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I'm not religious (agnostic), but I can't fathom how any religion would be against sex. How do you expect your religion to survive if people can't have kids.

Anyways. I looked up the term "eunuch" as there are different definitions it seems back then. It leads to either (in bible terms) a gay man or celibate in nature. I'm also sure there is a contradiction in there to negate both.

atheist4sex;620752 said:

Any other other Bible questions you have?



LOL!!!!

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Yes and why the LOL, you still have not shown me a single verse where Christ speaks against sex, Matthew is not Jesus.

smerc;620786 said:

I'm not religious (agnostic), but I can't fathom how any religion would be against sex. How do you expect your religion to survive if people can't have kids.

Anyways. I looked up the term "eunuch" as there are different definitions it seems back then. It leads to either (in bible terms) a gay man or celibate in nature. I'm also sure there is a contradiction in there to negate both.

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i also found it to mean a man who has been castrated. either by his own choice or it was forced upon him.

Jesus' statements on sexuality

Jesus is recorded as having made only four direct comments that might be interpreted as relating to sexual behavior.

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1. Divorce:

Matthew 5:31-32 states:

"It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." (KJV)

Matthew 19:9 states similarly:

"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." (KJV)

Here, Jesus prohibits divorce, except in a case of sexual misconduct -- "�naked people movies�eia" in the original Greek. Various versions of the Bible have translated "�naked people movies�eia" as as adultery, fornication, unchastity, unfaithfulness or marital unfaithfulness. Jesus here deviated from Jewish law, which said that a man could freely divorce his wife.

Mark 10:11-12 states:

"...Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Luke 16:18 states:

"Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery."


As you can see this have no direct meaning in sex itself they relate mainly to marriage.


Any more questions on the Bible?

youknowme123321;620888 said:

i also found it to mean a man who has been castrated. either by his own choice or it was forced upon him.

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Seen that as well, the dictionary term. That would kind of insinuate that having kids is a bad thing. Unless there is something more deeper then that. Like those dudes went in on a LOT of women just nutting on/in everything w/ no regards to kids. Someone probably came by that had enough and just decided to chop those fuckers clean off, then sold them off as good luck charms. Then a trend was started.

Gold chains and J, what a great combo ehehe

doublelongdaddy;620883 said:

Yes and why the LOL, you still have not shown me a single verse where Christ speaks against sex, Matthew is not Jesus.

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LOL!!!! Technically, you are correct, because I doubt anything that is in any of the Gospels was actually said by any real Jesus. But, the verse in question is, according to Matthew, a quotation of Jesus. I'll include the verse before it:

Matthew 19:11-12
Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Dude, I've had a thousand similar debates with Christians, that go along these lines:

Me: The Bible says 'x'
Christian: It does not!
Me: Here you are, verse ...
Christian: Ah, but if you use my secret decoder ring, you will find it actually doesn't say 'x'

Trust me dude, you have NO chance of winning this debate. And no, it doesn't impress me that you are a minister. You still have NO chance of winning it.

What's your definition of an eunuch? Let's get that out of the way.

It seems you're trying to insinuate that the meaning behind the above is that if you can't reproduce or you/others put it upon yourself to not be able to, that this is somehow correlated to sex being a sin. That would insinuate that having kids was a sin, not sex :s . Having your balls cut off doesn't take you out of the lineup to have sex. You're trying to insinuate something which isn't stated.

choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven

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You would have to determine what choosing to live like an eunuch actually meant. What is their role in the bible is where I'm getting @. I know there are some instances of advocating/mentioning celibacy in regards to serving Christ/ETC, but I don't know enough about it. I guess those instances are pertaining to eunuchs.


Smerc 6:9 states that no oral acts upon men should be done with less than 1 woman.


Once again, I'm not religious nor have ever been.

Smerc 6:9 states that no oral acts upon men should be done with less than 1 woman.:cool:

atheist4sex;620982 said:

LOL!!!! Technically, you are correct, because I doubt anything that is in any of the Gospels was actually said by any real Jesus. But, the verse in question is, according to Matthew, a quotation of Jesus. I'll include the verse before it:

Matthew 19:11-12
Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Dude, I've had a thousand similar debates with Christians, that go along these lines:

Me: The Bible says 'x'
Christian: It does not!
Me: Here you are, verse ...
Christian: Ah, but if you use my secret decoder ring, you will find it actually doesn't say 'x'

Trust me dude, you have NO chance of winning this debate. And no, it doesn't impress me that you are a minister. You still have NO chance of winning it.

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atheist - you still aren't showing where it is said that sex is a sin. you are just showing us something that doesn't support what you are telling us. and you are saying it proves jesus said sex was sin.

How come you aren't explaining how you interpret this to be supportive of your point?

You realize that of the thousands of similar debates you have had that the religious people you have had them with feel they "won" the debate just like you do lol. You are the exact same thing as they are just with the reverse point.

But please explain how what you shared is proof jesus said sex was a sin. b/c right now even the people who aren't religious or christians (like me) aren't agreeing with you b/c you "proof" is lacking.

thank you

atheist4sex;620982 said:

LOL!!!! Technically, you are correct, because I doubt anything that is in any of the Gospels was actually said by any real Jesus. But, the verse in question is, according to Matthew, a quotation of Jesus. I'll include the verse before it:

Matthew 19:11-12
Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Dude, I've had a thousand similar debates with Christians, that go along these lines:

Me: The Bible says 'x'
Christian: It does not!
Me: Here you are, verse ...
Christian: Ah, but if you use my secret decoder ring, you will find it actually doesn't say 'x'

Trust me dude, you have NO chance of winning this debate. And no, it doesn't impress me that you are a minister. You still have NO chance of winning it.

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What does this have to do with sex and sinfulness? You are only digging a deeper hole for yourself. I posted all sexual references and none contain sinfulness in sex quoted by Christ.

senseles arguing,God will judge us all and his words are wiser and deeper, beyond our understanding he loves us all, unfortunately not everybody will be welcomed into his kingdom of heaven...

shortdick;621166 said:

senseles arguing,God will judge us all and his words are wiser and deeper, beyond our understanding he loves us all, unfortunately not everybody will be welcomed into his kingdom of heaven...

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What blows my mind about atheist people is they pray to God in two situations almost in every case, even though they say they don't believe. When they are getting off they cry his name and when they are about to die they pray his name. I pray for all atheist that they find God in time to reap the rewards of His love.

Maybe they will maybe they wont, maybe we will, maybe we wont....But they are ignorant about the wisdom and love God has for us.And we are too ....

doublelongdaddy;621293 said:

When they are getting off they cry his name and when they are about to die they pray his name.

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As far as getting off, "oh God" is a learned expression that means lots of things in different contexts. One of those meanings, in proper context is, "mighty fine cum!" If I say, "damn good BJ baby!" do you think I think the BJ came with a helping of damnation???? If I say, "she's got a hell of a pussy" do you think I think it shoots flames? Christians are so funny!

As far as when about to die, that's actually a Christian myth. We don't.

Let me tell you a story. I was flying in a storm in Venezuela. We lost cabin pressure and the oxygen masks came out. The cabin filled with what was actually fog, but, looked like smoke, you couldn't see 2 feet in front of you. Now, truth be told, I probably wasn't in much actual danger. We had oxygen. But, it certainly felt threatening. I didn't call out to God. I was pretty anxious, but, nope, not call out to God.

Humorously, I was sitting next to a Mormon missionary. Young guy. I had just minutes before the loss of cabin pressure told him that I didn't believe his hogwash. I guess he thought God was coming to get me. LOL.

I'll respond in more detail about the "eunuch" quote later.

atheist4sex;621341 said:

As far as getting off, "oh God" is a learned expression that means lots of things in different contexts. One of those meanings, in proper context is, "mighty fine cum!" If I say, "damn good BJ baby!" do you think I think the BJ came with a helping of damnation???? If I say, "she's got a hell of a pussy" do you think I think it shoots flames? Christians are so funny!

As far as when about to die, that's actually a Christian myth. We don't.

Let me tell you a story. I was flying in a storm in Venezuela. We lost cabin pressure and the oxygen masks came out. The cabin filled with what was actually fog, but, looked like smoke, you couldn't see 2 feet in front of you. Now, truth be told, I probably wasn't in much actual danger. We had oxygen. But, it certainly felt threatening. I didn't call out to God. I was pretty anxious, but, nope, not call out to God.

Humorously, I was sitting next to a Mormon missionary. Young guy. I had just minutes before the loss of cabin pressure told him that I didn't believe his hogwash. I guess he thought God was coming to get me. LOL.

I'll respond in more detail about the "eunuch" quote later.

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atheist - you still aren't showing where it is said that sex is a sin. you are just showing us something that doesn't support what you are telling us. and you are saying it proves jesus said sex was sin.

How come you aren't explaining how you interpret this to be supportive of your point?

You realize that of the thousands of similar debates you have had that the religious people you have had them with feel they "won" the debate just like you do lol. You are the exact same thing as they are just with the reverse point.

But please explain how what you shared is proof jesus said sex was a sin. b/c right now even the people who aren't religious or christians (like me) aren't agreeing with you b/c your "proof" is lacking.

thank you

to tell someone to their face something they believe (no matter what they believe as long as that belief doesn't hurt someone) is hogwash, is rude and worse then the polite jehovah witnesses who have knocked on my door before. Please tell me you realize you are the exact same as an overly religious person who pushes their belief in that religion on people? it's just you have the opposite point.

atheists are just as funny as the christians you mention.

youknowme123321;621344 said:

atheist - you still aren't showing where it is said that sex is a sin. you are just showing us something that doesn't support what you are telling us. and you are saying it proves jesus said sex was sin.

How come you aren't explaining how you interpret this to be supportive of your point?

You realize that of the thousands of similar debates you have had that the religious people you have had them with feel they "won" the debate just like you do lol. You are the exact same thing as they are just with the reverse point.

But please explain how what you shared is proof jesus said sex was a sin. b/c right now even the people who aren't religious or christians (like me) aren't agreeing with you b/c your "proof" is lacking.

thank you

to tell someone to their face something they believe (no matter what they believe as long as that belief doesn't hurt someone) is hogwash is rude and worse then the polite jehovah witnesses who have knocked on my door before. Please tell me you realize you are the exact same as an overly religious person who pushes their belief in that religion on people? it's just you have the opposite point.

atheists are just as funny as the christians you mention.

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Well, I just can't see a point you made that I do not agree with.

atheist4sex;621341 said:

I'll respond in more detail about the "eunuch" quote later.

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Why don't you just respond to where Jesus spoke about sex being a sin, that is what you originally said you would do and you have not done this yet. I have, however, gave you every sexual quote made by Jesus and there is not one word that agrees with your opinion. So lets stop running around avoiding the point, please show me where Jesus states that sex is a sin.

doublelongdaddy;621437 said:

So lets stop running around avoiding the point, please show me where Jesus states that sex is a sin.

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Where did I say Jesus said it was a sin? What I said originally was that Paul and Jesus preached against hedonism, living for physical pleasure. And that it is ironic that this site, a site dedicated to getting a bigger dick (IOW hedonistic) would have religious claptrap. So, try to be more precise about saying what I said, okay?

Now, granted, the proclamations about how terrible the "flesh" is, is more from Paul, not so much from Jesus. Still, you downplay that one quote I gave, in my opinion, only because it supports me, not you. As far as I know, there isn't any dispute among theologians that the "live like a eunuch" quote means to be celibate. It is fair to say that it is disputable as to whom Jesus is recommending this to. But, while the quote is short, the words seem to say it is a general recommendation. Not expected of everybody, of course. But, generally recommended.

The most you can really counter that with is to say it isn't clear. You'd think Jesus, when speaking of something as important as human sexuality, would have been a little more clear, doncha think? Doncha think that if Christ really was God, and the Bible is true, God would have done just a tensy bit better job of explaining things? After all, these things aren't debated just by us here on this site, or just nonbelievers that have trouble understanding. Christians debate all kinds of things, including sexuality.

Most Christian churches teach that all Scripture is god breathed, and equal footing. And scripture interprets scripture. It seems that perhaps DLD doesn't agree with this since he was adamant I find something from Jesus. But, for most Christians, using Paul's writings to clarify or add to what Jesus said is totally fine, scripture interprets scripture. If that is the case, then Paul's teaching on the subject would seem to be worthwhile. Where Paul says he really thinks people should be celibate and only get married if you are just too sinful to avoid sexual pleasure.

I can't help but wonder if DLD wants to avoid going down this route because its not so rosy for him....

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