5x5x3 Extended

oldandlively said:

Yes. Rather than use MOS Red at the start or during. Try it after the first cock ring post pumping session if this issue continues. The MOS Red should assist with the warming and energy boosting processes.

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oldandlively said:

Does the 5x5x3 works? I can say yes. If your penis is reaching its fatigue to the point it doesn't like to get erected, the 5x5x3 routine is helping the penis to get out of its comfort zone. Imagine your lover is forcing you out of bed from being too lazy and get back into shape or get to work. Over time, the attitude will change and the changes to the needs for a workout or work is becoming a habit. In this case, and erection at will and erection quality to boot.

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oldandlively said:

That will be too much as daily dosage allowance. My suggestion is to use it after the pumping. It's more critical to encourage the blood after pumping than before. This is where the healing process continues. Try this method first and see how it goes with the warming session using the MOS Red. We'll come up with another method if it doesn't work after a few tries.

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kriskros said:

Okay I will do it even though I dont understand why.
So...5x5x3 and 10 mins after the first cockring I use MOSRED at 4 inches away for 10 mins?

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1. Your penis is not ready or conditioned for the intense session of 5x5x3. For most brothers who are healthy, this is pretty harsh. I have two I'm coaching now, and both said the same thing. It's pretty intense. One is able to continue, and for the other, I'm telling him to ease up on the intensity until his penis can catch up. Rather than high pressure for the pump, I suggest to ease up by 2 inHg for the first and third pump. The second pump, go to the pressure he normally uses, which is the upper inHg pressure.
2. During the SSJ session, which is manual jelqing, rather than high intensity on all the sets, only focus on the first set, and ease up on the second and third sets. Why? The first set allows you to expand your tissues just enough to have your 2nd pumping set to max out expansion. The second and third SSJ sets will simply help to maintain the expanded volume without causing you to become too fatigue. That works for him.

oldandlively said:

Never stop asking brother. If you don't understand, we'll explain as much as needed so you have the knowledge. PE is important, but your health is just as important.

The reason behind using MOS Red after the 1st cock ring session is to promote blood flow. Meaning what? You indicated that after the first cock ring session for 5 to 10 minutes, you can't get any more blood flow into your penis. This is because your penis is forcing the tissues of the penis along the entire penis shaft to retract back into the body. This is to prevent any further injury to the penis. Very common. Hope you understand this so far.

Now, the question is, "Why is my penis not allowing me to get more blood into it when I try to get blood into the second time when I'm using the cock ring?" Two things come into my mind immediately:

1. Your penis is not ready or conditioned for the intense session of 5x5x3. For most brothers who are healthy, this is pretty harsh. I have two I'm coaching now, and both said the same thing. It's pretty intense. One is able to continue, and for the other, I'm telling him to ease up on the intensity until his penis can catch up. Rather than high pressure for the pump, I suggest to ease up by 2 inHg for the first and third pump. The second pump, go to the pressure he normally uses, which is the upper inHg pressure.
2. During the SSJ session, which is manual jelqing, rather than high intensity on all the sets, only focus on the first set, and ease up on the second and third sets. Why? The first set allows you to expand your tissues just enough to have your 2nd pumping set to max out expansion. The second and third SSJ sets will simply help to maintain the expanded volume without causing you to become too fatigue. That works for him.

Fatigue is good, but it can also be bad such as in your case. We are experimenting on how much your penis can handle by approaching your 5x5x3 routine differently. Hope you understand to this point. This is to ease up on the amount of fatigue you're having.

Now, why the MOS Red light after the pumping? Since blood flow is influenced by temperature, by having the temperature around the groin area warmer, blood flows easier. It also helps to encourage the cells to work together in repairing while pulling whatever it can from the blood flowing around the groin area and inside the penis. However, we're doing this for 60 minutes, while we can only limit the amount of time for MOS Red around 15 minutes. At 15 minutes, you're already reaching 35 J/cm^2. That is the clinical and medical recommendation for daily dose of red light therapy. Anything beyond this, you're not getting the benefit of red light therapy BUT will get a diminishing of return. Meaning, it will harm you rather than help you. But what about the remaining 35 to 40 minutes you still have to use the cock ring? This is where we have to experiment what works for you and hoping that MOS Red is enough to keep your blood moving to get the erection you need to get the blood in.

Remember, we're helping your body to get it going one step at a time.

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oldandlively said:

Okay, let's provide clarity to the question being asked, using a hypothetical brother:

The brother does the 5x5x3 routine. All went well. For the post-routine cock ring usage, the blood is introduced to the penis, and the volume achieved 70% to 100% of the erected penis volume. At this point, the penis is not erected. Just the restricted blood volume.

Looking down at the penis, the blood volume being restricted in the penis didn't fill up to the post-pumping erected size. Is this what you're asking? If so, don't worry. As long as you can introduce between 70% to 100% of the blood into the penis as best as you can with the cock ring, that's plenty good. Nothing is wrong. The penile tissues is forcing themself to perform healing by regressing into the smallest form possible. This is what we called "turtling" phase. We force the regression by using "anti-turtling" with the post-pump cock ring restrictive approach. The volume of the blood will not reach the post-pumping expanded volume, unless the penis is full erected under restrictive method, and continue to be erected using kegels to add more blood volume in. This is when you truly see the blood volume at the post-pumping expansion. I do this when my wifes like to have a bit of fun after my pumping session to test out the new expanded size.

Never ever go into constricted approach. It's boreline dangerous, if not flat out dangerous. Constriction approach tends to use anything between 40% to 50% of the normal erection girth and not post pumping. This literally choking and kinking the tissues, nerves, and blood vessels into a smaller circumference.

IF and IF you MUST use constrictive approach by trapping blood in because of issues, you CANNOT allow the penis to go cold with the blood beyond 5 mintues. This is practically clamping territory using a cock ring. Your blood will quickly loses its oxygen content and the incidicator is your penis color is turning purple. This is also blood clotting phases. The longer you trap your blood, you're also introducing the blood cells into stravation phase, and possible cell death. It only happens to a few people, but most healthy people can go up to 30 minutes before this happens. My wife suffered this when she accidentally constricted the blood on her fingers for too long (around 25 minutes) when she was a child and destroyed her fingers. Imagine that but for the penis. In additional to constrict the blood, the cock ring may be too small, causing a kink or overpressized on the nerves and blood vessels. This literally mirrors clamping tissue/nerve/blood vessle damage. Not a good thing to do.

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kriskros said:

@oldandlively have you ever heard of all day cockrings (metal rings) from king rings?

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oldandlively said:

I stayed away from the metal rings type. Sorry to say, but a few of of the patients my wife dealt with came into the ER with the swollen penises trapped in the metal cock rings. Let's say the post-surgeries and post-healing traumas were something for me to reconsidered when looking into purchasing them. Only silicone for me.

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kriskros said:

How much time would you advise someone to wear cockring after 5x5x3 taken Into account that each 10 mins he refreshes and massages penis? For best results.!

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DLD said:

I suggest at least an hour and 3 hours tops. But if you do a second session later in the day is repeat the above to hold that. I would wear all day when I train. Every couple hours I would do a quick session and put back on the ring through the whole day

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kriskros said:

Quick session means just 3-4 ssj's and 1x5 min pump? (Taking into account that you did 5x5x3 a few hours ago) sorry for asking so in details!

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kriskros said:

How much time would you advise someone to wear cockring after 5x5x3 taken Into account that each 10 mins he refreshes and massages penis? For best results.!

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squirt_inducer_man said:

You can do 5X5X3 *2 times, and add some sets on that if you can manage. It's important to understand what our tissue needs.

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oldandlively said:

For me personally, I wear my cock ring up to 3 hours before bed time, with new blood cycling every 5 minutes. If I think I'm about to doze off, everything goes off. I either wear shorts or sweats pants, stick my hands into my pockets, and squeeze the old blood out, and force new blood in. For those who already reached fatigue or have issues with erections, 45 to 60 minutes wearing the cock ring, and do your very best to get new blood in every 10 minutes. It's unsafe, but 10 minutes is quite a long time for blood to pool in one location. Do drink a baby aspirin if you have no medical issue with it. This is the best result you can get to provide your penis the blood to work with in the post pumping expansion.

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kriskros said:

2 routines a day? Omg that's so difficult!!!? Can that bring more results and faster???

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