Wrapping and turtling

Hey all,

First time posting on MoS - but first PEing about 15 yrs ago on and off with small gains. Now it’s time to take it seriously (finally have the opportunity) and am starting with the initial manual version of SRT. I’m probably not able to train with equipment (including a BathMate I already have) for a few months still though.

I’ve started wrapping, but some meds I’m on cause really severe turtling when they kick in that can last a few hours or all day (also making it difficult to tell if the body is pushing back on training). When this happens the glans will either succeed in shrinking back into the wrap, or rub on the wrap as it tries to, causing irritation and pain (especially when sitting down).

Has anyone come up against this before and found something that works? Main objective seems to be keeping the glans from rubbing on the wrap…

Thanks!
 
Found a good way to wrap that keeps it elongated but tip feels cold. I can pee though. Is it bad that tip is cold? I know the blood flow is key in heeling so. If I can pee good, it should be good correct?? Want to keep it as elongated as possible.
Thanks
 
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Found a good way to wrap that keeps it elongated but tip feels cold. I can pee though. Is it bad that tip is cold? I know the blood flow is key in heeling so. If I can pee good, it should be good correct?? Want to keep it as elongated as possible.
Thanks
If your penis feels cold, the blood flow is low. Squeeze the blood out, get partial erection, relax the erection. The positive blood pressure will encourage the continuation of the blood flow.
 
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If I do LM3 for an hour daily, should I keep my penis wrapped with an ACE bandage throughout the day (from when i wake up, to when i sleep) to prevent or reduce turtling?
 
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If I do LM3 for an hour daily, should I keep my penis wrapped with an ACE bandage throughout the day (from when i wake up, to when i sleep) to prevent or reduce turtling?

Correct. The main issues after using any extension or pumping device is the turtling or shrinkage because the body attempts to preserve itself back to the original conditions, or the minimal conditions. Wrapping reduces and prevent that from happening, forcing the penis to remain in the newer level of normalcy.
 
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So essentially to maximize gains, keep my penis wrapped in a sleeve the whole day ? Even if I do my training at night ? Sorry if I sound repetitive. Just want to make sure I understood correctly.
 
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So essentially to maximize gains, keep my penis wrapped in a sleeve the whole day ? Even if I do my training at night ? Sorry if I sound repetitive. Just want to make sure I understood correctly.

It's not repetitive at all. It's gaining clarity. So, let's break things down a bit:

To maximize length gains on a continual basis, you need an extender, or ACE bandage. Extender is adjustable on various tension level, from 0g of traction force up to 5kg (based on the spring sets). You want to maintain the constant traction force at 1.1kg or so, especially after the LM3 routines.

To prevent or maintain the flaccid penis from shrinking to take advantage of the flaccid length state, rather than letting the penis looking like a smal little mushroom, you soft-wrap or use the softer sleeves to prevent the penis from turtling. This will force the penis to adapt to its new relaxed state for flaccid condition. It will shrink in when the temperature is too cold or there's a major injury to the penile shaft. But on normal condition, the penis will return back to the new normal flaccid state, looking nice and long rather than small and shrunken. Soft wrapping and using soft sleeves is for this purpose.

HOWEVER, if you want constant low level gains, either use the extender, the ACE bandage, or hard sleeves like the DuroSleev to force the penis to constantly be under traction load starting at 600g and upward to 1.1kg (~2.5lbs max). This is where the true lengthening gains are maximized using low level traction force.
 
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It's not repetitive at all. It's gaining clarity. So, let's break things down a bit:

To maximize length gains on a continual basis, you need an extender, or ACE bandage. Extender is adjustable on various tension level, from 0g of traction force up to 5kg (based on the spring sets). You want to maintain the constant traction force at 1.1kg or so, especially after the LM3 routines.

To prevent or maintain the flaccid penis from shrinking to take advantage of the flaccid length state, rather than letting the penis looking like a smal little mushroom, you soft-wrap or use the softer sleeves to prevent the penis from turtling. This will force the penis to adapt to its new relaxed state for flaccid condition. It will shrink in when the temperature is too cold or there's a major injury to the penile shaft. But on normal condition, the penis will return back to the new normal flaccid state, looking nice and long rather than small and shrunken. Soft wrapping and using soft sleeves is for this purpose.

HOWEVER, if you want constant low level gains, either use the extender, the ACE bandage, or hard sleeves like the DuroSleev to force the penis to constantly be under traction load starting at 600g and upward to 1.1kg (~2.5lbs max). This is where the true lengthening gains are maximized using low level traction force.

Thanks @oldandlively, this gives me the clarity I was needing.

My penis has been very shrunken as of late, I been doing more BTC stretches. You had mentioned injury, I don't feel any pain for me, and my erections are pretty normal. Should i be concerned about an injury though ?
 
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My penis has been very shrunken as of late, I been doing more BTC stretches. You had mentioned injury, I don't feel any pain for me, and my erections are pretty normal. Should i be concerned about an injury though ?

Cementing through injuries using low traction level is perfectly fine. There are two levels of injuries rather than the normal three: micro injuries during PE routines while recovery, and moderate injuries during recovery since we can't separate the phases of injuries when the penis is at its normal health. The penis will always be constantly on moderate injury recovery mode until it's fully heal.

In your case, the injuries you are coming out of is considered as moderate injury. Adding micro injuries will force the body to constantly heal itself. Like you have done so, go easy little by little and not go crazy. Slowly increase the traction tension while staying well below the prior injury traction load. Let's say you injured at 15lbs, slowly train back up like a newbie from square one, at max out any traction load at 1/3 the injury value until 6 to 8 months later. That means you cap at 5lbs. Once 6 to 8 months later, slowly go up 0.5lb every 2 to 3 weeks, and cap at 1/2 level for anoher 2 months, or even 4 months. It's to test the water to see if you are actually fully healed. Then slowly go up from there.
 
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Cementing through injuries using low traction level is perfectly fine. There are two levels of injuries rather than the normal three: micro injuries during PE routines while recovery, and moderate injuries during recovery since we can't separate the phases of injuries when the penis is at its normal health. The penis will always be constantly on moderate injury recovery mode until it's fully heal.

In your case, the injuries you are coming out of is considered as moderate injury. Adding micro injuries will force the body to constantly heal itself. Like you have done so, go easy little by little and not go crazy. Slowly increase the traction tension while staying well below the prior injury traction load. Let's say you injured at 15lbs, slowly train back up like a newbie from square one, at max out any traction load at 1/3 the injury value until 6 to 8 months later. That means you cap at 5lbs. Once 6 to 8 months later, slowly go up 0.5lb every 2 to 3 weeks, and cap at 1/2 level for anoher 2 months, or even 4 months. It's to test the water to see if you are actually fully healed. Then slowly go up from there.
Thank you @oldandlively, very informative, and very helpful 🙂
 
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@oldandlively curious 🤔, is it advisable to wear a sleeve while sleeping? I tend to do my session before I go to bed.

As long as it's loose enough to let the blood flow without hindrance. If there is no friction between the bottom of the glans and the sleeve, the foreskin will slip as the penis shrinks in girth size. A soft layer of TheraBand or flexible bandage can prevent the slippage issues. Never cause the over tightness between the sleeve and the penile shaft and cause blood stagnation.
 
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As long as it's loose enough to let the blood flow without hindrance. If there is no friction between the bottom of the glans and the sleeve, the foreskin will slip as the penis shrinks in girth size. A soft layer of TheraBand or flexible bandage can prevent the slippage issues. Never cause the over tightness between the sleeve and the penile shaft and cause blood stagnation.
Thanks 🙏, will follow this suggestion.
 
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Hey @oldandlively, I woke up, and applied coconut oil on my penis, and wrapped my penis with the adhesive wrap. After leaving the gym, i noticed a shrinking despite the wrapping. Do I need to wrap more layers, or wrap tighter ?

I pulled my flaccid penis as long as I can, and I wrapped. I know a better solution is using the durosleeve from the shop. But would like to work with what I can get locally, or what I have at home.
 
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Hey @oldandlively, I woke up, and applied coconut oil on my penis, and wrapped my penis with the adhesive wrap. After leaving the gym, i noticed a shrinking despite the wrapping. Do I need to wrap more layers, or wrap tighter ?

Let's determine if the shrinkage is girthwise or length wise from the wrap.

If you have a shrinkage girthwise, that's quite normal. The penis was not meant to be more than 60% of the girth size naturally. Over time, girth will remain the same similar to erected size during the long PE journey.

Lengthwise, if there's a retraction because the body needs to conserve its energy in keeping the penis at a longer state, see if your wrap is too loose, or the wrapping wall is too thin/soft in preventing the retraction. Here's an example. If you're using the soft flexible bandage, one or two layers may be too weak. Unlike the ACE bandage, which is very hard and firm, the flexible bandage may need a third or fourth layer to maximize the rigidity. Then, if you wrap it too weakly, where the bandage huges the penile shaft way too loosely, the soft tissues will overcome the soft bandage, or even the soft sleeve, rigidity, causing the shrinkage. There must be a balance of rigidity and looseness to allow blood flow.

I pulled my flaccid penis as long as I can, and I wrapped. I know a better solution is using the durosleeve from the shop. But would like to work with what I can get locally, or what I have at home.

Rather than playing tug of war with the DuroSleev to slide it over the penis, try to play with what you have first. In the past, we use ultra thin wall plastic pipe or tube with our wraps. Works ultra well. Nowadays, there are tons of options, from silicone finger sleeves, to penile sleeves, all the way to various wraps. Think outside the box for the wrap needs. If you have leftover neoprene materials, use that long with the wraps. Works nicely with ACE Bandage and flexible bandage as well. If you like to be a crafter, using old toilet paper or paper towel tubes will do just as good in terms of a rigid spine. Again, think outside of the box.
 
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@oldandlively got it, will take this into consideration. Appreciate that 😌

Clarifying question, when doing the LM3 1 hour a day, and when turtling occurs, this is essentially the body trying to fight back, to retain its old size.

When we apply the sleeve, we are trying to maximize gains by adapting to the new elongated size. So we essentially have to keep our penis elongated through out the day to ensure we are doing our due diligence gaining the length from the LM3 session ?

Is that understanding correct ?

By not using a sleeve, or any other form of penile extending usage throughout the day, and only just doing one hour of LM3. We will essentially gain slower ?
 
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Clarifying question, when doing the LM3 1 hour a day, and when turtling occurs, this is essentially the body trying to fight back, to retain its old size.

Correct. Think of your entire body just want to relax and contracts after a hard day of work, walking all day, hard workout at the gym, or even after lifting something beyond the body's normal means of support. When your penis goes past the normal supporting range, it will shrink, turtle, or become a hermit inside your body to save itself. Over time, the penis will not do this as it finally recognize the "new normal".

When we apply the sleeve, we are trying to maximize gains by adapting to the new elongated size. So we essentially have to keep our penis elongated through out the day to ensure we are doing our due diligence gaining the length from the LM3 session ?

Correct. This is to introduce the "new normal" after stressing the penis. Two benefits come about: long flaccid new normal state, and cellular growths to achieve gains after the LM3 and other lengthening/girth routines. After the newbie transition period, the longer the penis is under traction force, the better. Wrapping may be less than the nominal traction force of 600g, but it helps to keep the penis elongated enough to help the penis to get to the flaccid length new normal. I prefer any kind of traction after workout to take advantage of the micro gains.

Is that understanding correct ?

Yes, and yes.

By not using a sleeve, or any other form of penile extending usage throughout the day, and only just doing one hour of LM3. We will essentially gain slower ?

Correct. You still get some gains, but the gains is much slower than keeping the penis elongated and under traction. Soft tissues are not like hard skeletal tissues. Soft tissues required constant stretching, especially the internal ligamentary tissues like the tunica and septum. Once you cause fatigues on them, keep them stretched and take advantage of what you've already done with the LM3. Otherwise, you only get 1 hour of the stretches, and the body will try to repair everything back to normal. You gain little by little without post routine elongation, but not as much as when you keep them stretched afterwards. The longer the traction tension after softening up the tissues, the better and faster you can gain.

Just an analogy to think about: a very thick rubber band. If you stretch a rubber band, the rubber band will stretch, but it will return back to its original formed shape. When you stretch that rubber band beyond its original form limit, you create micro tears in the structures. It loosen up over time, but it will take a while. Now, do the same stretches for the rubber band past its limit. BUT now, you keep it stretched at half the stretching strength all day long. The rubber band already suffered micro tears in the structure, but now, with the constant stretches, the micro tears accelerate to larger tears. That is your soft tissues under tension. The rubber band will elongate faster than just stretching without post routine traction.
 
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Hey @oldandlively, I woke up, and applied coconut oil on my penis, and wrapped my penis with the adhesive wrap. After leaving the gym, i noticed a shrinking despite the wrapping. Do I need to wrap more layers, or wrap tighter ?

I pulled my flaccid penis as long as I can, and I wrapped. I know a better solution is using the durosleeve from the shop. But would like to work with what I can get locally, or what I have at home.
Use theraband behind the gland first and then wrap. If you use a sleeve don’t use coconut oil, or use very little as it affects the strength of the silicone. Makes it very flimsy
 
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Is it good to pump while healing……. To create more blood flow for good healing while wrapped of course!
Definitely, but if you've already pumped for the day and you just want to get some good blood flow simply pumped lighter and you can do this for the rest of year career 💪
 
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Yeah I won’t pump more than once a day
I'm not saying pump once a day. What i'm saying is, when you pump for girth, go full force, but if you want to continue that blood flow, you want to go very light while you pump.
 
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Curious 🤔, is it overtraining if your keeping your penis elogonated all day, along with an hour of LM3 a day ?

No. It's a wrap to keep it loosely but elongated in a relaxed state. You are not placing it in a traction load. Under traction load greater than 600g, that's when you start pushing it into an elongation state, stressing the tissues. Anything less, it's a matching state when your penile tissues are erected at a normal excited condition.
 
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No. It's a wrap to keep it loosely but elongated in a relaxed state. You are not placing it in a traction load. Under traction load greater than 600g, that's when you start pushing it into an elongation state, stressing the tissues. Anything less, it's a matching state when your penile tissues are erected at a normal excited condition.
Got it thanks for the insight.
 
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Mainly focused on the length due to the rigidity of the sleeve's wall. It also helps with the flaccid's length. However, a sleeve cutout to act like a band at the base of the penis can help to sustain post girth exercises expansion.
When you say it helps with the flaccid length, does that mean daily use using the sleeve, the flaccid length will increase / eventually adapt to the sleeves elogonated length, would that be fair to say ?
 
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I'm not saying pump once a day. What i'm saying is, when you pump for girth, go full force, but if you want to continue that blood flow, you want to go very light while you pump.
When you say bundle to the left btc, you mean twisting penis left and then to the right correct?
 
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Correct. Bundling is the act of twisting your entire penile shaft in one direction while stretching, and perform the same angle of twist and the same pulling strength for the other direction.
Can you explain the step by step healing process? I understand hurtling but I just want to know exactly what is happening during healing. Sometimes it’s hard flaccid and turtles. Healing is critical in gains and I wat to gauge when I can exercise again and how long I should wait. Thanks
 
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Can you explain the step by step healing process? I understand hurtling but I just want to know exactly what is happening during healing. Sometimes it’s hard flaccid and turtles. Healing is critical in gains and I wat to gauge when I can exercise again and how long I should wait. Thanks

Let's bring the biological perspectives into the discussion, with the so-called hard flaccid symptoms and turtling into the picture.

Let's say on the normal day, you're performing a common PE routine such as the newbie exercise routines. 5 to 7 exercises, normal manual work with the hands, light to moderate tension. In a biogical world, 1kg (or 2.2lbs) of traction force is enough to initiate cellular damage. Your penis has a normal tensile strength without cellular damage around 500g (~1.1lbs). It's designed to have a temporary 2kg to 2.5kg of sudden stress load without permanent damage. This where the accidental cowgirl position causes the penis to "bend" or "shift" in a wrong direction. In PE, we progressively induce stress load from 0.5kg to no more than 5kg, with a ~225g of incremental traction load every 3 to 5 weeks. This is to toughen up the tissues, ligaments, nerves, and blood vessels by programming the body about the incoming stress loads. This is where the newbie routines prepares the penile tissues as a preconditioning stage, and once you pass that preconditioning stage, you enter into the intermediate stage and beyond. If you rest too long, you restart with the newbie routine to get back into the latter stages. There's no quick way around it unless you want injuries.

Now, for the healing phases. Let's say you've done your newbie routines, follows the guidelines of wrapping up your penis with a low traction starting at 600g to 900g of traction all day long, your cells are damaged lightly, and continuously to be damaged lightly. Anything greater than that 500g, there's a slow breakage of cells but not as fast. The cells start to break more uniformly around 1kg of traction force compared to the 600g to 900g. As the cell walls break, new cell walls are quickly repaired within that 60 seconds. At 600g to 900g, the cell wall breakages is slower, allowing the body to deliver resources to the cells without taxing out the available resources. At 1kg, the cell wall are breaking faster, and there may not be enough resources to help the cells to heal properly.

At this point, there are only two options when the cells break. The broken cells either heal by using the available resources or scavenge the resources around them from the other broken cells. Most cells are around 1 micron in size. By healing themselves with available resources, they restore back to the 10 micrometers size. By stealing the other cells' components and healing themselves, their size increase as large as 50 micrometers. Keep this in mind as we go on.

During the rest phase, if you don't wrap up, the penis is under stress and it turtles back into the body to rest so it can heal up with burning up the resources. That means all the damaged cells and the gaps created by the missing cells become compressed. This is where the feeling of the hard flaccid comes in. Everything is pulled down and compressed into a smaller, collapsed space. New cells cannot be generated to fill in the gap because of the compression. When you wrap, the structure of the penis is beings stretched out, forcing the broken gaps with the missing cells to create voids. The body's natural defense is to heal and seal the voids to prevent foreign attacks through the gaps. Cell division can occur within the hour or within the 24 hours period. By keeping the gaps from collapsing, new cells fill in those voids/gaps as quickly as they can. This depends on your body to handle new cell divisions according to your current health conditions and vitality. You can't expect an equal cell divisions on a health a person to be exactly the same as a sickly person.

The wrapping can be at 500g of traction just to keep the cell refill the new gaps, OR, you can wear an extender/stretcher to keep the traction at 1kg. At 1kg after the routine, cells continue to break down, repair, and divide. The higher the traction load, the more gaps are created. The more gaps, the more cells required to divide to fill the gaps. The more cells to fill, the faster the growth. Again, it's all dependent on your health and vitality. This is why after every PE length routine, we encourage to wrap or wear the extender/stretcher to encourage cell divisions for faster growth.

Cells are not the only thing we're focusing on. The same goes for the ligaments, or referenced as the tunica. Think of the tunica and septum like stretchable and reformable odd shape honey comb meshes. When one part of the mesh breaks down during stress load, we want to keep the mesh nice and straight while the new biological resources repair the damaged mesh. This is where the new growths being.

Let's stop here. Its getting long. If you're unclear about any part, let me know. If you want me to get into the deeper details, I'll give you more info. Of course, AI engines on the Internet will give you heftier complex search results to read through as well.
 
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Let's bring the biological perspectives into the discussion, with the so-called hard flaccid symptoms and turtling into the picture.

Let's say on the normal day, you're performing a common PE routine such as the newbie exercise routines. 5 to 7 exercises, normal manual work with the hands, light to moderate tension. In a biogical world, 1kg (or 2.2lbs) of traction force is enough to initiate cellular damage. Your penis has a normal tensile strength without cellular damage around 500g (~1.1lbs). It's designed to have a temporary 2kg to 2.5kg of sudden stress load without permanent damage. This where the accidental cowgirl position causes the penis to "bend" or "shift" in a wrong direction. In PE, we progressively induce stress load from 0.5kg to no more than 5kg, with a ~225g of incremental traction load every 3 to 5 weeks. This is to toughen up the tissues, ligaments, nerves, and blood vessels by programming the body about the incoming stress loads. This is where the newbie routines prepares the penile tissues as a preconditioning stage, and once you pass that preconditioning stage, you enter into the intermediate stage and beyond. If you rest too long, you restart with the newbie routine to get back into the latter stages. There's no quick way around it unless you want injuries.

Now, for the healing phases. Let's say you've done your newbie routines, follows the guidelines of wrapping up your penis with a low traction starting at 600g to 900g of traction all day long, your cells are damaged lightly, and continuously to be damaged lightly. Anything greater than that 500g, there's a slow breakage of cells but not as fast. The cells start to break more uniformly around 1kg of traction force compared to the 600g to 900g. As the cell walls break, new cell walls are quickly repaired within that 60 seconds. At 600g to 900g, the cell wall breakages is slower, allowing the body to deliver resources to the cells without taxing out the available resources. At 1kg, the cell wall are breaking faster, and there may not be enough resources to help the cells to heal properly.

At this point, there are only two options when the cells break. The broken cells either heal by using the available resources or scavenge the resources around them from the other broken cells. Most cells are around 1 micron in size. By healing themselves with available resources, they restore back to the 10 micrometers size. By stealing the other cells' components and healing themselves, their size increase as large as 50 micrometers. Keep this in mind as we go on.

During the rest phase, if you don't wrap up, the penis is under stress and it turtles back into the body to rest so it can heal up with burning up the resources. That means all the damaged cells and the gaps created by the missing cells become compressed. This is where the feeling of the hard flaccid comes in. Everything is pulled down and compressed into a smaller, collapsed space. New cells cannot be generated to fill in the gap because of the compression. When you wrap, the structure of the penis is beings stretched out, forcing the broken gaps with the missing cells to create voids. The body's natural defense is to heal and seal the voids to prevent foreign attacks through the gaps. Cell division can occur within the hour or within the 24 hours period. By keeping the gaps from collapsing, new cells fill in those voids/gaps as quickly as they can. This depends on your body to handle new cell divisions according to your current health conditions and vitality. You can't expect an equal cell divisions on a health a person to be exactly the same as a sickly person.

The wrapping can be at 500g of traction just to keep the cell refill the new gaps, OR, you can wear an extender/stretcher to keep the traction at 1kg. At 1kg after the routine, cells continue to break down, repair, and divide. The higher the traction load, the more gaps are created. The more gaps, the more cells required to divide to fill the gaps. The more cells to fill, the faster the growth. Again, it's all dependent on your health and vitality. This is why after every PE length routine, we encourage to wrap or wear the extender/stretcher to encourage cell divisions for faster growth.

Cells are not the only thing we're focusing on. The same goes for the ligaments, or referenced as the tunica. Think of the tunica and septum like stretchable and reformable odd shape honey comb meshes. When one part of the mesh breaks down during stress load, we want to keep the mesh nice and straight while the new biological resources repair the damaged mesh. This is where the new growths being.

Let's stop here. Its getting long. If you're unclear about any part, let me know. If you want me to get into the deeper details, I'll give you more info. Of course, AI engines on the Internet will give you heftier complex search results to read through as well.
Thank you brother. Good stuff!
 
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Let's bring the biological perspectives into the discussion, with the so-called hard flaccid symptoms and turtling into the picture.

Let's say on the normal day, you're performing a common PE routine such as the newbie exercise routines. 5 to 7 exercises, normal manual work with the hands, light to moderate tension. In a biogical world, 1kg (or 2.2lbs) of traction force is enough to initiate cellular damage. Your penis has a normal tensile strength without cellular damage around 500g (~1.1lbs). It's designed to have a temporary 2kg to 2.5kg of sudden stress load without permanent damage. This where the accidental cowgirl position causes the penis to "bend" or "shift" in a wrong direction. In PE, we progressively induce stress load from 0.5kg to no more than 5kg, with a ~225g of incremental traction load every 3 to 5 weeks. This is to toughen up the tissues, ligaments, nerves, and blood vessels by programming the body about the incoming stress loads. This is where the newbie routines prepares the penile tissues as a preconditioning stage, and once you pass that preconditioning stage, you enter into the intermediate stage and beyond. If you rest too long, you restart with the newbie routine to get back into the latter stages. There's no quick way around it unless you want injuries.

Now, for the healing phases. Let's say you've done your newbie routines, follows the guidelines of wrapping up your penis with a low traction starting at 600g to 900g of traction all day long, your cells are damaged lightly, and continuously to be damaged lightly. Anything greater than that 500g, there's a slow breakage of cells but not as fast. The cells start to break more uniformly around 1kg of traction force compared to the 600g to 900g. As the cell walls break, new cell walls are quickly repaired within that 60 seconds. At 600g to 900g, the cell wall breakages is slower, allowing the body to deliver resources to the cells without taxing out the available resources. At 1kg, the cell wall are breaking faster, and there may not be enough resources to help the cells to heal properly.

At this point, there are only two options when the cells break. The broken cells either heal by using the available resources or scavenge the resources around them from the other broken cells. Most cells are around 1 micron in size. By healing themselves with available resources, they restore back to the 10 micrometers size. By stealing the other cells' components and healing themselves, their size increase as large as 50 micrometers. Keep this in mind as we go on.

During the rest phase, if you don't wrap up, the penis is under stress and it turtles back into the body to rest so it can heal up with burning up the resources. That means all the damaged cells and the gaps created by the missing cells become compressed. This is where the feeling of the hard flaccid comes in. Everything is pulled down and compressed into a smaller, collapsed space. New cells cannot be generated to fill in the gap because of the compression. When you wrap, the structure of the penis is beings stretched out, forcing the broken gaps with the missing cells to create voids. The body's natural defense is to heal and seal the voids to prevent foreign attacks through the gaps. Cell division can occur within the hour or within the 24 hours period. By keeping the gaps from collapsing, new cells fill in those voids/gaps as quickly as they can. This depends on your body to handle new cell divisions according to your current health conditions and vitality. You can't expect an equal cell divisions on a health a person to be exactly the same as a sickly person.

The wrapping can be at 500g of traction just to keep the cell refill the new gaps, OR, you can wear an extender/stretcher to keep the traction at 1kg. At 1kg after the routine, cells continue to break down, repair, and divide. The higher the traction load, the more gaps are created. The more gaps, the more cells required to divide to fill the gaps. The more cells to fill, the faster the growth. Again, it's all dependent on your health and vitality. This is why after every PE length routine, we encourage to wrap or wear the extender/stretcher to encourage cell divisions for faster growth.

Cells are not the only thing we're focusing on. The same goes for the ligaments, or referenced as the tunica. Think of the tunica and septum like stretchable and reformable odd shape honey comb meshes. When one part of the mesh breaks down during stress load, we want to keep the mesh nice and straight while the new biological resources repair the damaged mesh. This is where the new growths being.

Let's stop here. Its getting long. If you're unclear about any part, let me know. If you want me to get into the deeper details, I'll give you more info. Of course, AI engines on the Internet will give you heftier complex search results to read through as well.

Let's bring the biological perspectives into the discussion, with the so-called hard flaccid symptoms and turtling into the picture.

Let's say on the normal day, you're performing a common PE routine such as the newbie exercise routines. 5 to 7 exercises, normal manual work with the hands, light to moderate tension. In a biogical world, 1kg (or 2.2lbs) of traction force is enough to initiate cellular damage. Your penis has a normal tensile strength without cellular damage around 500g (~1.1lbs). It's designed to have a temporary 2kg to 2.5kg of sudden stress load without permanent damage. This where the accidental cowgirl position causes the penis to "bend" or "shift" in a wrong direction. In PE, we progressively induce stress load from 0.5kg to no more than 5kg, with a ~225g of incremental traction load every 3 to 5 weeks. This is to toughen up the tissues, ligaments, nerves, and blood vessels by programming the body about the incoming stress loads. This is where the newbie routines prepares the penile tissues as a preconditioning stage, and once you pass that preconditioning stage, you enter into the intermediate stage and beyond. If you rest too long, you restart with the newbie routine to get back into the latter stages. There's no quick way around it unless you want injuries.

Now, for the healing phases. Let's say you've done your newbie routines, follows the guidelines of wrapping up your penis with a low traction starting at 600g to 900g of traction all day long, your cells are damaged lightly, and continuously to be damaged lightly. Anything greater than that 500g, there's a slow breakage of cells but not as fast. The cells start to break more uniformly around 1kg of traction force compared to the 600g to 900g. As the cell walls break, new cell walls are quickly repaired within that 60 seconds. At 600g to 900g, the cell wall breakages is slower, allowing the body to deliver resources to the cells without taxing out the available resources. At 1kg, the cell wall are breaking faster, and there may not be enough resources to help the cells to heal properly.

At this point, there are only two options when the cells break. The broken cells either heal by using the available resources or scavenge the resources around them from the other broken cells. Most cells are around 1 micron in size. By healing themselves with available resources, they restore back to the 10 micrometers size. By stealing the other cells' components and healing themselves, their size increase as large as 50 micrometers. Keep this in mind as we go on.

During the rest phase, if you don't wrap up, the penis is under stress and it turtles back into the body to rest so it can heal up with burning up the resources. That means all the damaged cells and the gaps created by the missing cells become compressed. This is where the feeling of the hard flaccid comes in. Everything is pulled down and compressed into a smaller, collapsed space. New cells cannot be generated to fill in the gap because of the compression. When you wrap, the structure of the penis is beings stretched out, forcing the broken gaps with the missing cells to create voids. The body's natural defense is to heal and seal the voids to prevent foreign attacks through the gaps. Cell division can occur within the hour or within the 24 hours period. By keeping the gaps from collapsing, new cells fill in those voids/gaps as quickly as they can. This depends on your body to handle new cell divisions according to your current health conditions and vitality. You can't expect an equal cell divisions on a health a person to be exactly the same as a sickly person.

The wrapping can be at 500g of traction just to keep the cell refill the new gaps, OR, you can wear an extender/stretcher to keep the traction at 1kg. At 1kg after the routine, cells continue to break down, repair, and divide. The higher the traction load, the more gaps are created. The more gaps, the more cells required to divide to fill the gaps. The more cells to fill, the faster the growth. Again, it's all dependent on your health and vitality. This is why after every PE length routine, we encourage to wrap or wear the extender/stretcher to encourage cell divisions for faster growth.

Cells are not the only thing we're focusing on. The same goes for the ligaments, or referenced as the tunica. Think of the tunica and septum like stretchable and reformable odd shape honey comb meshes. When one part of the mesh breaks down during stress load, we want to keep the mesh nice and straight while the new biological resources repair the damaged mesh. This is where the new growths being.

Let's stop here. Its getting long. If you're unclear about any part, let me know. If you want me to get into the deeper details, I'll give you more info. Of course, AI engines on the Internet will give you heftier complex search results to read through as well.
I tend to fall asleep with it wrapped often. And I wake up to take it off cause I have that morning wood action. But because I have theraband on the blood flow doesn’t really get to the tip and that’s why I take it off!! Does this have a negative affect because theraband blocks flow somewhat?? Otherwise should I make sure to take off wrap before sleeping??
 
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I tend to fall asleep with it wrapped often.

I can say around 80% of us went through that. As long as your wrap doesn't cut off any blood circulation, you're golden. It will take a bit of a learning curve to find the sweet spot for accidental napping while wrapping.

And I wake up to take it off cause I have that morning wood action.

Yep. Happens more often than you think. Worst yet, midday woods when you see or think about something that's stimulating. The pain can be more embarrassing than worrisome since you don't know how to remove the wrapping in the middle of the crowd.

But because I have theraband on the blood flow doesn’t really get to the tip and that’s why I take it off!! Does this have a negative affect because theraband blocks flow somewhat??

The TheraBand should be covering the entire length of the penile shaft. Use the TheraBand as the starting and ending point to promote traction for the rest of the wrap. If you're using the TheraBand for the entire penile shaft, wrap it more loosely for the areas that don't need the traction such as the base of the glans and the base of the penis.

Otherwise should I make sure to take off wrap before sleeping??

If you're wrapping while going to sleep, the method for that is "loosely" wrapping the penis simply to keep the penis from turtling. Tight wrapping is meant for promoting traction more than 600g of traction force, or known as the poor man's tool of the trade. There's no issue with that. But if you're plan to tightly wrap before going to sleep, don't. It's better to sleep without the tight wrap. Loosely, yes, but with caution. Always find a way to wrap to prevent blood stagnation. You need that blood to circulate while remaining elongated.
 
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I can say around 80% of us went through that. As long as your wrap doesn't cut off any blood circulation, you're golden. It will take a bit of a learning curve to find the sweet spot for accidental napping while wrapping.



Yep. Happens more often than you think. Worst yet, midday woods when you see or think about something that's stimulating. The pain can be more embarrassing than worrisome since you don't know how to remove the wrapping in the middle of the crowd.



The TheraBand should be covering the entire length of the penile shaft. Use the TheraBand as the starting and ending point to promote traction for the rest of the wrap. If you're using the TheraBand for the entire penile shaft, wrap it more loosely for the areas that don't need the traction such as the base of the glans and the base of the penis.



If you're wrapping while going to sleep, the method for that is "loosely" wrapping the penis simply to keep the penis from turtling. Tight wrapping is meant for promoting traction more than 600g of traction force, or known as the poor man's tool of the trade. There's no issue with that. But if you're plan to tightly wrap before going to sleep, don't. It's better to sleep without the tight wrap. Loosely, yes, but with caution. Always find a way to wrap to prevent blood stagnation. You need that blood to circulate while remaining elongated.
You’re telling me I need to put theraband on the whole shaft when wrapping?? I saw the wrapping video and it only shows folding it a few times at an inch width and putting it just behind the head and then use an ace wrap on the rest of the shaft!! I’m pretty sure you told me this. My technique is pretty good, there’s still good blood flow but there is a slight draw back…..it’s not full traction though but I can pee good and never gets uncomfortable. Am I losing gains by not having absolute full traction though???
 
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