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Everything you are mentioning are very wise brother, and worth to thinking about. I believe I was probably not thinking through it all before posting. I was only using my own experience as a reference point. This was kind of bad, and I may look like a dushbag for not considering all aspects of the problem at hand. I'm sorry for that. 😔

I love your mindset as well. You have teach me so much vulnerable information.

I don't know about the Tunica albuginea for sure, but you are probably correct about that. I supposed I only was using my own experiences when I wrote post #615 in this thread, that was not good at all. I suppose I need to be here 10 years to get more experiences about all this. I though this PE thing could be done in like 2 years time, but now I realize that this is a lifetime commitment. Somewhat happy I get to do PE rest of my life. Can you point me to other resources regarding PE other then Rddt. I do not like Rddt, there is so much negative energy there. I mentioned LENGTHMASTER once in one of the forums/pages. But they imminently removed it. But meanwhile they are mentioning other brand of devices back and forth constantly....very strange.

Now when I think about it. For me sometimes for sure my Tunica albuginea retracts a bit and gets "hard" (MOS RED helps with that after a session), but I only need like 1-3 days (mostly 1 day) of rest. Not exactly hard, but I feel in the tissue that my penis have had enough for a while. So maybe that is what everyone are talking about? Now when I think about it the rest period I had for 4 weeks may be proof of this. My penis needed rest to heal up completely, and after that period I was longer. Very insight information indeed. Haven't thought about this before.


You are correct about the strength training as well. I have been so focused on the video in the FAQ video thread (🎞 26. Why do Some Men Gain Faster than others in Penis Enlargement? ), that I didn't think about there could actually be a genetic aspects to how fast your body are allowing you to gain. Healing time and growth, and also genetic limitations but the long game can change your predisposition. But now when I think about it. It has to be that way. Genetics play 100% a role in this. There is some truth to the video in the FAQ video thread, but it's not the whole picture.

I was a skinny and weak dude when I was 15 years old. It took approximately 17 years for me to have the strength I have today.
We need to apply the same game into penis enlargement it's a long game.


Thanks for sharing this information.
I don't really know about this one, I suppose I wrote that 5 Inch was possible due to my own experiences and progression. But as I now have realized is that, the longer you become the harder it becomes to force the penis to grow longer.
I realize it was a big claim, and an unrealistic claim. I'm again sorry for implying that, it was a good thing you corrected my narrow point of view, and thinking. It looks like I talked about things that I didn't really had a full grasp on. But I want to believe it's possible, but it will take a lot of time => A lifetime. I'm very grateful/thankful that I got this information from you. I was blind to the reality of things.

I really starting to feel the "suck" in the grind now.


A very good example indeed.
Very honored to be amongst such legends in PE.
I believe he is one of the brothers that have helped most brothers here on MOS.


I now don't believe it's common. My perspective on this was 100% out of whack.


Indeed.
I 100% agree.


No question about it. I don't question your abilities.
I think what was happening, was that I had a hard time to see everything from other perspectives. You can say I was stuck in a limiting paradigm (a box of thinking).


I'm happy for this approach. I want to keep myself open minded as much as possible. But I suppose sometimes you need someone to push you out of the "box of thinking"


I hope this cleared everything up. It's so easy to get stuck in the way we think.
Take care brothers.
Hey bro, I'm not saying at all that what you said is "wrong" and what I said is "right".
I was just sharing what I have found researching this topic.

I think that's the issue with PE, there isn't a lot of scientific studies on it so we'll have to rely heavily on empirical data and other PE'ers experiences.
The only studies I'm aware of is the phallosan forte one from their website and one more I believe on hanging (might be PE hangers the german brand, if I'm not mistaken)

My earlier research on PE was on PEgym, thundersplace, goodlookingloser and moreplatesmoredates off the top of my head.

The thing about the tunica hardening, I have literally no idea if this is the case or not as we don't have any studies on it that I'm aware of.. So again, we're bound to just follow other people's experiences..

Thanks for posting DLD's Why do Some Men Gain Faster than others in Penis Enlargement? It refreshed my memory on his wisdom on the topic and interesting to hear him talk about some people might need more intensity and some might need less. The only thing he's not bringing up in this video is the part about rest/decondition breaks. Might be because he never took any as he has expressed before.

I'm confused about the way forward but one thing is for certain, I can't continue the same way and expect different results. That's the definition of insanity. And to gain so marginally in 7 months (+0.14 in length and +0.1 in girth) something has to change. So as of right now, I have quit PE altogether since my last post and only doing the Mos Red light therapy for 20-30 mins a day and lubricate with Bio Oil.

It really sucks, to be honest - I'm really anxious to have to quit at this moment but something has to change! I might have to force myself to have a complete break of 6-8 weeks now 😣 (in hopes of that this will rejuvenate and decondition my tissues). If someone experienced not having a better alternative for me...

I also don't have a clue if this is really the case that there's a genetic component to PE. I'm just trying to gather information and experiences from others. I followed the checklist DLD gave in his video linked above:
Intensity (I stretch as hard as I can without sharp pain!)
Form (I'm 99,9% certain I have a very good form!)
Regularity of routine (I have been very consistent so this one is also checked!)

So with all the boxes ticked here the only logical conclusion I can find is the element of needing less work to gain more, which he talks about in the video...?

By the way, I was thinking about something. I know DLD gained his first 2 inches in six months from what many call "the newbie gains" and then an additional 2 inches took him 8 years if I'm not mistaken. Given that you never really took rest/decondition breaks, do you think there might be some truth to that whole "decondition thing" because you might have been "overtrained" and thus it taking so long to gain that additional 2 inches? Do you think that you might have gained faster if you incorporated breaks? @DLD . Would love to hear your thoughts on this or if you have any other input for me possibly 🙏
 
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I'm focused solely on length at the moment.

No ADS for Tommy Gun anymore.
No need to if you've achieved 2% post workout elongation.
Any more you're only making it harder to recover.

But I do 10 minutes of interval pumping at the end of my length sessions.
Interesting, would you mind breaking down your routine now? Let me know if you've already done this elsewhere.

For example, do you do length master work every day for 4 weeks and then 1 week off and then repeat? What exercise and duration etc.? Thanks!
 
@MosMaster why not do my program?

The thing with my program and progression is that I have continuessly increased the intensity. I have different techniques to increase the intensity. It's like my newbie gains haven't subsided jet. I believe some of it has to do with the intensity of my stretches (maybe genetics as well?).
I hold my stretches for 5 minutes in each bundled direction (righ/left), to get maximum elongation of the tissue after my session. I can explain deeper later if you want me to? I need to sleep now.

I'm at a point now that the intensity is so insanely high that I get like ~ 2 cm post temporary elongation after a session. Everything I'm doing works for me...and I'm still gaining.

I agree that rest is important. But when you stretch extremely hard like at 99.9% hardness (stretching force). It's like the rest will happen by itself. I'm doing 3 days on 1 day rest, sometimes I can just stretch 2 days in a row, becouse of soreness in the skin. Try to do 2 sessions per day, but sometimes it doesn't work due to skin soreness. But I do my best to keep this schedule.

I had 4 weeks ligth stretching (maintenance, due to work conditions) and that was beneficial for my progression. I was longer afterwards. So I believe in rest. Strategic and planned rest.

MOS-RED, hydrocortisone 1% and Locobase® REPAIR is essential for me to heal up.

People say the tunica hardens, but can't it instead be that they need to increase the intensity? I believe in short burst stretching, and in these conditions for at least for me it have been working.

I want to help you brother.
 
@MosMaster why not do my program?

The thing with my program and progression is that I have continuessly increased the intensity. I have different techniques to increase the intensity. It's like my newbie gains haven't subsided jet. I believe some of it has to do with the intensity of my stretches (maybe genetics as well?).
I hold my stretches for 5 minutes in each bundled direction (righ/left), to get maximum elongation of the tissue after my session. I can explain deeper later if you want me to? I need to sleep now.

I'm at a point now that the intensity is so insanely high that I get like ~ 2 cm post temporary elongation after a session. Everything I'm doing works for me...and I'm still gaining.

I agree that rest is important. But when you stretch extremely hard like at 99.9% hardness (stretching force). It's like the rest will happen by itself. I'm doing 3 days on 1 day rest, sometimes I can just stretch 2 days in a row, becouse of soreness in the skin. Try to do 2 sessions per day, but sometimes it doesn't work due to skin soreness. But I do my best to keep this schedule.

I had 4 weeks ligth stretching (maintenance, due to work conditions) and that was beneficial for my progression. I was longer afterwards. So I believe in rest. Strategic and planned rest.

MOS-RED, hydrocortisone 1% and Locobase® REPAIR is essential for me to heal up.

People say the tunica hardens, but can't it instead be that they need to increase the intensity? I believe in short burst stretching, and in these conditions for at least for me it have been working.

I want to help you brother.
No better advice
 
Interesting, would you mind breaking down your routine now? Let me know if you've already done this elsewhere.

For example, do you do length master work every day for 4 weeks and then 1 week off and then repeat? What exercise and duration etc.? Thanks!
I started off basically as a beginner after 8 weeks completely off from PE.
As light as I could.

Only 5lbs of tension.
20 minutes in the extender.

I actually bought an apex extender and I use a vacuum cup on it.

I don't use the LM anymore because I was developing some noticeable turkey neck and I was not about that.

My current extender holds the base in place so I'm no longer going to get any and it has slowly but surely gone away completely now.

My progression is on my forum.

As of rn I'm up to 35 minutes in the extender. Taking a quick break 10-20 seconds every 5 minutes.

Then I finish off my routine with 10 minutes of interval pumping in the mityvac.

Started off with 6.5 Hg and I'm up to 8 Hg and I see myself staying at that pressure for at least the next 4 weeks
 
The key is to combine LENGTHMASTER 3 work with Ball & Lig Stretches, your turkey neck will be a thing in the past.

Just adding in some information.
You guys probably know about this. But there are many brothers that lurk, and get the information that way.
I've just been crunched for time so I didn't want to add even more to my routine.
But ball and lig stretches definitely work
 
I love your mindset and positive outlook and your willingness to always help!

But bro, at the same time we need to look at this objectively with our collective intelligence here...

I can imagine you have at least done as much research on PE as I have (if not more).

How many cases have you stumbled on where someone gained 5 inches? I only know 1. Before I found MOS I researched other forums and the consensus seems to usually be that gaining 1 inch is somewhat achievable for most, 2 inches is possible but needs a great amount of dedication and focus for a longer time and 3 inches a very few achieve with the utmost dedication for years. Not trying to limit anyone's mindset or goal here, I'm just trying to express what I have found from studying MANY cases on many different forums.

I've read countless old threads on MOS of people being in this game for 5, 10, 15 years or more who are still on their first inch gain, second or chasing their third. Yes, not everyone is as dedicated as others are. But some are very dedicated.

If I may take @huge-girth as an example, I believe he has been in this game well over 10 years by now and I believe he has gained just a bit over 2 inches. Yes, he has had some periods off and all. But this is also an example of the actual reality.

Yes, there are people who pop up on the forum and claim amazing gains like 1.5-2 inches in a very short time period (and yourself of course) and I believe them! But just how common is it really? When you're taking everything into account. And I would imagine that we who actually post on this forum and are active are a minority and the hidden statistics of all the lurkers are not even being noticed. I believe we who are active probably are the most dedicated and serious and that way gain the most, ultimately. So with that in mind, I believe people on average are actually gaining even less, if all this makes sense!

If we compare it to bodybuilding, some people achieve an amazing physique in their first year of training. And the next guy may have to work harder for 3-5 years to even come close because of their genetic makeup. There must be at least somewhat of a similar occurrence when it comes to PE in my mind. Super responders vs. hard gainers. If you take everything you know into account, doesn't that make sense?

I mean, from my perspective, it's just a little bit simplistic to say it's all about the intensity and the program. We all know the best practices and exercises and all the details around it and that we need to stretch as hard as we can just before actual sharp pain occurs.

Still, we gain very differently...

And if I can take @Tommy Gun as an example, if I'm not mixing him up with someone else, he is a very big strong jacked guy who has been into fitness for many many years. I would never believe he has a problem with intensity as well. And for myself, I'm also a pretty strong and big guy (and also been training with fatgripz for years so my grip strength are much stronger then the average. I fucking stretch all that I can. Sure, I CAN stretch a bit harder, but that would seriously risk injury.

And by the way, how can you be 100% sure that the tunica can't be hardened over time when hundreds and hundreds of people over many years have experienced this? I'm not trying to call you out here or anything like that. I'm just inviting a healthy debate on the above topics so we can all learn and avoid black-and-white thinking!

Keep in mind, this is just my thoughts/experiences. Would love to hear what you guys think about it!
Very well said brother. Coming from a guy that was plateaued for years, making me a hard gainer.

Luckily I’ve started gaining again by wearing an extender at near full traction for hours everyday, gotta find what works for you and I know I got to be intense in my PE routines as I’ve tried the «less is more» approach to no avail.
 
Here's a video where he is discussing some of the points we have discussed so far @Tommy Gun @huge-girth @squirt_inducer_man

From 6:10 to 11:20 he talks about separating length/girth and then decondition breaks. Let me know what you think!

This makes sense to me now.
I don't know why I was so looked in on the hard way.

There is a point where you can overwork your penis.
I feel this is happening in my penis now. The tissue needs recovery. Very interesting video.
 
This makes sense to me now.
I don't know why I was so looked in on the hard way.

There is a point where you can overwork your penis.
I feel this is happening in my penis now. The tissue needs recovery. Very interesting video.
I got like that pretty early on in my journey.
Stopped seeing growth only 4-5 months in and was stagnant for almost a year due to overwork and consistent injuries.

Took a long break (2 months) and started like a beginner again and am seeing growth again.

I'm convinced you don't need as much work as previously thought to grow
 
I got like that pretty early on in my journey.
Stopped seeing growth only 4-5 months in and was stagnant for almost a year due to overwork and consistent injuries.

Took a long break (2 months) and started like a beginner again and am seeing growth again.

I'm convinced you don't need as much work as previously thought to grow
Great you are seeing gains again.

I'm also convinced to that. I have only manage to do one session per day now at the end. And that feels enough for some reason.

My penis are really telling me to take a rest. I don't know if I'm doing that. But I belive that would be the best decision. I have seen benefits with longer rests before. Maybe this is the window I'm looking for. Some relaxation finally

I'm also contemplating on stopping lengthwork completely for now.
 
Great you are seeing gains again.

I'm also convinced to that. I have only manage to do one session per day now at the end. And that feels enough for some reason.

My penis are really telling me to take a rest. I don't know if I'm doing that. But I belive that would be the best decision. I have seen benefits with longer rests before. Maybe this is the window I'm looking for. Some relaxation finally

I'm also contemplating on stopping lengthwork completely for now.
Gonna go after girth?
 
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