter & the baby slicer.
 

WaxN

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Speaking of ironies, they abound, especially when dealing with race or gender.
Irony #1: Feminists say "My right, my choice, my body." Yet, if they have the baby, they'll seek child support in court. For what? Isn't that "baby" just an "extension of their body," an "appendage"? Then what the hell is a guy paying for? The reality is this, in most states a married woman can abort against her husband's staunchest wishes. "He" doesn't matter, he's just a paycheck. And the flipside: A slut can allow a train to be pulled on her, then get DNA tests 9 months later, and the unlucky bastard who's sperm cracked her egg has to pay up for 18 years. But I still don't know what he's paying for. I don't pay your phone bill, you don't pay my electric bill. Then what is he paying for? The moment you say, "His baby," then I say he should have some say in whether that baby lives or dies in the womb. Nah....that wouldn't be ironic enough.
Irony #2: Liberals fought to make it illegal in many jurisdictions for even a parent to spank it's child - yet they've also fought to enable a woman to kill her child. Abort, yes; spank, no. You can't paddle it's butt, but you can suck it's brains out of it's skull. (I'm think I'm getting it now)....
I think I've made my point (there's far too many of these idiocies to continue here). Save the spotted owl, the snail darter, the abortionist.....guns kill, people don't (unless it's Ted Kennedy behind the wheel)....free Willie Horton....so he can rape & murder on his weekend pass, courtesy of former governor Dukakis....ah, Leftists....such an intellectual group. Why, give them another 30 or 40 years and there won't even be an America.
 

Godsize

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I agree with you WaxN, except on the abortion. Although, if there's a baby formed in there already, then it's a bit extreme to abort it. But if we're talking about a hunk of cells that soon MAY BE a baby, then whatever. Doesn't count as a person yet. If you're of the "life begins at conception" group, then I'm sorry.

Maybe one day we will realize that it's women's bodies, their choice and everything... the lifebearers... well... really just the vessels. They give birth, but they are the host. It is men who truly have the power of Life, or at least the power of the potential to create it. Women have a limited number of eggs and a limited amount of time to be fertile. Men have the power every day, every load, till the day he dies. EVERY LOAD has the potential for life. A man can father way more children than a woman could give birth to. That is power. But in this world, we only have a choice if we're footing the bill. It's only ours if women want money for it.
I still say a dead kid is better than an unloved and unwanted one. All life is energy and that energy will just go somewhere else. I think third trimester abortion or partial birth abortion is disgusting and fucked up and makes no fucking sense. But why is all the blame put on those "evil" doctors? Shouldn't that zealot have killed the mothers of these dead fetuses? Aren't they at least 50% responsible?
 

penguinsfan

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I tend to think a lot like Godsize on the issue itself. I believe abortion is taking life, but I think it at times is beneficial for society. The evolution of my beliefs on the matter is really a pretty personal matter for me that I don't care to dig into in great detail. I used to be pro-life at one time, but things caused me to take a deeper look at the issue.

That being said, with rights come responsibilities. I think it is an absolute outrage that men can be forced to pay for children they do not want, but women do, while men have no say in the reverse situation. In a perfect world, two people would sit down and discuss the best solution to the situation, but it does not always work out ideally. Yet, if women want the absolute rights, then shoulder the responsibility of whatever decision is made.
 

penguinsfan

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Originally posted by WaxN

Irony #2: Liberals fought to make it illegal in many jurisdictions for even a parent to spank it's child - yet they've also fought to enable a woman to kill her child. Abort, yes; spank, no. You can't paddle it's butt, but you can suck it's brains out of it's skull. (I'm think I'm getting it now)....
I think I've made my point (there's far too many of these idiocies to continue here). Save the spotted owl, the snail darter, the abortionist.....guns kill, people don't (unless it's Ted Kennedy behind the wheel)....free Willie Horton....so he can rape & murder on his weekend pass, courtesy of former governor Dukakis....ah, Leftists....such an intellectual group. Why, give them another 30 or 40 years and there won't even be an America.
No shit! Greater words have never been spoken. I'm of the personal opinion that these ultra-leftists are going to put us in the toilet.
 

Godsize

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Yes! Yes! More beatings for children! I'm all for it. They need 'em oh so desperately. Children are like dogs, you can't speak sense to them. But they understand pain! Let it be your building block of child-rearing.
 

WaxN

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Originally posted by Godsize
Yes! Yes! More beatings for children! I'm all for it. They need 'em oh so desperately. Children are like dogs, you can't speak sense to them. But they understand pain! Let it be your building block of child-rearing.
I'm not endorsing child abuse, but discipline. My sons don't listen unless they know they're getting near an ass-cracking. That's the way I was also, when I was young. Some kids are more docile, timid; others are wilder, more wilfull. It depends on the child. I've told the teachers at school that I spank my kids, I've told the police, I don't give a shit. My kids will never rule my household; and if they want to press it and get removed from the home, so be it - my statement will still stand: They will not rule me.
My 12 year old's teacher kept calling about unruly behavior at school. She tried all the "progressive" methods - nothing worked. I tried the old-fashioned method: leather strap across the buttocks. She called to praise his behavior & asked what I did. I told her, she objected. I informed her that I would respond likewise any time she called. She told me I could "get into trouble doing that," etc. I reminded her that her methods failed for 3 months straight.
She hasn't called anymore. I thought my son was behaving, but a neighbor child told me he's bad in her class. She just won't call me! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Let the witch put up with him then, LMAO.
My point was that corporeal punisHydromaxent has been around for thousands of years. Even the Bible said that if you spare the rod you spoil the child. Writers throughout the centuries have spoken about getting whipped - sometimes by school masters, etc. But I don't think civilization suffered as a result.
But look at the spoiled rotten, dysfunctional monsters today. Kids murdering their siblings, parents, teachers, small neighborhood children, carrying guns to school, drugs, having babies at 13, committing suicide. How many of those little devils do you think were ever disciplined? They're usually so grossly indulged - or ignored - and they quickly come to see themselves as the center of the universe, they respect NO authority, NO rules. It's one of the main reasons I no longer coach baseball. I've actually had young kids tell me "Fuck that!" when I told them I wanted 3 laps out of them (around the field). I would've never dreamed of speaking to an adult that way when I was young.
By the way, I'm not speaking of simply anecdotal evidence. I've heard juvenile officers & court magistrates comment on young the felons are today, and what vicious crimes children are committing today - hardly the window-breaking & hubcap theft that he saw back in the 1950's & '60s.
I realize that there are other issues at play than just spanking - but that's a big part of it. You can talk to some kids til you run out of breath - so what. They just ignore you - but they can't ignore a strap setting their ass on fire. It sort of jerks them back to reality, "stressing" the error of their ways - in terms they can understand.
But I have 4 kids, yet I hear so much about how I should raise them - mostly by people who have no kids. [* note: another great irony: The most famous baby book was written by Dr. Spock - a man who never had children.] ;)
 

penguinsfan

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My feeling is that spanking should only be used when milder methods do not produce appropriate behavior. It should also be reserved mostly for acts of attitude and defiance. I would likely spank a kid for telling his coach "fuck that", while I would never spank a kid for spilling milk all over the table, even if carelessness were to blame.

That being said, I to pretty much agree with WaxN. I have a sister with five children. She didn't spank the first two when they were young, but realized their behavior was getting out of hand and began using it when appropriate on them and the younger kids. Their behavior truly did improve dramatically over time. I have another sister with three kids that doesn't believe in spanking and is the queen of "modern" parenting psychology and methods. Her kids are such brats I can hardly stand to be around my own nephews and neice. She has her kids doped up on Ritalin and seeing child psychologists and there is nothing to lead me to believe that it is rooted in anything other than discipline. One could easily make a better case for damaging abuse in her case.
 

WaxN

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Originally posted by penguinsfan
My feeling is that spanking should only be used when milder methods do not produce appropriate behavior. It should also be reserved mostly for acts of attitude and defiance. I would likely spank a kid for telling his coach "fuck that", while I would never spank a kid for spilling milk all over the table, even if carelessness were to blame.
Absolutely. I never said I spank a child for making a mistake or having an accident - just for belligerent disrespect or disobedience (especially in a serious matter).
I have a sister with five children. She didn't spank the first two when they were young, but realized their behavior was getting out of hand and began using it when appropriate on them and the younger kids. Their behavior truly did improve dramatically over time. I have another sister with three kids that doesn't believe in spanking and is the queen of "modern" parenting psychology and methods. Her kids are such brats I can hardly stand to be around my own nephews and neice. She has her kids doped up on Ritalin and seeing child psychologists and there is nothing to lead me to believe that it is rooted in anything other than discipline. One could easily make a better case for damaging abuse in her case.
Wow - I wonder if we know each other. My wife's younger sister did the same thing. We had kids first, & she used to tell my wife, "I won't ever beat my kids." Well....her kids are insufferable monsters. She finally attempted to discipline her daughter, who's 13 now, but she's already lost. She swears at her parents, beats the hell out of her little brother. They are both awful. At family gatherings they scream the whole time, my sister-in-law tells them to quiet down (about 400 times). Everybody there has the most sour look on their faces.
My kids actually act worse just by being around them. But then I finally say, "Do you really want to cry in front of all these people?"
Presto! Good behavior at last.
She also does the Ritalin thing - for school, because the teachers kept nagging & pressuring her to dope them up (at least while they're at school).
Yep, she had all the answers - and the most fucked up kids, too.
 

Godsize

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I don't know if swift merciless beatings are the answer for every kid, though. I believe some kids just can't be fixed. It's like they're fucked up at birth just 'cause they were shit out of a certain cunt, like it's genetic or something. Then there are kids who are fucked up because they got beatings in childhood. So I guess there's a fine line between discipline and creating a serial killer.
 

penguinsfan

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Originally posted by WaxN
Yep, she had all the answers - and the most fucked up kids, too.
After posting a couple days ago, I was talking to my mother and she told me that my sister had her au pair quit on her. I guess the oldest nephew called her a "bitch" and starting hitting her. Now, she's wanting my mother who is not so well to come up to NYC and help while she goes out of town for a couple of days. I'm trying to tell mom she shouldn't do it, to let them lie in the mess they created.

My sister and her husband have these kids that will be lucky enough if they can manage to get their lives in order enough to stay out of jail. Yet, they would tell me that society is fucked up because people like myself own guns. Welcome to the world of the New York liberal elitist: We know best, so don't trouble your pretty little head.

She also does the Ritalin thing - for school, because the teachers kept nagging & pressuring her to dope them up (at least while they're at school).
I don't trust that shit at all. Back to the gun thing, I've heard nearly every school shooter was on Ritalin or a generic equivalent. This stuff appears to have some potentially serious psychotic side effects. My sister, who is an MD, was undoubtedly told of the wonders of Ritalin by some colleague that enjoyed many rounds of golf with the pharmaceutical rep.
 

penguinsfan

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Originally posted by Godsize
I don't know if swift merciless beatings are the answer for every kid, though. I believe some kids just can't be fixed. It's like they're fucked up at birth just 'cause they were shit out of a certain cunt, like it's genetic or something. Then there are kids who are fucked up because they got beatings in childhood. So I guess there's a fine line between discipline and creating a serial killer.
There is no question but what there are physically abusive parents out there that take things way too far, even some that are genuinely well-meaning. Yet, I think the line is more broad than you give it credit for. I think most of the problem is cognitive, rather than genetic. You can name almost any social problem related to this area and find it was not as bad a couple of generations ago. There is no question but what parenting methods the flower children of the 1960s brought to society have produced a poor product.

Spanking or no spanking, the worst thing a parent can do is make excuses for behavior. Do not give them a way out. It's either acceptable or unacceptable behavior.
 

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