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atheist4sex;621485 said:

Where did I say Jesus said it was a sin? What I said originally was that Paul and Jesus preached against hedonism, living for physical pleasure. And that it is ironic that this site, a site dedicated to getting a bigger dick (IOW hedonistic) would have religious claptrap. So, try to be more precise about saying what I said, okay?

Now, granted, the proclamations about how terrible the "flesh" is, is more from Paul, not so much from Jesus. Still, you downplay that one quote I gave, in my opinion, only because it supports me, not you. As far as I know, there isn't any dispute among theologians that the "live like a eunuch" quote means to be celibate. It is fair to say that it is disputable as to whom Jesus is recommending this to. But, while the quote is short, the words seem to say it is a general recommendation. Not expected of everybody, of course. But, generally recommended.

The most you can really counter that with is to say it isn't clear. You'd think Jesus, when speaking of something as important as human sexuality, would have been a little more clear, doncha think? Doncha think that if Christ really was God, and the Bible is true, God would have done just a tensy bit better job of explaining things? After all, these things aren't debated just by us here on this site, or just nonbelievers that have trouble understanding. Christians debate all kinds of things, including sexuality.

Most Christian churches teach that all Scripture is god breathed, and equal footing. And scripture interprets scripture. It seems that perhaps DLD doesn't agree with this since he was adamant I find something from Jesus. But, for most Christians, using Paul's writings to clarify or add to what Jesus said is totally fine, scripture interprets scripture. If that is the case, then Paul's teaching on the subject would seem to be worthwhile. Where Paul says he really thinks people should be celibate and only get married if you are just too sinful to avoid sexual pleasure.

I can't help but wonder if DLD wants to avoid going down this route because its not so rosy for him....

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atheist4sex;620441 said:

I do find it rather humorously ironic that there is religious claptrap on a site dedicated to hedonism. You know, sins of the flesh, the kind of thing Paul and Jesus preached against. LOL. Like Paul said that basically sex is bad and you should really just be celibate if at all possible, but, gee, if you are just too sinful and horny, he supposes you might as well get married. As a general rule (with many exceptions of course...) atheists know the Bible better than Christians.

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that is where you said it. or at least where you made it look like you were saying jesus (and paul) said sex was a sin. so you were saying only paul said it?

there a 2 types of religious people and 2 types of non religious people. the first type are the people who are set in their belief and will make it their point to counter debate any comments made opposing their belief even if the comment wasn't directed towards them. just like you did to DLD's video about his beliefs. these people are often times generally ass holes and religion happens to be their thing. if it wasn't they would have something else they were ass holes about. some religious people will make it a point to tell a person how sinful they are and try to convince them how everything is true about their religion while attempting to belittle and make the other person feel stupid for their belief. Their are others like DLD who don't mind what you believe in or don't believe in. now this doesn't mean you're an ass hole. we all are ass holes at some point in time. sometimes we are ass holes when it comes to one topic or one situation.

I have on a few occasions made statements that are the opposite of what DLD believes in but never once once has he said anything trying to convince me I am wrong or saying anything belittling that insulted me or my intelligence. that is because DLD doesn't belong to the first type of religious people. he belongs the 2nd type. the type that truly believe in their religion and may even wish everyone shared that belief for various reasons but is okay with that fact that people don't.

now atheists fit into this same 2 types as well. type 1 - the ones who make it their point to oppose a video like DLD's or type 2 - the ones who don't.

DLD posted a video sharing his belief. he made that video b/c it feels good to share and he wanted to share that with like minded people. i and others who don't believe in his religion who didn't comment (type 2) and you (type 1) who commented "not convinced" and then went on further. did you see DLD’s happiness in the video? see his smile at the beginning? he didn’t post this to try and convince anyone to believe what he believes. you posted to try and do that. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOU HAPPINESS DLD. it is always great when someone does this whether here in the forum or by a stranger walking by me on the street and saying “hello” to me with a big smile on their face.

As far as my ass hole comments go, we have all been ass holes at times and will continue to be. i think type 1 behavior is ass hole behavior. it could be a behavior that is carried out by a person who in general is an awesome person.

atheist4sex;620441 said:

"Judging by your nickname I can see you even joined just to let us know that you are not convinced"

Don't be sili. I have a Penomet. That is why I joined the forum.

"There is nothing to be convinced of"

There are lots of claims in this thread, Jesus loves you, knows what I want and need, will respond to prayers, albeit only vague, non-specific ones (surprise, surprise...) These are claims that I don't believe.

I do find it rather humorously ironic that there is religious claptrap on a site dedicated to hedonism. You know, sins of the flesh, the kind of thing Paul and Jesus preached against. LOL. Like Paul said that basically sex is bad and you should really just be celibate if at all possible, but, gee, if you are just too sinful and horny, he supposes you might as well get married. As a general rule (with many exceptions of course...) atheists know the Bible better than Christians.

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this quote alone is full of belittling remarks. the don't be sili comment. it wasn't sili of zam to say that. of all the threads that are on here about penomet and your for your 2nd or 3rd post you found a thread that hadnt been posted on in 6 weeks and put your type 1 one comment to it. and look at your name...come on. if your name was penometguy4sex then his comment would have been sili.

calling what DLD said "claims" is belittling. they are not claims to him and people who share their beliefs and just b/c you think they are claims doesn't make you right.

same goes for your religious claptrap statement.

there are more belittling comments from you in your other posts as well

as a general rule (with many exceptions of course...atheists (can replace with religious people if wanted, DLD is an exception as are all the other religious members on this site as far as i know) are rude pushing their beliefs on others.

belittling never makes a person look like the smart one

Edit: as zam also said below. I am not against you. We are just not about putting down each other and others beliefs here at MOS.

I absolutely agree with youknowme! The way I see DLD being truly happy in this video just warms my heart! He is NOT trying to convince anyone- he is just stating he believes Jesus loves him and everyone else on Earth. Even if you DON'T believe in what he says- why should you just jump in the discussion trying to pick an argument. To you- he is wrong and to him he is right. And this applies not only for religion- this applies everywhere in life. We have thought and opinion we define as "right" and therefore it is the "correct" one. People should 1st stop being close minded and accept that they can be wrong and then try to argue with whoever out there. I am not "against" you mate, don't feel anything like it- I am just trying to tell you that DLD is a happy man who believes in what he believes and I see no reason why anyone would jump at such a person (whether it be DLD or not) and tell him he is "right" or "wrong". If people are trying to convince someone of something- then I see a reason for you "I am not convinced" comment. But just take a look at the video and tell me don't you see a happy man who feel like he has discovered the reall happiness source of life. I am not saying that I am "right", I am just saying that I personally see no reason why anyone would be offensive enough to make a comment like your to a person who is not trying to convince anyone of anything and is truly happy.

youknowme123321;621556 said:

that is where you said it. or at least where you made it look like you were saying jesus (and paul) said sex was a sin. so you were saying only paul said it?

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I accept that I wasn't completely clear. It is more that at least Paul seemed to preach that sexual pleasure was generally frowned upon. But, acceptable if you are just too sinful to avoid it. I do acknowledge this is much more clear in Paul's writings. From 1 Corinthians 7

Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.
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Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

So, we have the quote by Jesus, that I posted, that is a general recommendation that it is a good idea to be celibate. Then we have from Paul more details, it is better to be celibate. Ideally you should "control yourself" and not touch a woman. I'm really not sure how this could be any more clear that I am correct. It seems to me to be rather cut and dry.

I could go on and quote more from Paul that is more in general about how "flesh" meaning physical pleasures (not just sex...) is bad. But, honestly, this seems to me to be pretty satisfactory to prove my point.

atheist4sex;621639 said:

I accept that I wasn't completely clear. It is more that at least Paul seemed to preach that sexual pleasure was generally frowned upon. But, acceptable if you are just too sinful to avoid it. I do acknowledge this is much more clear in Paul's writings. From 1 Corinthians 7

Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.
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Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

So, we have the quote by Jesus, that I posted, that is a general recommendation that it is a good idea to be celibate. Then we have from Paul more details, it is better to be celibate. Ideally you should "control yourself" and not touch a woman. I'm really not sure how this could be any more clear that I am correct. It seems to me to be rather cut and dry.

I could go on and quote more from Paul that is more in general about how "flesh" meaning physical pleasures (not just sex...) is bad. But, honestly, this seems to me to be pretty satisfactory to prove my point.

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you realize no point has been proven except that you misspoke and that led to people asking you to prove your point. Had you not misspoke no one would have asked you for any information. this all occurred after you began pushing your disbeliefs ("not convince") and beliefs on DLD and this forum. we would have all just wondered why you were "hatin"?

how come you avoid the comments about you being like the overly religious people who shove it down your throat but just with the opposite point/beliefs.

I wonder if you avoid self interpretation, self learning, etc., etc.. you know...not looking at yourself in the mirror type of stuff. I wonder this b/c it is often the issue with those type 1 overly religious people

youknowme123321;621641 said:

you realize no point has been proven

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I demonstrated my point, that the Bible preaches that it is basically a bad thing to want to enjoy sex. That was my point all along and I demonstrated it.

youknowme123321;621641 said:

this all occurred after you began pushing your disbeliefs ("not convince")

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Since when is posting an opinion on a forum "pushing your beliefs"? Did I come knocking on your door handing you a pamplet? What a hypocritical double standard that it is okay for DLD or anybody else to post their opinion if it is pro Christianity, but if I post my counter-opinion, then I'm pushing my beliefs?

Now, it indeed is true that I'm not just an atheist, I'm an anti-theist. Meaning that I believe that religion is ultimately harmful and needs to be opposed. If you say I'm an a-hole, fine, you're not the first person to say that. LOL. But, the bottom line is, you give pro Christian proselytizing a pass, that's okay. But if I post a counter opinion, I'm pushing my beliefs. Hypocrisy plain and simple.

atheist4sex;621683 said:

I demonstrated my point, that the Bible preaches that it is basically a bad thing to want to enjoy sex. That was my point all along and I demonstrated it.



Since when is posting an opinion on a forum "pushing your beliefs"? Did I come knocking on your door handing you a pamplet? What a hypocritical double standard that it is okay for DLD or anybody else to post their opinion if it is pro Christianity, but if I post my counter-opinion, then I'm pushing my beliefs?

Now, it indeed is true that I'm not just an atheist, I'm an anti-theist. Meaning that I believe that religion is ultimately harmful and needs to be opposed. If you say I'm an a-hole, fine, you're not the first person to say that. LOL. But, the bottom line is, you give pro Christian proselytizing a pass, that's okay. But if I post a counter opinion, I'm pushing my beliefs. Hypocrisy plain and simple.

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none of what you posted was your opinion. you posted what you believe to be true. yes you passed out pamphlets at all our doors, metaphorically speaking.

Yes, when you go onto someones thread about something that makes them happy and they believe in and you push your counter beliefs it is being just like one of those pushy religious people. Now had you started your own thread with a video and you showed how happy atheism makes you and said whatever your belief was no one would have cared. the people who agree with you would have come along and agreed with you. And if someone came into the thread and started counter debating you and pushing their beliefs on you, saying that they aren't convinced and other similar things I would have said the same things to them that i said to you. that person would have fit the bill as the pushy religious person that no one likes except for the other pushy religious people. you fit the bill for the pushy atheist person. there was no double standard. no hypocrisy here. just pointing out your poor behavior. and anyone who is a pushy religious person also behaves poorly. the people who knock at my door don't fit the pushy personality b/c they leave nicely and tell me to have a nice day when i say no thank you to them.

I agree with you that religion can have harmful results and lead to ultimately harmful situations. it also leads to exactly the opposite. it is the type of person that leads to the harm being caused. when groups of bad people get together harmful thing happen whether religions is involved or not. it's the people with pushy personalities like yours but who take it to that radical level that harm results. if people would just live peacefully with their beliefs instead of trying to get everyone else to follow suit this world would benefit from it. I co-exist well with all people who don't share my beliefs.

atheist4sex;621683 said:

I demonstrated my point, that the Bible preaches that it is basically a bad thing to want to enjoy sex. That was my point all along and I demonstrated it.

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No, you twisted your point to accommodate your original claims. No one here is wondering if Saint Paul preached against sex as he did, as did Mathew and many other saints. You said, and I quote: "I do find it rather humorously ironic that there is religious claptrap on a site dedicated to hedonism. You know, sins of the flesh, the kind of thing Paul and Jesus preached against." Can you please show where Jesus said this in the Bible...That is all I am asking and I am getting sick and tired of you avoiding the original claim.

doublelongdaddy;621766 said:

No, you twisted your point to accommodate your original claims. No one here is wondering if Saint Paul preached against sex as he did, as did Mathew and many other saints. You said, and I quote: "I do find it rather humorously ironic that there is religious claptrap on a site dedicated to hedonism. You know, sins of the flesh, the kind of thing Paul and Jesus preached against." Can you please show where Jesus said this in the Bible...That is all I am asking and I am getting sick and tired of you avoiding the original claim.

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in post #43 he agreed that he wasn't "clear" after i pointed out in post #41 where he said jesus said sex was a sin. he mispoke. then as you can see in the quote below he just kept going. his only point is to make people who are religious feel they are wrong. feel they are dumb for their beliefs. and most importantly...to be right. the type of atheist he is he will just keep going even though he won't ever be right in the eyes of the religious person he is trying to persuade. just like the religious person that will keep telling an atheist their beliefs and why they are right and the atheist is wrong and going to hell even though the atheist won't change.

It is just a personality type and he latched onto atheism. It is just like the conversation I remember two 11 year old girls having YEEEEAAAARRRS ago. One girl was trying to convince the other girl why the backstreet boys were better then Nsync. kept telling her she was wrong. kept bringing up album sales and stuff. the other girl only said that she liked Nsync better. it was her belief that Nsync was better. she never said why she liked them better. just watched the other girl talk and would say i don't care I like Nsync. just depends what one person believes is true and if that person goes out of their way to make it known. And as a side note i slapped both those little girls and said, "98 degrees for life bitches!!"

atheist4sex;621639 said:

I accept that I wasn't completely clear. It is more that at least Paul seemed to preach that sexual pleasure was generally frowned upon. But, acceptable if you are just too sinful to avoid it. I do acknowledge this is much more clear in Paul's writings. From 1 Corinthians 7

Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.
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Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

So, we have the quote by Jesus, that I posted, that is a general recommendation that it is a good idea to be celibate. Then we have from Paul more details, it is better to be celibate. Ideally you should "control yourself" and not touch a woman. I'm really not sure how this could be any more clear that I am correct. It seems to me to be rather cut and dry.

I could go on and quote more from Paul that is more in general about how "flesh" meaning physical pleasures (not just sex...) is bad. But, honestly, this seems to me to be pretty satisfactory to prove my point.

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doublelongdaddy;621766 said:

No, you twisted your point to accommodate your original claims. No one here is wondering if Saint Paul preached against sex as he did, as did Mathew and many other saints. You said, and I quote: "I do find it rather humorously ironic that there is religious claptrap on a site dedicated to hedonism. You know, sins of the flesh, the kind of thing Paul and Jesus preached against." Can you please show where Jesus said this in the Bible...That is all I am asking and I am getting sick and tired of you avoiding the original claim.

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LOL. I already conceded it was more Paul than Jesus. But Jesus did recommend celibacy, which you keep running from. I'm sick and tired of you dodging this point.

You act as if I'm the only person in the universe to think that Christianity is opposed to sexual pleasure. You do know that has been preached by many churches for centuries, right?

youknowme123321;621740 said:

none of what you posted was your opinion. you posted what you believe to be true.

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LOL!!! You uh, do know that an "opinion" is something someone believes to be true, yes? LOL. Here is from dictionary.com, definition of opinion:

"a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. "

youknowme123321;621740 said:

Yes, when you go onto someones thread about something that makes them happy and they believe in and you push your counter beliefs it is being just like one of those pushy religious people.

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Are you seriously going to try to tell me that had I started a separate thread, a Christian wouldn't have posted something, "you really should reconsider, Jesus loves you and wants you to spend eternigy with him!" Something like that? Really?

Discussion forums are where people express opinions, both agreeing with and disagreeing with the OP. Pick a thread on, say, gun control. Do you think that there should be a thread where only pro gun control posts exists, and a separate thread where only anti-gun control exists? Or would you expect to see a thread where both sides are argued in the same thread.

atheist4sex;621909 said:

LOL!!! You uh, do know that an "opinion" is something someone believes to be true, yes? LOL. Here is from dictionary.com, definition of opinion:

"a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. "



Are you seriously going to try to tell me that had I started a separate thread, a Christian wouldn't have posted something, "you really should reconsider, Jesus loves you and wants you to spend eternigy with him!" Something like that? Really?

Discussion forums are where people express opinions, both agreeing with and disagreeing with the OP. Pick a thread on, say, gun control. Do you think that there should be a thread where only pro gun control posts exists, and a separate thread where only anti-gun control exists? Or would you expect to see a thread where both sides are argued in the same thread.

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you believe what you are saying with complete certainty making it not an opinion. at least that is the way it comes off. if you don't mean it to come off that way then I misunderstood. that is why I said none of what you posted was your opinion. get that? YES? LOL. I appreciate you providing the definition to back up my point.

what do you mean seriously? of course i was serious that is why i said it. a lot of us dont share DLD's beliefs (like me) but no one ever jumped on that thread until you. you are the pushy atheist. no one said forums aren't a place for discussion. yes if a person starts a thread like DLD that is just expressing his happiness found within his religion and did not express any attempt to debate if his religion is true or not it should be left alone like it had been. same things goes for guns. there are threads out there for guns and other topics that are started just for the purpose of discussing pro whatever the topic is. then there are also thread about those same topics meant solely for debate. but when pushy about whatever they support type of people see a thread and they disagree with the topic they feel the need to debate even though that wasn't the purpose of the topic.

i am only showing you how you are a pushy atheist. i am not pro christian or pro atheist in this thread. just don't care for pushy people and try to get them to see what they are doing is unnecessary. There are a lot of threads you can easily find throughout the internet that are meant for the debate you have enjoyed having with thousands of people. below are 2 places dedicated to what you like to do. stop bring your pushiness to threads that were started on happiness.

https://www.facebook.com/christiansversusatheists
Discuss and debate religion

atheist4sex;621907 said:

LOL. I already conceded it was more Paul than Jesus. But Jesus did recommend celibacy, which you keep running from. I'm sick and tired of you dodging this point.

You act as if I'm the only person in the universe to think that Christianity is opposed to sexual pleasure. You do know that has been preached by many churches for centuries, right?

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Where did Jesus preach celibacy? This is the point and the very point you are avoiding. You are really digging yourself in a hole here and you are coming across dishonest and manipulative but then again, you don't believe in sin. I will pray for you my friend.

atheist4sex;621907 said:

LOL. I already conceded it was more Paul than Jesus. But Jesus did recommend celibacy, which you keep running from. I'm sick and tired of you dodging this point.

You act as if I'm the only person in the universe to think that Christianity is opposed to sexual pleasure. You do know that has been preached by many churches for centuries, right?

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now you are talking about jesus preaching celibacy as being your point. we all thought it was your point that jesus said sex was a sin. then you admitted you mispoke and it was paul who said sex was a sin or basically bad. now you are saying that your point was jesus preached celibacy? this is the first i am reading of this being your point. why is you point changing?

doublelongdaddy;621973 said:

Where did Jesus preach celibacy? This is the point and the very point you are avoiding. You are really digging yourself in a hole here and you are coming across dishonest and manipulative but then again, you don't believe in sin. I will pray for you my friend.

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this is an interesting read explaining about people mistaking Jesus' remarriage ban as him preaching celibacy. i knew nothing about this before. he seemed to have only preached against a man leaving his wife and then remarrying and having sex with the new wife. he called that adultery. unless he left his wife b/c she was unfaithful.

For a Lady Pope :: Did Jesus preach celibacy?

youknowme123321;622010 said:

now you are talking about jesus preaching celibacy as being your point. we all thought it was your point that jesus said sex was a sin. then you admitted you mispoke and it was paul who said sex was a sin or basically bad. now you are saying that your point was jesus preached celibacy? this is the first i am reading of this being your point. why is you point changing?

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People change their point when they can no longer support the original point. atheist4sex lost the original argument and now is back pedaling but he needs to remember that forums hold all original words.

Jesus would never see sex as a bad thing, sex is the most beautiful thing the Lord has given us. The ability to create life and to connect with someone we love as one. Why would God look down on sexuality if he created it?

doublelongdaddy;622034 said:

People change their point when they can no longer support the original point. atheist4sex lost the original argument and now is back pedaling but he needs to remember that forums hold all original words.

Jesus would never see sex as a bad thing, sex is the most beautiful thing the Lord has given us. The ability to create life and to connect with someone we love as one. Why would God look down on sexuality if he created it?

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would you agree jesus saw sex as bad with a 2nd wife if you divorced your wife for a reason other then her unfaithfulness? that is what i took from the article i linked

For a Lady Pope :: Did Jesus preach celibacy?

youknowme123321;622042 said:

would you agree jesus saw sex as bad with a 2nd wife if you divorced your wife for a reason other then her unfaithfulness? that is what i took from the article i linked

For a Lady Pope :: Did Jesus preach celibacy?

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I agree that adultery is a sin and sex should be saved for marriage. Once you are married it should be for life unless the woman has been unfaithful or dies. But, it is important to understand that we all sin and no human is perfect. It is not an end all to have sex outside of marriage, Jesus knows we sin and this is why he died for us, so we can go to him with all of our sinfulness and be forgiven. To understand what sexual sins are we need to go to the old testament, here sex is clearly laid out with what is right and wrong. We can also look to the saints for guidance on these issues. Sinfulness is a way to become closer to God. Saint Paul, who is prominent in this thread, committed terrible wrongs before he found Christ, in my opinion it makes him a even better Saint as he can speak on these topics with experience.

had forgot about this thread. I am guessing he realized he is that pushy atheist who brings his debates everywhere he goes even if debate wasn't the purpose of the thread. it is bummer though only b/c i was looking forward to this guy changing his point more.

DLD - do you still get into church when you are in a depressed state like you have been?

whats the purpose of atheism,what are the benefits?

shortdick;625024 said:

whats the purpose of atheism,what are the benefits?

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It is unknown... Both atheists and believers ask the same question- "What is the purpose of this?". There are both PROS and CONS in both atheism and religion, considering religion nowadays is pretty messed up and I think it is nothing like what religion is actually about... Nowadays religion is hte reason for wars, fights and destruction, which is the exactly opposite of what our LORD preaches. We all have our own beliefs and categorize them as "RIGHT" and anything different than our beliefs is categorized "WRONG". trying to convince someone on something is like trying to convince yourself- you both believe you are right and want to prove the other side "WRONG". I think it is useless to have any debate of such matter.

shortdick;625024 said:

whats the purpose of atheism,what are the benefits?

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what is the purpose of religion, what are the benefits?

they are both questions with endless answers that people will argue for hours about and get nowhere