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[oldandlively]

I do get some of the little red spots, but I remember these from before and it doesn't worry me.

No, try to worry a bit. Red spots means you are pushing too hard and too aggressive on the intensity load. Ease back a bit from that point of red spots just for a week to condition up before increasing the intensity again. I still get it now and then for going a smidgen over the current limit.

I also did a bit of random stretching in the time too, but not too intensive. That said, I'm sure I was 6.5 BPEL, but it seems to be 6.7 now... most likely incorrect initial measuring. I'm also on a health kick and losing weight, so maybe literally the thickness of fat even when bone pressing?

You cemented your gain, recovered the lost penile realestate, or both when you lost a bit of weight. A good start.

Anyway, I have now started trialling some proper stretching using the newbie routine. I got my rice sock sorted... I just realised today that I should have been trying some bundled stretches to warm up (is this what you meant above re newbie stretches as a warm up?). I now have a few more questions...

Yes. Some of our veteran brothers just stretch for 5 minutes using newbie routines as warm up. Some use warm rice socks to warm up faster and get things rolling. A few using warming heater to max out the tissue malleability through the workout. Everyone has tissue needs. Standard approach is to warm things up properly.

When I'm stretching, I pull out until I can feel the limit of the tunica, I can't seem to stretch beyond this. Is this how it should be?

Yes. The dull achy feeling when you stretch at your max without pain is the upper limit. Just slightly less achy is the lower limit. Just at the point of pain is the new limit.

I feel like if anything, I'm more likely to stretch ligaments and pull out more inner penis than anything!

Inner penis is the key to recover or expose the hidden realestate. But that's only 1 to 2 inches of hidden realestate. The true gains is from tearing the old penile tissues and develop new tissues along the entire penile shaft. That is your 2 to 10in plus of new length over time.

As a result of these attempts, I have now had a couple of bigger blood spots (or maybe bruises). I assume this is just intensity and they will go away with a couple of days off like the smaller ones.

Yep. Ease up and condition yourself first. No desperate routines and hurt yourself.

I can't seem to leave my dick alone though! Every now and then while at my desk I feel down there and give it a bit of a pull out! Do I just need to give it more of a break, or just let it acclimatise?

Welcome to PE. It's an addiction over time Just keep at it as it will be part of your life. Ladies play with their breasts and hair. We play with our penis.

 

[Olza]

Thanks for your speedy reply!

No, try to worry a bit. Red spots means you are pushing too hard and too aggressive on the intensity load. Ease back a bit from that point of red spots just for a week to condition up before increasing the intensity again. I still get it now and then for going a smidgen over the current limit.

I feel like if I went with less intensity I wouldn't be doing anything really... pretty sure it's from the SSJ, going in the bathmate after seems to reduce them a bit oddly. I think also initially, I wasn't including a proper warm up, so perhaps this will help.

Intensity seems a difficult thing to master, I see you even mentioned in a reply to me in this thread to "go hard at it", or words to that affect. I guess you are just meaning once I'm conditioned?

You cemented your gain, recovered the lost penile realestate, or both when you lost a bit of weight. A good start.

Do you call it a gain, even if its just from lost body fat?

Yes. Some of our veteran brothers just stretch for 5 minutes using newbie routines as warm up. Some use warm rice socks to warm up faster and get things rolling. A few using warming heater to max out the tissue malleability through the workout. Everyone has tissue needs. Standard approach is to warm things up properly.

Is this warm up in all the same directions as the routine? and is this quite light stretching?

Yes. The dull achy feeling when you stretch at your max without pain is the upper limit. Just slightly less achy is the lower limit. Just at the point of pain is the new limit.

But does it matter that I don't feel like I'm actually stretching anything... like I've seen written elsewhere, the tunica is as tough as leather, can perhaps stretch 5%, but I don't think I'm seeing or feeling that?

Inner penis is the key to recover or expose the hidden realestate. But that's only 1 to 2 inches of hidden realestate. The true gains is from tearing the old penile tissues and develop new tissues along the entire penile shaft. That is your 2 to 10in plus of new length over time.

1 to 2 inches is all I need!

Yep. Ease up and condition yourself first. No desperate routines and hurt yourself.

Ok, so this the knack then.. as I said above, I feel like less intensity would be doing nothing. How do you gauge this?

Welcome to PE. It's an addiction over time Just keep at it as it will be part of your life. Ladies play with their breasts and hair. We play with our penis.

Are there times though, that I should stop playing and leave the poor chap to rest, or is it OK me having a fiddle and getting regular erections but not working anything?

 

[oldandlively]

Intensity seems a difficult thing to master, I see you even mentioned in a reply to me in this thread to "go hard at it", or words to that affect. I guess you are just meaning once I'm conditioned?

Correct. Once you are sufficiently conditioned, normally takes about a week to as long as two months, depending on each person's skin type, go hard at it in terms of incremental intensity. The dull pain is a great measurement of the upper bound of intensity, just before the no-no pain.

Do you call it a gain, even if its just from lost body fat?

Correct. When you lose fat, you gain the ability to pull even harder on the lost realestate hidden inside the body. Fat pad reduce the ability to pull hard using the pump because the fat pad doesn't allow you the leverage to pull harder under vacuum. The pull feels springy and inconsistent vs a tougher surface that provides good consistent pull under pressure. Body fat also hides the hidden penile shaft at the base which is the lost. In both perspectives, it's a win-win.

Is this warm up in all the same directions as the routine? and is this quite light stretching?

Yes. All directional stretches straight up and out acts as warm up stretches. The true stretches are the down and BTC, working against your ligaments and creating tears. In reality, or doesn't matter as long as there sufficient reactions to create tears for reformation of new tissues. Intensity loads are what we aim for.

But does it matter that I don't feel like I'm actually stretching anything... like I've seen written elsewhere, the tunica is as tough as leather, can perhaps stretch 5%, but I don't think I'm seeing or feeling that?

Tunica is indeed tough as leather, but soft flexible leather that can be torn. The stretches from full erection is 25%. From flaccid, it can go has far as 65% in additional length. At this point, you will be screaming.

1 to 2 inches is all I need!

Nah, once you get there, it'll be another 1 or 2in. We all said that in the past. We are still chasing for more now.

Ok, so this the knack then.. as I said above, I feel like less intensity would be doing nothing. How do you gauge this?

We use hanging weights with a hanging device, like the Length Master's Hanger plates. We hang weights at the very start and measure the pulling sensation just below the painful sensation, slightly above the dull pulling pain. Once again, we measure the same weight half way through the routine, and then again after the routine. This is to gauge the sensation of the intensity throughout the routines from non fatigue to fatigue points. This is to ensure we don't go too crazy during the routines. I did the measurements last night, and I freaked out that I went 7lbs over the initial limit after 25 minutes of my lengthening routines. That's 17lbs total. Went too far without realizing because my penis wanted harder pull. If I kept on doing this without realizing it sooner, I will plateau out at higher weight too soon and cannot use the higher intensity as my trump card. You want to preserve that. Good piece of steak takes time at constant temperature over a certain amount of time. Don't mess it up by cranking up the heat too high because you're hungry.

Are there times though, that I should stop playing and leave the poor chap to rest, or is it OK me having a fiddle and getting regular erections but not working anything?

It's not a problem. Keep messing with it. As long as you don't tug and pull as hard as a normal routine for too long of a period, you're fine.

 

[Olza]

Correct. Once you are sufficiently conditioned, normally takes about a week to as long as two months, depending on each person's skin type, go hard at it in terms of incremental intensity. The dull pain is a great measurement of the upper bound of intensity, just before the no-no pain.

Dull pain while stretching, not after? and is this in the tunica, or the deeper ligaments?

Yes. All directional stretches straight up and out acts as warm up stretches. The true stretches are the down and BTC, working against your ligaments and creating tears. In reality, or doesn't matter as long as there sufficient reactions to create tears for reformation of new tissues. Intensity loads are what we aim for.

So bundled and quite light?

Tunica is indeed tough as leather, but soft flexible leather that can be torn. The stretches from full erection is 25%. From flaccid, it can go has far as 65% in additional length. At this point, you will be screaming.

Ok, but I'm not feeling I'm getting any stretch right now, just hitting hard leather and getting nothing more... but yet, putting in too much intensity? Bit confused on that.

We use hanging weights with a hanging device, like the Length Master's Hanger plates. We hang weights at the very start and measure the pulling sensation just below the painful sensation, slightly above the dull pulling pain. Once again, we measure the same weight half way through the routine, and then again after the routine. This is to gauge the sensation of the intensity throughout the routines from non fatigue to fatigue points. This is to ensure we don't go too crazy during the routines. I did the measurements last night, and I freaked out that I went 7lbs over the initial limit after 25 minutes of my lengthening routines. That's 17lbs total. Went too far without realizing because my penis wanted harder pull. If I kept on doing this without realizing it sooner, I will plateau out at higher weight too soon and cannot use the higher intensity as my trump card. You want to preserve that. Good piece of steak takes time at constant temperature over a certain amount of time. Don't mess it up by cranking up the heat too high because you're hungry.

Ok, don't understand this and not read this anywhere before. Is this necessary as a newbie?

 

[oldandlively]

Dull pain while stretching, not after? and is this in the tunica, or the deeper ligaments?

Both. When pulling/tugging, you will feel the dull pain from the bottom of the penis at the base more than the rest of the penile shaft. Once the routine is over, you will feel it all over. The constant dull pain during the stretches is what important. The remnant dull pain is the result of the good routine.

So bundled and quite light?

Bundle by twist to the best that you can until it cannot be contort any more. This works the penile shaft, not so much at the base of the penis and the ligaments. When pulling, start lightly. Oh please be light. Then slowly pull until you get that dull pain feeling. The sensation is completely different between when bundled vs when not. During the contortion, less traction force is needed to work the penile shaft.

If you want to pull against the ligaments, dedicate a full 5 minutes of just pulling it straight down without the bundle. Use dynamic stretches (DS) instead. What is DS? Pull down until you feel the dull pain, slowly, SLOWLY, pull slightly harder beyond that dull pain until you reach light pain, hold for 30 seconds, and go back to dull pain. This is DS. I perform this at 10 seconds intervals, causing constant tears, while adding 180 degrees bundle. This is moderate to advance level for when you penis is sufficiently conditioned.

Ok, but I'm not feeling I'm getting any stretch right now, just hitting hard leather and getting nothing more... but yet, putting in too much intensity? Bit confused on that.

The hard leather feeling without that dull pain is not high enough of an intensity. Pull down just a bit harder, but slowly.

Ok, don't understand this and not read this anywhere before. Is this necessary as a newbie?

Yes, and no. Yes, as a newbie that has yet to enter into the world of PE. No, if you already did some pulling stretches manually. Newbie is just to provide conditioning enough before heading into more intense routines. Reading is one thing, but following a guide to the letter is another. PE is all about understanding the base guidelines but constantly modify the base guidelines for your needs.

 

[Olza]

Both. When pulling/tugging, you will feel the dull pain from the bottom of the penis at the base more than the rest of the penile shaft. Once the routine is over, you will feel it all over. The constant dull pain during the stretches is what important. The remnant dull pain is the result of the good routine.

Ok, then as you have worked out below, I think I'm not giving enough intensity. The red spots are more likely from girth work as I said.

Bundle by twist to the best that you can until it cannot be contort any more. This works the penile shaft, not so much at the base of the penis and the ligaments. When pulling, start lightly. Oh please be light. Then slowly pull until you get that dull pain feeling. The sensation is completely different between when bundled vs when not. During the contortion, less traction force is needed to work the penile shaft.

If you want to pull against the ligaments, dedicate a full 5 minutes of just pulling it straight down without the bundle. Use dynamic stretches (DS) instead. What is DS? Pull down until you feel the dull pain, slowly, SLOWLY, pull slightly harder beyond that dull pain until you reach light pain, hold for 30 seconds, and go back to dull pain. This is DS. I perform this at 10 seconds intervals, causing constant tears, while adding 180 degrees bundle. This is moderate to advance level for when you penis is sufficiently conditioned.


The hard leather feeling without that dull pain is not high enough of an intensity. Pull down just a bit harder, but slowly.


Yes, and no. Yes, as a newbie that has yet to enter into the world of PE. No, if you already did some pulling stretches manually. Newbie is just to provide conditioning enough before heading into more intense routines. Reading is one thing, but following a guide to the letter is another. PE is all about understanding the base guidelines but constantly modify the base guidelines for your needs.

Ok, but I didn't understand what you were trying to explain... what are you trying to establish? Are you adding weight just until the point before pain at the start, recording that weight, then adding the same weight again in the middle and at the end... what does this tell you and how are you using it to adjust how hard you pull on your dick?

 

[oldandlively]

Ok, but I didn't understand what you were trying to explain... what are you trying to establish?

Comfort level. Just below the needed traction force to reinforce the gains.

Upper traction force level, where changes occurs but the pain is low and dull.

New growth zone level by inducing higher intensity for further micro tearing. Don't stay in this zone for too long.

Are you adding weight just until the point before pain at the start, recording that weight, then adding the same weight again in the middle and at the end... what does this tell you and how are you using it to adjust how hard you pull on your dick?

Correct. Let's just say this week you started out at 5lbs as the threshold point where you feel comfortable but there is no dull pain at the start, at the middle, or at the end of the routine. 5lbs is already above the needed micro tearing requirements. 30 minutes to 60 minutes of this will initiate micro tearinf regardless of your penile tissue density. Clinical warnings not to exceed 2.5lbs for more than 60 minutes. 2.5lbs at a longer period beyond 2 hours initiate micro tearing for optimal growth. 5lbs within 30 minutes will force the micro tears rapidly for newbies. But, for you, there is no dull pain at this point.

But the moment you add another 1lb onto the 5lbs, you feel the dull pain. This is your upper optimal zone. Remember the feeling.

In the middle of the routine for lengthening, use the same 6lbs. Feel it. At this time, you'll feel a bit less dull feeling than since the start. Opposite feeling may be true if your tissues and ligaments feel fatigue. Note that sensation and not to exceed that. Do the same again at the end. Note it and do not exceed it.

This is the early warning not to go too hard and too fast, similar to pumping. Too hard and too fast will make your penis adapts too fast at higher intensity. Wait until you're about 6 months into the Length Master routines before breaking out the truly terrifying intensity to break any plateaus, if you reach it. Most don't until the 9th or 12th month.

 

[oldandlively]

By the way, DLD is correct in predicting an increment of 0.5lbs every 2 weeks, starting at 2.5lbs. 1lb every 2 weeks indicates your penis is adapting fast to high intensity.

 

[DLD]

By the way, DLD is correct in predicting an increment of 0.5lbs every 2 weeks, starting at 2.5lbs. 1lb every 2 weeks indicates your penis is adapting fast to high intensity.

Building up intensity and/weight is safe but also more better growth

 

[Olza]

By the way, DLD is correct in predicting an increment of 0.5lbs every 2 weeks, starting at 2.5lbs. 1lb every 2 weeks indicates your penis is adapting fast to high intensity.

So this is a good rate of increase, or too fast?

...and I should do this at the start when the lengthmaster arrives, and match my intensity to how 2.5lbs feels?

 

[oldandlively]

So this is a good rate of increase, or too fast?

At 0.5lbs increase per 2 weeks, it's a good intensity. No need to climb faster. If your tugging and pulling remains at low weight/traction force, even better. It means you don't have to use higher weight/traction force to get the same amount of workout. I'm still using 6.5lbs since March, and push hard up into 10lbs when I get a micro tears for 10 minutes and go back down to 6.5lbs. Even at 6.5lbs, I worry that I may be reaching an accidental plateau at this weight/traction force. I should only be at around 5.5Lbs, or 6lbs. 0.5lb doesn't appear significant to us in terms of skeletal muscle tissues, but for soft penile and pelvic floor tissues, it's pretty significant, just like 0.5inHg vs 1inHg for pumping. The small number doesn't mean much, but breaking down to smaller values at the cellular level, it is quite large.

...and I should do this at the start when the lengthmaster arrives, and match my intensity to how 2.5lbs feels?

Yes. Gauge, gauge, and gauge some more. 2.5lbs, 3.5lbs, 4lbs, 4.5lbs...know the sensations. Find that lower comfortable limit below the dull feeling. Find that starting dull tug sensation. Then find that upper bound dull to painful feeling. Note it all down on your personal logs. You will be surprised when you look back on it later.

 

[Olza]

At 0.5lbs increase per 2 weeks, it's a good intensity. No need to climb faster. If your tugging and pulling remains at low weight/traction force, even better. It means you don't have to use higher weight/traction force to get the same amount of workout. I'm still using 6.5lbs since March, and push hard up into 10lbs when I get a micro tears for 10 minutes and go back down to 6.5lbs. Even at 6.5lbs, I worry that I may be reaching an accidental plateau at this weight/traction force. I should only be at around 5.5Lbs, or 6lbs. 0.5lb doesn't appear significant to us in terms of skeletal muscle tissues, but for soft penile and pelvic floor tissues, it's pretty significant, just like 0.5inHg vs 1inHg for pumping. The small number doesn't mean much, but breaking down to smaller values at the cellular level, it is quite large.


Yes. Gauge, gauge, and gauge some more. 2.5lbs, 3.5lbs, 4lbs, 4.5lbs...know the sensations. Find that lower comfortable limit below the dull feeling. Find that starting dull tug sensation. Then find that upper bound dull to painful feeling. Note it all down on your personal logs. You will be surprised when you look back on it later.

Hey, so I've got most of the SRT kit... surprised how tight the durorings are, and they all seem the same tension.

So many questions again, obviously haha

Quick first one though... does the mightyvac always constantly lose pressure? Are you always having to keep topping it up throughout your routine?

 

[oldandlively]

Hey, so I've got most of the SRT kit... surprised how tight the durorings are, and they all seem the same tension.

Yep. They are indeed tight. They are tight because they meant to work as an alternative method to all day stretchers and traction devices. I grew out of it so fast that it choked my poor litlte guy. I use a softer SiliSleeve2 to do the same thing, but with less traction strength.

So many questions again, obviously haha

Ask away. Never stop asking.

Quick first one though... does the MityVac always constantly lose pressure?

Yes, if you don't shave yourself well. No, if you have perfect contact and vacuum. If you do have slow leak, there are many ways to check for leakage. It can be as simple as aligning the threads properly to making sure the hoses are nice and tight onto the barbs.

Let us know what's going on with the pressure leak.

Are you always having to keep topping it up throughout your routine?

Topping off water? That's a no. Why? Because the 5x5x3 routine should force you to renew your water. 5 minutes SSJ or pump first, depending on how you work on your expansion, and when you use 5 minutes of water on the pump, the water gets vacated during the pumping. After pumping, you have to pull your penis out to do the follow up SSJ to further expand the internal tissues. Refill water, and start fresh.

I think you're thinking about topping off is because you have a leak? Even with a leak, when you pump out, you'll vacate the air and the remaining water volume should be the same amount you have before air intrudes.

 

[Olza]

Yep. They are indeed tight. They are tight because they meant to work as an alternative method to all day stretchers and traction devices. I grew out of it so fast that it choked my poor litlte guy. I use a softer SiliSleeve2 to do the same thing, but with less traction strength.

The cock ring things, yeah? Read that they shouldn't be too tight, they are far too strong... I have other adjustable ones I think I'll use.

Ask away. Never stop asking.


Yes, if you don't shave yourself well. No, if you have perfect contact and vacuum. If you do have slow leak, there are many ways to check for leakage. It can be as simple as aligning the threads properly to making sure the hoses are nice and tight onto the barbs.

Let us know what's going on with the pressure leak.

I'm shaven and the seal was good, what else should I check?

Topping off water? That's a no. Why? Because the 5x5x3 routine should force you to renew your water. 5 minutes SSJ or pump first, depending on how you work on your expansion, and when you use 5 minutes of water on the pump, the water gets vacated during the pumping. After pumping, you have to pull your penis out to do the follow up SSJ to further expand the internal tissues. Refill water, and start fresh.

I think you're thinking about topping off is because you have a leak? Even with a leak, when you pump out, you'll vacate the air and the remaining water volume should be the same amount you have before air intrudes.

No, I wasn't using water, was trialling with just air. Don't know how I'd do it with water here, same way as the bathmate? I only have a shower not a bath. Wanted the mightyvac it as it would be easier to do training out of the shower. It's a pain having to constantly be in the shower to be honest!

 

[oldandlively]

I'm shaven and the seal was good, what else should I check?

This is s good start:

https://mattersofsize.com/threads/some-information-about-valves-and-o-rings-mityvac-related.1831768/

This is for both air and water: check the hose connections between the cylinder, water trap, and the gun. Do not test the line going from the water trap, through the hose, and the pump gun by submerging them in the water. The other parts are line, such as the cylinder, the line, and the cylinder side that does not go towards the trigger pump gun. Most of the probable leak when using the water trap is the large o-ring in the water trap unit. Make sure it's not kinked, missing, or damaged.

For the line leak from the water trap to the pumg gun, disconnect the hose at the water trap that connects to the cylinder, put your finger and seal the barb for the water trap, and pump. See if there's leak somewhere between the sealing cap for the water trap or around the barbs for the water trap and the trigger pump gun.

No, I wasn't using water, was trialling with just air. Don't know how I'd do it with water here, same way as the bathmate?

If you're not using water, do the same test above after following the direction from our brother SIM's video, then do the pressure test without the cylinder.

I only have a shower not a bath. Wanted the MityVac it as it would be easier to do training out of the shower. It's a pain having to constantly be in the shower to be honest!

Bathmate device doesn't mean you have to use a bath tub. I use my Bathmate out of the shower all the time. Same with the MityVac. It's how well you prevent water from spilling all over the place is the key to not making your normal bed into a water bed. Most of my pumping done on my bed.

 

[Olza]

This is s good start:

https://mattersofsize.com/threads/some-information-about-valves-and-o-rings-mityvac-related.1831768/

This is for both air and water: check the hose connections between the cylinder, water trap, and the gun. Do not test the line going from the water trap, through the hose, and the pump gun by submerging them in the water. The other parts are line, such as the cylinder, the line, and the cylinder side that does not go towards the trigger pump gun. Most of the probable leak when using the water trap is the large o-ring in the water trap unit. Make sure it's not kinked, missing, or damaged.

For the line leak from the water trap to the pumg gun, disconnect the hose at the water trap that connects to the cylinder, put your finger and seal the barb for the water trap, and pump. See if there's leak somewhere between the sealing cap for the water trap or around the barbs for the water trap and the trigger pump gun.


If you're not using water, do the same test above after following the direction from our brother SIM's video, then do the pressure test without the cylinder.


Bathmate device doesn't mean you have to use a bath tub. I use my Bathmate out of the shower all the time. Same with the MityVac. It's how well you prevent water from spilling all over the place is the key to not making your normal bed into a water bed. Most of my pumping done on my bed.

Ok, I'll have a read, thanks...

I wasn't using the water trap, as I wasn't using water. Assume its not mandatory?

How on earth do you bathmate out of the shower? Lol

 

[oldandlively]

I wasn't using the water trap, as I wasn't using water. Assume its not mandatory?

Nope. Air or water. Quite a few brothers use air. Quite a few use water. The rest use water and air, including me.

How on earth do you bathmate out of the shower? Lol

Look a lot of learning curve experience. Let's just say my bathroom was a nice pond before I acquire the methods to make it into light accidental spills. Everyone will learn how to work the unit outside of the shower eventually. This is a learning journey

 

[Olza]

Nope. Air or water. Quite a few brothers use air. Quite a few use water. The rest use water and air, including me.

What I mean is, if you are just using air, you can skip the water trap section and just go from gun to cylinder?

Look a lot of learning curve experience. Let's just say my bathroom was a nice pond before I acquire the methods to make it into light accidental spills. Everyone will learn how to work the unit outside of the shower eventually. This is a learning journey

Might skip this learning curve!

 

[oldandlively]

What I mean is, if you are just using air, you can skip the water trap section and just go from gun to cylinder?

Yes. If you're using only air, remove the water trap, connect the hose between pump and cylinder, and go crazy. Well, crazily and safely.

 

[Olza]

Yes. If you're using only air, remove the water trap, connect the hose between pump and cylinder, and go crazy. Well, crazily and safely.

I've sorted this now already, seems to be staying at pressure... not sure exactly what it was if I'm honest!

Is it easy to attach pics in here, got soke weird looking silicone bit with the silistretcher... no idea what it is!