My thoughts to all of you out of LOVE

[MAXAMEYES]

I like what Edgar Cayce reported,

"When you pray you talk to God, when you meditate God talks to you."

 

[Shooting for 7"]

I like what Edgar Cayce reported,

"When you pray you talk to God, when you meditate God talks to you."

Maxameyes,

I love that - thanks for sharing !

I did a long meditation session this afternoon because I didn't meditate in the morning. I find that if I don't meditate, my day does NOT go as smoothly (that's for sure).

 

[MrFreak]

There's really no point of even having this discussion you can't really convert no one u gotta realize we are in the end times there's so many false religions goin on and people are stubborn and they are gonna believe what they wanna believe in until they see when jesus come back. Then its gonna b so funny how many people gonna switch sides then... but all religions kinda follow the same format. Creator savior and evil character. There is good in all religions that we all can take from but the devil has infiltrated all of them to even christianity which I believe in. Max I unserstand wher u come from when u say that the bible is incomplete. Yes it is the king james version is and also we gotta realize that the english language is limited and based off of different languages. So with the king james version we are not getting the full meaning of the book. We have to actually read the hebrew and greek original texts. Also in the kjv there are books missing that are in the apgraphy. But in the end we are gonna find out what's real and wats not. But in the times were livin in its startin to look liike christianity is giving an accurate prediction of everythings that's goin on in these in times... God says you will know the truth and my voice when you hear it. If u hear somethin and somethin on the inside starts botherin u that means that god is tuggin at your spirit so pay close attention. He will b back soon this world can't run lik this forever and the devils time is running short. I'm not telling u what ta believe I'm jst saying b ready

 

[MrFreak]

I understand. My points were earlier in the thread when the thread creator pulled me up about praying to saints as not allowed which to me is offensive but its his choice and view, I have to respect it but on the same token he needs to respect other folks views and differences.

Praying to any other person besides God is a sin... even jesus said not to pray to anyone not even him but only the father... but again not tellin u wat to do jst wat I kno

 

[REDZULU2003]

According to some branches of religion yes but in reality its not a sin. Praying to the Virgin Mary is NOT a sin. Praying to the saints and archangels isn't a sin to me either but again some branches of Christianity and other religions see this as a sin. I respect that but for me Jesus and God do not condemn anyone for that. The saints are actually working through jesus and god for the person who is praying to them which is forgotten about such as St Jude the saint of lost causes who will pray to the high lord on your behalf.

I know this new age stuff is very caught up inside the universal laws and the energy around us I know all that but it helps to have a 'go between' and that is said with no disrespect. The lord Jesus Christ is such a mediator for humankind, a link to god (Universal powers) all this we perceive as religion and new age theology is really ONE tied in. My core beliefs though obviously are Christianity Church Of England but I'm not a die-hard who takes every word for word but more modernised for today's world, albeit aware of the evils around me while also incorporating my own beliefs into my meditations and prayers to Jesus and God.

That sums it up really ... Religion can be as personal or as impersonal as you make it.

 

[Crazy Doc]

I totally understand and respect your points (I am a total convert of Meditation and would suggest the entire planet did this).

However, it dawned on me that perhaps praying, is a form of meditation.

I meditate twice a day, morning and evening (30 minutes each time) and would be interested in your take on what I'm claiming here.

Meditation usually has to do with the self, not a higher power outside the self. However, there is prayer with meditation in some cases-but it's not like western prayer. I would describe western prayer as begging on some guy. "please make her suck my dick" and so forth. Prayer of an internal nature is more like affirmation. But it is more like you are focusing your energy on achieving a goal and trying to awaken the wisdom within yourself to achieve it. I've been meditating a long time and it's hard to describe, for example "Buddhist Prayer" to a Westerner who knows little of "Internal Faiths" or "Atheist Faiths" is hard to understand. Theism is a focus on something outside yourself, even when you claim it's part of you-as you also have to admit you cannot control your god, whomever he/she/it may be. Meditation focuses on the power of the self, of the mind specifically. So it's "internal vs. external" and really not the same thing at all.

Hope that helps a little Shooter.

 

[MAXAMEYES]

And yet, Jesus said, "I and the Father are one."
Hmmmm.....

Praying to any other person besides God is a sin... even jesus said not to pray to anyone not even him but only the father... but again not tellin u wat to do jst wat I kno

 

[MrFreak]

.

According to some branches of religion yes but in reality its not a sin. Praying to the Virgin Mary is NOT a sin. Praying to the saints and archangels isn't a sin to me either but again some branches of Christianity and other religions see this as a sin. I respect that but for me Jesus and God do not condemn anyone for that. The saints are actually working through jesus and god for the person who is praying to them whih is forgotten about such as St Jude the saint of lost causes who will pray to the high lord on your behalf.

I know this new age stuff is very caught up inside the universal laws and the energy around us I know all that but it helps to have a 'go between' and that is said with no disrespect. The lord Jesus Christ is such a mediator for humankind, a link to god (Universal powers) all this we perceive as religion and new age theology is really ONE tied in. My core beliefs though obviously are Christianity Church Of England but I'm not a die-hard who takes every word for word but more modernised for today's world, albeit aware of the evils around me while also incorporating my own beliefs into my meditations and prayers to Jesus and God.

That sums it up really ... Religion can be as personal or as impersonal as you make it.

God said himself he is a jealous god how do think he feels about u praying to other people besides him....

And max he when he said that he doesn't meant they are the same he means they are one in spirit there is a power structure in the trinity father=God son=jesus and the holy spirit.... but at the end of the day this is my beliefe and its going to differ from everyone who doesn't believe the same. That's why religious arguments never get anywher and I tend to stay from them

 

[REDZULU2003]

I know what your saying but prayers via Saints are going to god anyhow through them. Its meant to be more powerful sometimes going through a saint to reach god than directly to god and certain names of god cannot ever be said unless in dire straits. To me its not a sin to pray to a saint such as the Virgin Mary who is the mother and certainly not a sin asking for the intercession from Saint Michael which all Catholics prayed to at church on mass for his protection, which has now been ommited from the mass for whatever reasons.

I respect your views though and dont think I'm right on everything. We are all decent humans and try our best to help the fellow man which is the MAIN THING I think, no matter what religion you are. We can all come here on these forums in this section no matter what religion or creed incl Satanists because we are tolerant and will listen. Doesn't mean we are being radicalised and altered but respect is something not often practised in this modern world and my word is best always seems to be the case, well here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] we say fuck that.

 

[MAXAMEYES]

That always cracked me up...didn't God create EVERYTHING? What has "he" got to be jealous of?
I've never once been threatened enough by the existence of my boogers to be jealous of even one of 'em.
In the enormity of the universe all of humanity amounts to far, far less than a booger.
And...
God is now a people?!?

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God said himself he is a jealous god how do think he feels about u praying to other people besides him....

 

[DLD]

That always cracked me up...didn't God create EVERYTHING? What has "he" got to be jealous of?

I am sorry Max, I do get jealous occasionally

 

[MAXAMEYES]

Even boogers !?!

(weep, sob, wail, gnash o' teeth, rend o' garment!)

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

I am sorry Max, I do get jealous occasionally

 

[DLD]

:d

 

[Crazy Doc]

And yet, Jesus said, "I and the Father are one."
Hmmmm.....

I would again point out Max-that this issue (how many gods) is still a heated debate. In the Council of Nicea in 345 CE (or AD if youre into jesus) I think, I don't know, sometime in the mid 4th century... that is exactly what they were debating: "How many gods do we have??" The main guy claiming they were different gods was named Arius I think, they outvoted him and decided at that time that Jesus and God were the same guy.

However, many christians to this day consider them separate entities. Mormons for example believe in "Heavenly Father" which is mostly akin to Jehovah/Yahweh, and they believe in Jesus Christ, his son, as was Lucifer the son of god, and the brother of Jesus--but let's not get into that and its racism implications. Back to the point-the reason it was debated is because different clauses in the bible indicate different things. Jesus also said "Father! Why have you forsaken me?" So from that perspective for example, either there ARE 2 gods, father and son, or Jesus talks to himself.... either way it's one of the most fun issues to discuss from the bible IMO.

 

[Crazy Doc]

That always cracked me up...didn't God create EVERYTHING? What has "he" got to be jealous of?
I've never once been threatened enough by the existence of my boogers to be jealous of even one of 'em.
In the enormity of the universe all of humanity amounts to far, far less than a booger.
And...
God is now a people?!?

God was always "man-like" it is only in recent history-due to science presenting problems to theology that the western god has become a non-physical entity. He's taken other forms as well, like the burning bush for example ya? But let's not forget the comment that "man was created in His image"... which means *drum roll* GOD HAS A Penis EnlargementNIS... my question is why? What does he need a penis for, there's no Ms. God. (ah but there used to be other gods and goddesses which have been stricken out of the doctrines, but they never solved the remaining problems like 2 creations, or manlike god, etc.) Back to the point-you have to know the history of christianity to understand the implications in the bible today.

For example, in the Book of Revelation, it mentions how stars will fall to the Earth. Now this is not possible and can only be explained via the ignorance of the day-they did not realize those stars were the same thing as the Sun, just far away-and absolutely HUGE. They thought meteorites were "falling stars" as they look the same in size and brilliance. That is where the term "falling star" comes from-it IS what people believed at one point. (Just like even today we say "sunrise" and "sunset" even though this too is outdated-the sun does NOT rise, NOR set, but when we thought the Earth was the center of the Universe, around which everything else revolved, those terms were literal. So back to the stars-christians also used to believe that stars in the sky, were holes poked in the curtain of night, shining the light of heaven through! They did used to think their god was a human form entity that lived above us, above the clouds in
"heaven above" and they did (like many other cultures) think that hell was beneath the surface of the Earth, perhaps at the core...

Instead of scrapping the book when proven wrong-the modus operandi is to reinvent what it means-but historically there is no question things like this were written Literally and believed as such.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Ancient Chinese thought total solar eclipse was a dragon swallowing the sun, so I understand the literal takings of past events on our own knowledge to date. Very interesting thread and pleased more people are involved in this section.

 

[Crazy Doc]

Ancient Chinese thought total solar eclipse was a dragon swallowing the sun, so I understand the literal takings of past events on our own knowledge to date. Very interesting thread and pleased more people are involved in this section.

Yes, the Chinese were very superstitious about the sky, eclipses, comets, meteor showers.... really freaked them out. If a ruler was doing poorly (famine, pestilence, whatever) the Confucian Scholars would simply start watching the skies.... find some "event" to point to and claim that he (the emperor) no longer was the "Son of Heaven", ie he no longer had Heaven's decree to rule. And he would be thrown out-this is how the dynasties changed. Confucianism ruled Chinese society for thousands of years, all the way until 1911 when the nationalists took over. And then in 1949, it went communist under Mao ZeDong. There is not much Confucianism left in their culture now... just 100 years later. Mao really stamped out all the old ways.

But I do find Chinese history fascinating. The Chinese could have ruled the Earth for a very long time, they were by far the most advanced for about 2,000 years! They led one voyage all the way to the middle east, led by Eunuchs and found nothing of real interest... they returned and there they stayed until the British forced them open about 100 years ago (open as in to trading). The Great Wall is testimony to the fact that the Chinese had zero interest in outsiders, they thought everyone else was a barbarian and simply wanted to be left alone-finding the rest of the world unworthy to deal with or socialize with. This is true, even though outsiders (Mongolians and Manchurians) ruled China for centuries at times. But it should be noted that these outsiders conformed to the strong culture of China-they really didn't change much as to rule, they had to rule the way the Chinese populace expected or the Confucian Scholars would again throw them out. Anyway, I'll quit babbling now-but Chinese history is very interesting.

 

[REDZULU2003]

It sure is interesting.

 

[BANANAxBOY]

B-boy, this is not a debate. I', m not going to try to open your mind, I got better things to do with my life. I could sit here, copy and paste for years, all to no discernable conclusion.

I'll just leave you with one of the, literally hundreds, of blatantly contradictory Bible passages that convinced me, without a shred of doubt, that the Bible as we know it is a flawed and incomplete document.
And all of your apologistic gymnastics will never, ever convince me otherwise.

Also; having never met any one of my great grandfathers, I sure as hell ain't suffering for their actions.


Isaiah 14:21 Prepare for his sons a place of slaughter
Because of the iniquity of their fathers.
They must not arise and take possession of the earth
And fill the face of the world with cities.

Exodus 20:5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Yet directly contradicted here:

Deut. 24:16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezek.18:20 "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punisHydromaxent for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punisHydromaxent for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

They would be contradictory if they were in the same book talking about the same people. Like all these old testament books, there were different rules for different people and different consiquences for different people. Therfore they are not contridictory.

BxB

 

[BANANAxBOY]

Hey Max,I was addressing BANANAxBOY because he started the thread but anyone can comment. My questions are in my post in the first paragraph ( sentences that end with a question mark )

And BANANAxBOY , my first post there may have been a little aggressive,didn't really mean to be like that.I like topics like this so I get a little worked up .
And if you're honest about your feelings of love it would be better to thank you than to bash you regardless what is the driving force behind it...

Cheers...

My driving force stands at the title of the thread. I actually agree with you on a lot of your opinions. I don't believe that anyone on this earth has the power to forgive other than The Lord Jesus. I only believe what is biblical and the Bible does not speak of those things.

I have been learning recently that it is more scientific to believe in a creator than it is to believe in an evolution theory although most of the world still believes the other way around, but although i believe there is more proof of a creator than evolution it does not prove God. This is something i thought maybe i could do to help others..... maybe for some it could work, for others maybe not. I will tell you that i believe in God becuase He continually communicates things to me. God says in the bible to trust him with everything we are, that is HUGE!! I attempt to do it regularly and He always looks after me. I fully trust him with my money, in fact just recently i maxed my credit card and had like 30 bucks in my pocket and had no way to pay my bills but, He provided work for me just in the nick of time and i am pulling through now. I also find that when i sincerely tell God "You are Holy" he gives me these feelings of comfort. If i don't worship Him, i never get these feelings. There are many things throughout my life that that just continue to link to God but it took balls to just go for it and commit my life to Him. I think in most cases He will not personally reveal himself to you until you commit.

Love,
BxB

 

[REDZULU2003]

I respect what you say and appreciate your good morals.

 

[DLD]

My beliefs, I fear, would make most think I suffer from the grandest sense of grandiosity but if my beliefs are true there is no "most", there is only me, so it does not matter what others think as they do not exist. I know existence, you, us, them, this all happened when I opened my eyes and how glorious it is. The stories, the books, the technology, the religions, the universe it is me! YES! It happened when I open my eyes and this perpetual momentum of the illusion of life is wonderful and infinite. For the moment I opened my eyes was also an illusion, for I am timeless, I am without mass, I am without space, I am an eternal energy that is GOD.

Every being needs to realize the above.

 

[Crazy Doc]

They would be contradictory if they were in the same book talking about the same people. Like all these old testament books, there were different rules for different people and different consiquences for different people. Therfore they are not contridictory.

BxB

It's page to page, it's not old vs. new testament. The new testament contradicts the old testament and it contradicts itself left and right-that is why one really cannot define what christianity is-its anything you want it to be, just turn the page.

 

[Crazy Doc]

I fully trust [god] with my money,

Priceless.

 

[Crazy Doc]

My beliefs, I fear, would make most think I suffer from the grandest sense of grandiosity but if my beliefs are true there is no "most", there is only me, so it does not matter what others think as they do not exist. I know existence, you, us, them, this all happened when I opened my eyes and how glorious it is. The stories, the books, the technology, the religions, the universe it is me! YES! It happened when I open my eyes and this perpetual momentum of the illusion of life is wonderful and infinite. For the moment I opened my eyes was also an illusion, for I am timeless, I am without mass, I am without space, I am an eternal energy that is GOD.

Every being needs to realize the above.

Hydromaxm, maybe we do share some beliefs DLD, but I gotta throw the bullshit flag on the line about no mass, your cock alone has gotta be 20kg

 

[MAXAMEYES]

I just can't let this pass:
Those comments are from one source (God) speaking to one group (Ihis children), they are completely contradictory and in every case diametrically opposed. To attempt otherwise you yourself reduce God to the level of a capricious child throwing a tantrum.

These are quotes "directly" from God himself and they do not contain qualifications nor do they entertain mitigating factors whatsoever. The passages cited do not address clan, tribe, language, religion, country of origin or any other factor of specificity; they do, however, address:
"Fathers" (every father),
"Sons" (every son),
"The Righteous",
"The Wicked",
"Everyone".
I repeat "EVERYONE".

If the meaning, rules and consequences issued from God are subject to change of this magnitude without any prior warning then we are all screwed.
Because it's rather hard to uphold a standard you do not and can not possibly know exists.


Or:
Human beings have had a far greater hand in shaping the Bible as it stands, than you'd like to admit.

They would be contradictory if they were in the same book talking about the same people. Like all these old testament books, there were different rules for different people and different consiquences for different people. Therfore they are not contridictory.

 

[Crazy Doc]

I just can't let this pass:
Those comments are from one source (God) speaking to one group (Ihis children), they are contradictory and in most cases diametrically opposed. To attempt otherwise you yourself reduce God to the level of a capricious child throwing a tantrum.

If the meaning, rules and consequences issued from God are subject to change of this magnitude without any prior warning then we are all screwed.
Because it's rather hard to uphold a standard you do not and can not possibly know exists.

And back to the issue of contradictions vs no contradictions, let me give you a prime example Banana: In the 4 gospels that were allowed to remain in the bible... these guys cannot even agree when Jesus was born, they differ by a number of years.... Now either god is schizophrenic or got hit in the head 3 times or.... at least THREE of the gospels are NOT the "inspired word of God"... only one date and description can be right. That is but ONE example on a pretty important matter I'd say.

 

[DLD]

Remember guys, I am a registered preacher.

 

[Turnover]

We probably all end up believing some form of relationship with God as of our parents believed. Of course your parents could be Christian and you could be Athiest, my point is we probably do not end up branching off to far from the direction our parents raised us. So even if you are Athiest you would still have morals and values close of your own personal beliefs to what a Christian family grew up with if that was in your household. And I'm not saying this is the case for 100% of people I think probably for the majority of people we end up going the way our parents taught us. Not that you would not become of a different religion later in your own life because I know I am nothing like what my parents are, but I do have those core values they taught me from going to church for years and it seaps into what I think about God today even though our belief in God is very different we have very similar beliefs of what is right and wrong.

 

[BANANAxBOY]

What guys claim what dates? Can you point this out to me in the bible please, i am very interested?

BxB

 

[BANANAxBOY]

Remember guys, I am a registered preacher.

Are you actually DLD?

BxB