The Long Game: Learning with Longstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth

So I’m buying the Decon breaks! I worked out every day for six months, and gained about a quarter inch in girth at best. After a month and a half break, i gained about another eighth! So I’m gonna break another month and a half. When i go back, should i do a month on a month off? Two weeks off? I know i can experiment on my own, but my first thought is two months on, one month off. What do you think?
 
I think 2 weeks off is not enough time off. There are a few variables that can effect how long a decon needs to be and how often. If it's been a while since you've taken a decon you probably need one. If you've been stalled with no decon for 6+ months consider an extended decon. Other variables is the intensity of your routine, the greater the intensity the longer the decon needs to be effective. How much rest is actually in your routine, a 1 day on 1 day off decon might look different than a no days off routine.

Xeno, progenitor of IPR theory, used to only do 12 days of work, then 2 weeks of ADS before taking a 6 week decon. He made excellent and consistent gains, however he operated under the paradigm of causing micro tears so much of what he did extreme and short duration.

From a physiology perspective it needs to be a few weeks for the body to do it's thing. One month minimum in my mind to take advantage of those cheap and easy gains and to keep those consistently coming. If decons have been neglected an extended decon 3+ months will be needed to allow the body to do even more healing and remodeling.

Taking the BPSFL and strain measurements each individual can start predicting when it's time to take one I believe. For me currently that's around a month before I hit the wall and get diminishing returns. I took 18 months off before coming back to it in June.
I made the best gains ever because of the decon and my new strategy. As I've built decons into my routine a one month decon is sufficient for me. Again needs to be tailored per individual.

When someone hits the "wall" or plateau's many times the advice is to increase intensity, frequency or volume. Many times all 3. Throw everything you got at it. And they might eke out a little bit of gains before hitting another wall. What happens when you've given it all you got captain and there's nothing left to give? Now an extended decon is certain, many times the person gives up because they're doing 6 hours of daily PE work and nothing to show for it, if they come back a few months or years later they can start gaining again.

I'd rather not have to eke out anything. I'm not lazy I just have a busy life outside stretching my dick. Once guys realize you can make cheap and easy gains doing probably half the shit they're currently doing, you can take breaks and make even better gains (as you have realized) then the magic happens. Before long these goals we've set out to get don't seem so far away.
 
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longstretch said:
When someone hits the "wall" or plateau's many times the advice is to increase intensity, frequency or volume. Many times all 3. Throw everything you got at it. And they might eke out a little bit of gains before hitting another wall. What happens when you've given it all you got captain and there's nothing left to give? Now an extended decon is certain, many times the person gives up because they're doing 6 hours of daily PE work nothing to show for it, if they come back a few months or years later they can start gaining again.

I'd rather not have to eke out anything. I'm not lazy I just have a busy life outside stretching my dick. Once guys realize you can make cheap and easy gains doing probably half the shit they're currently doing, you can take breaks and make even better gains, as you have realized then the magic happens. Before long these goals we've set out to get don't seem so far away.
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very well written and explained...my general 'go to' whenever faced with an obstacle, is to 'double-up', but what you've proposed makes a lot of sense. Thanks for opening-up a different line of thinking for me
 
Slampocalypse said:
I swear I’ve gained at least 1/8 in girth since i started my decon. Maybe more. I had all but given up on reaching my final goal but with this new data, it seems i could achieve it in 2020!
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Sometimes the penis needs a break to reset it self. And if this goes successfully when you return you should expect pretty fast gains. We always want the penis to keep guessing never letting it get comfortable and causing plateaus, always pushing growth. So I hope you see some very fast growth after this Dcon.
 
Yes many times if one has been stalled for a long time or pursuing very intense routines it's not uncommon to finally have growth when taking a decon.

Similar to the actualization block after an intensification block on a powerlifting routine. You back off the week leading up to the meet and take the preceding days off. This allows accumulated fatigue to subside and then one can hit PR's.

Keep in mind it's also likely to lose a little bit when taking a decon but the list gains are quickly regained.
 
longstretch said:
Yes many times if one has been stalled for a long time or pursuing very intense routines it's not uncommon to finally have growth when taking a decon.

Similar to the actualization block after an intensification block on a powerlifting routine. You back off the week leading up to the meet and take the preceding days off. This allows accumulated fatigue to subside and then one can hit PR's.

Keep in mind it's also likely to lose a little bit when taking a decon but the list gains are quickly regained.
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Is it okay to keep doing a light jelqing routine during a decon break if you were doing SiliStretcher vacuum hanging? Like I used to do 100 jelqing every other day just for erection hardness and healthy purposes, not with the intention to gain girth. I stopped with jelqing too as i’m now in my decon break but I wonder if I could continue jelqing.
 
You can do anything you want really. A decon is just reconditioning so technically as long as it's much reduced volume you could. I tend to think if you're doing decons regularly it's best to either taper to where the last week or 2 is absolutely nothing or just do absolutely for the month you take off. I lean more towards doing absolutely nothing but have tappered with ADS before with no loss in gains. If you're doing an extended break because of never taking a decon or being stalled for a long time it's even more important to do nothing.
 
longstretch said:
You can do anything you want really. A decon is just reconditioning so technically as long as it's much reduced volume you could. I tend to think if you're doing decons regularly it's best to either taper to where the last week or 2 is absolutely nothing or just do absolutely for the month you take off. I lean more towards doing absolutely nothing but have tappered with ADS before with no loss in gains. If you're doing an extended break because of never taking a decon or being stalled for a long time it's even more important to do nothing.
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I may need some help from you in writing up a article on the science behind bundle stretching. If I can write up my theory and give it to you to proofread and add or deduct so it is an easy read. If you don’t have the time I understand, no worries.
 
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longstretch said:
Yeah man I'll give it a shot.
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Thank you my brother, you’re so much better with words than I am. I should be done with my rough draft soon and it’s all based on bundled stretching. I figured since I invented the stretch I should put some science behind it so everyone can understand it better. So again I appreciate it my friend.
 
I think I have mentioned this a few times. What's one more. Anything that's "uncemented" will potentially be lost. That is usually only a small fluctuation when you look at it. Once you start back these lost gains are reclaimed very quick and then more gains are ready to be had.

I've taken years off before and lost only 0.25 inches in length. I usually gain that back in 2 weeks. Shorter breaks are less extreme but you get the idea. For instance my current decon of a month I have lost 0.3 cm in BPSFL and around 0.1 cm BPEL. I have learned not to sweat it. My last campaign I pushed through my plateau for an extra 10 days with no new gains. These days there is only so much time I'm willing to devote to PE and honestly think this is a better way after newbie gains. You don't necessarily get better gains by just adding hours upon hours of PE and upping the intensity and weights. After a certain point the penis toughens instead of elongates. With heat this point is reduced somewhat but the plateau still occurs.

If someone has been consistent but stalled for a long time, it's not unusual for them to gain during a decon as the penis heals and remodels.
 
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After these long breaks I would always start again with the newbie routine for the first week or two I would definitely see an increase very quickly but the plateau always comes around the two week mark where I needed to get into something more substantial. What are your plans when you come back?
 
longstretch said:
3.) Therapeutic Heat: Part B, Heating with Ultrasound
Therapeutic range is 39.8-43°C (103.6 to 109.4°F). After 45°C you risk cellular death and below isn't going to get you the effect your after. A member at another site (manko007) did some experiments by placing a thermometer in his urethra and measuring common heat applications. US was able to get to those ranges quicker, maintain best and be the most comfortable.

Therapeutic ultrasound has been used for decades for physical therapy. It's using sound waves to heat up tissues deeper into muscle bellies and tendons. There are precautions like you have to keep the transducer moving because it can heat up bone and cause pain, don't go over spine or other major nerve pathways and no organs other than penis (heart, lung, liver, testicles, prostate, etc). It usually is found in 2 frequencies 1 mHz and 3 mHz.

1 mHz can heat deeper than 2.5-5.0 cm and 3 mHz can heat 0-2.5 cm. Theoretically 3 mHz is ideal but in practical terms both would work just fine. Both heat deep and won't cause skin burn with other methods of heat. If I apply it to my dorsal side I'll mainly feel the heat in the center and on other side of penis.

1 mHz option. Delta 1 mHz.

The 3 mHz option, also the one I currently have. Delta 3 mHz

The Science of Ultrasound Dosing
I personally keep my settings on 1.6-2.0 w/ cm^2 for 10 to 20 min. I've found that to be a safe range and still provide sufficient heating in 5 to 10 min.

Ultrasound now known to me to be the best thing for therapeutic heat around. It can be dangerous if abused so research and common sense need to be used. Far infrared heat lamps, heating pads (especially moist version), or other methods could be used as well with great effects. I just know that ultrasound will reach the therapeutic level quickly and consistently and has little risk if used properly. That means not too long, not to intense and only under a tensile load.

More to come stick around and learn with Longstretch.
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@longstretch

How can you adjust the output power intensity in Watt/cm^2 ? I see in this link :Prime Delta 3 MHz Ultrasound Therapy Unit LCD Display Physiotherapy for sale online | eBay

that the device only has a 3.5 Watt/cm^2 output intensity.

What about heating longer than 20 minutes? Can I also heat for 30 minutes during my hanging set? Because my SiliStretcher2 vacuum hanging sets are 30 minutes each.
 
3.5 w/cm² is the highest intensity. I have gone up to 25 min, I'd imagine as looking as you keep the transducer moving for 30 min will be okay. For me I'd like to keep things right at an hour for time purposes, and after going above that with not much more strain, kept it there. Initially we were thinking of ways to limit exposure to US. I have done 3 different sessions in the same day with multiple ultrasounds sessions as well. Just exercise caution as this is a new frontier. It looks like with Manko007's experiments the temperatures didn't go much above 40°C, so US is generally safe. Just exercise caution and common sense.
 
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With over a year under my belt with US already without any negative signs either visual or functional.
In fact all opposite as the penis is now healthier than a year ago.

It is a new territory and like so often readers tend to read other mans observations as a recommendations.
I personally have chosen a conservative way on introducing the US by limiting the time and sticking with a relative low intensity machine.

There are lot of examples of 20 minutes dose of US in clinical studies and physio therapy found to be safe.
Of course not applied to one´s dick.

That said I am increasing the application time to 25 min myself for having some extra minutes under therapeutical heat.
 
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kyrpa said:
...Of course not applied to one´s dick.
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lmao

Last week I was finally able to get used to the new heat supply (US internal vs external). Being able to be what I consider, more aggressively heating up the unit.
Even with that tho, I am only at 1.7 power with 3mhz.
Not planning on upping this at this time, during my first cycle.

Right now, even being on the conservative side, I am seeing really good BPFSL increases, so no need yet.
 
I should note that once again following kyrpa's lead I've started to measure right behind the coronal ridge (proximal), for the purpose of tracking daily strain. I measure right at the base of the ridge. Some days I even take a pen and mark the spot to make measuring easier. I feel like normal BPSFL should be tracked as well, perhaps on off days, or pre routine or weekly.

This way takes out many inaccuracies that can happen when fluid buildup of the glans occurs. I use a vac mod to attach the LG hanger to an X4 Labs extender for half an hour, ratcheting up intensity every 5 min. Then I hang with the LG hanger and finally do manual fulcrum stretches using a Bib hardcore and the power assist. Needless to say with the right intensity fluid buildup does occur and can vary greatly from day to day.
 
longstretch said:
I should note that once again following kyrpa's lead I've started to measure right behind the coronal ridge (proximal), for the purpose of tracking daily strain. I measure right at the base of the ridge. Some days I even take a pen and mark the spot to make measuring easier. I feel like normal BPSFL should be tracked as well, perhaps on off days, or pre routine or weekly.

This way takes out many inaccuracies that can happen when fluid buildup of the glans occurs. I use a vac mod to attach the LG hanger to an X4 Labs extender for half an hour, ratcheting up intensity every 5 min. Then I hang with the LG hanger and finally do manual fulcrum stretches using a Bib hardcore and the power assist. Needless to say with the right intensity fluid buildup does occur and can vary greatly from day to day.
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What is your current length size now?
 
DLD said:
difficult but it will happen. Just keep being consistent and I promise you will hit that 9 inch mark.
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Yes that's true. Now that I'm at 8.25, I want to start combining length work and girth work together. I just feel like I shouldn't be using the bathmate while everyone else is using the mityvac.

I hate the idea of having to bring some water in a bucket to my room. It's frustrating. So now I'm thinking whether to save for the mityvac and continue my length work or to just use the bathmate for girth until I can afford the mityvac.
 
You can use a brake bleeder reservoir and convert an air pump to a water pump, check my log for details, I think I did it in October. If you already have a cylinder and hand pump it'll cost around $30 in supplies to convert. If you do not then of course you would need to purchase a cylinder and hand pump. Pumping to me has always been on par with ADS and considered supplemental, though many have gained with it.

I can see with these principles hot water pumping could be used for heat, though experimentation to reduce FR is to be made. Also possible clamping and increased intensity ultrasound as well as a few more ideas are floating around. I did not have any increased gains switching to girth my last campaign when length gains stalled. Kyrpa however did. Once I reach my end goal length I will fully convert to girth work. I hope to be fully done before I start school next fall for my master's.
 
@longswhat do you think about water pumping and air pumping? Do you think one works better than the other?
 
Also I'll say my girth has grown a little unintentionally from the fulcrums and back in June was doing bundles and fulcrums. So I would keep those in a girth focused routine. Kyrpa has been doing bundled hanging with US which sounds amazing. I could see traditional girth work or maybe xeno's mad creations being used afterwards for effective gains.
 
huge-girth said:
@longswhat do you think about water pumping and air pumping? Do you think one works better than the other?
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Seems to work about the same with water pumping being slightly favorable because of water pressure and ability to add hot water however is more messy and requires more resources to set up. Again I've used both but wouldn't attribute any of my permanent gains to it.
 
I have also gained some girth from bundled stretches too and I intend combining length and girth work together. But right now, I'm contemplating whether to wait until I buy a mityvac pump or just resume pumping with my X40 extreme.

I'm yet to decide but when I do, bundled stretches will surely be a part of it
 
longstretch said:
Seems to work about the same with water pumping being slightly favorable because of water pressure and ability to add hot water however is more messy and requires more resources to set up. Again I've used both but wouldn't attribute any of my permanent gains to it.
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Okay, I get you. But one last question. Have you ever pumped consistently for 6 months?
 
Well not for quite 6 months but I have pumped consistently in past. Enough to learn my way around it and make up my mind that's its not a vital part of my routine. There are some that, I'd wager most, that don't make permanent gains with pumping or if they do it takes an extraordinary amount of time. I mixed my pumping with traditional exercises. I can't actually recall gaining with pumping alone but again I've always felt it to be more supplementary like ADS and that was generally the consensus from others I followed. I don't view it as a reliable way to gain, I think most of the stress is actually absorbed by the skin, it being more supple than the CC's and tunica, which of course leads to FR or the donut effect. This can be seen by keenly looking at members who over pump or by doing so yourself.

I don't think it's impossible to gain from pumping and that it could still be used effectively in a well thought out routine as mentioned as a way to add heat with hot water and as a supplementary exercise. Check out Titleist at thunders and I think Haursen and Big Schwanz Acht here for pro pumping information.
 
longstretch said:
Well not for quite 6 months but I have pumped consistently in past. Enough to learn my way around it and make up my mind that's its not a vital part of my routine. There are some that, I'd wager most, that don't make permanent gains with pumping or if they do it takes an extraordinary amount of time. I mixed my pumping with traditional exercises. I can't actually recall gaining with pumping alone but again I've always felt it to be more supplementary like ADS and that was generally the consensus from others I followed. I don't view it as a reliable way to gain, I think most of the stress is actually absorbed by the skin, it being more supple than the CC's and tunica, which of course leads to FR or the donut effect. This can be seen by keenly looking at members who over pump or by doing so yourself.

I don't think it's impossible to gain from pumping and that it could still be used effectively in a well thought out routine as mentioned as a way to add heat with hot water and as a supplementary exercise. Check out Titleist at thunders and I think Haursen and Big Schwanz Acht here for pro pumping information.
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I have so much confidence in the SSJ when combined with pumping. I believe so much in girth exercises and as long as I'm getting the right amount of expansion, all I need is consistency and the gains will come.
 
huge-girth said:
I have so much confidence in the SSJ when combined with pumping. I believe so much in girth exercises and as long as I'm getting the right amount of expansion, all I need is consistency and the gains will come.
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The dynamic duo!
 
Awesome insights. I hope you enjoy any further thoughts, and gains, you get from these principles! I edited my first part on BPSFL to reflect my new measurement recommendation.
 
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We need to standardize the final consensus on specifications of US machine required for best results. @kyrpa thought once that a 3mhz was the way to go, but then decided to use 2 1mhz together at the same time. Manko007 decided to heat first at 3mhz and then use 1mhz to keep heat. Others have gone strictly 3mhz route.
 
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