Why chicks date douche bags?

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I came to the theory that all chicks not just the hotties will go for a douche. You just only notice the hotties cause your not attracted to the average chicks. something i learned is not to judge a book by its cover. Most people come from some sort of a broken home.thats why some of you guys need to figure out as much as possible about a chick before stared a relationship.(Example:if a chicks had a bad relationship with her dad she will NEVER EVER trust a men on matter how good he is.) Back to the topic chicks will date guys who remind them of the people who gave them so much pain. Dont know why but thats how it is. I will use a chick i knew as a example her mom would drink and smoke and do other shit and the chick would always say"I will be nothing like her when i grow up". Sadly she turned into a clown of her mom. Another thing I noticed as some chicks live for changing bad pick guys into marriage material just so they can prove everybody wrong who called them idiots for picking that guy. Again dont know how to crack the code on chicks but no men EVER will be able to crack that code.
 
I know the answer here but to save me writting [I'm lazy tonight and head fucked] I will be SO KIND to you and link here one of David DeAngelo's e-books on the 8 types of personalities that attract women and why. The knob heads you refer to are incl in that but dont worry because not all women do that and the e-book explains more succesful men and why they are attractive. If you want to go deeper than look at the women herself and why she wants to date a fucking cunt. Danger? shes bored? hard good sex? fun? protection? who knows and to be honest fuck them all for being silly bitches, sorry that sounds terrible but mate I have worn the shirt, been abused and spat at so to the curb to women like that and come to me the ones that deserve it.

http://zuchknot.googlepages.com/The8PersonalityTypesthatNaturallyAtt.pdf
 
women don't want a nice guy. The shit you see in movies is well... shit. Women want a challenge. They want a guy they can try turn into a nice guy. I aint talking bout a asshole, but a bad boy that aint no pushover. Feel me? Ive ran thru tons of bitches like red lights. Lots of dudes will tell you they fucked SO MANY broads, yada yada. A lot of it they just talk. Take it from me, dont b.s. EVER. On anything. Thats how the mind of women work...
 
I disagree here as you cant generalise all females to act like that, and they dont! you do get some who like to heal 'bad' boys but its not the whole story, far from it and more appealing to younger naive teenage girls than a proper women.
 
I mean, even proper women Reds. I been with like a half dozen "housewives" or whateva you call them. THe married bitch that doesn't fuck with her husband. They all mature and shit, but when I ran game to them, they dig that shit. But dont get me wrong, I can't pull every women on this planet, no one can. I definetely failed with a lot of other housewives.
 
the housewives thing you just said goes for every older person male or female. People don't fell like they still got it when they get older so these housewives fell like their on cloud 9 when you shower them with complements. Their not falling for your game they know exactly what on your mind but they will accept all the praise you give them cause they want to know if they still got it.
 
Yes but not all housewives will drop their knickers for some cocksure punk who has dipped in almost everything apart from cow shit at the local farm. Quite allot of older guys here happily married and I bet many of their wives wouldnt dream of being such sluts. Sure women like this exist, that is for certain but do not generalise and almost stamp a seal on the arse of all the females around. Women who do cheat like that, wives only do so not because of the drip who has thought he is a casanova haha more like a fucking cowboy who will get his ass kicked if the husband finds out, but because she is UNHAPPY IN HER MARRIAGE and alas she would stray anyway and I do actually agree with something here in that you say as they mature its nice to get someone young give them a compliment so they know they still ''got it'' but again doesnt mean most women will jump on your cock or want to have sex with you, utter trash unless where you both come from is the most morally low place on earth where women fuck for the sake of a fuck haha.
 
REDZULU2003;343464 said:
Yes but not all housewives will drop their knickers for some cocksure punk who has dipped in almost everything apart from cow shit at the local farm. Quite allot of older guys here happily married and I bet many of their wives wouldnt dream of being such sluts. Sure women like this exist, that is for certain but do not generalise and almost stamp a seal on the arse of all the females around. Women who do cheat like that, wives only do so not because of the drip who has thought he is a casanova haha more like a fucking cowboy who will get his ass kicked if the husband finds out, but because she is UNHAPPY IN HER MARRIAGE and alas she would stray anyway and I do actually agree with something here in that you say as they mature its nice to get someone young give them a compliment so they know they still ''got it'' but again doesnt mean most women will jump on your cock or want to have sex with you, utter trash unless where you both come from is the most morally low place on earth where women fuck for the sake of a fuck haha.
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Fuckin A man! i agree with you. i especially like this part of your reply "Yes but not all housewives will drop their knickers for some cocksure punk who has dipped in almost everything apart from cow shit at the local farm." hahahah thats hilarious...goodway of puttin it.
 
Naw. Women are attracted to bad boys that's a fact. Older too. MAybe yall gettin the wrong definition of a "bad boy". A bad boy aint a jerk, he don't treat women like shit, but rather when it comes down to it, don't put up with women b.s. A boy boy aint a convict who done a 10 year bid either. Bad boys stir womens emotions. All women are built on emotions. The bad boy persona is just a "part" of the whole package. Along with being the bad boy (who treats women like a little brat, but still treating her as a lady), there is MUCH MUCH more to the game.

Take the typical movie for example. The jerk got the hot ass chick. (which I assume yall think is the bad boy) The nice guy comes along and tries to steal the women's heart with kiss ass affection. Eventually the broad leaves the jerk for the nice guy.

The point being, the "bad boy" is a BALANCE of the two. He is neither a jerk or a nice guy. He never at the extreme of either of these two. The bad boy has a balance of the two. Yall feel me?
 
To back shit up from my previous post, the bad boy aint a bank robber, car jacker, etc. And again, the "bad boy" image is just a piece of the pie.
 
Still its a huge generalisation to make that all women are attracted to such types. All that stuff by David DeAngelo isnt 100% fact either and I know he says the same type of stuff your writing here but in the REAL world its not always like he says it is. From many women I have dated and from my own psychological observations the whole ''bad boy'' thing got worn out years ago. Now to me someone to aspire to be like is like my old South African mate who is a real alpha male but is classy, gentleman and doesnt sleep about either. He treats all with respect, a family man, happy guy and careing but he's firm when he needs to be and confident. The guy knows he has power and can use it anytime but never wields it because he is a true man, that for me is more attractive than some ''bad boy'' and yes I know what the bad boy is from your explanations. Lastly guys like David DeAngelo know stuff, for sure and it helps but they aint the gospel and everything they say is FACT ... use logic to think for yourself and ask if hes SO GOOD than that means he can have anywomen he wants? complete bullshit because more to it than simply methods most of you seem to think about. One night stands and quick shags are 10 a penny for christ sakes but a REAL LOVEING relashionship, have you even felt love and had one from a real great girl? probably not and once you do she wouldnt look twice at the bad boys because she would be in a happy relashionship, something else you havent mentioned ... if someone aint happy than they want something to fill the void and those bored wives who are not happy and inclined to cheat, will do so with anyone they wish .. not bad boys.
 
REDZULU2003;343523 said:
Still its a huge generalisation to make that all women are attracted to such types. All that stuff by David DeAngelo isnt 100% fact either and I know he says the same type of stuff your writing here but in the REAL world its not always like he says it is. From many women I have dated and from my own psychological observations the whole ''bad boy'' thing got worn out years ago. Now to me someone to aspire to be like is like my old South African mate who is a real alpha male but is classy, gentleman and doesnt sleep about either. He treats all with respect, a family man, happy guy and careing but he's firm when he needs to be and confident. The guy knows he has power and can use it anytime but never wields it because he is a true man, that for me is more attractive than some ''bad boy'' and yes I know what the bad boy is from your explanations. Lastly guys like David DeAngelo know stuff, for sure and it helps but they aint the gospel and everything they say is FACT ... use logic to think for yourself and ask if hes SO GOOD than that means he can have anywomen he wants? complete bullshit because more to it than simply methods most of you seem to think about. One night stands and quick shags are 10 a penny for christ sakes but a REAL LOVEING relashionship, have you even felt love and had one from a real great girl? probably not and once you do she wouldnt look twice at the bad boys because she would be in a happy relashionship, something else you havent mentioned ... if someone aint happy than they want something to fill the void and those bored wives who are not happy and inclined to cheat, will do so with anyone they wish .. not bad boys.
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Who is David Deangelo? Is he on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]? Anyway, Reds, no man can have any women he wants. Point blank. There too many circumstances involved. So yea, really there is no SOLID fullproof persona that a man can use. You talked about "alpha", and yes that is a HUUUGGEE persona. It's BIGGER then the bad boy persona. But alpha is a natural thing. It is VERY hard to be alpha if you aint born with it. I aint sayin it aint possible to get there, but it takes a lot of effort. Yea, point blank, women want ALPHA males and if I was to tell you that probly be the best quality to have, but you can't buy that shit or steal it. And you right, if a women is in a committed and loved relationship she aint gonna cheat. THey mostly wont. If they love em that much. But I'm saying to you this, IF A MAN GOT MORE GAME THEN THE HUSBAND/BOYFRIEND, he HAS the abililty to game that women out her relationship. Even if that relationship is rock solid, that man can bring to her emotions that the regular guy can't.

Say this, the african dude you talking bout. Just throwin out a example out there. He's married with kids, his wife LOVES him to death, they both love each other etc. Say the bad boy comes along, starts gaming his women. The bad boy got an advantage the husband don't. He can STIR MORE EMOTIONS then the husband can. The women feels all these emotions at the same time, really she dont know how to go bout it. Those emotions would include danger, happy, adventure, excitement, and to top it off, they also feel that clear and present danger that the ability to ruin the marriage is there. When youy mix in all these emotions on a women at the same time, they LUST to feel it. THey aint sure if they like it or not, but I'm tellin you straight up, they WANT to feel it.

So yea, married women can proclaim they aint attracted to bad boys, but thats because they havent been gamed by one. ONce they feel it, they will know. Women aint built on logic (I think thats the word?) they built on emotions like that. So if I was to game a women in a loving committed relationship, I could guarantee, I could snatch her up. Not sayin everyone of them, but I could turn some out.

By the way Reds, I never felt love... cuz I"m a player. :);)
 
IF A MAN GOT MORE GAME THEN THE HUSBAND/BOYFRIEND, he HAS the abililty to game that women out her relationship. Even if that relationship is rock solid, that man can bring to her emotions that the regular guy can't.
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I strongly disagree here and anyman who does that is a lowlife piece of shit who will get whats comming to him oneday!

You say your a player ;) granted where you are, US I assume? but get that ass somewhere else and play the game and I bet you will be played by women who really know the game and despise guys like you, so they play the shit outta them rofl A player can only play for so long buddy until he or she meets a match and you cannot play the game, remember that because oneday your heart or maybe nose will be broken by someone when you least expect it ;)
 
REDZULU2003;343605 said:
I strongly disagree here and anyman who does that is a lowlife piece of shit who will get whats comming to him oneday!

You say your a player ;) granted where you are, US I assume? but get that ass somewhere else and play the game and I bet you will be played by women who really know the game and despise guys like you, so they play the shit outta them rofl A player can only play for so long buddy until he or she meets a match and you cannot play the game, remember that because oneday your heart or maybe nose will be broken by someone when you least expect it ;)
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Don't hate the player Reds, hate the game. See real players know, and they accept it, when a women is taken from them. So if my women gets picked up by another dude, shit I charge that to the game. Shit might have phased me 15 years ago but not now. Matter fact, props to the muthafucka for having more game then me to be able to steal my bitch.

Female players? Those gold diggers Reds... I aint even gettin into them. I smell them from 6 miles away, regardless, I don't fuck with em. Anyway I believe a man is weak if he tries to come at another guy over a women. I personally believe its pathetic. Dudes figthing over a chick... I mean, whatever, if thats what they wanna do I could give a care less. But coming at me for it? Shit muthafuckas like me don't use fists....

But again, I'm just putting that out there...
 
Some people aint ment to be players, they naturally just want one women. I respect that. But shit aint me. Shit, if you find true love I don't envy any of that shit. Good for you. Just that for me, it aint my lifestyle...

Shit I'm 33 years old, got no kids, no worries about child support, raising kids, dealing with marriage, etc. Guess that's why I got money to spend :)rofl
 
Ithiel, you hit the nail on the head there. I know this is my first post here, because I've registered a long time and never made use to my introduction, or anything. But, I was in the case of the OP for a long time. Been through this through high-school and late teens. Twenty-three now. During these years I didn't really understand it. I've always been the nice-guy, but remain the push-over in certain relationships. It's hard when you do all these things for women, and end-up with them ending it with a," You're a nice guy, but I think we should be friends. " You really want this girl, but she pretty much,"played," you into a game & you fell for it.


When you think about it. The world is pretty much full of players and manipulation. You can't really get passed it. Corporations play the customers into buying their products. The government manipulates the military branches into their sort of game-plan. Same can be said for the elements of our earth as well. Everyone plays everyone into something. Realizing this is simple and it's been infront of me for so long.


Some may deem Ithiel's methods as mysgnostic, but it's the truth in rare-form. I've always believed into the movie standard of relationships. It's all fiction in a sense. We believe the nice-guy will always get the girl, but in reality, the bad-boy/interesting guy who takes chances, or doesn't give a shit always seem to get it.


I'll tell you the truth. I've never had sex. I'm a virgin, but I'm telling the truth. Most guys don't, but I'll never tell a girl, because of the fact of embarrassment. I have a pretty big-dick as well ( Almost to 8 and a half inch BPenis EnlargementL ), but what would that do if I don't use it? Everyday after work I've always wondered why.


But one day, It struck me as a revelation like I've never imagined. I allowed my race to get in the way ( black, bi-racial dad & black mother ), and everything else in my life. Always felt self-conscious about myself and never the least confident. But when it struck me, It did! Women don't want nice-guys! Nice-guys are only used for marriage in my opinion ( the expression: nice guys finish last come in affect. ) A nice-guy is for a woman who's spread her wild-oats and want to settle down. It's a slap in the face in my honest opinion. It's playing into the game.


You may say some women aren't like that and," Badboy/Alpha males are jerks horrible. " I stopped this behavior. In myself, I'm suBathmateitting to the,"nice-guy," syndrome and doing what men should do. This is in our nature to be an alpha-male type of interesting guy. I've always seemed to keep myself from being that type of image, because I've always thought women don't want that. An Alpha-male is neither a one type of guy ( I.E; jerks, bad boys, or even nice-guys. ) An alpha-male is interesting and keeps the woman interested. He gives off value to her and keeps his position up of the ladder.


This is what we've been for thousands of years. It's attraction in a sense. Not talking about the males who have a god-complex/clingy boyfriend, or date. That leads to abusive relationships. Who would want a guy like that really? Being interesting is playing on the emotions of the woman a little. Giving a challenge. Hey! They do the same to us, but why not we do it back? Teasing and negging her on her looks. Showing disinterest and the ladder. Pushing her away if she gets too close. Getting her number, calling her out for lunch and then going with friends to the bar or something.


Making her go out to places that'll embarrass her. Being cocky and funny. Those are the things that's been around for so long and we tend to push them aside. No wonder why was I so boring. Now I see it and will get out of this way and start doing what's been given to me.
 
Wanted to continue it a little....

I have lost some weight as well and changed my whole eating habits ( eating whole foods, drinking more water, and being less stressed plus exercising ). The shyness is fading away, but not really quick. I'm still kind of afraid of approaching some women, but if I go up to more women just doing little conversations it'll probably go away forever.


In all sense, women love confident/cocky/funny men. I plan to have all of these things, but leaving the douchebaggery out of the equation. Douche-bags and jerks have these bad boy/alpha male qualities like I listed, but lets face it, they're douche-bags and jerks.
 
I will tell you why you often see girls with douche bags.

Women are turned on and are drawn to things that effect them emotionally. Women rely on emotions more so that logic.
Sounds sexist but thats how the truth goes.

A girl will keep going back to the same douche bag because he knows how to turn her on emotionally.
 
All good points and good posts. Here's a generalization that I think we can all agree with. Women respond to how well you make them feel about themselves one, and two the way you make them feel when they are around YOU. Remember that the behavior you exhibit creates a emotion in a woman, whether its you intention or not, it's created. A bad boy, as we like to call it is just a guy who is "exciting, fun, lives, on the edge, doesn't give a shit about what everybody thinks.....but that's just ONE emotion trail, which is why most women don't stick around with bad boys. Not all, but many are one trick ponies....they create very similar emotions which for a confident women, will become boring and mundane. Women will sometimes stick around for the challenge, but eventually even that begins to bore her.

Women need emotional variety, they need to be taken on a ride....... excite her, make her feel incredible, keep her guessing, and when you fuck her, devour her! The more emotional variety you give a women, the more intense, and the deeper you allow her to feel her OWN LIFE, her own self in that very moment, the more attached and interested she will become.

There's the wonderful illusion out there that all women want bad boys, and pricks. Total bullshit. Women want to FEEL their lives and they want to feel like the man they are with will help them. The so called bad boy creates this incredible mystery and interest for them....it allows them to feel excitement, passion, longing, desire, and challenge.

I've got to say this. You want to learn real game? Talk to the guys that have been married for 10 or more years who have 2-3 kid and still come home each night and their hot ass wives drop to their knees and begs for it every night. Those are the guys with game. What's more difficult? Running some basic patterns, lines, and ideals on a woman you just met, all so you can demonstrate some temporary value to get laid? She thinks you are fantastic because you just did something 98% of them men out there don't do. Congrats, you get laid. Or the guy who has SUSTENANCE, real value. The guy she's seen walking around in his underwear, who leaves his socks laying around, and his shit everywhere, and she can't keep her hands off him. Someone he's made her world exciting for 10 years, not 2-3 hours. She feels alive around him, like she can be anything she wants around him, a dirty slut or an incredible mother. He creates emotional variety in her life, massive sexual tension, and he can sense what frame of mind she's in.....what she needs in that very moment. Because he stays PRESENT with her. He creates the exact path of emotion that she wants to feel in that very moment! Think about that. Think about how powerful it is to be able to create the exact, or similar emotion she wants to feel in that very moment.

The housewife you guys are referring to is the BORED woman who comes home to the husband who begs for boring ass sex, and can barely make it 5 minutes without being exhausted. He creates no excitement, no passion, and the sex sucks. He's too busy watching the game and raising a family to pay notice that she wants to be a dirty slut tonight....and even if he did notice he wouldn't know what to do. So of course that housewife is going to get a strong emotional response from the bad boy.....hell he's exactly what she needs....IN THAT MOMENT. But that's all he'll ever be...is what she needs when that part of her life is missing. What happens when that part of her life is all filled up....back to the hubby.

Find a way to be all of it, and you might be surprised how easy it is, and you'll unlock the key to women!
 
well i have yet to meet a couple to have mad sex after 10 years of being together, it is a fantasy no reality!

You can have trust and good rapport but awesome sex? Very doubtful...
 
Alex78;443524 said:
well i have yet to meet a couple to have mad sex after 10 years of being together, it is a fantasy no reality!

You can have trust and good rapport but awesome sex? Very doubtful...
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Well Alex78 believe it or not it exists. I know its hard to believe but it can happen and its not that impossible to achieve. I bet you if we told many people that we could grow our dicks an inch or two they'd laugh in our faces, yet a select number who are willing to learn and stay consistent do it.
 
Alex78;443524 said:
well i have yet to meet a couple to have mad sex after 10 years of being together, it is a fantasy no reality!

You can have trust and good rapport but awesome sex? Very doubtful...
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I hit the reply button too quickly on accident. You are one of those people who have gained. All it takes is some time and effort and a couple could have "mad sex" very easily....if they are willing to put in the effort to learn.
 
well mixing science and love is not a good argument, and sex after 10 years is more mental than sexual.

The couple should be practicing some Tibetan meditation technique because we tend to get bored of the body real quick.

In the future having orgies will be probably more accepted where partners indulge the senses to new people and come home to cuddle!
 
Alex78;443532 said:
well mixing science and love is not a good argument, and sex after 10 years is more mental than sexual.

The couple should be practicing some Tibetan meditation technique because we tend to get bored of the body real quick.

In the future having orgies will be probably more accepted where partners indulge the senses to new people and come home to cuddle!
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I agree it is more mental. As a matter of fact its entirely mental from the beginning. Its your/her interpretation of love, of the behaviors, actions, feelings, etc that you/her understand to be love. Love means something different to all of us. To you and I it could mean one thing, to someone else another. Think about it like this...if someone you were with was able to represent or always show you the signs that signified love to you, you would absolutley be more IN love with that person. The more someone behaves in the very way that tells you they love you the more capable you are of loving them, and vice versa. Same goes for sex. If you push those exact buttons she needs pushed in that very moment....well its on from there.
 
Women like disposable shit, and once a douche-bag is recognized for his unforgiveable level of douch-bag-ed-ness she can dump his ass without a second thought precisely because he's a douche-bag.
Then move to douche part deux.
 
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Because women are douchebags too simple haha they choose the bad guys and girls love them. they enjoy and they dont want nice guys, they want to feel the excitement.
They want to go against what is established.The girls enjoy it and there is no solution hahha
 
kitfisto;443456 said:
I will tell you why you often see girls with douche bags.

Women are turned on and are drawn to things that effect them emotionally. Women rely on emotions more so that logic.
Sounds sexist but thats how the truth goes.

A girl will keep going back to the same douche bag because he knows how to turn her on emotionally.
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Emotions killing the logic hehe
 
Look bra they don't do it cuz they think its cool the sad truth is lots of chicks will go with the first jerk that accepts them.
Good thing at the brotherhood we give the respect each and every one deserves
 
shortdick;610472 said:
Because women are douchebags too simple haha they choose the bad guys and girls love them. they enjoy and they dont want nice guys, they want to feel the excitement.
They want to go against what is established.The girls enjoy it and there is no solution hahha
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I am a nice guy and my girl left me for a piece of shit, it goes to show there is some truth in this thread.
 
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tcssmos;443460 said:
All good points and good posts. Here's a generalization that I think we can all agree with. Women respond to how well you make them feel about themselves one, and two the way you make them feel when they are around YOU. Remember that the behavior you exhibit creates a emotion in a woman, whether its you intention or not, it's created. A bad boy, as we like to call it is just a guy who is "exciting, fun, lives, on the edge, doesn't give a shit about what everybody thinks.....but that's just ONE emotion trail, which is why most women don't stick around with bad boys. Not all, but many are one trick ponies....they create very similar emotions which for a confident women, will become boring and mundane. Women will sometimes stick around for the challenge, but eventually even that begins to bore her.

Women need emotional variety, they need to be taken on a ride....... excite her, make her feel incredible, keep her guessing, and when you fuck her, devour her! The more emotional variety you give a women, the more intense, and the deeper you allow her to feel her OWN LIFE, her own self in that very moment, the more attached and interested she will become.

There's the wonderful illusion out there that all women want bad boys, and pricks. Total bullshit. Women want to FEEL their lives and they want to feel like the man they are with will help them. The so called bad boy creates this incredible mystery and interest for them....it allows them to feel excitement, passion, longing, desire, and challenge.

I've got to say this. You want to learn real game? Talk to the guys that have been married for 10 or more years who have 2-3 kid and still come home each night and their hot ass wives drop to their knees and begs for it every night. Those are the guys with game. What's more difficult? Running some basic patterns, lines, and ideals on a woman you just met, all so you can demonstrate some temporary value to get laid? She thinks you are fantastic because you just did something 98% of them men out there don't do. Congrats, you get laid. Or the guy who has SUSTENANCE, real value. The guy she's seen walking around in his underwear, who leaves his socks laying around, and his shit everywhere, and she can't keep her hands off him. Someone he's made her world exciting for 10 years, not 2-3 hours. She feels alive around him, like she can be anything she wants around him, a dirty slut or an incredible mother. He creates emotional variety in her life, massive sexual tension, and he can sense what frame of mind she's in.....what she needs in that very moment. Because he stays PRESENT with her. He creates the exact path of emotion that she wants to feel in that very moment! Think about that. Think about how powerful it is to be able to create the exact, or similar emotion she wants to feel in that very moment.

The housewife you guys are referring to is the BORED woman who comes home to the husband who begs for boring ass sex, and can barely make it 5 minutes without being exhausted. He creates no excitement, no passion, and the sex sucks. He's too busy watching the game and raising a family to pay notice that she wants to be a dirty slut tonight....and even if he did notice he wouldn't know what to do. So of course that housewife is going to get a strong emotional response from the bad boy.....hell he's exactly what she needs....IN THAT MOMENT. But that's all he'll ever be...is what she needs when that part of her life is missing. What happens when that part of her life is all filled up....back to the hubby.

Find a way to be all of it, and you might be surprised how easy it is, and you'll unlock the key to women!
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Some good points
 
I have met people that got married to truly useless scum, they are full of shit and they fuck people lives up,women i know got married to really shitty fucks they dont work ,they lie a lot,they are fucking disrepectful.But dumb women chose them and they are still together i wonder why they enjoy it.
 
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