You’re going to absolutely love it for not just this but many other reasons. We’re still coming up with new uses.
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You’re going to absolutely love it for not just this but many other reasons. We’re still coming up with new uses.
MosRed isn't really a heating device, it's red light and near infrared therapy. The far infrared lamps are usually the ones that heat. I'll cover more to come.
I highly recommend ultrasound but I'll warn everyone right now you can really damage yourself with it and it should be thoroughly researched and only used for like 10 to 20 min. Microwaveble clay heat packs work too. Infrared works but must be held close to penis and can cause burns. I keep my balls in my boxers and pull penis through pee hole.
I highly recommend ultrasound but I'll warn everyone right now you can really damage yourself with it and it should be thoroughly researched and only used for like 10 to 20 min. Microwaveble clay heat packs work too. Infrared works but must be held close to penis and can cause burns. I keep my balls in my boxers and pull penis through pee hole.
@Lightning on the ultrasound
BPSFL Focused Routine: Part C, Conclusion and Thoughts
So measuring this strain rate becomes increasingly important to see just how much deformation aka strain we are achieving. Based on mine and others experiences 2-5% is the daily goal. We are operating mainly in the elastic region and so most of this post measurement will go back to pre given enough time, usually by next day. Microscopically it's thought that some cells will be stretched, some fibril linkages broken and the response will be fibroblast mediated proliferation. This means if we hit these numbers consistently growth will occur, with little to no inflammation.
This will tell us how effective our current routine is and help us predict how much we can gain before decon. Newbies can usually achieve a higher strain rate (~5%) and us veterans will need to aim for 2.25-3.00%. You can even measure between different exercises and see what each set or group of exercises is doing for your strain rate. If an exercise is giving at least 0.1 cm after a period of time, say 10 min, it's safe to say it's effective. You can see if you should've stopped long ago or if you need to up the intensity. And the more people in this community start tracking this the more accurate we will become. And you can see by the curve, after the toe region it'll take increasingly more weight to achieve only a little more strain, and at some point risking injury. The response to increased weight to a certain point isn't ever increasing strain but toughening of tissue, limiting any cheap and easy gains to be had.
We can also look at the cumulative effect in our current cycle between decons. Me and others have noted gains slow between 14 and 60 days. If we are gaining we can account for a usual cumulative effect of 5-8% strain if calculated from day 1 to the last day of current gain cycle. When you approach these numbers in any cycle you'll know to start wrapping it up and looking to start your decon. Also it appears that outside newbie gains, gains can only happen so fast. Me and others have noticed this is approximately 0.1 cm per 5 to 14 days.
More to come stick around and learn with Longstretch
So measuring this strain rate becomes increasingly important to see just how much deformation aka strain we are achieving. Based on mine and others experiences 2-5% is the daily goal. We are operating mainly in the elastic region and so most of this post measurement will go back to pre given enough time, usually by next day. Microscopically it's thought that some cells will be stretched, some fibril linkages broken and the response will be fibroblast mediated proliferation. This means if we hit these numbers consistently growth will occur, with little to no inflammation.
This will tell us how effective our current routine is and help us predict how much we can gain before decon. Newbies can usually achieve a higher strain rate (~5%) and us veterans will need to aim for 2.25-3.00%. You can even measure between different exercises and see what each set or group of exercises is doing for your strain rate. If an exercise is giving at least 0.1 cm after a period of time, say 10 min, it's safe to say it's effective. You can see if you should've stopped long ago or if you need to up the intensity. And the more people in this community start tracking this the more accurate we will become. And you can see by the curve, after the toe region it'll take increasingly more weight to achieve only a little more strain, and at some point risking injury. The response to increased weight to a certain point isn't ever increasing strain but toughening of tissue, limiting any cheap and easy gains to be had.
We can also look at the cumulative effect in our current cycle between decons. Me and others have noted gains slow between 14 and 60 days. If we are gaining we can account for a usual cumulative effect of 5-8% strain if calculated from day 1 to the last day of current gain cycle. When you approach these numbers in any cycle you'll know to start wrapping it up and looking to start your decon. Also it appears that outside newbie gains, gains can only happen so fast. Me and others have noticed this is approximately 0.1 cm per 5 to 14 days.
More to come stick around and learn with Longstretch
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So while our penis maybe only give us a 2-5% stain rate it's very likely that the tight and or weak links in the penis are giving more at the cellular level. This has been thought to be the work of fibroblast mediated proliferation, remember proliferation=gains. Little to no inflammation is needed.
Intrinsic fibroblast-mediated remodeling of damaged collagenous matrices in vivo
Paolo P. Provenzanoa, b, , , Adriana L. Alejandro-Osoriob, c, Wilmot B. Valhmub, Kristina T. Jensena, b and Ray Vanderby, Jr.a, b
aDepartment of Biomedical Engineering, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, United States bDepartment of Orthopedics and Rehabilitation, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, United States cDepartment of Biomolecular Chemistry, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, United States
Abstract
Numerous studies have examined wound healing and tissue repair after a complete tissue rupture and reported provisional matrix and scar tissue formation in the injury gap. The initial phases of the repair are largely mediated by the coagulation response and a principally extrinsic inflammatory response followed by type III collagen deposition to form scar tissue that may be later remodeled.In this study, we examine subfailure (Grade II sprain) damage to collagenous matrices in which no gross tissue gap is present and a localized concentration of provisional matrix or scar tissue does not form. .This results in extracellular matrix remodeling that relies heavily upon type I collagen, and associated proteoglycans, and less heavily on type III scar tissue collagen. For instance, following subfailure tissue damage, collagen I and III expression was suppressed after 1 day, but by day 7 expression of both genes was significantly increased over controls, with collagen I expression significantly larger than type III expression. Concurrent with increased collagen expression were significantly increased expression of the collagen fibrillogenesis supporting [urlproteoglycans fibromodulin, lumican, decorin, the large aggregating proteoglycan versican, and proteases cathepsin K and L. Interestingly, this remodeling process appears intrinsic with little or no inflammation response as damaged tissues show no changes in macrophage or neutrophils levels following injury and expression of the inflammatory markers, tumor necrosis factor-α and tartrate-resistant acid phosphatase were unchanged. Hence, since inflammation plays a large role in wound healing by inducing cell migration and proliferation, and controlling extracellular matrix scar formation, its absence leaves fibroblasts to principally direct tissue remodeling. Therefore, following a Grade II subfailure injury to the collagen matrix, we conclude that tissue remodeling is fibroblast-mediated and occurs without scar tissue formation, but instead with type I collagen fibrillogenesis to repair the tissue. As such, this system provides unique insight into acute tissue damage and offers a potentially powerful model to examine fibroblast behavior.
Matrix Biology, Volume 23, issue 8, January 2005, pag. 543-555
Also the statement “following subfailure tissue damage, collagen I and III expression was suppressed after 1 day, but by day 7 expression of both genes was significantly increased over controls, with collagen I expression significantly larger than type III expression. Concurrent with increased collagen expression were significantly increased expression of the collagen fibrillogenesis” also serves to illustrate why recovery time is needed between PE sessions.
More to come stick around and learn with Longstretch
Intrinsic fibroblast-mediated remodeling of damaged collagenous matrices in vivo
Paolo P. Provenzanoa, b, , , Adriana L. Alejandro-Osoriob, c, Wilmot B. Valhmub, Kristina T. Jensena, b and Ray Vanderby, Jr.a, b
aDepartment of Biomedical Engineering, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, United States bDepartment of Orthopedics and Rehabilitation, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, United States cDepartment of Biomolecular Chemistry, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, United States
Abstract
Numerous studies have examined wound healing and tissue repair after a complete tissue rupture and reported provisional matrix and scar tissue formation in the injury gap. The initial phases of the repair are largely mediated by the coagulation response and a principally extrinsic inflammatory response followed by type III collagen deposition to form scar tissue that may be later remodeled.In this study, we examine subfailure (Grade II sprain) damage to collagenous matrices in which no gross tissue gap is present and a localized concentration of provisional matrix or scar tissue does not form. .This results in extracellular matrix remodeling that relies heavily upon type I collagen, and associated proteoglycans, and less heavily on type III scar tissue collagen. For instance, following subfailure tissue damage, collagen I and III expression was suppressed after 1 day, but by day 7 expression of both genes was significantly increased over controls, with collagen I expression significantly larger than type III expression. Concurrent with increased collagen expression were significantly increased expression of the collagen fibrillogenesis supporting [urlproteoglycans fibromodulin, lumican, decorin, the large aggregating proteoglycan versican, and proteases cathepsin K and L. Interestingly, this remodeling process appears intrinsic with little or no inflammation response as damaged tissues show no changes in macrophage or neutrophils levels following injury and expression of the inflammatory markers, tumor necrosis factor-α and tartrate-resistant acid phosphatase were unchanged. Hence, since inflammation plays a large role in wound healing by inducing cell migration and proliferation, and controlling extracellular matrix scar formation, its absence leaves fibroblasts to principally direct tissue remodeling. Therefore, following a Grade II subfailure injury to the collagen matrix, we conclude that tissue remodeling is fibroblast-mediated and occurs without scar tissue formation, but instead with type I collagen fibrillogenesis to repair the tissue. As such, this system provides unique insight into acute tissue damage and offers a potentially powerful model to examine fibroblast behavior.
Matrix Biology, Volume 23, issue 8, January 2005, pag. 543-555
Also the statement “following subfailure tissue damage, collagen I and III expression was suppressed after 1 day, but by day 7 expression of both genes was significantly increased over controls, with collagen I expression significantly larger than type III expression. Concurrent with increased collagen expression were significantly increased expression of the collagen fibrillogenesis” also serves to illustrate why recovery time is needed between PE sessions.
More to come stick around and learn with Longstretch
This is amazing, brother. I haven't so much as dipped my toe in these waters before.
I have read about this Bib fellow, but haven't read his words. This info may be too scientific for most, but I am getting it, little by little.
I feel I need to invest in more "professional" devices, as my homemade ones seem medieval by comparison. They will have to do though, as my Home Depot credit line only works for the materials I am able to obtain.
You are giving us some EXTREMELY VALUABLE information here, and once again I feel the need to give you a standing ovation.
I look forward to your continued posts...
Thank you, my brother.
I have read about this Bib fellow, but haven't read his words. This info may be too scientific for most, but I am getting it, little by little.
I feel I need to invest in more "professional" devices, as my homemade ones seem medieval by comparison. They will have to do though, as my Home Depot credit line only works for the materials I am able to obtain.
You are giving us some EXTREMELY VALUABLE information here, and once again I feel the need to give you a standing ovation.
I look forward to your continued posts...
Thank you, my brother.
I tried the rice sock method, and found it to be too much of a hassle as well as really not liking having no precise control of the heat.
Heating pads I never tried. Too cumbersome for me. I like things simple. Once I found the Soma Care system, I fell in love with how easy it is to use.
Are used heating pads during my whole P journey. They are cumbersome but extremely effective if you have total privacy. I would wear mine every second of the day that I was not training to keep myself in a state of malleability. But they are cumbersome so working on something right now that’s going to be effective and not so cumbersome.
What is the soma care system? I looked it up on Amazon and it seems to be some sort of hot/cold pad which you can put in the freezer or heating it up on the stove?
How do you control temperature with it? Is it powered by electricity?
What I need is a system which doesn’t emit Electro-Magnetic-Waves because these frequencies are very damaging to your testosterone and testicles.... Also it has to have a temperature control system and I need the constant heat at 43 degrees Celsius and not higher in order to stay flexible during hanging.
Therapeutic heat: ideal heat should be 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C). 45°C and up causes tissue death, below this and the connective tissue will not behave like we want it to in the stretch.
What I need is a system which doesn’t emit Electro-Magnetic-Waves because these frequencies are very damaging to your testosterone and testicles.... Also it has to have a temperature control system and I need the constant heat at 43 degrees Celsius and not higher in order to stay flexible during hanging sets.
Like you said: “Therapeutic heat: ideal heat should be 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C). 45°C and up causes tissue death, below this and the connective tissue will not behave like we want it to in the stretch.”
Does a device with these specifications even exist?
I want the easiness of plug & play powered by electricity, but I don’t want the electro magnetic waves for hours and hours in my groin area. And applying the heat at no more than 43 degrees Celsius for good stretching abilities during my hanging sessions...
If one could develop a heating pad like this... l would definitely pay SERIOUS money for that kind of heating pad because that will speed up gains like crazy! A safe constant deep tissue tunica heating source at a constant temperature with no hassles during my hanging hours all day long.... Perfect!
I'll discuss in my next part on heat. Should have that part done by tomorrow or Tuesday. A therapeutic ultrasound might be perfect for you, they are pricey and like I said need to be researched otherwise you could harm yourself. Also you might want to look into infrared heating pads some might provide what you're looking for
It is a self contained heating system. You may use it for cold therapy as well, but heat is where is shines. There is no control over temperature, other than wrapping it in layers with cloth to dull the heat. I go pack to skin with no issue.
It contains some sort of liquid science, and when you bend this metal disc that is suspended within, chemistry happens and it starts to activate, changing the liquid. It's a trip..
For me, it is far better than the sock because the extremity does not fluctuate. The sock can either be too hot, or not nearly hot enough. Too many variables, such as thickness and type of sock, how much rice is contained, time in microwave, wattage of said microwave, etc.
When my collection of packs has been used, I just throw them all in a big pot full of water, boil for 20min, and they are ready to go again. Just easier for me. ? Plus, I can wrap them around my Johnson and pull if I want to do some heated stretching, LOL .
You may see the product, and how I utilize it, starting here when I first scooped it up as a promotional deal.
You can speed through the thread to see how I utilize it, and my thoughts on the benefits....
Blessings....
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I think we should look into making some of this equipment ourselves. It seems like the ultrasound is working and now this new self contained heating system are things that would definitely benefit us. @Lightning
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REDZULU2003
New member
All good information. I used to train with decon periods years ago, so I fully get it.
I've never been one for day in day out training. I used very intense, shorter sessions. They worked, however, looking back, I was too intense.
This is allot easier then it seems, with the core enemy being the practitioner themselves.
I'm going to start again in a week once back in the UK, and will be using just wet jelqs at high erection with a good stretch applied at the end.
I gained well with them at the start in 2001 and I haven't done a penis enlargement routine in over 9 years, which means my body has no clue, and will adapt to the stress with growth.
The heat principle is important. I understand you don't warm up, but for those of us in colder climates I believe it works, as right now in a VERY hot country, my erections are large, solid, hanging great compared to them being more negative back home.
Thinking of getting a ultrasound device, but until then I will warm up with hot water, and I'm thinking of heating the lubrication up that I jelq with.
What about after a session, wrapping some tin foil or alternative around the shaft while heated and keep it extended for x amount of time.
I've never been one for day in day out training. I used very intense, shorter sessions. They worked, however, looking back, I was too intense.
This is allot easier then it seems, with the core enemy being the practitioner themselves.
I'm going to start again in a week once back in the UK, and will be using just wet jelqs at high erection with a good stretch applied at the end.
I gained well with them at the start in 2001 and I haven't done a penis enlargement routine in over 9 years, which means my body has no clue, and will adapt to the stress with growth.
The heat principle is important. I understand you don't warm up, but for those of us in colder climates I believe it works, as right now in a VERY hot country, my erections are large, solid, hanging great compared to them being more negative back home.
Thinking of getting a ultrasound device, but until then I will warm up with hot water, and I'm thinking of heating the lubrication up that I jelq with.
What about after a session, wrapping some tin foil or alternative around the shaft while heated and keep it extended for x amount of time.
REDZULU2003
New member
Very good point
I would use a space heater for those in colder climates to heat the area of the room you'll be doing PE. That's what I do during the winter months. I've got a few studies collected and am drawing the same conclusions from them. I have tomorrow off work so it'll come soon. After that I'll update this thread with any further thoughts and provide any clarifications. I recommend everyone to review any outside links, studies or videos multiple times. I know I didn't understand them well enough with the first pass. Particularly pay attention to viscous nature of connective tissue
Haursen
The Godly PE Journeyman
I would like to see a control group use your theories for 6 months and come back to give results. This would be the "proof in the pudding" if you will on if the concepts work for everyone or just some. 
I'm saying this because of the whole Janus coming out of nowhere with his wild theories yet no test group.
I'm saying this because of the whole Janus coming out of nowhere with his wild theories yet no test group.
People did test Janus' theories but his hypotheses on why his exercises worked were flawed and he quickly plunged into quackery. Though I will say for me at least I have noticed improvements with what little AM I have done so far. I would love to see an experiment set up. I participated in one back in the day, Babbis', and I think for us to get really advanced in our techniques that's the route we need to explore. Excellent idea!
I will say this there are a handful of guys at another forum that have read the same threads and have developed pretty similar techniques in their routines. Each guy has been tweaking his own routine and discussing variables with each other. The results have been fantastic. Of course some of the numbers I discuss here could be changed with a bigger population participating. That and the knowledge I wanted to impart were the reasons for starting this thread.
I will say this there are a handful of guys at another forum that have read the same threads and have developed pretty similar techniques in their routines. Each guy has been tweaking his own routine and discussing variables with each other. The results have been fantastic. Of course some of the numbers I discuss here could be changed with a bigger population participating. That and the knowledge I wanted to impart were the reasons for starting this thread.
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