The Long Game: Learning with Longstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth

I like the 3 because I currently only apply US while in a fulcrum hanging position, so the shaft is on the skinny side. Lol

If I was going to change up and apply US during a girth routine (I am kinda against this idea personally due to risk while restricting blood flow but I know others are in the process of doing DOE’s so we will see) or even length routines without being in a bent position, then I could see the possible benefit of using a 1 for a deeper penetration.
Worst case, if there is some concern with the 3 then you can always apply from both sides/180 degrees apart and you would be sure to heat the entire target area.
 
Mike03016 said:
I like the 3 because I currently only apply US while in a fulcrum hanging position, so the shaft is on the skinny side. Lol

If I was going to change up and apply US during a girth routine (I am kinda against this idea personally due to risk while restricting blood flow but I know others are in the process of doing DOE’s so we will see) or even length routines without being in a bent position, then I could see the possible benefit of using a 1 for a deeper penetration.
Worst case, if there is some concern with the 3 then you can always apply from both sides/180 degrees apart and you would be sure to heat the entire target area.
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Thats exactly what I have thought too. I believe that even the penis stretched without any fulcrum, is still too thin for a 1MHZ. Theoretically, the waves will go out to the other side. That is why I think Kyrpa at some point was resting his dick stretched over the leg while using the 1MHZ. And if stretching while doing fulcrum, even worst. The whole shaft flattens to maybe half inch thickness at most in which case only 3Mhz wold be effective.
 
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Thats exactly what I have thought too. I believe that even the penis stretched without any fulcrum, is still too thin for a 1MHZ. Theoretically, the waves will go out to the other side. That is why I think Kyrpa at some point was resting his dick stretched over the leg while using the 1MHZ. And if stretching while doing fulcrum, even worst. The whole shaft flattens to maybe half inch thickness at most in which case only 3Mhz wold be effective.
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how long have you been doing this routine? Any results? Looking to get back into things after a lengthy time off
 
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Very interesting ideas in this thread. I am coming back from a long break (18 months). Interested to see if I break plateaus.
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This thread is become a book of its own. So many good ideas and so much research.
 
johnny-wang said:
@longstretch @Jackxxx I have been seeing some pretty cheap portable US devices on Aliexpress, do you guys think those are any good?
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No because all that garbage is made in china. Everything made in china is 100% pure grade excrement. Unless is an American or European company building in China under their standards and even so I wouldn't trust them.

We've already had some feedback from Indian US devices not being perfectly accurate in their potency but at least good enough for our purpose.

I wouldn't risk using a chinky machine in my dick.
 
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@Jackxxx In your opinion what is the way to use ultrasound devices?
Before, during or after hanging?
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You want to use it during hanging. It’s not a passive heating method. You need to actively move the transducers around making small circles along your shaft. Itneeds 10-15 minutes to get to therapeutic levels first though. Maintaining the right temperature is relatively easy during your hanging set.
 
As @DutchAthletic92 said, I agree. Even more, in my opinion in order to get full benefits of US, is has to be used on its own, not as part of other exercises. Simply because of the reason that US works better causing strain, and NOT inflammation which it has been the conventional approach to PE throughout the years.

And ideal US routine would be to follow a US protocol and asses results. If it is providing results, do not modify it, do not add anything to it. If results are little or zero, then you try other variables such as adding some manual exercises, or doing a second non US routine at a different time of the day.
 
Awesome thread, thank you so much for that contribution. I think, it is a game changer but you need to thorougly follow and understand the principles outlined here.
 
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Nicks said:
Awesome thread, thank you so much for that contribution. I think, it is a game changer but you need to thorougly follow and understand the principles outlined here.
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One of the longest running threads here
 
Read through all this and agree on taking breaks to heal. The problem i have is when I want to hang after being in an ads for 8+ hours is just too much for me to handle and causes blisters even with taping. I'm going to adapt the 2 on 1 off routine to see how it helps.
 
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Qonrad said:
Read through all this and agree on taking breaks to heal. The problem i have is when I want to hang after being in an ads for 8+ hours is just too much for me to handle and causes blisters even with taping. I'm going to adapt the 2 on 1 off routine to see how it helps.
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Yeah you wanna mess around with the timing to get yourself to a place that’s perfect for you. You don’t want to overdo it and cause blisters and discoloration or even thrombosis. Try two on one off if that doesn’t work try every other day. I will also mess around with the weight a little bit too. I really like pyramid sets, You can find them in SRT. Check it out let me know what you think
 
I have the stealth stretcher and been using it since jan 26th. I gained about 1/4 inch. Starting at 5.75 BPEL and now 6". My girth also went up pretty fast from 5.5 to 5.75. I found that vac hanging is the problem for me so I just used a flat thick shoe lace and sleeve to hang my weights on. It works and no problems but unlike the vac hanger you have to take it off every 10-15 minutes and get fresh blood to head and just repeat for 3 or 4 sets. I have noticed that I can now stretch my flacid length to 6.25" which is really what I'm trying to track. I read that it's easier to track that for progress than BPEL as that can vary a lot depending on EQ but BPFL doesn't.
 
Qonrad said:
I have the stealth stretcher and been using it since jan 26th. I gained about 1/4 inch. Starting at 5.75 BPEL and now 6". My girth also went up pretty fast from 5.5 to 5.75. I found that vac hanging is the problem for me so I just used a flat thick shoe lace and sleeve to hang my weights on. It works and no problems but unlike the vac hanger you have to take it off every 10-15 minutes and get fresh blood to head and just repeat for 3 or 4 sets. I have noticed that I can now stretch my flacid length to 6.25" which is really what I'm trying to track. I read that it's easier to track that for progress than BPEL as that can vary a lot depending on EQ but BPFL doesn't.
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Thats very interesting way of hanging, very creative. Does not it cause you any bruises? What sleeve do you use?
Btw you are right about the BPEL being inconsistent, mine varies too a LOT. It can be sometimes just a matter of seconds when you are measuring and you lose your erection just by 1-2 % it affect the whole number and can discourage you. The stretched length is probably more reliable.
 
If you go to zenhanger.com their draw string is how they do it or they have a leather lace up with a hook attachment. I just thought $25 was stupid for just a cotton flat drawstring rope. Went to one of my fitness shorts that had thick string on it and pulled it out and used that and used the sleeves that came with my SS. I do say I'm 4" girth flacid and I had trouble with the 1" sleeves and went and tried out the 3/4" sleeve and it works better as you really thin out when hanging and 1" just tends to slip off sometimes. So, if your like me in girth I recommend using a smaller one and just cut a 2" band out of it.
 
The SiliStretcher or the StealthStretcher are both awesome ADS and vacuum hanger. But also keep in mind the Lengthmaster is also a hanger. The reason I bring this up is the LM can do many other things than just hanging. So if you’re looking for things to add in consider the LM as it can be used to do power assist stretching, bundles and rolls, two handed stretching via the handlebars, hanging and so much more. Just wanted to let you know
 
I wouldn't push more than 2.2 w/cm² and you should start out below that maybe at 1.2-1.5. I personally never went above 2.0. I have a 3 mHz machine but I think through the experiments they found it doesn't really matter if you use a 1 or 3 mHz machine so just get what you can afford and try to get a quality one.

We were still experimenting with adding traction during decon but we generally agreed that some period of time needed to have a "no touch" policy so your tissues relax to baseline as much as possible. At least last I checked I have been away from forums for quite a while. Kypra made effective gains without ADSing and I made them with, however I am a more seasoned veteran that has now gained legitimately 3 inches. I tend to think a 1-3 weeks of a withdrawal period where the frequency and intensity of ADS is reduced would be effective, followed by at least 30 days of no touch in the rest phase. Honestly if you can get away without doing the ADS just for simplicity sake try it. If you stall even after decons or you lose a good bit during decon try it. Still stalled I'd recommend a longer decon and/or increase in intensity within reason. I think a degree of self experimentation is still called for.
 
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I wouldn't push more than 2.2 w/cm² and you should start out below that maybe at 1.2-1.5. I personally never went above 2.0. I have a 3 mHz machine but I think through the experiments they found it doesn't really matter if you use a 1 or 3 mHz machine so just get what you can afford and try to get a quality one.

We were still experimenting with adding traction during decon but we generally agreed that some period of time needed to have a "no touch" policy so your tissues relax to baseline as much as possible. At least last I checked I have been away from forums for quite a while. Kypra made effective gains without ADSing and I made them with, however I am a more seasoned veteran that has now gained legitimately 3 inches. I tend to think a 1-3 weeks of a withdrawal period where the frequency and intensity of ADS is reduced would be effective, followed by at least 30 days of no touch in the rest phase. Honestly if you can get away without doing the ADS just for simplicity sake try it. If you stall even after decons or you lose a good bit during decon try it. Still stalled I'd recommend a longer decon and/or increase in intensity within reason. I think a degree of self experimentation is still called for.
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Welcome back my brother it’s been quite a while since I’ve seen you around. I hope everything’s going well for you.
 
longstretch said:
It's only a lifelong pursuit if your methods are not ideal, I've been guilty of this. I hope others can learn from my long career for the better and not repeat the same mistakes. That's was the whole purpose of this thread and to share knowledge.

Imagine going years with very little to no gains. Then imagine finding the solution you've been seeking and making 0.5 inch gain in 3 months and that includes taking one month off. I've did some things right in a bumbling fool sort of way and alott of things wrong, that are oddly enough accepted as truth in PE community.

What does all this data really say? A 2 phase approach. The best way to maximize total gains for the newbie is to not do too much to cause tissue toughening or injury. I mean maximal gains over the PE "career", other methods will reduce overall gains or at least prolong the time it takes to achieve.

This means low level tension for lots of time. Extenders are a perfect example. I, in a bumbling fool type of way, accomplished this with vacuum hanging while being a student in college. I never hung past 8 lbs and gained an inch in 6 months. This happened after I made my first inch and was stalled for 2 years of religious PE. Extenders have been documented as reliable and effective and satisfy what a newbie needs. Low weight vacuum hanging could be another.

After this has been thoroughly milked. Around a year before diminishing returns kick in. Second phase is what me and Kyrpa are suggesting. Slightly higher tension, shorter routines. Therapeutic heat allows greater elongation and less damage as it effects the collagen. Use of decons allows for sustained growth when diminishing returns kicks in. Measuring and tracking of strain allows users feedback and if posted can be useful data for others.

This is in contrast what is usually suggested for hangers and general PE.
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How long were your sets when you gained that inch? his is one thing that can be a HUGE variable... I find your perspective very well researched and probably true.. But what about time hanging?
 
longstretch said:
Thank you thought I'd check in things since I'm about to have slightly more free time.

Awe man that's been like 15 years ago. I will say it was probably around 3-4 hours total on most days as I was studying at the same time
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I figured, i read somewhere that the greatest factor when it comes to stretching ligs is actually time.
 
Hi @longstretch first of all congrats for the great work you’ve been doing for this brotherhood. I was wondering...what if we apply the same principles of stress relaxation used for BPFSL to girth? For instance I can use a pump to get expansions and an IR lamp or heat pad to reach therapeutic heat... then starting to train girth as tough as BPFSL with UT... can it work?
 
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Now if we cause our penis to toughen up that means we can no longer stretch it the same length with the same weight or will need longer time under tension. A penis can grow so tough it can resist over 100 lbs and not break, nor give gains. Now the toughening process cannot be avoided but many PE practitioners unknowingly do things to hasten this process.
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This makes perfect sense to me!

Edit: Even from a hanging perspective.
 
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What ever happened to this whole train of thought? It sounded very promising but it just kinda fell off a couple years ago. Did anyone incorporate this into their routine and post results or anything? I'm interested in reading up on this some more.
 
WannaGet said:
What ever happened to this whole train of thought? It sounded very promising but it just kinda fell off a couple years ago. Did anyone incorporate this into their routine and post results or anything? I'm interested in reading up on this some more.
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Bumping it is the fastest way to bring it back
 
WannaGet said:
What ever happened to this whole train of thought? It sounded very promising but it just kinda fell off a couple years ago. Did anyone incorporate this into their routine and post results or anything? I'm interested in reading up on this some more.
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Well me a few others had great results. I see some people attempting it and not getting good enough strain results. I suspect this is either from not using therapeutic heat properly, not using enough weights or being over conditioned and needing a decon or some combination. These strategies are somewhat on the advanced spectrum. I'm coming back from another break and will restart in late September after a race I've been training for. I was up to 8.19 inches BPEL and am now measuring 7.75 inches so I lost about a half inch on a very long decon, which is to be expected. Plus I had intended to do a few more cycles to cement but I work in medical and covid was on some other bullshit.

You need to have some sort of skin conditioning and have your taping method down if using vacuum hanger or extenders. Hell for compression hangers you need to have skin condition and wrap down. You need to know what injuries to avoid and maybe even what the beginning of one looks like. And if like me you got up to 20 lbs hanging or have been stalled for significant amount of time you need to take a long break because the addition of therapeutic heat alone to really tough tissue may not be enough to elicit the strain needed.
 
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Well me a few others had great results. I see some people attempting it and not getting good enough strain results. I suspect this is either from not using therapeutic heat properly, not using enough weights or being over conditioned and needing a decon or some combination. These strategies are somewhat on the advanced spectrum. I'm coming back from another break and will restart in late September after a race I've been training for. I was up to 8.19 inches BPEL and am now measuring 7.75 inches so I lost about a half inch on a very long decon, which is to be expected. Plus I had intended to do a few more cycles to cement but I work in medical and covid was on some other bullshit.

You need to have some sort of skin conditioning and have your taping method down if using vacuum hanger or extenders. Hell for compression hangers you need to have skin condition and wrap down. You need to know what injuries to avoid and maybe even what the beginning of one looks like. And if like me you got up to 20 lbs hanging or have been stalled for significant amount of time you need to take a long break because the addition of therapeutic heat alone to really tough tissue may not be enough to elicit the strain needed.
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This is a Eureka moment for me! I've been manually bag hanging 20lbs 10-15 mins/day and stalled for months. Very recently began bundles. Currently at 9 1/8 bpsfl. 6" EG. I've gained no more than a 1/4" bpsfl since I began PE in March. Is it time for a decon, do I need to invest more time daily or both?
 
bigforbigger said:
This is a Eureka moment for me! I've been manually bag hanging 20lbs 10-15 mins/day and stalled for months. Very recently began bundles. Currently at 9 1/8 bpsfl. 6" EG. I've gained no more than a 1/4" bpsfl since I began PE in March. Is it time for a decon, do I need to invest more time daily or both?
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I think both but in a conservative way. You size is amazing so don't be in a rush. Take your time as you progress ✨️
 
bigforbigger said:
Thank you. my NBPEL is 7.6-7.7 conservatively. I'm shooting for 8 NBP but so elusive to achieve. I'm convinced I need a month off and probably a Length Master.
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A lenghtmaster will get you there quickly. The power is incredible and the rate of gains surpasses any other method. You do not need a month off a week should be plenty. Good luck my friend
 
DLD said:
A lenghtmaster will get you there quickly. The power is incredible and the rate of gains surpasses any other method. You do not need a month off a week should be plenty. Good luck my friend
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Do you know of any LM 3 sales/discounts? I saw one was posted in the Spring. Thank you,
 
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