Good start up post
@kriskros. Let's gather all the thoughts here with the burning/dying questions about PE under this brotherhood's knowledge. I'll provide my medical and scientific sides, and
@DLD can provide his intuitive side based on his discoveries through trials and errors. His scientific and medical knowledge is a bit hazy, so I'll do my part to provide that arena of info.
@huge-girth can provide the subsidized intuitiveness of PE as well as he's a great coach that gathers all the info together to guide the brothers.
So, let's dive into the questions:
1.
@DLD is right. Everything has to do with warm-up, intensity and rehabilitation / recovery from exercises. When it comes to intensity, a guy X feels intense at ~5hg while another feels intense at ~8hg. Does that means that there is no rule in intensity? Because if 5hg is considered "big" for someone, that means that his workout was intense. What proves the intensity? The resulting soreness?
This has always been a key discussion. There's no wrong answers. Why? For those who have thicker fascias (the upper skin layers), stronger negative pressure expressed in -X inHg is used. However, in this forum, that extra "-" sign is a pain and time consuming, so we just use normal numbers instead. However, addressing the difference between -5inHg and -8inHg, or even -10inHg, it's all depending on everyone. But, the standards is the same. What do I mean by that?
In the medical journals of urology, it had been tested on many male subjects across the board, age ranges from 13 years old all the way to 65 years old. The average internal pressure for the penis is between 3.9inHg (notice the positive pressure here) and 4.4inHg. This is a massive gap on the pressure. Why? It's because of age, reproductive capacity, vigor, endurance, blood flow, etc, etc, etc. Not everyone is as healthy as a 21 years of age male at optimal health conditions.
So, the standard negative pressure starts roughly around -3.5inHg to bring the penile shaft to ~90% erectile state. This means semi solid, hard rock, and ready to pound erection. Imagine those who have internal pressure around 3.9inHg and try to pump with negative pressure past -4inHg to -5inHg. Do you know how painful that can be? That's 103% to 128% again in pressures. For young or sensitive skin, that's like pulling your hair out by the roots. For those who have 4.4inHg or 4.5inHg internal pressure, it's not as painful as those who are in the 3.9inHg, or even less.
So, when we say, -5inHg is the magic number for pumping to get gains, it's an average pressure for those who are starting out. At -5inHg, those who have an internal pressure at 4.4inHg will be gaining at 116% of expansion. For those who at 3.9inHg internal pressure, that's 128% again. This is where we slowly, EVERY SO SLOWLY, work our pressure up when we first start out, or when we restart after a long period of not pumping. This is especially true for those who have high pain tollerance and cannot feel the expansion pains. This is a deadly game with your penis as a betting chip. This is why we go slow, VERY SLOW, when we start, until we know for a fact that our penises can handle the pressures.
But, we can address those who have been pumping for a very long time, and their tissues became very thick. Because of the thick tissues higher pressure is needed. The negative pressure can be as low as -6inHg, and it can be as high as -15inHg (which is a very dangerous zone). There is no wrong number here. Only the wrong mindset that we can go from 0inHg to -8inHg without first finding out where we're at first.
As we work towards the -10inHg, this is where the true magic number is. Even Dr. Hink verified this, and it has been discussed here for a very long time. I mean very long time. We need to exceed two times the normal internal pressures to get the expansion we want, and slowly, EVERY SLOWLY, achieve up to THREE TIMES the internal pressures to optimize our growth. This is why we called this the "Black Magic" growth zone. We cannot understand the internal influence of cellular walls and regenerative activities from negative pressure influences since no one has performed an electronic microscope scan of the cells when the cells are subjected to 122 times its cellular expansion limits. We have video data on cell expansion and repairing rate at TWO TIMES and FIVE TIMES. Not 122 TIMES.
2. Suppose soreness is the answer:: If a penis is sore, doesn't that means that along with microtrauma, inflammation exists too? Isn't inflammation a negative factor for growing? (I mean inflammation like edema, not the required one for growth).
Like the rest of the body, soreness is an indicator of growth. We suffer soreness throughout our lives from activities that rebuild the body. Soreness is a body response that something, such as muscles and skeletal components, are under stresses. It's actually the chemical responses to micro-macro tears in our muscles that cause inflammation. This is the cause of soreness. Edema doesn't cause soreness, but the tissue stretching that cause the inflammation responses. It's not the tunica that causes soreness, but the micro tears that suffered throughout the entire shaft and the body is responding to the inflammatory fire alarms. This means your tissues are stiff, not malleable or flexible enough for a good stretch.
But what happens to those who don't suffer inflammatory responses due to medication, or just due to high pain tollerance. This is where we must approach PE with great precautions. Why do you think this brotherhood asks so many questions about personal health, emotion well being, and psychological aspects? Because it's essential to ensure proper PE routines, customized to the individual. PE is not a meal recipe. You don't just take the routine and go crazy with it. The PE routines here are general baseline info, and we customize it according to each individual's needs.
3. Can you have intense work-outs without soreness?
Definitely. As #2 above indicated, those who have high pain tollerance, on medication, or even eating a highly loaded anti-inflammatory dietary intakes (me included as I use quite bit of natural herbs with anti-inflammatory supplements), soreness is very minimal to none at all. We tend to go overboard and cause the required micro tears into macro or major tears. This is where penile injuries occur. We always emphasized on incremental tension increase over time. We don't suggest going from 2lbs of traction force to 20lbs of traction force in less than a year. It's around 0.5lbs of incremental traction force every 2 to 3 weeks. If it's possible, we even suggest to lengthen the time to 5 to 6 weeks instead. It's not about reaching the highest
weight possible, but to create a dynamic routine to maximize the
weight or traction force to our advantage without harming the penis.
Dynamic
weight or traction force is about using the
weights or traction forces to initiate the collagen bond breakage, lower down the
weight/traction force and continue to keep the broken bonds to effectively break and rebuild over time. It only takes aroudn 800g of traction force to maintain the long period of breakage as soon as you break the first bond. 1150g is the maximum amount of long term
weight/traction force. Those who hang 10lbs to 20lbs for hours on end, all we can ask is, "
ARE YOU CRAZY!?"
@DLD Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
4.
5x5x3:: Why Pumping first and
SSJ second? Why not the opposite?
Pumping first addresses the issues for those who cannot get an erection due to ED, or some penile issues. Pumping first prime the oxytocin and nitric oxide in the blood stream to get to the penile shaft. For those who don't have issues with the erection,
SSJ is the best thing to do as the first exercise for pumping routine. This optimizes internal expansion even more, while creating a "warm up" routine for the penis.
5. Say someone decides to put out the
SSJ and instead use sof clamping and he does
5x5x3 but with soft clamping. Would it be better to do pump/sclamp, pump/sclamp, pump/sclamp? Would it be better to do 15 mins sclap and then 15 mins pump? Would it be better to do 15 mins pump and then sclamp? And Why?
You must first define what soft clamping and hard clamping is. Hard clamping traps blood through mechanic constriction. But what is soft clamping? Some claim it to be like hard clamping as they use penis ring or some softer devices, but still generate the constriction to trap blood. Some claim soft clamping is using hard clamping devices but modified to allow the penis to add more blood volume into the penis while being trapped. This adds on extra blood volume to exceed 100% of erectile blood volume. Hard clamping cannot do this due to the nature of the hard devices.
So, what is soft clamping?
The problem with the clamping with added blood volume is the static condition of expansion. Let's say you "sclamp" at 100%, you keep on adding more blood through quick kegels, and the total is 105%, that's all you're going to get: 105%.
But what's the different between sclamp and
SSJ?
SSJ is dynamic. You can use 80% of the existing blood volume or you can add to 105% blood volume using your the sclamp methods with your own hands. BUT, when you move your OK grips from the base of the penis to the base of the glans, you're using that blood volume to baloon the amount of expansion even further. Rather than 105% of the expansion volume, you're forcing a possible 130%. You can do this with the soft clamping if the device is the penis ring or something soft that can glide from the base of the penis to the base of the glans. Most hard and soft devices cannot do this without destroying your blood vessels and nerve along the way as the blunt traumas are causing frictional damages during the high pressure. Try to visualize a butter knife pressured on your blood vessels and nerves above your skin, and then scrap along the entire penile shaft.
6. There are guys out there - and I found a few - like me, that ..... their natural body creation is built with high resilience. Truth is, It's so much difficult for me to get sore, Does that means that because our body does not feel intensity and soreness, we cant get growth?
You can still grow, without feeling too much of the pain, the soreness, or the light tearing conditions that most brothers can. So, approach PE with the utmost care by incrementally adjust your routines. DO NOT go into PE like you're the Hulk because you cannot feel pain.
7. Doing the same routine everyday, even if you feel "intensity" can bring expected results? Must routine change?
If you cannot feel the intensity, it's perfectly fine. As long as you adjust the intensity according to phase of PE you're at. The newbies use newbie routines. The intermediate adjust intensities accordingly to where they're at in the time line or the needs. The veterans, well, they do their own things, smartly and effectively (hopefully so).
8. Are we bound to keep days with NO P.E for restoration? What if someone feels just okay? What if I can do P.E without feeling soreness, etc? What if I dont feel pain?
Nope. This is where your body tells you to either keep going or STOP and rest. However, think about the amount of damages being caused on a daily basis based on your routines. The more you push your body to do something, especially under injuries that you may not feel, the higher the damages you'll end up with in the long run. In the medical world, this is called compounding injuries, or compound injuries. It will reach the point where your body gives up on you and no longer provide recovery resources because the injuries are too great to deal with. A great example is either the rotator cuff or knees/ankles. After an injury, an individual keeps on pushing through with excessive exercises. The injuries compound to the point where the body ignores the provision of resources to deal with inflammatory responses. As the individual ages, the only resource to deal with the extreme pains is to have full regional repair through surgeries or strong medication to numb the pains. Why? Because the body doesn't care to send any more resources for repair to that specific regions.
9. Okay, dont laugh with me:: Why
@DLD has so much beautiful penis? I am not talking about size here. How did he "beautify" the penis? I cant seem to find any videos on that
A penis undergoes constant traumas during PE. This goes for discoloration, blistering, edemas, thrombosis, scarring, etc, etc. Most brothers don't care much for beautifying the penis, but the penile care is essentially a part of the beautification of the penis. Just keeping the penis moist and preventing skin from chaffing is considered as beautifying. Same for preventing blistering, or crack skins on the glans. Keeping the penis looking healthy is part of beautifying. To us males, beautifying sounds feminine. In reality, it's more than just keeping it looks healthy. It's keeping it functioning optimally.
. Exercises post!
I did very hardcore sessions and constantly turned up the intensity no matter what I did
