Thanks so much guys this thing is awesome! I switched the bolts to the large ones and used athletic prewrap stuff instead of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace bandage[/words] it comes with. I was not able to get as good of a lig stretch as I can with my hands, I don't know why. BUT the stretch in the shaft was insane. When I did Mandingos I looked super wide I feel like I can get as wide as a house doing this thing lol. Straight out and v-stretch also felt good. It grips better than other hangers and you are able to focus on breathing and technique instead of what your hands are doing. I wore it comfortably for ten min straight but took it off because it was my first time. Thanks again guys and I thought I should post a picture to show DLD is legit and these contests are legit