The Long Game: Learning with Longstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth

[DutchAthletic92]

Now that you are aware of the Hooke´s law you should find out and plot the stress strain curve of the Penis. Not ligament or tendon.
It has a non-linear appearance of the biological soft tissues having long toe region with initial nearly proportional elastic phase.
After this there comes the transitional region with radical stiffening of the tissues increasingly resisting any stretching efforts despite to loading tissues more. The stiffening continues to increase as there is no additional strain achieved. Stress though increases at multiple rate and there is no sense to stress the tissue more if there is no additional strain available with these efforts.

The stiffening should ease at some point and then and only then the Hooke´s law is obeyed and the proportional range have been found. I have been loading up to 9kg and yet to found the proportional region still working at the stiffening range. This same stiffening and the final proportional behavior have been seen in studies with ligaments.

I am operating at the last part of the transitional region with my heaviest and final exercise by manual stretching.
Before that working through the initial elastic part of the toe region with no heat. Applying heat elongating this elasticity and moving the pivot of the stiffening further.

Wow ! You truly are a master ! What is your scientific background?

Regarding resting days: is it also possible to alternate rest days like one day on and one day off and continue that way until you reach a plateau?

Or is it better to just do 3 days in a row and then 2 days off like you recommended? 48 hours of rest before doing a new workout of 3 days in a row.

 

[kyrpa]

I have a background on mechanical engineering tightly linked to medical field. Been involved in developing manufacturing processes, material and product testing methods and their productivity. Guess mainly solving problems by eliminating variables one by one.

I like to keep this PE experiment as practical as possible by chewing it to pieces first and starting from there. Not taking any forcefully fabricated theories that seriously. And them seems to plenty with PE.

Before P1 was this three months time when I tested different distributions and I found 2+1 having not enough time to rest as the strain percentages were compromised. Then again 5+2 was showing various signs of over training and lots of negative PI´s.
From the P2 I have used this 3+2 schedule.
Minimum of 2 days rest seems to work fine. I will run P4 with 2+2 distribution.

P3 was the first period with US heat in every session. And for the first time my EQ stays excellent every day.

 

[DutchAthletic92]

I have a background on mechanical engineering tightly linked to medical field. Been involved in developing manufacturing processes, material and product testing methods and their productivity. Guess mainly solving problems by eliminating variables one by one.

I like to keep this PE experiment as practical as possible by chewing it to pieces first and starting from there. Not taking any forcefully fabricated theories that seriously. And them seems to plenty with PE.

Before P1 was this three months time when I tested different distributions and I found 2+1 having not enough time to rest as the strain percentages were compromised. Then again 5+2 was showing various signs of over training and lots of negative PI´s.
From the P2 I have used this 3+2 schedule.
Minimum of 2 days rest seems to work fine. I will run P4 with 2+2 distribution.

P3 was the first period with US heat in every session. And for the first time my EQ stays excellent every day.

Thank you for your contributions. You explain everything clearly. I will try out the 3on/2off schedule. I’m saving up for an ultrasound device but for now I have an infrared lamp to heat the shaft. It’s better than nothing.

 

[longstretch]

I am really glad you are finally giving your input Kyrpa. The visuals and the way you relay your knowledge is of immense help. You have a way of making your ideas easily understood.

We can theorize all we want. I have better results with rest days factored in (strain levels and overall gains prove this) and I believe it has to do with the fibroblast mediated proliferation. Read the study I linked to on page 2 of this thread. It has electron microscope pictures of different strain rates on collagen tissue. I'm not sure what would be the ideal days of rest to work. I made great gains coming back from 18 months off using a 1 on, 3 off. Keep in mind coming back from long extended decon so lower stress levels were effective. I slowly increased my amount of sessions on my on days to 3 to account for total strain rate. Following kyrpa's lead I'm much more efficient in achieving the needed strain rate with my current gains campaign (Kyrpa calls them periods). Point being the body does need rest to repair, fill gaps created and grow. I'd much rather do one hour session a couple days back to back than revolve a whole day around PE and I'm getting similar results.

Here's the stress-strain curve of collagen as Kyrpa has plotted its different from the penis as a whole but similar. The squiggle lines represent crimped fibrils.
View attachment 1824639

 

[TuffDong]

This is great! You guys are having simultaneous nerd-gasms. I love it!!

Blessings...

 

[kyrpa]

I am really glad you are finally giving your input Kypra. The visuals and the way you relay your knowledge is of immense help. You have a way of making your ideas easily understood.

We can theorize all we want. I have better results with rest days factored in (strain levels and overall gains prove this) and I believe it has to do with the fibroblast mediated proliferation. Read the study I linked to on page 2 of this thread. It has electron microscope pictures of different strain rates on collagen tissue. I'm not sure what would be the ideal days of rest to work. I made great gains coming back from 18 months off using a 1 on, 3 off. Keep in mind coming back from long extended decon so lower stress levels were effective. I slowly increased my amount of sessions on my on days to 3 to account for total strain rate. Following kyrpa's lead I'm much more efficient in achieving the needed strain rate with my current gains campaign (Kypra calls them periods). Point being the body does need rest to repair, fill gaps created and grow. I'd much rather do one hour session a couple days back to back than revolve a whole day around PE and I'm getting similar results.

Here's the stress-strain curve of collagen as Kypra has plotted its different from the penis as a whole but similar. The squiggle lines represent crimped fibrils.
View attachment 1824639

Actually this slope serves its purpose as a simplification.
a) collagen fibrils are crimped and when the tissue is in its resting length. When stretched is behaving mainly elastically.
b) At the transition the fibrils are recruited to load bearing and the stiffening occurs while tissue is stretched further
Most of us are working between b and c at the best.
c) At the proportionally behaving region all the fibrils have been recruited and are elongating elastically . Some micro-failures happening as the tissue is stretched further. Some of the craziest hangers are getting here.
d) Fibers are breaking until the total failure is achieved.

 

[kyrpa]

We can theorize all we want. I have better results with rest days factored in (strain levels and overall gains prove this) and I believe it has to do with the fibroblast mediated proliferation. Read the study I linked to on page 2 of this thread. It has electron microscope pictures of different strain rates on collagen tissue.

It beautifully describes the expression of the proliferation induced without the involvement of the inflammation response. Now with the therapeutic heat we might be having the response of the subfailure strain for fibroblast mediated proliferation without having subfailure strains.
Whatever happens is happening because the heat allows plastic deformation to occur in the first place igniting responses otherwise triggered at subfailure strains.

 

[DutchAthletic92]

It beautifully describes the expression of the proliferation induced without the involvement of the inflammation response. Now with the therapeutic heat we might be having the response of the subfailure strain for fibroblast mediated proliferation without having subfailure strains.
Whatever happens is happening because the heat allows plastic deformation to occur in the first place igniting responses otherwise triggered at subfailure strains.

One more thing; is it bad if you take 3-4 rest days because you are busy and have to travel or something? Let’s say you do 3 days of heated hanging / stretching with the ultrasound device and you get maximum strain you won’t lose “gaining momentum” only because you’re taking extra days off right? It leaves more time to recover and grow when you take extra rest days here and there.

I am about to start my career as a 3D CAD draftsman and sometimes I have to travel for projects and they want me onsite to work and help with stuff. If I go for longer time I make sure to bring my PE equipment. Some colleagues get deployed to Paris or Australia for 5-6 months straight for example. My new company is very internationally oriented.

 

[kyrpa]

One more thing; is it bad if you take 3-4 rest days because you are busy and have to travel or something? Let’s say you do 3 days of heated hanging / stretching with the ultrasound device and you get maximum strain you won’t lose “gaining momentum” only because you’re taking extra days off right? It leaves more time to recover and grow when you take extra rest days here and there.

I am about to start my career as a 3D CAD draftsman and sometimes I have to travel for projects and they want me onsite to work and help with stuff. If I go for longer time I make sure to bring my PE equipment. Some colleagues get deployed to Paris or Australia for 5-6 months straight for example. My new company is very internationally oriented.

I have had few 3 to 5 days breaks due my schedule as well in every Period. They don´t interfere the outcome in period level.

And there is one guy already running weekly based routine with the concept by 4 + 3 system. He is getting results with 3 days of program similar to what Longstretch has presented and the fourth day is for girth exercises with no at all or minor longitudinal stretching.

 

[DutchAthletic92]

I have had few 3 to 5 days breaks due my schedule as well in every Period. They don´t interfere the outcome in period level.

And there is one guy already running weekly based routine with the concept by 4 + 3 system. He is getting results with 3 days of program similar to what Longstretch has presented and the fourth day is for girth exercises with no at all or minor longitudinal stretching.

How can we protect our testicles and testosterone and other androgenic hormones from the Electro Magnetic Waves/Frequencies? That ultrasound device sounds very damaging to hormones.

Our endocrine system (testicles) is very easily affected by heat or radiation. How can we prevent damage?

 

[longstretch]

You can wrap them in tin foil as that'll reflect the sound waves but honestly as long as the part of your dick is not directly in line with your testicles your okay. Part of the reason I do fulcrum hanging is because the fulcrum will be in the way. Kyrpa does side stretches, 10 min to each side so it's not being directed at testicles. You could even do straight outas long as you're not heating the very base with it aimed at testicles. You don't want to do it over any major nerve pathways or organs. I sometimes use it for PT purposes on myself.

 

[DutchAthletic92]

You can wrap them in tin foil as that'll reflect the sound waves but honestly as long as the part of your dick is not directly in line with your testicles your okay. Part of the reason I do fulcrum hanging is because the fulcrum will be in the way. Kyrpa does side stretches, 10 min to each side so it's not being directed at testicles. You could even do straight outas long as you're not heating the very base with it aimed at testicles. You don't want to do it over any major nerve pathways or organs. I sometimes use it for PT purposes on myself.

I hang straight out. I sit in a deskchair and i’ll cover up my testicles with thin foil. Is it actually scientific proofed that thin foil reflects the ultrasounds? What about the electro magnetic waves? We’re already being bombarded by wifi devices all day long and eletronic devices which radiate EMF but yea I don’t want to put that source near my testicles, how can we prevent EMF radiation. I heard of some kind of EMF blocking underwear. Testosterone levels dropped because of men having smartphones in their pants pockets.

 

[TuffDong]

 

[longstretch]

It offers acoustical and vibrational shielding yes. The actual machine will be away from you so EMF should not be an issue you're only using the transducer to apply the ultrasound. I don't know if it produces EMF. Maybe you should invest in those underwear.

Maybe you should see what an ultrasound machine actually is.

And there is one guy already running weekly based routine with the concept by 4 + 3 system. He is getting results with 3 days of program similar to what Longstretch has presented and the fourth day is for girth exercises with no at all or minor longitudinal stretching.

That's pretty interesting. I am curious if adding girth is for BPEL gains, EQ or girth gains or a mix. Has his girth increased?

 

[TuffDong]

The ultrasound is an amazing piece of hardware. After my spinal injury, I was blessed to have the maseuse at my chiropractic appointments utilize it. Man, what a difference.

 

[kyrpa]

That's pretty interesting. I am curious if adding girth is for BPEL gains, EQ or girth gains or a mix. Has his girth increased?

According to his stats he has made gains in both BPEL and MSEG . Interestingly he is using IR + rice sock for heating and have adopted only the training regimen. He is keeping the skin temperature at 45 C . He was plateauing 8 months before adapting the protocol to his liking.

EDIT: BPFSL not BPEL . Seems to have gained 3/16 inch BPFSL in 5 weeks. And the MSEG have gone 0.06 inch up at the same time.
BPEL has gone from 7.25 to 7.31

 

[Dingobells]

I'm going to jump on this. About to end a 5 week decon break this week which i started kudos to longS's recent posts. What are your thoughts on ads?

 

[longstretch]

I'm on the fence with them and Kyrpa is against them, stating once strain rate has been achieved with heat ADS will not produce any more strain and the tissues do not heal in elongated state. I however think it could be beneficial and I do know fibroblasts can change shape from being in low level traction so there could be a response. Extender gains operate with low level long time traction and creep deformation. However if I'm able to make notable gains without the added hassle of ADS (and it honestly is s pain in the ass) then I'll more than likely take that route.

 

[supermeatboy]

A silicone sleeve around the shaft (required if using a vacuum cup ADS) will constrict blood flow which might have a negative impact on healing.

 

[kyrpa]

What are your thoughts on ads?

.

I'm on the fence with them and Kyrpa is against them, stating once strain rate has been achieved with heat ADS will not produce any more strain and the tissues do not heal in elongated state. I however think it could be beneficial and I do know fibroblasts can change shape from being in low level traction so there could be a response. Extender gains operate with low level long time traction and creep deformation. However if I'm able to make notable gains without the added hassle of ADS (and it honestly is s pain in the ass) then I'll more than likely take that route.

During P1 there was ADS used 1-2 days after heated stretching exercises.
Somewhere on the line it was removed as a first steps were taken for thinking out of the box of the realms of IPR- protocol.

While on P2 ADS was used as a conditioning stretch tool prior the main excersices instead of the extender .
Wearing it 1- 3 hours a days before the main event. Using 1-2 kg load.

The whole P3 has been produced without any ADS use.
The creep utilizing conditioning stretch has been replaced with stress relaxation stretch.

Elongation by creep for collagenous tissues is procuced by strething with continuous load.
Stress Relaxation instead is happening when the tissues have been stretched to a certain strain and fixed for the given lenght until the stress reliefs.
Repeatedly loaded every 10 minutes or so until all of the initial elasticity has been reached. Then we move on to creep based stretching with heat and so on.

Stress Relaxation has the ability to produce the given elongation in shorter time than creep based stretching.
In this context 30minutes vs. 1-2 hours when using 2 kg load.

Speaking of my personal case, after seeing identical progress with permanent elongation there is clearly no need for ADS concluding pre exhaustion use prior excercises. Healing in elonged state mantra has been heard a lot. There is no tissue which heals while it is stressed with continuous loading. It is just another long lasting stretching exercise hindering any recovery. Coils etc. which are not continuously loading could have the ability to be used as such IMO.

Not before the results achieved at P3 once again prove to be permanent I will be stating conclusively that ADS is not needed for getting permanent BPEL gains with this concept. That said we need to take in to concideration that the girth work at the end of the period after the BPFSL gains plateua is propably giving some fibroblast respond Longstretch mentioned.

Lookin the bigger picture in this concept we elongate the BPFSL as much as we can during the few intense weeks until strains start to diminish.
Then we reproduce the maximal lenght for few rounds to the point BPFSL does not gain any additional length.

Then we turn the focus on exercises which are giving the best growth response possible keeping the BPEL progressing. I strongly recommend girth exercise being the thing for this . If someone thinks ADS should bring this response it wont hurt much at this point of the period.

Prolonged break is inevitable before the whole circulation can be repeated. There can be individual variance but for me being away at least 40 days from the intensive heat - stretching protocol , has done the trick of clearing the table for further legthening aspirations.
This including all the things mentioned above happening after BPFSL gains are diminishing and the complete rest for few weeks.