Jesus Loves You and Me!

[youknowme123321]

LOL!!! You uh, do know that an "opinion" is something someone believes to be true, yes? LOL. Here is from dictionary.com, definition of opinion:

"a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. "



Are you seriously going to try to tell me that had I started a separate thread, a Christian wouldn't have posted something, "you really should reconsider, Jesus loves you and wants you to spend eternigy with him!" Something like that? Really?

Discussion forums are where people express opinions, both agreeing with and disagreeing with the OP. Pick a thread on, say, gun control. Do you think that there should be a thread where only pro gun control posts exists, and a separate thread where only anti-gun control exists? Or would you expect to see a thread where both sides are argued in the same thread.

you believe what you are saying with complete certainty making it not an opinion. at least that is the way it comes off. if you don't mean it to come off that way then I misunderstood. that is why I said none of what you posted was your opinion. get that? YES? LOL. I appreciate you providing the definition to back up my point.

what do you mean seriously? of course i was serious that is why i said it. a lot of us dont share DLD's beliefs (like me) but no one ever jumped on that thread until you. you are the pushy atheist. no one said forums aren't a place for discussion. yes if a person starts a thread like DLD that is just expressing his happiness found within his religion and did not express any attempt to debate if his religion is true or not it should be left alone like it had been. same things goes for guns. there are threads out there for guns and other topics that are started just for the purpose of discussing pro whatever the topic is. then there are also thread about those same topics meant solely for debate. but when pushy about whatever they support type of people see a thread and they disagree with the topic they feel the need to debate even though that wasn't the purpose of the topic.

i am only showing you how you are a pushy atheist. i am not pro christian or pro atheist in this thread. just don't care for pushy people and try to get them to see what they are doing is unnecessary. There are a lot of threads you can easily find throughout the internet that are meant for the debate you have enjoyed having with thousands of people. below are 2 places dedicated to what you like to do. stop bring your pushiness to threads that were started on happiness.

https://www.facebook.com/christiansversusatheists
Discuss and debate religion

 

[DLD]

LOL. I already conceded it was more Paul than Jesus. But Jesus did recommend celibacy, which you keep running from. I'm sick and tired of you dodging this point.

You act as if I'm the only person in the universe to think that Christianity is opposed to sexual pleasure. You do know that has been preached by many churches for centuries, right?

Where did Jesus preach celibacy? This is the point and the very point you are avoiding. You are really digging yourself in a hole here and you are coming across dishonest and manipulative but then again, you don't believe in sin. I will pray for you my friend.

 

[youknowme123321]

LOL. I already conceded it was more Paul than Jesus. But Jesus did recommend celibacy, which you keep running from. I'm sick and tired of you dodging this point.

You act as if I'm the only person in the universe to think that Christianity is opposed to sexual pleasure. You do know that has been preached by many churches for centuries, right?

now you are talking about jesus preaching celibacy as being your point. we all thought it was your point that jesus said sex was a sin. then you admitted you mispoke and it was paul who said sex was a sin or basically bad. now you are saying that your point was jesus preached celibacy? this is the first i am reading of this being your point. why is you point changing?

Where did Jesus preach celibacy? This is the point and the very point you are avoiding. You are really digging yourself in a hole here and you are coming across dishonest and manipulative but then again, you don't believe in sin. I will pray for you my friend.

this is an interesting read explaining about people mistaking Jesus' remarriage ban as him preaching celibacy. i knew nothing about this before. he seemed to have only preached against a man leaving his wife and then remarrying and having sex with the new wife. he called that adultery. unless he left his wife b/c she was unfaithful.

For a Lady Pope :: Did Jesus preach celibacy?

 

[DLD]

now you are talking about jesus preaching celibacy as being your point. we all thought it was your point that jesus said sex was a sin. then you admitted you mispoke and it was paul who said sex was a sin or basically bad. now you are saying that your point was jesus preached celibacy? this is the first i am reading of this being your point. why is you point changing?

People change their point when they can no longer support the original point. atheist4sex lost the original argument and now is back pedaling but he needs to remember that forums hold all original words.

Jesus would never see sex as a bad thing, sex is the most beautiful thing the Lord has given us. The ability to create life and to connect with someone we love as one. Why would God look down on sexuality if he created it?

 

[youknowme123321]

People change their point when they can no longer support the original point. atheist4sex lost the original argument and now is back pedaling but he needs to remember that forums hold all original words.

Jesus would never see sex as a bad thing, sex is the most beautiful thing the Lord has given us. The ability to create life and to connect with someone we love as one. Why would God look down on sexuality if he created it?

would you agree jesus saw sex as bad with a 2nd wife if you divorced your wife for a reason other then her unfaithfulness? that is what i took from the article i linked

For a Lady Pope :: Did Jesus preach celibacy?

 

[DLD]

would you agree jesus saw sex as bad with a 2nd wife if you divorced your wife for a reason other then her unfaithfulness? that is what i took from the article i linked

For a Lady Pope :: Did Jesus preach celibacy?

I agree that adultery is a sin and sex should be saved for marriage. Once you are married it should be for life unless the woman has been unfaithful or dies. But, it is important to understand that we all sin and no human is perfect. It is not an end all to have sex outside of marriage, Jesus knows we sin and this is why he died for us, so we can go to him with all of our sinfulness and be forgiven. To understand what sexual sins are we need to go to the old testament, here sex is clearly laid out with what is right and wrong. We can also look to the saints for guidance on these issues. Sinfulness is a way to become closer to God. Saint Paul, who is prominent in this thread, committed terrible wrongs before he found Christ, in my opinion it makes him a even better Saint as he can speak on these topics with experience.

 

[youknowme123321]

had forgot about this thread. I am guessing he realized he is that pushy atheist who brings his debates everywhere he goes even if debate wasn't the purpose of the thread. it is bummer though only b/c i was looking forward to this guy changing his point more.

DLD - do you still get into church when you are in a depressed state like you have been?

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

whats the purpose of atheism,what are the benefits?

 

[Zambrodom3]

whats the purpose of atheism,what are the benefits?

It is unknown... Both atheists and believers ask the same question- "What is the purpose of this?". There are both PROS and CONS in both atheism and religion, considering religion nowadays is pretty messed up and I think it is nothing like what religion is actually about... Nowadays religion is hte reason for wars, fights and destruction, which is the exactly opposite of what our LORD preaches. We all have our own beliefs and categorize them as "RIGHT" and anything different than our beliefs is categorized "WRONG". trying to convince someone on something is like trying to convince yourself- you both believe you are right and want to prove the other side "WRONG". I think it is useless to have any debate of such matter.

 

[partytime5423]

whats the purpose of atheism,what are the benefits?

what is the purpose of religion, what are the benefits?

they are both questions with endless answers that people will argue for hours about and get nowhere

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

yep i guess so christians are right catholics are right,budhists are right,atheist are right,even people that is into satanism they may think they are right...

 

[DLD]

had forgot about this thread. I am guessing he realized he is that pushy atheist who brings his debates everywhere he goes even if debate wasn't the purpose of the thread. it is bummer though only b/c i was looking forward to this guy changing his point more.

DLD - do you still get into church when you are in a depressed state like you have been?

He lost the battle that is why he left, he realized there was not one place where Christ stated sex is a sin.


I am at Mass everyday from 5:00 to 6:30

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Jesus i want to gain two inches..

 

[DLD]

Jesus i want to gain two inches..

Ask and it shall be granted!

 

[atheist4sex]

whats the purpose of atheism,what are the benefits?

What is the purpose and benefits of a-astrology? What is the purpose and benefits of a-UFOism? a-BigFootism? It doesn't have a purpose or benefit per se. It is simply the rejection of theistic claims. People say that there is a God. I say I'm not convinced by the evidence and/or arguments given. Just like some say Big Foot exists. I say I'm not convinced by the evidence and/or arguments presented. That is, in and of itself, all that atheism is. And some atheists, people that reject God claims, do accept other things that I also would classify as "woo-woo". So, just being an atheist doesn't necessarily mean that you are completely free of mythical thinking. But, in-directly, we see lots of benefits to non theistic based thinking. There have of course been good scientists, engineers, etc. who were Christian. But, they used science and engineering methods. Whenever there has be a theistic explanation for a phenomena and a secular/scientific explanation for the phenomena, there has been a 100% failure rate of the theistic explanation. 100% failure rate. Again, a theist can do good science. But, only when he DOES science. Not when he tries to divine science from reading the tea leaves of his favored holy book. The later method has proven a 100% failure rate.

So, that's pretty much it. All atheism is, is simply a rejection of of theistic claims. But, in the broader sense, all advancement in human society has come by opposing religion. Religion supported slavery. Yeah, some religionists were abolitionists. But they were abolitionists IN SPITE of their holy book, not because of it. We see today a repeat of that, with gay rights. Some religionists support gay rights. But, it is against the tide of the vast majority of the religionists. Religion holds back society. Secularism promotes it.

What more could you ask for????

 

[atheist4sex]

He lost the battle that is why he left, he realized there was not one place where Christ stated sex is a sin.

No, I left due to the blantant dishonesty you display. I conceded, okay, I slightly exaggerated. And you used that to avoid actually dealing with the rest of my points. That is called dishonestly. I was honest in that I conceded an exaggeration of my point. See, that is a primary difference between the theistic mentality and the atheistic mentality. Theistic mentality is dishonest to its very core. I did demonstrate that Paul spoke against sex. Did you deal with that? No. I pointed out that at least according to most Christian denominations, the epistles are given equal weight as the Gospels. Thus it is a CHRISTIAN teaching (as in, a part of the Christian religion) that sex is bad. And I pointed out that Jesus did at least recommend celibasy, though he didn't say everybody had to. But, the fact that he recommended it means, to any reasonable person, that going without sex must be better than not going without sex or Jesus wouldn't recommend going without sex.

So, I concede a point, woo hoo for you. Do you deal with it honestly with the fact that I did demonstrate that sex being bad is a CHRISTIAN teaching (a part of the Christian religion) and deal with the rest of the points? No, of course not. That's not what theists do. They just can't deal with anything honestly. It is frustrating and that's why I left. If you can't have a conversation where there is honesty on the other side, it makes for a frustrating waste of time.

But, I suppose it doesn't really make a poops worth of difference what Jesus or Paul is alleged to have said in the Bible, if its all myth anyway. Which of course it obviously is. So, why would anybody believe that Christianity is true? Yeah, yeah, I know that supposed archeological arguments (garbage) The manuscript arguments (garbage) The martyrdom arguments (garbage). The fulfilled prophecy arguments (garbage). So, why would anybody actually believe that Christianity is actually true?

 

[atheist4sex]

Jesus i want to gain two inches..

That's a testable hypothesis. Like Jesus says Matt 18:19-20: "Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

So, get two or three Christians together and end world hunger, cure cancer, AIDS. End all wars. Peace on Earth. Goodwill towards men. Its a testable hypothesis. Demonstrate the truth of your religion and, as Picard would say, "make it so".

 

[givemegirth]

Prayers are always answered. The Father always hears them and answers them. They may not be what you want to hear, but His ways are greater than ours. In addition, this verse is not referring to instant gratification. Bob and Sue pray for a new car and they don't get one.. boo hoo. We are to continually be praying about the things that we are passionate for and in due time (perhaps not our lifetime) the Father will see these happen. You seem to not understand that time is not a factor in heaven. About every 1000 years here is but 1 second there. In addition if you truly do not have faith that God will do what you ask, it will not be done. He is not a magical genie at your disposal. Everyone has a right to believe what they believe, however in the end there is only one truth. By then it is too late. So when you come face to face with the creator, explain your views to him and let me know how it works out for you.

 

[givemegirth]

Also keep in mind all of us were Atheist before we accepted Christ. Not all of us a chosen, so not all of us will believe. You see I know Christianity is true, not only for the scriptures but for the simple fact of the new person I am today. I do not need to preach the Gospel, but you simply cannot disprove the work of the Holy Spirit in my life. I have peace beyond measure. It is funny how only the Atheists get pissed off. We know the truth and I do not have to prove anything to you. Once you have heard the truth and the Gospel message, your choice is your choice. I do not force it on anyone as I am not responsible for your decisions or your life. I am responsible to speak truth and that is it.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

That's a testable hypothesis. Like Jesus says Matt 18:19-20: "Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

So, get two or three Christians together and end world hunger, cure cancer, AIDS. End all wars. Peace on Earth. Goodwill towards men. Its a testable hypothesis. Demonstrate the truth of your religion and, as Picard would say, "make it so".

I dont think that christians either atheist buddist or any other stuff can cure the diseases written above, as you stated before evry religion,ideology has their pros and cons,Seems that christian is right and the other people is wrong,most of the injustices,poverty,diseases,wars,corruption,death,famine,pollution etc etc are the result of men actions.no matter if they are christians,atheist,satanist,masons etc..maybe im wrong but just a a tought and no i dont believe GOD is going to give me 2 inches in gain just by praying, a good PE routine is the key...peace

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Thats a terrible punishment being thrown into a lke of fire,because men didnt accept God as his saviour..

 

[DLD]

Thats a terrible punishment being thrown into a lke of fire,because men didnt accept God as his saviour..

True my Brother True!

 

[BANANAxBOY]

I know I deserve that lake of fire considering how badly I've violated my Maker. Praise God for sending Jesus 2000 years ago, that those who repent and put their trust in Him will be seen as innocent in the eyes of a holy and just God when we die.

BxB

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

True my Brother True!

 

[atheist4sex]

"Prayers are always answered." Yeah, sure, the answers are yes, no, maybe later, maybe not. How is that indistinguishable from not answering them at all. How is indistinguishable from saying that my left nut answers every request you give of it, its just does so very quietly?

"In addition, this verse is not referring to instant gratification." Don't add words that aren't there. Jesus himself said not to do that, remember? The words that are there are that if two or three are gathered in my name, he will do it. That's what it says. You just add words to it because you know that as written it fails. "In addition if you truly do not have faith that God will do what you ask, it will not be done." But you have faith, right? And I'm not asking you to pray for something selfish. I'm asking you and a few of your buddies to pray for end of war, hunger, famine. Are there no 2 or 3 Christians in the world?

"By then it is too late. " Why? I thought he loved everybody. If someone makes an error in judgment, the loving thing to do would be to educate the person, not punish them for eternity.

Honestly, if you Christians were ACTUALLY moral, and ACTUALLY believed what your holy book says, the honorable thing for you would be to say to God that he is evil and you would rather spend eternity in hell then with an evil entity. Of course the entity is actually a myth. But, if it was actually real, it would be evil and anybody who was actually moral would reject such an entity.

"So when you come face to face with the creator, explain your views to him" If, in the extremely unlikely case, that day comes, I will. I will ask what exactly is the crime in not believing the fundamentally unbelievable? What is the crime in that? If that is the "greatest crime" to your deity, your deity is utterly insane. You would say the exact same thing if you came face to face with, say, Allah. You would say you didn't believe because it was fundamentally unbelievable. And if Allah punished you for all eternity for that, you would find such an entity an evil entity.

 

[atheist4sex]

"I know I deserve that lake of fire considering how badly I've violated my Maker." What an absurd statement! How could a mere mortal hurt a perfect Omnipotent deity? The idea is preposterous. And, for sake of argument, that you did somehow offend or harm this entity, you are only imperfect because you were made imperfect. How could that be your fault and warrant eternal punishment? That would be like me making a broken vase and then blaming the vase for being imperfect. You know in the OT, God says the handicapped are not worthy to go into the temple. So, God makes people broken and then judges them unworthy? Your deity, if it existed, is insane.

 

[atheist4sex]

Okay, so, I guess nobody is man enough to actually respond to points, and now just resort to "oh, you'll be sorry when you are burning!" scare tactics. Which is exactly what I find so offensive about religion. When you can't win with logic and reason, you resort to fear tactics. And, if you are in the power to do so, you resort to violence. The exact reason why I hate religion and why I fight it is on clear display here. But, since nobody here is man enough to actually discuss points, I guess there is no point in further participation in this thread.

 

[givemegirth]

First off any of us coming and saying that we understand God 100% with logic, would be making their god in their image. Once you accept that God is someone you will never fully understand, you can accept the fact that he is God. My best friend was an atheist for many many years. Pretty much doing the same thing you are. Seeking out battles to destroy faith and the like. Then one day he got it. He is a great Christian role model, a great mentor, father and decon in our church. I pray for you that God will call you to see this too. You will look back and think to yourself how nonsensical these debates were. You either accept it as true or you do not. I simply present to you that God sent his only son, to do what we could not do for ourselves. He gave his pure, sinless life so that we could be with him. He was crucified, dead and buried. He rose again on the 3rd day and ascended to the Father after spending 40 days on earth. His blood and sacrifice was a free gift to who ever believes, that you shall have eternal life is you accept what he did as true.

It basically comes down to the whole idea of
If you are right and I am wrong - nothing happens to me.
If I am right and you are wrong - that's a whole different story.
All in all I have absolutely nothing to lose, either way.

You see if we could plead our case before the Creator, and get in with explanation, then Jesus would have never had to come and do what he did. My job was to simply present the Gospel message (no need to defend it), and the choice is yours. Believe what you want, that is fine. I again am not responsible for your life. As scripture tells us present the Gospel and if you do not have ears to hear, brush the dust off of my feet and move on. May God bless you and call on you.

 

[DLD]

You know what atheist4sex, your banned because I just don't like you...find another forum to troll.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Trying to understand GOD is like trying to understand the mysteries of the universe....I may have a lot of questions for God but being honest most of those questions will remain unanswered or partially answered...Evenso for some reason at least in my case i still believe...His teachings and lessons are full of wisdom, We sin everyday...

 

[DLD]

Trying to understand GOD is like trying to understand the mysteries of the universe....I may have a lot of questions for God but being honest most of those questions will remain unanswered or partially answered...Evenso for some reason at least in my case i still believe...His teachings and lessons are full of wisdom, We sin everyday...

My Boy!

 

[DLD]

Happy Easter everyone!