Jackxxx UltraSound Therapy Log

[Jackxxx]

Hi Jackxxx, congratulation for the great works you’re doing but I was wondering...wuold therapeutic heat be beneficial for girth as well? I’ve been tring a new routine made of an infrared heat pad up to 43 C( Total Man) and pumping with constant heat trough a convential heat pad that reach up to 62.5 C... the expansion is just way bigger and i know it raises the inner temp of the penis because If I take off the pump too quickly the liquid going out with the pressure burns the hell out of my gland; so... can I apply the same principles you’re using for lenght in my girth work? Also because since I’m working only for girth I’m just interested in heating the tunica therefore an infrared heating pad would be maybe enough...? Thank you so much ??

or using an IRL to keep the heat while in the tube...?

There is currently no existing science or literature in regards to girth development. Kyrpa did experimented with Ultrasound to heat the Penis while under constriction (clamping) with better expansion, but not significant gains. The complexity of heat and girth, is that girth has to be worked mostly under a full erection or at least a partial erection. This has 2 problems: One, the amount of blood circulating at all times inside the penis makes it very difficult to reach therapeutic temperatures in the CC's. And what ultimately provides the girth, is the CC's. The second problem is that if you decide to clamp in order to retain the blood, it becomes extremely dangerous the risk of overheating the blood inside and killing al those cells.

Personally the best method I have found for girth is the use of vasodilators such as PGE-1 to cause a controlled priapism under supra-natural cavernosal pressure.

 

[gg00]

There is currently no existing science or literature in regards to girth development. Kyrpa did experimented with Ultrasound to heat the Penis while under constriction (clamping) with better expansion, but not significant gains. The complexity of heat and girth, is that girth has to be worked mostly under a full erection or at least a partial erection. This has 2 problems: One, the amount of blood circulating at all times inside the penis makes it very difficult to reach therapeutic temperatures in the CC's. And what ultimately provides the girth, is the CC's. The second problem is that if you decide to clamp in order to retain the blood, it becomes extremely dangerous the risk of overheating the blood inside and killing al those cells.

Personally the best method I have found for girth is the use of vasodilators such as PGE-1 to cause a controlled priapism under supra-natural cavernosal pressure.

Yes I hope I can find PGE-1 asap... anyway I can say that clamping for 15 minutes with an infrared heat pad up to 43 C is not dangerous cause I do it everyday... but what do you mean when you say that CC’s are what ultimate provide girth...? You mean that the pressure generated from CC’s against the tunica provide girth? Am I right? Thank you

 

[Jackxxx]

Not just the pressure of the CC, but the size of the CC's. Because you can grow your tunica, but you need big CC's to fill up with blood producing that girth. Without big CC's, is just soft tunica.

 

[Jackxxx]

I had a P-shot and afterwards I pumped and I got bleeding in the pump and was bruised on the side. I now have a small lump on the side and it has a feeling of a sharp triangular are about 1X2 mm is it possible to fracture or blow out part of your tunica. It was sore for awhile now only if I really press on it just not sure what the lump is and will it go away after awhile?

It could be just scar tissue which would accuse chronic deficiency of essential nutrients. Is this 1x2mm piece stationary or it moves over if you push it?

 

[Jackxxx]

Update.

Since developing the blister the last time, I have not been able to go back on therapy. The blister finally sealed completely yesterday, but it is still too early to apply that amount of vacuum pressure on the tissue. I will wait for the weekend to resume.

Member Rocco on another forum has been enthusiastically recommending me to use baby powder. I will try that, but not before trying a different approach. Since gorilla tape worked perfect at sealing previous blister spots, I will try this time to seal the whole glans with gorilla tape, or at least most of it and assess the results.

Also, this next workout will be done entirely on creep. At a later experiment, I will do cold stress relaxation on strain and US portion on creep.

 

[Jackxxx]

BIG UPDATE:

Gentlemen, it has begun. BPEL is coming along behind BPFSL.

All along I had this "gut feeling" I admit, completely out of science, however, a perception built up from science.

My initial BPEL was 22cm, just as BPFSL.

P1 yielded 2 full cm of gains in BPFSL, no gains on BPEL.

After P1 I engaged in some BPEL exercise, no established routine, rather trying and testing certain exercises that in a span of 4-6 weeks game me 0.5cm. Therefore, I officially wrote down my results from P1 as 2cm in BPFSL at 24cm and 0.5cm in BPEL at 22.5. After that, all exercising was halted until P2.

As you all know, I am currently on P2, 2 cycles performed and preparing for cycle 3 this weekend after healing a blister.

Today, after talking to member Raptor on a different forum about BPEL, I have decided from the beginning of this approach to not give importance to BPEL. Why? Because I had no problem, growing it in the past. My gains stopped once I reach the dead end, the septum. And that is why I have been dedicated to BPFSL only and exclusively.

In this conversation about BPEL coming behind, we have seen that some achieve BPEL gains while doing US, others by complementing the routine with other exercises.

Today, out of curiosity, I induced a natural erection, no aid of any kind whatsoever, no pumping, no ring, nothing, and I went to measure. To my surprise, my BPEL is 23.2cm. That is 0.7cm bigger than after P1, and is 1.2cm bigger since the beginning of Ultrasound.

Now, what is the explanation for this? I have no idea at this point. Could it be just part of the natural re-adjustment of the tissues? perhaps.

However, interestingly enough, as crazy as this sounds, there was a sign of this.

I have said all along that by pushing for BPFSL, eventually the BPEL has to follow. Once the septum grows a certain percentage, the other tissues around have no option but to give in and follow. I have also stated before that in my case, I've always have a curve to the right. Nothing crazy, a slight curve. Lately, I have noticed my flaccid hanging bigger, and a diminished curve. Less than usual. That made me thing a few days ago: "What if the US elongation is finally forcing the tunica to reorganize and straighten. Today, that seems to be the case.

Btw, 23.2 equals 9.13"

 

[Jackxxx]

Thr???-X
@Jackxxx - I been trying to get acclimated with the US. I am having an issue with getting thermal heat in the proper place. I only seem to be heating up either my leg or fingers. The US waves are going through and not affecting the septum at all. Any suggestions? Maybe 3MHZ instead of 1MHz

I assume you are using your penis over the leg.

Yes, it is normal to feel the heat in your leg, but this does not mean that you are not heating the penis. usually you will not feel the burn on the penis, which could be risky and thats why you need to monitor the temperature. So sometimes you will have the impression that you are heating just your leg and not your penis.

Remember to put your penis twisted over your leg. That means, bundle it half a turn, resting on your leg the dorsal side which is where the septum is, and applying the transducer on the ventral side. 1Mhz waves have a depth of around 1.5cm all the way to 5cm, thats why the cross all the way to the leg, which is a good thing.

In this case your own leg acts as a backing medium, basically catching those sound waves and allowing for heat to disperse evenly in the surrounding area. Otherwise, if the penis was straight forward, those waves would go lost in the air losing a big percentage of heating.

If you cant buy a proper thermocouples device, you can use a cheap pharmacy thermometer and place it between the penis and the leg while you heat. If possible, if you know your anatomy, you can feel the septum tight sticking out on your dorsal side against the leg, place the tip of the thermometer right on top of that cord since that is exactly what you want to heat and check temperature.

Now speaking about 3mhz, of course that would be a viable option to try, but those equipment are expensive. Currently a "cheap" 3mhz/1mhz device is the sound care plus at around $700. Keep in mind, all of us who are having great results is with the beloved US Pro 2000 Second Edition which is a little over $100 at 1Mhz.

 

[Jackxxx]

Thr???-X You are correct.

First, as you already realized, you were applying the heat in the wrong side. You had your penis straight over the leg, but the septum runs on the surface of the dorsal side when you stretch it out. Therefore you need to apply the 1Mhz heat on the ventral side in order to target the septum on the dorsal side. Ans that is why we twist the penis half a turn to rest the dorsal side on the leg and leave the ventral side up to apply the US.

As far as where to fix the thermocouples, correct, on the dorsal side exactly on top of the septum. Do the following exercise. Pull your penis out. As always, VERY SLOW, careful. NEVER yank the penis. It will naturally automatically turtle and tug back. Take a deep breath, relax, slowly exhale and as you exhale pull your penis out in a smooth slow fashion. Take some 7-10 seconds for the full stretch. Now once stretched, you should be able to feel the septum on top on the dorsal side. Like a smaller diameter coaxial cable running through. That is the septum, and on top of that cable is where the thermocouples should go.

Now here there is a tricky part. You have to apply the thermocouples with your penis twisted on top of the leg. Because when you do the twist, the skin shift and the same spot is not on top of the septum anymore. It moved. That is why you need to locate the septum with the penis twisted and apply the thermocouple there with the gorilla tape.

It doesnt really matter if the thermocouples are not evenly split, the important thing is to have 4 data points along the apparatus.

 

[Jackxxx]

Finally back in business after healing blister.

Todays results:

Pre BPFSL 24.5cm
Post BPFSL 24.8cm
Strain: 1.2%

Todays workout was entirely on creep, no strain control. Results are the same as the last workout. There are couple of details to consider. As posted before, my BPEL is finally growing after my BPFSL. Which raises the question: Could I be now pulling the entire tunica instead of only the septum? Quite possible. During P1 my septum was so far behind toughened holding the complete structure, that the whole Period elongated only Septum. During Period 2, I quickly gained 0.5cm at the beginning and gains have stalled. It is quite possible that the septum has been elongated enough to leave the tunica far behind, to the point that I am pulling it along with the septum now and of course diminishing results.

Another detail to consider. I thought about this possibility before, but I haven't confronted it directly until now: The possibility that I am bundling my dick too much. If that is the case, The tunica is taking most of the stress rather than the septum itself. The reason why I have been bundling my penis more than half a turn, is because of the issue I had at the beginning of this new setup in which the penis tends to roll and un-bundle over the leg. I have been thinking about a couple of solutions for this. The first one and more reliable, replace the thin rope by a thick tough exercise equipment cable. That one will not roll over like this little rope does. The other possible solution is to just do the half a turn of the penis and play with the positioning of the leg to allow the penis to rest properly without rolling. Perhaps by keeping the penis as straight as possible the septum takes more stress than the tunica.

One positive note, even though the blister has recently healed and the skin is very delicate, the full coating of gorilla tape worked flawlessly. I applied tape to the whole bottom of the glans wrapping around on the sides of the glans, and then a second layer over the most vulnerable area. It worked, and that means I can continue the protocol tomorrow and the days to come.

I will approach the bundling issue tomorrow.

 

[Jackxxx]

Todays results:

Pre BPFSL: 24.5cm
Post BPFSL: 24.9cm
Strain: 1.6%

For today I did the following variation: 1) corrected the bundle issue. Twisted the penis just enough to rest the septum over the leg. 2) 25 minutes cold creep/25 minutes US creep.

Pre BPFSL I labeled it as 24.5, but in reality it was closer to 24.6. Very hard to determine when we talk about 1mm variation, but I prefer to keep it on the conservative side and assume it as 24.5.

Strain was a tiny bit better today. At this point, I am entertaining the idea of increasing tension a little bit more by 1kg and assess the result.

As we have discussed before, as the penis grow, all our metrics start to come out of a "known" universe. For example, total tension of 4kg does not affect a penis of BPFSL 14cm in the same way as of a penis of BPFSL 25cm. Just like as mentioned before, the strain percentage on a smaller penis that gets a post BPFSL of 5mm is higher than the same gain on a larger penis.

We are still on an unknown ocean, but with an incredibly valuable base of information and knowledge to start. Eventually once we achieve sizes never imagined before, we will be able to take all these factors and put them on a mathematical equation to calculate the proper tension for each length and girth.

Tomorrow is the last day of this cycle, I will repeat a creep workout, very similar to the one today, but I will increase tension by 1kg.

P.S.: Gorilla tape functioned once again flawlessly to protect against potential blister.

 

[Jackxxx]

I was unable to perform in the past 2 days due to work volume.

Today, I have good news and bad news to report.

First the bad. As mentioned before, I replicated todays exercise based on creep, not on strain, and I increased the weight by 1kg reaching a maximum of a little over 5kg. Total weight is not absolutely accurate because you have to account for basket weight, rope friction, scale weight, etc. Anyways, as the tension increased beyond 4kg, the vacuum cup started sliding off towards the end of the therapy. I was about to finish the 25 mins of US portion when I felt it sliding and almost coming off. I had to stop US, hold the cup with my hand to release some tension and hold it there for 10 minutes for a mediocre cooldown. As a consequence, the slippage of the cup grabbed and peeled off the gorilla tape inside creating once a again, a new beloved blister. I will have to start naming these things like hurricanes.

Now on the positive side, the extra tension yielded positive results in terms of length, and I am positive that if I was successful at finishing the whole routine the proper way, I would be in the right track to resume proper strain percentage.

Todays numbers are:

Pre BPFSL: 24.7cm
Post BPFSL: 25.1cm
Strain: 1.6%

I was able this time to retain 2 extra mm since the last workout, and I have passed the 25cm mark for the first time. 25.1cm is 3mm shy from the romantic number 25.4cm which equals 10 inches.

On an interesting note, as we have discussed before, there are days in which the tunica is extra very relaxed and flexible. Even when I am off I constantly measure throughout the day to monitor any difference. Yesterday, was one of those days in which the tunica was very stretchy. As I pulled out I knew already. It measured close to 25cm. However, today my Pre BPFSL was 24.7cm

The reason for the cup slippage was not the cup itself, it is the shitty silicone sleeves. First, I dont know why and who started this silicone trend. I put my money again on bro-science. The people who started using this material over 10 years ago probably got the idea from sex toys which use silicone materials and silicone lubricants because probably relates to a "delicate" area of the body. It turns out when you apply science and exercise, not sexual arousal and pleasure, silicone does not do the job.

I will try to find once again the same sleeve I had before which was made of a tight more rubbery material. In fact something made out of a material similar to a bicycle inner tube would be great. Which just gave me an idea.

P.S. As mentioned before, the more the penis grow the harder will be to achieve those 3% strain. As it grows, in order to achieve the same percentage rate of strain, the more millimeters you need to stretch on each session which becomes physically impossible.

0.5mm of Post BPFSL on a penis 15cm Pre BPFSL equals 3.3% Strain. But the same 0.5mm of Post BPFSL on a penis 25cm Pre BPFSL equals only 2% which is good, but it gets lower and lower as the BPFSL grows.

 

[Jackxxx]

@Jackxxx, you are very knowledgeable, could you answer this: What is the main difference between using a VACUM ROD extender vs a VACUM LEG type extender? (Its a leg strap extender a waste of time?)

Also, was your initial size 22cm? or have you P.E ever in your life before reaching those 22cm? Do you believe the steel cord that you experience was cause by something or some exercises in particular?

If your girth was 4.9 when you started, how much progress have you made?

Have you tried using newskin on your glans? I was mentioned on another thread and I did try it, and helped me for using vacuum hanging.
Its like a liquid bandage

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PD: Have you ever considered any other type of P.E devices, like an RF machine with high potency, do you think it could aid in something?

Hey brother

- I am not an expert in the different variations of PE, but I have tried a few things. I remember trying the leg strap a couple of times a very long time ago, and what I didn't like about it is that if you wear it during normal life, that means, sitting down, up, going down on the floor driving, walking, it becomes very unreliable because with each one of those moves and others, the tension varies. So there is no consistency. There is no way to quantify a specific amount of time at a specific amount of tension that way.

With the rod traction device is different. Because you can stay still in a chair or a couch while using it, extending the rods as necessary every certain amount of time, and you can track time and tension which will equal a specific result.

- I started around 1999 at around 18cm. Even though my initial savage approach to PE gave me gains, it resulted also in a very tough septum. One of my first exercises was erected hanging with 10kg. I used a coaxial cable with a tie know around my glans and the other end around the dumbbells (2x5kg) I would hang for 1-2 hours every day. After that jelquing and pumping gave me some results throughout the years that put me at 22cm.

- My current girth is 6.25"

- I have that exact same product, liquid bandaid that I plan to apply in conjunction with the gorilla tape.

- RF is the way to go. It is more specific and precise at spot heating and at a specific depth. The problem, price. There is one member, Tutt, who is applying the same heat technology for PE, but instead of Ultrasound he is using RF. He's setup and equipment is around $20k, and you really need basic radio frequency knowledge to work with that because you can easily fry your dick.

 

[Jackxxx]

Hey jackxxx I have been studying your post and thought I read that you used your size genetics for your first ultrasound trial? Is that right or ami I thinking of someone else? Also if you did why did you go away from that, it seems like a great platform for this method?

Nope, wasn't me. I have not approached this therapy with a traction device.

 

[Jackxxx]

@Jackxxx I think you will be interested in this:

https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a612029.html

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28974406/

"Its an enzyme produced by the bacterium Clostridium histolyticum that dismantles collagen"

Yes, I have read extensively about that but there are serious potential health hazard with that enzyme. I would not try it. We have read and researched many other approaches that can provide literally impressive gains, but again the potential health hazard make it unworthy to try. So much that I prefer to not even mention those methods in any public forum

 

[Jackxxx]

Hi Jackxxx

I have the soundcare plus machine and can use 3mghz on my treatments do I still need to stretch over my leg in a bundle? Do you know a log of someone who uses the 3mghz soundcare?

I believe you asked the same question to Kyrpa on a different forum? lol. I did not reply to that since its on Kyrpa's thread.

Anyways, the answer is no, you dont need to. The whole purpose of heating over the leg bundled, is because the 1Mhz waves pass trough the penis. If you dont use a backing medium such as the leg or a gel pad, all those waves get lost and you might not be able to reach target temperatures.

But in the case of 3Mhz waves, the depth is less. That means, you can heat directly the dorsal side and the temperature should, theoretically, stay inside radiating to the whole septum.

You want to check manko's thread. He used a sound care plus at 3Mhz and tested extensively inner temperature with transurethral probe.

I personally have never tried a 3Mhz machine. The only way to know its performance is of course by measuring temperature. Depending on that, I would do a few tests. For example, heating the dorsal side while attaching thermocouples on the ventral side to see if temperature is reaching that far. Then heating on the ventral side and measuring temp on the dorsal side to see if perhaps the 3Mhz targets better the tunica from the ventral side, but it doesnt go far as the 1Mhz to have too many waves lost on the other side.

 

[Jackxxx]

What are your thoughts on achieving therapeutic heat through a heating pad. I did a trial with a heat pad today just to see if I could get to the temps needed and I was able to. I had the temp probes on dorsal and ventral side and was able to maintain a solid temp through the trial. The drawback is it takes about 20 minutes to get the temps to stabilize so not as fast as the us, but with some ingenuity it could become a hands free operation. Would love some feedback, I will attach a picture of the stabilized temps I was able to achieve

Absolutely my friend.

If you can reach therapeutic zone through other methods, it will have the same successful result. The inly reason why we use US is due to reliability and efficiency.

Now, with a heat pad it becomes tricky to measure that temp. Like for example, where are you locating the probes? They cant be touching the pad because of course you will be picking the temp of the pad, not of the tissues. Remember the important temperature is the internal, not the external. Or more specific, the temp exactly on the septum.

In the case of a pad, unfortunately the most reliable way would be with a transurethral probe. UNLESS, if you rest your penis over your leg, put the pad on top of your penis, then measure temp between the leg and the penis, if it reaches target temp, there you go! You've got it! if it measure what you need on the other side, that means the internal tissues of the penis have reached the therapeutic zone.

 

[gg00]

What are your thoughts on achieving therapeutic heat through a heating pad. I did a trial with a heat pad today just to see if I could get to the temps needed and I was able to. I had the temp probes on dorsal and ventral side and was able to maintain a solid temp through the trial. The drawback is it takes about 20 minutes to get the temps to stabilize so not as fast as the us, but with some ingenuity it could become a hands free operation. Would love some feedback, I will attach a picture of the stabilized temps I was able to achieve

What I can tell you is that since I’ve started to use an infrared heat pad designed for PE both reaching and keeping the temp is way easier and quicker than a conventional heat pad. Try to take a look at Total Man infrared heat pad for me has been a game changer.

 

[Jackxxx]

@Jackxxx just a question... after you’ve done your training do you keep your penis extended some how or you just leave it free??? Thankss ?

I leave it free. There is in reality no science or existing literature showing any research backing an ADS. Only a few anecdotal experience, but combined with other methods of PE so we dont really know how much was ADS if any.

Could there be any benefit? Absolutely. It would be a matter of doing our own research somehow at some point.

Kyrpa is more of the idea of compare it to working out skeletal muscles. After going to the gym, do you keep those muscles trained stretched for the rest of the day? No. It wouldn't be practical anyways, but the point is, muscles are growing anyways as a product of stress, nutrient and sleep. In this case is the same approach.

Now, my own opinion, is not exactly the same, since we are not working with skeletal muscle here. We have a combination of connective tissue, tendon/ligament tissue, and smooth muscle which works in different ways. That is why I say that there could be benefit from it but we need data, science.

 

[James40221]

So the data is in for the heating pad. I placed temp probes on the upper dorsal and ventral and the lower dorsal and ventral side of the penis. I covered with a silisleeve to hold in place.

my first temp probe closest to the heating source took 7 min to get to 104
And the last on in the opposite side opposite end took 34 minutes to hit 104.

keepint the temps in the therapeutic range was easy as all 4 were in the range at the same time. The pad was able to heat up the whole thermal mass and it was very comfortable, I did feel the almost anxiety building as the heat hit therapeutic range so there is something to that.
the decay of the temps took over 10 min to get below 100 so a lot slower. I will have to measure strain to see for sure but the temps are achievable through heating pad. I’ll keep working this while on the injured reserve from my blisters but this may be a viable alternative down the road.

 

[Jackxxx]

@Jackxxx

I tried today caverject, just 2.5 mcg and it gave one the biggest erections I've ever had.
[This was one at the doctors office, after 30minutes he gave me an injection of phenylephrine that almost instantly ceased my boner]

My question is:

Is it normal to feel a burning sensation after injection, also felt my cock was about to explode.(caverject injection)

Also is there any way to reduce pain? I am hypersensitive and feel quite a lot there.

Is it normal? Do i have to inject on both CCs or one side is enough?

I even could see a pair of veins I have behind my glans that only appear when pumping.

It is used exactly in the same way the doctor applied it to you.

- Pain is normal
- Slight burning is normal as long as it goes away quickly
- Injection is on one side.
- There is no way to reduce pain, only reducing the dose.