New member new routine - progress thread

[usa4tw]

Thanks! Do you think it’s not a good idea then to add another set to 5/5/3?

 

[DLD]

Keep going for another 2 months. Our brother @kriskros can testify that he had been doing this for a long time, and for the life of him, measured, measured, measured but no gains. A break later, and BOOM, sudden gains. What you don't see doesn't mean you're not gaining. Just follow the step processes and keep going. If you have to switch up the routines, switch it up. Don't stop. Don't worry. Keep going.

Exactly . making adjustments to the routine is always paramount in continuous growth. Also it is important to take a break when needed. I have seen men who could not gain and my advice is to take a break and come back with a new routine and they finally start gaining. Taking a break is only necessary when injured or when you are not gaining. In the latter it is important to adjust your routine. SRT is a great routine as you can add or take away from it to be just right for your situation.

 

[DLD]

Thanks! Do you think it’s not a good idea then to add another set to 5/5/3?

Add it if you can take it. Everyone should be training as much as they can.

 

[oldandlively]

Thanks! Do you think it’s not a good idea then to add another set to 5/5/3?

Yes! Oh yes! Add as many sets as you think you have time for. 5x5x3 is merely a baseline. You can go crazy!

From what I see, rather than doing a 5 minutes pump, go back and read the discussion on starting out with SSJ first. Our brother @Haursen latest routine may work in your favor. It's practically a modified 5x5x3 routines we've seen over the years that work for certain set of brothers with unique penile tissues. You may be one of them.

This is my recommendation, start with a 7 minutes of SSJ, follow by a 3 minutes of moderate pressure pumping. Since the pressure is unknown at the moment, let's use the pressure to the point where you feel that expansion dull sensation in the current pump. I'm seeing a 7inHg.

For the second set, start with SSJ for 10 minutes. The reason why I recommending 10 minutes is because you have a unique harden lateral tissue. Use 4 minutes of pumping afterwards.

For the third set, use another 10 minutes of SSJ. BUT, only 3 minutes of pumping.

If you have, repeat second and third set as many times as you need to.

 

[oldandlively]

Thanks! Do you think it’s not a good idea then to add another set to 5/5/3?

Yes! Oh yes! Add as many sets as you think you have time for. 5x5x3 is merely a baseline. You can go crazy!

From what I see, rather than doing a 5 minutes pump, go back and read the discussion on starting out with SSJ first. Our brother @Haursen latest routine may work in your favor. It's practically a modified 5x5x3 routines we've seen over the years that work for certain set of brothers with unique penile tissues. You may be one of them.

This is my recommendation, start with a 7 minutes of SSJ, follow by a 3 minutes of moderate pressure pumping. Since the pressure is unknown at the moment, let's use the pressure to the point where you feel that expansion dull sensation in the current pump. I'm seeing a 7inHg.

For the second set, start with SSJ for 10 minutes. The reason why I recommending 10 minutes is because you have a unique harden lateral tissue. Use 4 minutes of pumping afterwards.

For the third set, use another 10 minutes of SSJ. BUT, only 3 minutes of pumping.

If you have, repeat second and third set as many times as you need to.

 

[usa4tw]

Thank you I will try that! 7/3, 10/4, 10/3.

One other question, is it ok to put a passive sleeve back on after my girth work/cock ring? Basically in the evening. Wanted to make sure this compression from it didn’t undo the girth work.


For reference here is my current log

This routine is 5 days a week unless otherwise noted	Length: erect stretch in minutes (M/W/F or 3 days a week only)	Length: low grip manual stretch in minutes	Length: Bundled stretch 4 sets	Length: rotary cranks	Length: Extender in hours	Length: Extender tension range in kg	Length: Passive sleeve in hours	Girth: 5/5/3	Girth: vac hg used	Girth: cock ring in minutes	Notes
Jan 28, 2025	5	5	Complete	Forgot	3	1.6-2.5	3	Complete	5.5-7	30	First day of revised workout, no issues
Jan 29, 2025	-	6	Complete	25	2.25	1.6-2.5	2	Complete	5.5-7	40
Jan 30, 2025	5	6	Complete	25	2.25	1.6-2.5	3	Complete	5.5-7	40
Jan 31, 2025	-	6	Complete	25	0.75	1.6-2.2	3	Complete	5.5-7	40	Was short on time
Feb 3, 2025	5	6	Complete	25	1.75	1.6-2.5	4	Complete	5.5-7	40
Feb 4, 2025	-	6	Complete	25	3	1.6-2.5	2	Complete	5.5-7	45
Feb 5, 2025	5	6	Complete	25	1.5	1.6-2.2	-	Complete	5.5-7	45	Short on time
Feb 6, 2025	-	6	Complete	25	3	1.6-2.5	1	Complete	5.5-7	45
Feb 7, 2025	5	6	Complete	25	2.25	1.6-2.2	2	Complete	5.5-7	45
Feb 10, 2025	No time	6	Complete	25	3	1.6-2.8	1	Complete	5.5-7	45
Feb 11, 2025	5	6	Complete	25	2.25	1.6-2.5	2	Complete	6-7	45
Feb 12, 2025	5	6	Complete	25	2.25	3.5(L twist, R twist), 1.6-2.2	2	Complete	6-7-05	45	Started using heat with extender
Feb 13, 2025	-	7	Complete	25	4	3.5(L twist, R twist), 1.4-2.2	1.5	-	-	-	Low grips are now bundled. Ran out of time no girth
Feb 14, 2025	5	6	Complete	25	2.5	3.5(L twist, R twist), 1.4-2.2	2	Complete	6-7-05	45
Feb 17, 2025	5	6	Complete	25	2.5	3.5(L twist, R twist), 1.4-2.2	2	Complete	6-7-05	45
Feb 18, 2025	-	7	Complete	25	2.5	3.5(L twist, R twist), 1.4-2.2	3	No time	-	-
Feb 19, 2025	6	6	Complete	25	2.6	3.5(L twist, R twist), 1.4-2.2	3	Complete	6-7-05	45
Feb 20, 2025	-	6	Complete	25	2.5	3.5(L twist, R twist), 1.4-2.2	2	Complete	6-7-05	45
Feb 21, 2025	6	7.5	Complete	25	3.25	3.5(L twist, R twist), 1.4-2.2	2	Complete	6-7-05	45
Feb 24, 2025	6	6	Complete	25	3	3.5(L twist, R twist), 1.4-2.2	2.5	Complete did 4 sets	6-7-05	60

 

[oldandlively]

One other question, is it ok to put a passive sleeve back on after my girth work/cock ring? Basically in the evening. Wanted to make sure this compression from it didn’t undo the girth work.

There are 2 kind of sleeve wearing. For the 45 to 60 minutes, don't wear the sleeve on for the entire penis. Just a short segment the base of the penis. Allow the entire penis to engorge at its flaccid state. So, wear a cock ring or a cut out penis sleeve at the base of the penis, and get as much blood into it as possible.

After 60 minutes, put the loose, and I mean LOOSE sleeve on. Force the penis to be elongated in the loose sleeve for as long as you want. You're not hurting the girth work at this point. You're taking advantage of the girth work to keep the length of the penis.

 

[usa4tw]

The sleeve I have is a sili sleeve 2. Is that considered a loose sleeve?

I don’t wear any sleeve during girth work or while wearing the cock ring.

 

[oldandlively]

The sleeve I have is a sili sleeve 2. Is that considered a loose sleeve?

SiliSleev#2 is a softer sleeve. Loose sleeves means it's loose on your penis when you put it on. Loose means it has a larger diameter that doesn't choke or squeeze your penis. It's loose enough that when you put it on, if your penis shrinks and retract, it'll slide right into the sleeve and the sleeve just pops out. That's loose.

I don’t wear any sleeve during girth work or cock ring.

During girth work or routine, don't wear any cock ring or sleeve. ONLY when you are done with the girh work, the post-girth work period when you rest your penis, that's when you use the cock ring or sleeve cut out to keep your penis engorged.

 

[usa4tw]

Got it thank you. I have a looser sleeve. Can I still wear the silisleeve 2 on off days and before girth work (after length work/extender)?

Sorry I corrected the message you quoted since it sounded wrong. I wear the cock ring after the girth work as you said.

 

[DLD]

Got it thank you. I have a looser sleeve. Can I still wear the silisleeve 2 on off days and before girth work (after length work/extender)?

That's perfect. You can use before and after you train. Your just looking to hold a minimal amount of blood. You do not need to choke the cock, simply keeping enough blood to remain engorged enough to heal in that state

 

[usa4tw]

Thanks guys!

 

[DLD]

Thanks guys!

Always my Brother

 

[kriskros]

I had zero results during the 6th month of doing PE which drove me crazy and made me sad to the point I stopped everything and quiting PE. Then I woke up in a morning after some time to find myself having 0.5' in girth, 0.5' in length.
For some people (like me) the healing process is so important

 

[DLD]

I had zero results during the 6th month of doing PE which drove me crazy and made me sad to the point I stopped everything and quiting PE. Then I woke up in a morning after some time to find myself having 0.5' in girth, 0.5' in length.
For some people (like me) the healing process is so important

That's great news! What are you doing now for a workout?

 

[kriskros]

That's great news! What are you doing now for a workout?

5x5x3 is the only way. I have tried everything.
The only problem with me is that for some reason I have high penis tolerance and I do not know If I am pumping at 10-12hg if I am actually damaging my penis instead of helping it.

 

[oldandlively]

5x5x3 is the only way. I have tried everything.
The only problem with me is that for some reason I have high penis tolerance and I do not know If I am pumping at 10-12hg if I am actually damaging my penis instead of helping it.

You're fine brother. Just be careful as you go up. I would stay between 10 and 12 for now, for as long as you can. At times, increase it up to 13 for just 30 seconds, and drop down to stay at 10 and 12. Go higher just for a few moment to increase the tissues, and go back down to sustain the expansion. You're not damaging it.

For the brothers that are reading that 10inHg and upper is okay, DON'T go there yet. Brother kriskros already preconditioned his penis for this pressure range.

 

[kriskros]

You're fine brother. Just be careful as you go up. I would stay between 10 and 12 for now, for as long as you can. At times, increase it up to 13 for just 30 seconds, and drop down to stay at 10 and 12. Go higher just for a few moment to increase the tissues, and go back down to sustain the expansion. You're not damaging it.

For the brothers that are reading that 10inHg and upper is okay, DON'T go there yet. Brother kriskros already preconditioned his penis for this pressure range.

I am very concerned because i am not getting any edema anymore which makes me afraid of what i am doing, is not enough. We know edema is bad but it is a proof you pushed hard, isnt it?

 

[oldandlively]

I am very concerned because i am not getting any edema anymore which makes me afraid of what i am doing, is not enough. We know edema is bad but it is a proof you pushed hard, isnt it?

Edema is indeed not a good thing, but it's also not a bad thing. Edema means you pushed a bit too hard for too long. You just need to push hard but not too long by reduce the time in the pump and more time with SSJ and other jelqing.

 

[kriskros]

Edema is indeed not a good thing, but it's also not a bad thing. Edema means you pushed a bit too hard for too long. You just need to push hard but not too long by reduce the time in the pump and more time with SSJ and other jelqing.

I tried 5x5x5 but no edema. Yes, I got expansion but if I train for 3 days in a row, my expansion will fade very fast (3-4 hours)

 

[oldandlively]

I tried 5x5x5 but no edema. Yes, I got expansion but if I train for 3 days in a row, my expansion will fade very fast (3-4 hours)

Better than no expansion or no display of expansion. You came a long way brother.

 

[kriskros]

Better than no expansion or no display of expansion. You came a long way brother.

I really do not know how i managed. If it wasn't for you to organize me and explain me things I wonder if I would have gains

 

[DLD]

Better than no expansion or no display of expansion. You came a long way brother.

we do not need huge expansion to heal. A minimal expansion is just fine. Just be consistent as much as you can to continue healing from girth workouts.

 

[oldandlively]

I really do not know how i managed. If it wasn't for you to organize me and explain me things I wonder if I would have gains

You probably would have, just more stressed out because of your worries.

 

[DLD]

You probably would have, just more stressed out because of your worries.

Worry is nothing nice, it will truly work against your training and growth. Put your worries in Jesus hands and you will find peace.

 

[kriskros]

You probably would have, just more stressed out because of your worries.

Please answer this. Many people are saying that extenders help with girth. How true is that ?

 

[oldandlively]

Please answer this. Many people are saying that extenders help with girth. How true is that ?

There's a little truth to that, but a hell load of lies mixed in. This is the major case for manufacturers and sellers that want to push the products. I'll explain.

We've discussed in many extended details on why girth routines help with length, and length routines help with girth. But if you take an average data across the board for all devices, pumping for girth only helps to gain 10% of the length, and extenders use for length only helps to increase 10% of the girth. 10% is being very liberal on giving the devices the most optimal gains they can every hope to attain. Most gains are around 5% at best.

If that don't make sense, this will.

When you perform girth routines, especially in the pump, you are causing a pull on the tunica for length. You're engaging a tunica fiber weakening. Most people who only pump, nothing more but just pump (no SSJ, no prewarming stretches, nothing), do not see the length gain. The only reason why they gain some kind of length is because they are in a period of hyper growth. They have not stop growing, or they are in their period of high reproductive escapades. In other words, they're horny and they want to spread their semen. During this period, the body releases high level of human growth hormone and collagen to improve their reproductive chances. Their penises are easily influenced by abnormal changes. So, a little tug and pull on their penis may just be enough to trigger their body to release as much resources as possible to make their penises grow. When that happens, the companies want to use this phenomenon to say, "Our products will make your penis larger and longer!!" That only happens to those who are actually in the period of growth still. That means their age group is still young. Good luck in finding the same conditions apply to older age group.

The same is true for the length products, such as the extender. There's actually more truth to the extender than the pump. Why is that? When the extender is used to stretch the tunica, the tunica caused the surrounding tissues to also hyper extend and enlarged. Take a water hose for example. If you pump the hose up with higher pressure than the hose can handle, you only get lateral expansion. It gets larger before the hose bursts. BUT, if you stretch it slowly like an extender, The hose wall breaks down little by little and it stretches longer and longer. When your penis engages in erection from morning woods or through sexual excitement, like a stretched hose with thinner walls, the pressure influences an expansion more readily. In term the hose, the hose can both expand easier and doesn't explode like when the wall is more rigid. So, you have a longer hose and a larger expanding hose. Same for the penis. When the penis is extended in length, the surround tissues are also stretched to their limits. This allows any extra blood pressure to expand the cavernosa more readily, creating a "large" penis as well as a "longer" penis.

So, to compare side-by-side between pumping only and extender only for growth, pumping has up to 5% length growth influences, where as extender can push the limit to 10% girth growth influences. This has been recorded in growth data going back as far as 1980s.

 

[kriskros]

There's a little truth to that, but a hell load of lies mixed in. This is the major case for manufacturers and sellers that want to push the products. I'll explain.

We've discussed in many extended details on why girth routines help with length, and length routines help with girth. But if you take an average data across the board for all devices, pumping for girth only helps to gain 10% of the length, and extenders use for length only helps to increase 10% of the girth. 10% is being very liberal on giving the devices the most optimal gains they can every hope to attain. Most gains are around 5% at best.

If that don't make sense, this will.

When you perform girth routines, especially in the pump, you are causing a pull on the tunica for length. You're engaging a tunica fiber weakening. Most people who only pump, nothing more but just pump (no SSJ, no prewarming stretches, nothing), do not see the length gain. The only reason why they gain some kind of length is because they are in a period of hyper growth. They have not stop growing, or they are in their period of high reproductive escapades. In other words, they're horny and they want to spread their semen. During this period, the body releases high level of human growth hormone and collagen to improve their reproductive chances. Their penises are easily influenced by abnormal changes. So, a little tug and pull on their penis may just be enough to trigger their body to release as much resources as possible to make their penises grow. When that happens, the companies want to use this phenomenon to say, "Our products will make your penis larger and longer!!" That only happens to those who are actually in the period of growth still. That means their age group is still young. Good luck in finding the same conditions apply to older age group.

The same is true for the length products, such as the extender. There's actually more truth to the extender than the pump. Why is that? When the extender is used to stretch the tunica, the tunica caused the surrounding tissues to also hyper extend and enlarged. Take a water hose for example. If you pump the hose up with higher pressure than the hose can handle, you only get lateral expansion. It gets larger before the hose bursts. BUT, if you stretch it slowly like an extender, The hose wall breaks down little by little and it stretches longer and longer. When your penis engages in erection from morning woods or through sexual excitement, like a stretched hose with thinner walls, the pressure influences an expansion more readily. In term the hose, the hose can both expand easier and doesn't explode like when the wall is more rigid. So, you have a longer hose and a larger expanding hose. Same for the penis. When the penis is extended in length, the surround tissues are also stretched to their limits. This allows any extra blood pressure to expand the cavernosa more readily, creating a "large" penis as well as a "longer" penis.

So, to compare side-by-side between pumping only and extender only for growth, pumping has up to 5% length growth influences, where as extender can push the limit to 10% girth growth influences. This has been recorded in growth data going back as far as 1980s.

I have heard some info about an expensive pump called dp4000 by ctc. Do you know it ?

 

[oldandlively]

I have heard some info about an expensive pump called dp4000 by ctc. Do you know it ?

Not that model specifically, but plenty of "set it and forget it" machines. There are so many made and models out there, but they all do the same things:

• Set your low pressure
• Set your high pressure
• Set your time limit
• Provide an emergency cut-off
• Accurate pressure monitoring with +/- 2% errror. Anything more than this, your penis is on the line at high pressure. Why? At 5% error rate, that sudden increase of -0.5inHg can break your penis.
• Pump motor is strong and at least 7 times the pressure you need. If your max pressure is -10inHg, you need the motor to be sucking with the pressure of -70inHg. Otherwise, the pressure load will burn the motor out.
• Fast burst pump in 3 seconds. If the motor is not strong enough to get your high pressure in 3 seconds, it not worth the cost.

If these options don't exist, don't bother paying.

This is why every time I see a tiny little pump with auto pressure sensor and pump, I simply slap my forehead and ask, "Okay what's the specs?"