MosMaster
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Very soon my brother! Never forget how fucking awesome your brief journey has been up to this point! Stay in gratitude and you’ll soon be back with a vengeance
Progress thread My All-Out SRT Routine!
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Thank you brother. You are correct, my journey have been awesome. I will try stay in graditude.
I would enlarge them by stretching over a thick item like a bottle of coke. This usually solves the issue
MosMaster
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Damn brother I was struggling so hard to keep it up due to nervousness haha.. Had like a 3 second time window to measure before I rapidly went flaccid again haha... But now I've double checked multiple times because I couldn't really believe it!
BPEL: EXACTLY AT 8" MARK (pushing the ruler hard into bone)
NBPEL: 7.24" (pushing the ruler lightly into skin)
MSEG: 5.9"
This is crazy...
Update:
The quote above is from mars. Today I got around to measure again (almost been 7 months since last time, with around 3-4 weeks off PE during this period, so I have had 6 solid months of active PE work between measurements)
So... As far as results go... the new measurements were kind of depressing, to say the least:
BPFSL 8.46" (21,5 cm) this is the first time I ever measure this btw
BPEL 8.14" (20,7 cm) difference since mars: 0.14"
MSEG 6" (15,4 cm) difference since mars: 0.1"
Why did I gain so little?... Did I do too much?.. Did I do too little?.. Am I being a bitch when it comes to intensity?... So many questions right now...
Like for fuck sake I've been obsessing with PE for like 1.5 years now researching A LOT. Countless hours...
I follow some of the "new school" PE'ers on youtube etc. and they talk a lot about rest being very important, so I worry about if I've been overdoing it (overtraining) and thus hurting my results...
On the flipside though, if I listen to the more "old school" PE'ers on here they could easily make the case that I've been undertraining with their standards so I'm really confused as to where I should go from here.
GIVING UP IS NOT AN OPTION... Just really frustrated at this point as I really didn't expect this slow progression...
I've been training actively for like 1.5 years now and over a full year with DAILY PE. Very low off days. I've been focused heavily on length master work and also 4-5 months of vacuum hanging, but I'm back to LM work now.
On average I would say I've been doing like 40 mins of active stretching everyday (sometimes 60 mins and sometimes 30 mins so probably 40 mins on average EVERYDAY almost)
Also girth almost everyday.
Equipment:
Length master
Silistretcher
Silisleeves
Mos Red (red light therapy, which I use daily)
MityVac
Bathmate x40
Keeping extended for AT LEAST 5-7 hours everyday after length work AND 1-2 hours with cock ring after girth...
I feel like I've ticked off every box that one needs to consider to get optimal results BUT STILL THIS HAPPENED...
What could possibly been the issue here, or is this normal? Where do I go from here brotherhood.....!
@DLD @squirt_inducer_man @huge-girth and all the rest of you loyal brothers!
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The slow rate at which length gains are made once you gain over 2 inches in length is the reason why I decided to focus fully on girth work. The plan is to max out the mityvac.
The girth gains you made for the past 6 months is highly shocking and disappointing too. I will advice you take Viagra before measuring. And also, measure when you are very aroused. That should do it.
I noticed that my gains don't show unless there is excessive blood flow into the penis.
This could be a lack of blood flow problem. I've been training for 4 to 5 days a week. I believe there should be off days for girth at least twice a week.
I'm very confused right now. Don't give up brother.
It took Redzulu 4 solid years to get to 7 inches. I told myself recently that, it will take me 3 to 4 years to really max out the 2.5 cylinder even when my base girth was 6 inches when I started pumping in January 2023.
When I want to measure, I will surely be very aroused and also smoke my weed because weed gives the blood flow that no pill can ever give me.
@DLD also had problems with gaining girth but he found a way around it. I suggest we wait for his comment.
The girth gains you made for the past 6 months is highly shocking and disappointing too. I will advice you take Viagra before measuring. And also, measure when you are very aroused. That should do it.
I noticed that my gains don't show unless there is excessive blood flow into the penis.
This could be a lack of blood flow problem. I've been training for 4 to 5 days a week. I believe there should be off days for girth at least twice a week.
I'm very confused right now. Don't give up brother.
It took Redzulu 4 solid years to get to 7 inches. I told myself recently that, it will take me 3 to 4 years to really max out the 2.5 cylinder even when my base girth was 6 inches when I started pumping in January 2023.
When I want to measure, I will surely be very aroused and also smoke my weed because weed gives the blood flow that no pill can ever give me.
@DLD also had problems with gaining girth but he found a way around it. I suggest we wait for his comment.
MosMaster
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Thank you for your comment.
Yes, EQ could potentially play a role here as I had trouble getting a full erection easily, so that could be skewing the numbers somewhat. Maybe I should try to measure some other day soon again.
I've also heard from many people that after 2" length gain (and maybe 1" girth gain?) many seem to experience it being harder to gain consistently.
But the thing is I've only gained about 1" in length since starting with PE myself... I desperately need that additional 1-inch length gain!
Good advice on getting viagra, I think it's time for me to use that for training! Need to find a good place to buy it from (if anyone has a good place let me know)
It's just frustrating to not know if I am doing too much or doing too little?! Drives me crazy...
At least I need to remind myself to be greatful to have achieved my initial goal of 6" MSEG and a longer flaccid, to keep things in perspective
Are you only doing girth now? At what size will you have maxed out your mityvac, 7" MSEG? And lastly, what have your gains been so far this year?
I was in the same boat as you brother.Thank you for your comment.
Yes, EQ could potentially play a role here as I had trouble getting a full erection easily, so that could be skewing the numbers somewhat. Maybe I should try to measure some other day soon again.
I've also heard from many people that after 2" length gain (and maybe 1" girth gain?) many seem to experience it being harder to gain consistently.
But the thing is I've only gained about 1" in length since starting with PE myself... I desperately need that additional 1-inch length gain!
Good advice on getting viagra, I think it's time for me to use that for training! Need to find a good place to buy it from (if anyone has a good place let me know)
It's just frustrating to not know if I am doing too much or doing too little?! Drives me crazy...
At least I need to remind myself to be greatful to have achieved my initial goal of 6" MSEG and a longer flaccid, to keep things in perspective
Are you only doing girth now? At what size will you have maxed out your mityvac, 7" MSEG? And lastly, what have your gains been so far this year?
What worked for me was to take 8 weeks off of P.E. and start again.
I understand that sounds insane because we've been taught more is more.
But I went like 8+ months getting 0 gains.
My reason might be different than yours but I was all about having to do the absolute most all day every day.
Which for me (maybe you) just led to injuries.
Over and over and over again.
Then when I'd finally get healed up I'd try to go right back to it and just hurt myself again.
It's a hard pill to swallow. But my advice is take 6-8 weeks completely off.
Then don't go so damn hard once you're back haha
I've gained 1/4 inch BPEL in 70 days as opposed to 0 in the last 9 months.
Less is more. I believe that now.
If you're just yanking the living shit out of your dick all day everyday you're gonna have problems.
You'll also make your tunica strong as fuck regardless if you do bundles or not. It will adapt.
I cant tell you what will work for you. But for me taking time off then coming back slow made me gain like a newbie again.
I'm just over 1.5 inches gained in length since the start of my P.E. journey.
Hope you find something that works for you brother
Thank you for your comment.
Yes, EQ could potentially play a role here as I had trouble getting a full erection easily, so that could be skewing the numbers somewhat. Maybe I should try to measure some other day soon again.
I've also heard from many people that after 2" length gain (and maybe 1" girth gain?) many seem to experience it being harder to gain consistently.
But the thing is I've only gained about 1" in length since starting with PE myself... I desperately need that additional 1-inch length gain!
Good advice on getting viagra, I think it's time for me to use that for training! Need to find a good place to buy it from (if anyone has a good place let me know)
It's just frustrating to not know if I am doing too much or doing too little?! Drives me crazy...
At least I need to remind myself to be greatful to have achieved my initial goal of 6" MSEG and a longer flaccid, to keep things in perspective
Are you only doing girth now? At what size will you have maxed out your mityvac, 7" MSEG? And lastly, what have your gains been so far this year?
Believe me, the problem is with your EQ. I believe you have made gains but erection quality is poor. My last measurement was in June and I haven't measured since then. I notice my penis is thicker whenever I smoke so I will be smoking once it's time to to measure.
Yes I'm only doing girth now and I'm getting to realize that it's going to take longer to max out the pump than I thought. For this reason, I've stopped length work completely since May. I want to max out the pump I have. I'm giving myself 4 years to achieve it.
I've not measured length since 2020.
Yes less is more. I noticed my base girth is even more thicker now than it was in June. I am training 2 days on and 1 day off. It seems to be working. Sometimes I do 2 days on and 2 days off. It works for me. I just hope I don't run into problems.
MosMaster
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Thanks Tommy G
I think there's a lot of truth in what you're saying regarding taking time off. I did however have a complete break of 3-4 weeks during this period so that should have deconditioned me at least somewhat.. hmm...
Was your 8 weeks off completely off with NOTHING PE related? (no ADS or whatever?
I can definitely relate to the need to hammer away every day obsessively. Like taking pride in the grind and the ability to withstand it lol
Maybe I need to seriously consider taking your advice now because something has to change... I can't continue to gain at this rate. It also speaks to the "new schoolers" approach to rest/decondition that I mentioned earlier. Just hoping to get more input from more people and their experiences.
What's your training frequency now? When did you start your PE journey?
Take 25mg of Viagra and watch a very hot adult entertainment video. Measure 40 minutes after taking the Viagra. Measure late night when your balls sack is hanging loose. This should help too.
8 weeks 100% off from any kind of training.
No pump, ads, hanging, etc.
The only action my dick was getting was sex and masturbation.
My frequency is 1 day on 1 day off.
I'm 74 days in rn doing that split and my dick is the healthiest it's ever been.
Insane EQ, longer flaccid after sessions, and I haven't even worn an ADS in like 5 months and I'm growing like a weed.
Again, it's different. I'm not saying you can't gain from the old school approach.
But for me I got to a point to where I needed a less demanding schedule so I could focus on other things than just my dick.
I've been off and on PE since high-school.
Like most just starting with manuals, jelqs, etc.
Didn't take it serious until I joined here like 16 months ago or something like that
@MosMaster I don't really know what to say really. I'm sorry you haven't gained more.
But you probably know what I promote?
I 100% don't agree with this.
And this is pure disinformation.
The key to not get stuck in a plateau is to increase the intensity progressively. The Tunica albuginea will not get stronger or tougher to stretch. It's penis tissue and it's supposed to be able to be ballooned up with blood in order support a strong erection. So I don't understand why this myth still exist? Imagine the Tunica Albuginea getting harder/strong as fuck, you wouldn't be able to have an erection?
But you need to be willing to stretch harder then you have ever stretched before, and you only need LENGTHMASTER 3, and this pel.wrap (
My penis elongation wrap). The modifications I did to my LM3 I didn't do them for fun, I did them in order to be able to stretch insanely hard, and bundled more rotation and be able to stretch with the same angle of attack.
The thing is that I know for a fact that most brothers, are not stretching hard enough with LM3.
This is what is so frustrating to me, I gain like crazy and nobody are willing to follow my program. I don't say this to seam better in some way. It's just so frustrating when I know the possibilities. I want to set a new standard of the norm of what is possible.
I promote high intensity stretching, and then keeping the tissue expanded/elongated throughout the day. For me this is the most efficient way to gain. Why put multiple hours in, when you can get all the gains with active stretching for 20 min x 2 times/day (3 days on, 1 day off)? The key is to always keep your tissue elongated when you are not stretching actively.
The pel.wrap I have developed keeps the penis both elongated and expanded.
Everything I talked about in this post I have shared on the forum. You are free to follow it and you will be amazed on how fast you can gain length with my methods.
@MosMaster I believe you need higher intensity in short bursts in order to gain faster. The reverse Kegel while stretching is really important. As well as the healing part.
I'm just trying my best to help. Don't take this as criticism or something like that. I just want to help out.
Kind regards brothers
By the way, I will be less active on the forum now, I have so much to do outside of penis enlargement, so I need to set my priorities right.
But you probably know what I promote?
I 100% don't agree with this.
It's possible to gain fast constantly up to at least 10 Inch BPEL (+ 5 Inch), I'm sure of it (with the right program, and intensity).
And this is pure disinformation.
The reason this belief exist in the world of penis enlargement is that when brothers stop gaining, they want to blame their penis and not their program or strategy.
The key to not get stuck in a plateau is to increase the intensity progressively. The Tunica albuginea will not get stronger or tougher to stretch. It's penis tissue and it's supposed to be able to be ballooned up with blood in order support a strong erection. So I don't understand why this myth still exist? Imagine the Tunica Albuginea getting harder/strong as fuck, you wouldn't be able to have an erection?
But you need to be willing to stretch harder then you have ever stretched before, and you only need LENGTHMASTER 3, and this pel.wrap (
My penis elongation wrap). The modifications I did to my LM3 I didn't do them for fun, I did them in order to be able to stretch insanely hard, and bundled more rotation and be able to stretch with the same angle of attack.The thing is that I know for a fact that most brothers, are not stretching hard enough with LM3.
This is what is so frustrating to me, I gain like crazy and nobody are willing to follow my program. I don't say this to seam better in some way. It's just so frustrating when I know the possibilities. I want to set a new standard of the norm of what is possible.
I promote high intensity stretching, and then keeping the tissue expanded/elongated throughout the day. For me this is the most efficient way to gain. Why put multiple hours in, when you can get all the gains with active stretching for 20 min x 2 times/day (3 days on, 1 day off)? The key is to always keep your tissue elongated when you are not stretching actively.
The pel.wrap I have developed keeps the penis both elongated and expanded.
Everything I talked about in this post I have shared on the forum. You are free to follow it and you will be amazed on how fast you can gain length with my methods.
@MosMaster I believe you need higher intensity in short bursts in order to gain faster. The reverse Kegel while stretching is really important. As well as the healing part.
I'm just trying my best to help. Don't take this as criticism or something like that. I just want to help out.
Kind regards brothers
By the way, I will be less active on the forum now, I have so much to do outside of penis enlargement, so I need to set my priorities right.
@MosMaster I don't really know what to say really. I'm sorry you haven't gained more.
But you probably know what I promote?
I 100% don't agree with this.
It's possible to gain fast constantly up to at least 10 Inch BPEL (+ 5 Inch), I'm sure of it (with the right program, and intensity).
And this is pure disinformation.
The reason this belief exist in the world of penis enlargement is that when brothers stop gaining, they want to blame their penis and not their program or strategy.
The key to not get stuck in a plateau is to increase the intensity progressively. The Tunica albuginea will not get stronger or tougher to stretch. It's penis tissue and it's supposed to be able to be ballooned up with blood in order support a strong erection. So I don't understand why this myth still exist? Imagine the Tunica Albuginea getting harder/strong as fuck, you wouldn't be able to have an erection?
But you need to be willing to stretch harder then you have ever stretched before, and you only need LENGTHMASTER 3, and this pel.wrap (
The thing is that I know for a fact that most brothers, are not stretching hard enough with LM3.
This is what is so frustrating to me, I gain like crazy and nobody are willing to follow my program. I don't say this to seam better in some way. It's just so frustrating when I know the possibilities. I want to set a new standard of the norm of what is possible.
I promote high intensity stretching, and then keeping the tissue expanded/elongated throughout the day. For me this is the most efficient way to gain. Why put multiple hours in, when you can get all the gains with active stretching for 20 min x 2 times/day (3 days on, 1 day off)? The key is to always keep your tissue elongated when you are not stretching actively.
The pel.wrap I have developed keeps the penis both elongated and expanded.
Everything I talked about in this post I have shared on the forum. You are free to follow it and you will be amazed on how fast you can gain length with my methods.
@MosMaster I believe you need higher intensity in short bursts in order to gain faster. The reverse Kegel while stretching is really important. As well as the healing part.
I'm just trying my best to help. Don't take this as criticism or something like that. I just want to help out.
Kind regards brothers
By the way, I will be less active on the forum now, I have so much to do outside of penis enlargement, so I need to set my priorities right.
I disagree with my quote you mentioned. We all gain differently. Some people gain fast like DLD. Some gain slow.
Okey.
This must be the reason. You have been so dedicated so there must be some major length gains. I'm sure of it. When I personally measure I need to make sure my erection is at 110%, but that may be because I have a
penis and I need to force it in line with my wooden ruler.But as long as they remain consistent, there will always be gains and with time they will eventually get to their dream size. The more gains you make in length, the harder it becomes to get more gains.
Let's say you gained 2 inches within your first 6 months. You cannot gain another 2 inches within the next 6 months. You might not even gain up to 1 full inch in that 6 months.
This is a sad reality but if you make PE a lifestyle, the little gains will build up to that dream size of 10 inches. But it will take longer.
The first 2 inches is easy.
You are correct about that. The longer you get, the harder it is to force the penis to grow longer, I have seen this for myself.
You will still gain but not as quick as the first 6 months.
Yes I agree.
I'm sorry if I write so much in your progress thread now @MosMaster.At least I need to remind myself to be greatful to have achieved my initial goal of 6" MSEG and a longer flaccid, to keep things in perspective
I suppose the previous
post #615 I wrote, was a little bit on the extreme side. Stretching so hard that your dick almost fall off, that is: Not probably what I should recommend as a moderator.I will not recommend that. We need to gain size in a safe way. But you know me, Mike Mentzer style
I'm very happy to hear that your goal of 6" MSEG is accomplished that's really amazing, and the longer flaccid really makes me curious, if not hanging is the best way to accomplish this longer flaccid hang?
- How long are your flaccid hang now? 10 Inch?
Because that was what you did for the majority of the time right?
If I don't remember incorrectly you sit in front of the computer every day and work, and then hanging is the most effective and logical way to do penis enlargement?
Personally rest from time to time have been beneficial for me, sometimes that happen when I didn't want any rest, but was forced due to life circumstances.
I was at a "praktik" (don't know the English word) through my educational program, and after that rest (did like one LM3 session per week for 4 weeks). My BPEL value had shoot up. Maybe running around with a wrapped up fluid retention dick, had something to do with it.
(getting into the cold outside, and not be able to remove the pel.wrap when inside and re-apply it immediately = fluid retention sometimes).
So I believe rest is highly important to incoperate into the penis enlargement program.
I believe 4 weeks is the most amount of rest you need, if you feel like you need that.
But during that rest I recommend that you incorporate a maintenance program, like light stretching with LENGTHMASTER 3. I recommend the beginner routine for this. Just to keep the Tunica albuginea loosen up, and your flaccid hang hanging. If you completely stop my belief is that, it will be harder to get back into bundled stretches. This was the case for me.
After I did this short video, my flaccid hang was much longer (didn't even held the stretches for 1 minute), so this can be a good way to keep the penis healthy during the rest period.
LENGTHMASTER 3 - Beginner routine (follow link to video instruction).or you can just do like BTC stretches at the bed lying down. I'm sure you know what to do. Sorry for explaining so much in details. I believe the more information we share and discuss, the faster will everyone gain.
Just trying to give feedback and trying to help.
Kind regards brother. Wish you well.
Maybe strong af wasn't the right terminology to use but adaptation.@MosMaster I don't really know what to say really. I'm sorry you haven't gained more.
But you probably know what I promote?
I 100% don't agree with this.
It's possible to gain fast constantly up to at least 10 Inch BPEL (+ 5 Inch), I'm sure of it (with the right program, and intensity).
And this is pure disinformation.
The reason this belief exist in the world of penis enlargement is that when brothers stop gaining, they want to blame their penis and not their program or strategy.
The key to not get stuck in a plateau is to increase the intensity progressively. The Tunica albuginea will not get stronger or tougher to stretch. It's penis tissue and it's supposed to be able to be ballooned up with blood in order support a strong erection. So I don't understand why this myth still exist? Imagine the Tunica Albuginea getting harder/strong as fuck, you wouldn't be able to have an erection?
But you need to be willing to stretch harder then you have ever stretched before, and you only need LENGTHMASTER 3, and this pel.wrap (
The thing is that I know for a fact that most brothers, are not stretching hard enough with LM3.
This is what is so frustrating to me, I gain like crazy and nobody are willing to follow my program. I don't say this to seam better in some way. It's just so frustrating when I know the possibilities. I want to set a new standard of the norm of what is possible.
I promote high intensity stretching, and then keeping the tissue expanded/elongated throughout the day. For me this is the most efficient way to gain. Why put multiple hours in, when you can get all the gains with active stretching for 20 min x 2 times/day (3 days on, 1 day off)? The key is to always keep your tissue elongated when you are not stretching actively.
The pel.wrap I have developed keeps the penis both elongated and expanded.
Everything I talked about in this post I have shared on the forum. You are free to follow it and you will be amazed on how fast you can gain length with my methods.
@MosMaster I believe you need higher intensity in short bursts in order to gain faster. The reverse Kegel while stretching is really important. As well as the healing part.
I'm just trying my best to help. Don't take this as criticism or something like that. I just want to help out.
Kind regards brothers
By the way, I will be less active on the forum now, I have so much to do outside of penis enlargement, so I need to set my priorities right.
I spend less than 5 minutes doing manual bundled stretches before my routine now.
Before I was doing 40 total minutes of bundled stretches in a device with way more force AND wearing an ADS for 6-8 hours a day.
0 gains made.
So maybe you're right. It was my program. I was doing far too much.
Because 40 minutes bundled should have had my tunica broken down to the point where I should have been growing.
Like @huge-girth said. Everyone is different.
I tried the intense sessions and it only worked for a short while for me.
Interestig. Yeah the programming is very important.
MosMaster
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Thanks for your input.
What was your recent girth gain? Like what did you measure in June and what was your measurement date and stats when you measured before that?
MosMaster
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Interesting
Do you do girth and length?
So no keeping it elongated after length work at all?
Before I started on the 9th of January, I measured 5.5 inches mid shaft. By end of June, I measured again and saw 6 inches mid shaft. I've not measured since that time.
MosMaster
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Here's a video where he is discussing some of the points we have discussed so far @Tommy Gun @huge-girth @squirt_inducer_man
From 6:10 to 11:20 he talks about separating length/girth and then decondition breaks. Let me know what you think!
From 6:10 to 11:20 he talks about separating length/girth and then decondition breaks. Let me know what you think!
MosMaster
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@MosMaster I don't really know what to say really. I'm sorry you haven't gained more.
But you probably know what I promote?
I 100% don't agree with this.
It's possible to gain fast constantly up to at least 10 Inch BPEL (+ 5 Inch), I'm sure of it (with the right program, and intensity).
And this is pure disinformation.
The reason this belief exist in the world of penis enlargement is that when brothers stop gaining, they want to blame their penis and not their program or strategy.
The key to not get stuck in a plateau is to increase the intensity progressively. The Tunica albuginea will not get stronger or tougher to stretch. It's penis tissue and it's supposed to be able to be ballooned up with blood in order support a strong erection. So I don't understand why this myth still exist? Imagine the Tunica Albuginea getting harder/strong as fuck, you wouldn't be able to have an erection?
But you need to be willing to stretch harder then you have ever stretched before, and you only need LENGTHMASTER 3, and this pel.wrap (
The thing is that I know for a fact that most brothers, are not stretching hard enough with LM3.
This is what is so frustrating to me, I gain like crazy and nobody are willing to follow my program. I don't say this to seam better in some way. It's just so frustrating when I know the possibilities. I want to set a new standard of the norm of what is possible.
I promote high intensity stretching, and then keeping the tissue expanded/elongated throughout the day. For me this is the most efficient way to gain. Why put multiple hours in, when you can get all the gains with active stretching for 20 min x 2 times/day (3 days on, 1 day off)? The key is to always keep your tissue elongated when you are not stretching actively.
The pel.wrap I have developed keeps the penis both elongated and expanded.
Everything I talked about in this post I have shared on the forum. You are free to follow it and you will be amazed on how fast you can gain length with my methods.
@MosMaster I believe you need higher intensity in short bursts in order to gain faster. The reverse Kegel while stretching is really important. As well as the healing part.
I'm just trying my best to help. Don't take this as criticism or something like that. I just want to help out.
Kind regards brothers
By the way, I will be less active on the forum now, I have so much to do outside of penis enlargement, so I need to set my priorities right.
I love your mindset and positive outlook and your willingness to always help!
But bro, at the same time we need to look at this objectively with our collective intelligence here...
I can imagine you have at least done as much research on PE as I have (if not more).
How many cases have you stumbled on where someone gained 5 inches? I only know 1. Before I found MOS I researched other forums and the consensus seems to usually be that gaining 1 inch is somewhat achievable for most, 2 inches is possible but needs a great amount of dedication and focus for a longer time and 3 inches a very few achieve with the utmost dedication for years. Not trying to limit anyone's mindset or goal here, I'm just trying to express what I have found from studying MANY cases on many different forums.
I've read countless old threads on MOS of people being in this game for 5, 10, 15 years or more who are still on their first inch gain, second or chasing their third. Yes, not everyone is as dedicated as others are. But some are very dedicated.
If I may take @huge-girth as an example, I believe he has been in this game well over 10 years by now and I believe he has gained just a bit over 2 inches. Yes, he has had some periods off and all. But this is also an example of the actual reality.
Yes, there are people who pop up on the forum and claim amazing gains like 1.5-2 inches in a very short time period (and yourself of course) and I believe them! But just how common is it really? When you're taking everything into account. And I would imagine that we who actually post on this forum and are active are a minority and the hidden statistics of all the lurkers are not even being noticed. I believe we who are active probably are the most dedicated and serious and that way gain the most, ultimately. So with that in mind, I believe people on average are actually gaining even less, if all this makes sense!
If we compare it to bodybuilding, some people achieve an amazing physique in their first year of training. And the next guy may have to work harder for 3-5 years to even come close because of their genetic makeup. There must be at least somewhat of a similar occurrence when it comes to PE in my mind. Super responders vs. hard gainers. If you take everything you know into account, doesn't that make sense?
I mean, from my perspective, it's just a little bit simplistic to say it's all about the intensity and the program. We all know the best practices and exercises and all the details around it and that we need to stretch as hard as we can just before actual sharp pain occurs.
Still, we gain very differently...
And if I can take @Tommy Gun as an example, if I'm not mixing him up with someone else, he is a very big strong jacked guy who has been into fitness for many many years. I would never believe he has a problem with intensity as well. And for myself, I'm also a pretty strong and big guy (and also been training with fatgripz for years so my grip strength are much stronger then the average. I fucking stretch all that I can. Sure, I CAN stretch a bit harder, but that would seriously risk injury.
And by the way, how can you be 100% sure that the tunica can't be hardened over time when hundreds and hundreds of people over many years have experienced this? I'm not trying to call you out here or anything like that. I'm just inviting a healthy debate on the above topics so we can all learn and avoid black-and-white thinking!
Keep in mind, this is just my thoughts/experiences. Would love to hear what you guys think about it!
Big Dick Energy
Member
Without sounding inexperienced what’s this DLD Blasters we talk about is there a feed somewhere on this forum where I can understand what it means?
I'm focused solely on length at the moment.
No ADS for Tommy Gun anymore.
No need to if you've achieved 2% post workout elongation.
Any more you're only making it harder to recover.
But I do 10 minutes of interval pumping at the end of my length sessions.
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Thats what im saying!
Guys that have been doing P.E. the longest have strengthened their tunica to the point it needs serious time off and/or therapy to make it pliable for growth again.
Which I believe is a massive reason for stunted growth.
I forgot to mention I take a week off after every 4 weeks of training
Check the third post on this thread
Everything you are mentioning are very wise brother, and worth to thinking about. I believe I was probably not thinking through it all before posting. I was only using my own experience as a reference point. This was kind of bad, and I may look like a dushbag for not considering all aspects of the problem at hand. I'm sorry for that. 
I love your mindset as well. You have teach me so much vulnerable information.
I don't know about the Tunica albuginea for sure, but you are probably correct about that. I supposed I only was using my own experiences when I wrote post #615 in this thread, that was not good at all. I suppose I need to be here 10 years to get more experiences about all this. I though this PE thing could be done in like 2 years time, but now I realize that this is a lifetime commitment. Somewhat happy I get to do PE rest of my life. Can you point me to other resources regarding PE other then other discussion site. I do not like other discussion site, there is so much negative energy there. I mentioned LENGTHMASTER once in one of the forums/pages. But they imminently removed it. But meanwhile they are mentioning other brand of devices back and forth constantly....very strange.
Now when I think about it. For me sometimes for sure my Tunica albuginea retracts a bit and gets "hard" (MOS RED helps with that after a session), but I only need like 1-3 days (mostly 1 day) of rest. Not exactly hard, but I feel in the tissue that my penis have had enough for a while. So maybe that is what everyone are talking about? Now when I think about it the rest period I had for 4 weeks may be proof of this. My penis needed rest to heal up completely, and after that period I was longer. Very insight information indeed. Haven't thought about this before.
I was a skinny and weak dude when I was 15 years old. It took approximately 17 years for me to have the strength I have today.
We need to apply the same game into penis enlargement it's a long game.
I don't really know about this one, I suppose I wrote that 5 Inch was possible due to my own experiences and progression. But as I now have realized is that, the longer you become the harder it becomes to force the penis to grow longer.
I realize it was a big claim, and an unrealistic claim. I'm again sorry for implying that, it was a good thing you corrected my narrow point of view, and thinking. It looks like I talked about things that I didn't really had a full grasp on. But I want to believe it's possible, but it will take a lot of time => A lifetime. I'm very grateful/thankful that I got this information from you. I was blind to the reality of things.
I really starting to feel the "suck" in the grind now.
Very honored to be amongst such legends in PE.
I believe he is one of the brothers that have helped most brothers here on MOS.
I 100% agree.
I think what was happening, was that I had a hard time to see everything from other perspectives. You can say I was stuck in a limiting paradigm (a box of thinking).
I hope this cleared everything up. It's so easy to get stuck in the way we think.
Take care brothers.
I love your mindset as well. You have teach me so much vulnerable information.
I don't know about the Tunica albuginea for sure, but you are probably correct about that. I supposed I only was using my own experiences when I wrote post #615 in this thread, that was not good at all. I suppose I need to be here 10 years to get more experiences about all this. I though this PE thing could be done in like 2 years time, but now I realize that this is a lifetime commitment. Somewhat happy I get to do PE rest of my life. Can you point me to other resources regarding PE other then other discussion site. I do not like other discussion site, there is so much negative energy there. I mentioned LENGTHMASTER once in one of the forums/pages. But they imminently removed it. But meanwhile they are mentioning other brand of devices back and forth constantly....very strange.
Now when I think about it. For me sometimes for sure my Tunica albuginea retracts a bit and gets "hard" (MOS RED helps with that after a session), but I only need like 1-3 days (mostly 1 day) of rest. Not exactly hard, but I feel in the tissue that my penis have had enough for a while. So maybe that is what everyone are talking about? Now when I think about it the rest period I had for 4 weeks may be proof of this. My penis needed rest to heal up completely, and after that period I was longer. Very insight information indeed. Haven't thought about this before.
You are correct about the strength training as well. I have been so focused on the video in the FAQ video thread (🎞 26. Why do Some Men Gain Faster than others in Penis Enlargement? ), that I didn't think about there could actually be a genetic aspects to how fast your body are allowing you to gain. Healing time and growth, and also genetic limitations but the long game can change your predisposition. But now when I think about it. It has to be that way. Genetics play 100% a role in this. There is some truth to the video in the FAQ video thread, but it's not the whole picture.
I was a skinny and weak dude when I was 15 years old. It took approximately 17 years for me to have the strength I have today.
We need to apply the same game into penis enlargement it's a long game.
Thanks for sharing this information.
I don't really know about this one, I suppose I wrote that 5 Inch was possible due to my own experiences and progression. But as I now have realized is that, the longer you become the harder it becomes to force the penis to grow longer.
I realize it was a big claim, and an unrealistic claim. I'm again sorry for implying that, it was a good thing you corrected my narrow point of view, and thinking. It looks like I talked about things that I didn't really had a full grasp on. But I want to believe it's possible, but it will take a lot of time => A lifetime. I'm very grateful/thankful that I got this information from you. I was blind to the reality of things.
I really starting to feel the "suck" in the grind now.
A very good example indeed.
Very honored to be amongst such legends in PE.
I believe he is one of the brothers that have helped most brothers here on MOS.
I now don't believe it's common. My perspective on this was 100% out of whack.
Indeed.
I 100% agree.
No question about it. I don't question your abilities.
I think what was happening, was that I had a hard time to see everything from other perspectives. You can say I was stuck in a limiting paradigm (a box of thinking).
I'm happy for this approach. I want to keep myself open minded as much as possible. But I suppose sometimes you need someone to push you out of the "box of thinking"
I hope this cleared everything up. It's so easy to get stuck in the way we think.
Take care brothers.
Follow this link.
MOS DVD with all exercises (videos extracted).There are many videos in that thread, so let all the videos fully load before trying to play them.
When the first frame in the video are showing, then they have fully loaded. When this happens you can press play.
Big Dick Energy
Member
Awesome Thank You Again Greatly Appreciate your supportFollow this link.
There are many videos in that thread, so let all the videos fully load before trying to play them.
When the first frame in the video are showing, then they have fully loaded. When this happens you can press play.
No worries.
He is a great support
MosMaster
Well-known member
Hey bro, I'm not saying at all that what you said is "wrong" and what I said is "right".Everything you are mentioning are very wise brother, and worth to thinking about. I believe I was probably not thinking through it all before posting. I was only using my own experience as a reference point. This was kind of bad, and I may look like a dushbag for not considering all aspects of the problem at hand. I'm sorry for that.
I love your mindset as well. You have teach me so much vulnerable information.
I don't know about the Tunica albuginea for sure, but you are probably correct about that. I supposed I only was using my own experiences when I wrote post #615 in this thread, that was not good at all. I suppose I need to be here 10 years to get more experiences about all this. I though this PE thing could be done in like 2 years time, but now I realize that this is a lifetime commitment. Somewhat happy I get to do PE rest of my life. Can you point me to other resources regarding PE other then other discussion site. I do not like other discussion site, there is so much negative energy there. I mentioned LENGTHMASTER once in one of the forums/pages. But they imminently removed it. But meanwhile they are mentioning other brand of devices back and forth constantly....very strange.
Now when I think about it. For me sometimes for sure my Tunica albuginea retracts a bit and gets "hard" (MOS RED helps with that after a session), but I only need like 1-3 days (mostly 1 day) of rest. Not exactly hard, but I feel in the tissue that my penis have had enough for a while. So maybe that is what everyone are talking about? Now when I think about it the rest period I had for 4 weeks may be proof of this. My penis needed rest to heal up completely, and after that period I was longer. Very insight information indeed. Haven't thought about this before.
You are correct about the strength training as well. I have been so focused on the video in the FAQ video thread (🎞 26. Why do Some Men Gain Faster than others in Penis Enlargement? ), that I didn't think about there could actually be a genetic aspects to how fast your body are allowing you to gain. Healing time and growth, and also genetic limitations but the long game can change your predisposition. But now when I think about it. It has to be that way. Genetics play 100% a role in this. There is some truth to the video in the FAQ video thread, but it's not the whole picture.
I was a skinny and weak dude when I was 15 years old. It took approximately 17 years for me to have the strength I have today.
We need to apply the same game into penis enlargement it's a long game.
Thanks for sharing this information.
I don't really know about this one, I suppose I wrote that 5 Inch was possible due to my own experiences and progression. But as I now have realized is that, the longer you become the harder it becomes to force the penis to grow longer.
I realize it was a big claim, and an unrealistic claim. I'm again sorry for implying that, it was a good thing you corrected my narrow point of view, and thinking. It looks like I talked about things that I didn't really had a full grasp on. But I want to believe it's possible, but it will take a lot of time => A lifetime. I'm very grateful/thankful that I got this information from you. I was blind to the reality of things.
I really starting to feel the "suck" in the grind now.
A very good example indeed.
Very honored to be amongst such legends in PE.
I believe he is one of the brothers that have helped most brothers here on MOS.
I now don't believe it's common. My perspective on this was 100% out of whack.
Indeed.
I 100% agree.
No question about it. I don't question your abilities.
I think what was happening, was that I had a hard time to see everything from other perspectives. You can say I was stuck in a limiting paradigm (a box of thinking).
I'm happy for this approach. I want to keep myself open minded as much as possible. But I suppose sometimes you need someone to push you out of the "box of thinking"
I hope this cleared everything up. It's so easy to get stuck in the way we think.
Take care brothers.
I was just sharing what I have found researching this topic.
I think that's the issue with PE, there isn't a lot of scientific studies on it so we'll have to rely heavily on empirical data and other PE'ers experiences.
The only studies I'm aware of is the phallosan forte one from their website and one more I believe on hanging (might be PE hangers the german brand, if I'm not mistaken)
My earlier research on PE was on PEgym, thundersplace, goodlookingloser and moreplatesmoredates off the top of my head.
The thing about the tunica hardening, I have literally no idea if this is the case or not as we don't have any studies on it that I'm aware of.. So again, we're bound to just follow other people's experiences..
Thanks for posting DLD's Why do Some Men Gain Faster than others in Penis Enlargement? It refreshed my memory on his wisdom on the topic and interesting to hear him talk about some people might need more intensity and some might need less. The only thing he's not bringing up in this video is the part about rest/decondition breaks. Might be because he never took any as he has expressed before.
I'm confused about the way forward but one thing is for certain, I can't continue the same way and expect different results. That's the definition of insanity. And to gain so marginally in 7 months (+0.14 in length and +0.1 in girth) something has to change. So as of right now, I have quit PE altogether since my last post and only doing the Mos Red light therapy for 20-30 mins a day and lubricate with Bio Oil.
It really sucks, to be honest - I'm really anxious to have to quit at this moment but something has to change! I might have to force myself to have a complete break of 6-8 weeks now
(in hopes of that this will rejuvenate and decondition my tissues). If someone experienced not having a better alternative for me...I also don't have a clue if this is really the case that there's a genetic component to PE. I'm just trying to gather information and experiences from others. I followed the checklist DLD gave in his video linked above:
Intensity (I stretch as hard as I can without sharp pain!)
Form (I'm 99,9% certain I have a very good form!)
Regularity of routine (I have been very consistent so this one is also checked!)
So with all the boxes ticked here the only logical conclusion I can find is the element of needing less work to gain more, which he talks about in the video...?
By the way, I was thinking about something. I know DLD gained his first 2 inches in six months from what many call "the newbie gains" and then an additional 2 inches took him 8 years if I'm not mistaken. Given that you never really took rest/decondition breaks, do you think there might be some truth to that whole "decondition thing" because you might have been "overtrained" and thus it taking so long to gain that additional 2 inches? Do you think that you might have gained faster if you incorporated breaks? @DLD . Would love to hear your thoughts on this or if you have any other input for me possibly
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MosMaster
Well-known member
Interesting, would you mind breaking down your routine now? Let me know if you've already done this elsewhere.
For example, do you do length master work every day for 4 weeks and then 1 week off and then repeat? What exercise and duration etc.? Thanks!
@MosMaster why not do my program?
The thing with my program and progression is that I have continuessly increased the intensity. I have different techniques to increase the intensity. It's like my newbie gains haven't subsided jet. I believe some of it has to do with the intensity of my stretches (maybe genetics as well?).
I hold my stretches for 5 minutes in each bundled direction (righ/left), to get maximum elongation of the tissue after my session. I can explain deeper later if you want me to? I need to sleep now.
I'm at a point now that the intensity is so insanely high that I get like ~ 2 cm post temporary elongation after a session. Everything I'm doing works for me...and I'm still gaining.
I agree that rest is important. But when you stretch extremely hard like at 99.9% hardness (stretching force). It's like the rest will happen by itself. I'm doing 3 days on 1 day rest, sometimes I can just stretch 2 days in a row, becouse of soreness in the skin. Try to do 2 sessions per day, but sometimes it doesn't work due to skin soreness. But I do my best to keep this schedule.
I had 4 weeks ligth stretching (maintenance, due to work conditions) and that was beneficial for my progression. I was longer afterwards. So I believe in rest. Strategic and planned rest.
MOS-RED, hydrocortisone 1% and Locobase® REPAIR is essential for me to heal up.
People say the tunica hardens, but can't it instead be that they need to increase the intensity? I believe in short burst stretching, and in these conditions for at least for me it have been working.
I want to help you brother.
The thing with my program and progression is that I have continuessly increased the intensity. I have different techniques to increase the intensity. It's like my newbie gains haven't subsided jet. I believe some of it has to do with the intensity of my stretches (maybe genetics as well?).
I hold my stretches for 5 minutes in each bundled direction (righ/left), to get maximum elongation of the tissue after my session. I can explain deeper later if you want me to? I need to sleep now.
I'm at a point now that the intensity is so insanely high that I get like ~ 2 cm post temporary elongation after a session. Everything I'm doing works for me...and I'm still gaining.
I agree that rest is important. But when you stretch extremely hard like at 99.9% hardness (stretching force). It's like the rest will happen by itself. I'm doing 3 days on 1 day rest, sometimes I can just stretch 2 days in a row, becouse of soreness in the skin. Try to do 2 sessions per day, but sometimes it doesn't work due to skin soreness. But I do my best to keep this schedule.
I had 4 weeks ligth stretching (maintenance, due to work conditions) and that was beneficial for my progression. I was longer afterwards. So I believe in rest. Strategic and planned rest.
MOS-RED, hydrocortisone 1% and Locobase® REPAIR is essential for me to heal up.
People say the tunica hardens, but can't it instead be that they need to increase the intensity? I believe in short burst stretching, and in these conditions for at least for me it have been working.
I want to help you brother.
No better advice
I started off basically as a beginner after 8 weeks completely off from PE.
As light as I could.
Only 5lbs of tension.
20 minutes in the extender.
I actually bought an apex extender and I use a vacuum cup on it.
I don't use the LM anymore because I was developing some noticeable turkey neck and I was not about that.
My current extender holds the base in place so I'm no longer going to get any and it has slowly but surely gone away completely now.
My progression is on my forum.
As of rn I'm up to 35 minutes in the extender. Taking a quick break 10-20 seconds every 5 minutes.
Then I finish off my routine with 10 minutes of interval pumping in the mityvac.
Started off with 6.5 Hg and I'm up to 8 Hg and I see myself staying at that pressure for at least the next 4 weeks
The key is to combine LENGTHMASTER 3 work with Ball & Lig Stretches, your turkey neck will be a thing in the past.
Just adding in some information.
You guys probably know about this. But there are many brothers that lurk, and get the information that way.
I've just been crunched for time so I didn't want to add even more to my routine.
But ball and lig stretches definitely work
I understand what you mean.
I'm studying now, and I almost can't keep my sessions with LM3, some days I can only do one.
What are you studying?
Nothing fancy.
Assistant nurse...but can't stay with it for life.
I need to move forward to something else.