Wrapping and turtling

[JakeThePeg]

Hey all,

First time posting on MoS - but first PEing about 15 yrs ago on and off with small gains. Now it’s time to take it seriously (finally have the opportunity) and am starting with the initial manual version of SRT. I’m probably not able to train with equipment (including a BathMate I already have) for a few months still though.

I’ve started wrapping, but some meds I’m on cause really severe turtling when they kick in that can last a few hours or all day (also making it difficult to tell if the body is pushing back on training). When this happens the glans will either succeed in shrinking back into the wrap, or rub on the wrap as it tries to, causing irritation and pain (especially when sitting down).

Has anyone come up against this before and found something that works? Main objective seems to be keeping the glans from rubbing on the wrap…

Thanks!

 

[JakeThePeg]

One quick follow up please.. how many times around should the Theraband wrap? A 12” piece might go around 2-3 times - is that ok or should it be cut?

 

[DLD]

Twice should be fine. If you still need more go three times.

 

[JakeThePeg]

Twice should be fine. If you still need more go three times.

Thank you!

 

[DLD]

Thank you!

Always my brother

 

[Nokdown]

Found a good way to wrap that keeps it elongated but tip feels cold. I can pee though. Is it bad that tip is cold? I know the blood flow is key in heeling so. If I can pee good, it should be good correct?? Want to keep it as elongated as possible.
Thanks

 

[oldandlively]

Found a good way to wrap that keeps it elongated but tip feels cold. I can pee though. Is it bad that tip is cold? I know the blood flow is key in heeling so. If I can pee good, it should be good correct?? Want to keep it as elongated as possible.
Thanks

If your penis feels cold, the blood flow is low. Squeeze the blood out, get partial erection, relax the erection. The positive blood pressure will encourage the continuation of the blood flow.

 

[barnyowl]

If I do LM3 for an hour daily, should I keep my penis wrapped with an ACE bandage throughout the day (from when i wake up, to when i sleep) to prevent or reduce turtling?

 

[oldandlively]

If I do LM3 for an hour daily, should I keep my penis wrapped with an ACE bandage throughout the day (from when i wake up, to when i sleep) to prevent or reduce turtling?

Correct. The main issues after using any extension or pumping device is the turtling or shrinkage because the body attempts to preserve itself back to the original conditions, or the minimal conditions. Wrapping reduces and prevent that from happening, forcing the penis to remain in the newer level of normalcy.

 

[barnyowl]

So essentially to maximize gains, keep my penis wrapped in a sleeve the whole day ? Even if I do my training at night ? Sorry if I sound repetitive. Just want to make sure I understood correctly.

 

[oldandlively]

So essentially to maximize gains, keep my penis wrapped in a sleeve the whole day ? Even if I do my training at night ? Sorry if I sound repetitive. Just want to make sure I understood correctly.

It's not repetitive at all. It's gaining clarity. So, let's break things down a bit:

To maximize length gains on a continual basis, you need an extender, or ACE bandage. Extender is adjustable on various tension level, from 0g of traction force up to 5kg (based on the spring sets). You want to maintain the constant traction force at 1.1kg or so, especially after the LM3 routines.

To prevent or maintain the flaccid penis from shrinking to take advantage of the flaccid length state, rather than letting the penis looking like a smal little mushroom, you soft-wrap or use the softer sleeves to prevent the penis from turtling. This will force the penis to adapt to its new relaxed state for flaccid condition. It will shrink in when the temperature is too cold or there's a major injury to the penile shaft. But on normal condition, the penis will return back to the new normal flaccid state, looking nice and long rather than small and shrunken. Soft wrapping and using soft sleeves is for this purpose.

HOWEVER, if you want constant low level gains, either use the extender, the ACE bandage, or hard sleeves like the DuroSleev to force the penis to constantly be under traction load starting at 600g and upward to 1.1kg (~2.5lbs max). This is where the true lengthening gains are maximized using low level traction force.

 

[barnyowl]

It's not repetitive at all. It's gaining clarity. So, let's break things down a bit:

To maximize length gains on a continual basis, you need an extender, or ACE bandage. Extender is adjustable on various tension level, from 0g of traction force up to 5kg (based on the spring sets). You want to maintain the constant traction force at 1.1kg or so, especially after the LM3 routines.

To prevent or maintain the flaccid penis from shrinking to take advantage of the flaccid length state, rather than letting the penis looking like a smal little mushroom, you soft-wrap or use the softer sleeves to prevent the penis from turtling. This will force the penis to adapt to its new relaxed state for flaccid condition. It will shrink in when the temperature is too cold or there's a major injury to the penile shaft. But on normal condition, the penis will return back to the new normal flaccid state, looking nice and long rather than small and shrunken. Soft wrapping and using soft sleeves is for this purpose.

HOWEVER, if you want constant low level gains, either use the extender, the ACE bandage, or hard sleeves like the DuroSleev to force the penis to constantly be under traction load starting at 600g and upward to 1.1kg (~2.5lbs max). This is where the true lengthening gains are maximized using low level traction force.

Thanks @oldandlively, this gives me the clarity I was needing.

My penis has been very shrunken as of late, I been doing more BTC stretches. You had mentioned injury, I don't feel any pain for me, and my erections are pretty normal. Should i be concerned about an injury though ?

 

[oldandlively]

My penis has been very shrunken as of late, I been doing more BTC stretches. You had mentioned injury, I don't feel any pain for me, and my erections are pretty normal. Should i be concerned about an injury though ?

Cementing through injuries using low traction level is perfectly fine. There are two levels of injuries rather than the normal three: micro injuries during PE routines while recovery, and moderate injuries during recovery since we can't separate the phases of injuries when the penis is at its normal health. The penis will always be constantly on moderate injury recovery mode until it's fully heal.

In your case, the injuries you are coming out of is considered as moderate injury. Adding micro injuries will force the body to constantly heal itself. Like you have done so, go easy little by little and not go crazy. Slowly increase the traction tension while staying well below the prior injury traction load. Let's say you injured at 15lbs, slowly train back up like a newbie from square one, at max out any traction load at 1/3 the injury value until 6 to 8 months later. That means you cap at 5lbs. Once 6 to 8 months later, slowly go up 0.5lb every 2 to 3 weeks, and cap at 1/2 level for anoher 2 months, or even 4 months. It's to test the water to see if you are actually fully healed. Then slowly go up from there.

 

[barnyowl]

Cementing through injuries using low traction level is perfectly fine. There are two levels of injuries rather than the normal three: micro injuries during PE routines while recovery, and moderate injuries during recovery since we can't separate the phases of injuries when the penis is at its normal health. The penis will always be constantly on moderate injury recovery mode until it's fully heal.

In your case, the injuries you are coming out of is considered as moderate injury. Adding micro injuries will force the body to constantly heal itself. Like you have done so, go easy little by little and not go crazy. Slowly increase the traction tension while staying well below the prior injury traction load. Let's say you injured at 15lbs, slowly train back up like a newbie from square one, at max out any traction load at 1/3 the injury value until 6 to 8 months later. That means you cap at 5lbs. Once 6 to 8 months later, slowly go up 0.5lb every 2 to 3 weeks, and cap at 1/2 level for anoher 2 months, or even 4 months. It's to test the water to see if you are actually fully healed. Then slowly go up from there.

Thank you @oldandlively, very informative, and very helpful

 

[barnyowl]

@oldandlively curious , is it advisable to wear a sleeve while sleeping? I tend to do my session before I go to bed.

 

[oldandlively]

@oldandlively curious , is it advisable to wear a sleeve while sleeping? I tend to do my session before I go to bed.

As long as it's loose enough to let the blood flow without hindrance. If there is no friction between the bottom of the glans and the sleeve, the foreskin will slip as the penis shrinks in girth size. A soft layer of TheraBand or flexible bandage can prevent the slippage issues. Never cause the over tightness between the sleeve and the penile shaft and cause blood stagnation.

 

[barnyowl]

As long as it's loose enough to let the blood flow without hindrance. If there is no friction between the bottom of the glans and the sleeve, the foreskin will slip as the penis shrinks in girth size. A soft layer of TheraBand or flexible bandage can prevent the slippage issues. Never cause the over tightness between the sleeve and the penile shaft and cause blood stagnation.

Thanks , will follow this suggestion.

 

[barnyowl]

Hey @oldandlively, I woke up, and applied coconut oil on my penis, and wrapped my penis with the adhesive wrap. After leaving the gym, i noticed a shrinking despite the wrapping. Do I need to wrap more layers, or wrap tighter ?

I pulled my flaccid penis as long as I can, and I wrapped. I know a better solution is using the durosleeve from the shop. But would like to work with what I can get locally, or what I have at home.

 

[oldandlively]

Hey @oldandlively, I woke up, and applied coconut oil on my penis, and wrapped my penis with the adhesive wrap. After leaving the gym, i noticed a shrinking despite the wrapping. Do I need to wrap more layers, or wrap tighter ?

Let's determine if the shrinkage is girthwise or length wise from the wrap.

If you have a shrinkage girthwise, that's quite normal. The penis was not meant to be more than 60% of the girth size naturally. Over time, girth will remain the same similar to erected size during the long PE journey.

Lengthwise, if there's a retraction because the body needs to conserve its energy in keeping the penis at a longer state, see if your wrap is too loose, or the wrapping wall is too thin/soft in preventing the retraction. Here's an example. If you're using the soft flexible bandage, one or two layers may be too weak. Unlike the ACE bandage, which is very hard and firm, the flexible bandage may need a third or fourth layer to maximize the rigidity. Then, if you wrap it too weakly, where the bandage huges the penile shaft way too loosely, the soft tissues will overcome the soft bandage, or even the soft sleeve, rigidity, causing the shrinkage. There must be a balance of rigidity and looseness to allow blood flow.

I pulled my flaccid penis as long as I can, and I wrapped. I know a better solution is using the durosleeve from the shop. But would like to work with what I can get locally, or what I have at home.

Rather than playing tug of war with the DuroSleev to slide it over the penis, try to play with what you have first. In the past, we use ultra thin wall plastic pipe or tube with our wraps. Works ultra well. Nowadays, there are tons of options, from silicone finger sleeves, to penile sleeves, all the way to various wraps. Think outside the box for the wrap needs. If you have leftover neoprene materials, use that long with the wraps. Works nicely with ACE Bandage and flexible bandage as well. If you like to be a crafter, using old toilet paper or paper towel tubes will do just as good in terms of a rigid spine. Again, think outside of the box.

 

[barnyowl]

@oldandlively got it, will take this into consideration. Appreciate that

Clarifying question, when doing the LM3 1 hour a day, and when turtling occurs, this is essentially the body trying to fight back, to retain its old size.

When we apply the sleeve, we are trying to maximize gains by adapting to the new elongated size. So we essentially have to keep our penis elongated through out the day to ensure we are doing our due diligence gaining the length from the LM3 session ?

Is that understanding correct ?

By not using a sleeve, or any other form of penile extending usage throughout the day, and only just doing one hour of LM3. We will essentially gain slower ?

 

[oldandlively]

Clarifying question, when doing the LM3 1 hour a day, and when turtling occurs, this is essentially the body trying to fight back, to retain its old size.

Correct. Think of your entire body just want to relax and contracts after a hard day of work, walking all day, hard workout at the gym, or even after lifting something beyond the body's normal means of support. When your penis goes past the normal supporting range, it will shrink, turtle, or become a hermit inside your body to save itself. Over time, the penis will not do this as it finally recognize the "new normal".

When we apply the sleeve, we are trying to maximize gains by adapting to the new elongated size. So we essentially have to keep our penis elongated through out the day to ensure we are doing our due diligence gaining the length from the LM3 session ?

Correct. This is to introduce the "new normal" after stressing the penis. Two benefits come about: long flaccid new normal state, and cellular growths to achieve gains after the LM3 and other lengthening/girth routines. After the newbie transition period, the longer the penis is under traction force, the better. Wrapping may be less than the nominal traction force of 600g, but it helps to keep the penis elongated enough to help the penis to get to the flaccid length new normal. I prefer any kind of traction after workout to take advantage of the micro gains.

Is that understanding correct ?

Yes, and yes.

By not using a sleeve, or any other form of penile extending usage throughout the day, and only just doing one hour of LM3. We will essentially gain slower ?

Correct. You still get some gains, but the gains is much slower than keeping the penis elongated and under traction. Soft tissues are not like hard skeletal tissues. Soft tissues required constant stretching, especially the internal ligamentary tissues like the tunica and septum. Once you cause fatigues on them, keep them stretched and take advantage of what you've already done with the LM3. Otherwise, you only get 1 hour of the stretches, and the body will try to repair everything back to normal. You gain little by little without post routine elongation, but not as much as when you keep them stretched afterwards. The longer the traction tension after softening up the tissues, the better and faster you can gain.

Just an analogy to think about: a very thick rubber band. If you stretch a rubber band, the rubber band will stretch, but it will return back to its original formed shape. When you stretch that rubber band beyond its original form limit, you create micro tears in the structures. It loosen up over time, but it will take a while. Now, do the same stretches for the rubber band past its limit. BUT now, you keep it stretched at half the stretching strength all day long. The rubber band already suffered micro tears in the structure, but now, with the constant stretches, the micro tears accelerate to larger tears. That is your soft tissues under tension. The rubber band will elongate faster than just stretching without post routine traction.

 

[barnyowl]

Thank you @oldandlively this is very helpful, hope this will be useful for anyone else experiencing this during their PE journey.

Great analogy btw.

Much respect to your time writing this

 

[Nokdown]

Hey @oldandlively, I woke up, and applied coconut oil on my penis, and wrapped my penis with the adhesive wrap. After leaving the gym, i noticed a shrinking despite the wrapping. Do I need to wrap more layers, or wrap tighter ?

I pulled my flaccid penis as long as I can, and I wrapped. I know a better solution is using the durosleeve from the shop. But would like to work with what I can get locally, or what I have at home.

Use theraband behind the gland first and then wrap. If you use a sleeve don’t use coconut oil, or use very little as it affects the strength of the silicone. Makes it very flimsy