I started my Omega 3/6 regiment tonight

[DLD]

I am starting with 1200 mg. of Omega 3/6 (Natures Bounty) as per Redzulu's directions. I look forward to better days and I am hoping this helps with my depression. I will keep my log here and any help along the way will be greatly appreciated.

 

[ggogeta]

Great!

As your article said, the ratio of omega 3:6 is like 1:20 because of our diet. And the body can only absorb a limited qty of omega fatty acids. guess who wins that "battle"... We need a ratio of 1:1

Red reported great results, so that's great. But I've read that ages before you posted your Omega-3 article. So that must be true (about the ratio you need and the "competing" between omega-3 and -6).

Also as I stated before, I also read that veggie omega-3 (ALA) has to be converted by the body (it also says that in your article) and this is why it's LESS effective than fish oil capsules.

Just my 2 and a half cents. I hope nobody's gonna bump on me for repeating what I said in 2 threads

And sorry for my bad english.

 

[DLD]

Great!

As your article said, the ratio of omega 3:6 is like 1:20 because of our diet. And the body can only absorb a limited qty of omega fatty acids. guess who wins that "battle"... We need a ratio of 1:1

Red reported great results, so that's great. But I've read that ages before you posted your Omega-3 article. So that must be true (about the ratio you need and the "competing" between omega-3 and -6).

Also as I stated before, I also read that veggie omega-3 (ALA) has to be converted by the body (it also says that in your article) and this is why it's LESS effective than fish oil capsules.

Just my 2 and a half cents. I hope nobody's gonna bump on me for repeating what I said in 2 threads

And sorry for my bad english.

Glad you posted because I am extremely confused now as I just read another article about ratio and I am starting to think I got the wrong stuff. I bought Omega 3/Omega 6 and I think I need to switch to a Omega 3 only supplement.

 

[ggogeta]

Depends on what you are eating. But odds are if you are on the american way, you have way more omega 6 than 3 allready.

 

[DLD]

Depends on what you are eating. But odds are if you are on the american way, you have way more omega 6 than 3 allready.

I am seeing that now, I guess it is another trip to the drug store and some straight Omega 3 caps.

 

[ggogeta]

 

[goldmember]

The very best TOP OF THE LINE fish oil capsules are called FishSmart Ultra. They are enterically coated for better absorption, have lipase enzyme for added digestability, and are molecularly distilled to ensure 100% purity (no heavy metals or PCB's). I take 3 daily.

 

[REDZULU2003]

So dld your taking just over 1G of the stuff. Cool. See this post http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showpost.php?p=213764&postcount=16

 

[ggogeta]

So dld your taking just over 1G of the stuff. Cool. See this post http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showpost.php?p=213764&postcount=16

yep it's a good one. I have nothing to say about it, except it's great

 

[REDZULU2003]

Its a full summary of the Omega 3 oils and should clear things up for many who use the stuff.

 

[Provider]

Your better buying a bottle of flax seed oil or something. Udo's Choice gets recommended a lot. You'll get a lot more that way. 1.3g a day isn't very much at all.

 

[ggogeta]

Some precisions there... Check the bold caracter in particular, the entire article is interesting. Pretty much all the differences between Veggie omega-3 and fishy omega-3

Comparing Omega 3’s from Fish and Flax Seed Oil

Omega-3 fatty acids falls into two major categories:

- Plant derived (flax seed, yielding alpha linolenic acid or ALA) or;
- Marine derived (Fish oil, yielding both EPA and DHA);

Often people are confused which type of omega 3 would best suit their need. Following are important factory to help decipher which may be best for you:

Comparing General conversion of ALA

Since the human conversion of ALA to EPA and DHA is somewhat slow, only about 15% of ALA converts to EPA and 5% DHA (Cunnane 1995, Nutrition Advisory Panel, 1995). Therefore, it poses the question: To what degree does a person need DHA and EPA?

Individual Health and Lifestyle

Several factors inhibit conversion of ALA to it’s long-chain Metabolites (EPA and DHA)

* A diet high in LA (common in US) can inhibit conversion by as much as 40%

* A high maternal intake of linoleic acid (Omega 6 from corn, safflower oil, etc.) inhibits conversion to EPA and DHA reduces n-3 availability to the developing fetus

* Increasing the ratio of n-3 to n-6 fatty acids in the diet with ALA may not enhance neuronal DHA levels in infants

* Saturated and trans fatty acids inhibits ALA desaturation and elongation

* Ethanol enhibits conversion of ALA to EPA and DHA

* A deficiency of any of the vitamins and mineral co-factors (vitamin B3, B6, C, Zinc and Magnesium) required by elongase and Delta-6-desaturase may inhibit conversion to EPA and DHA

* Loss of Delta-6 desaturates activity that occurs during normal aging

* Certain health conditions such as diabetes and drugs, inhibits Delta – 6-saturase activity and prevents conversion to EPA and DHA

* Certain populations, such as North American natives, Inuit, Orientals, Norwegians, and Welsh-Irish may not effectively convert ALA to EPA in the body


The majority or research conducted with Omega 3 fatty acids has been done with fish oil, and has focused on the beneficial effects of EPA or DHA. On a gram-for-gram basis, fish oils are the optimal means of enhancing EPA and DHA in the body.

Fish oils are a concentrated, direct, source of EPA and DHA that can be used to target specific health concerns related to n-3 fatty acid deficiencies.
Chapter IV
Seal Oil
Flaxseed Oil - Alpha-Linolenic Acid (ALA) to convert to EPA, DPA and DHA

ALA is not equivalent in its biological effcts to teh long-chain n-3 fatyy acids found in marine oils. EPA and DHA are more rapidly incorporated into plasma and membrane lipids abd produce more rapid effcts than does ALA. Relatively large reserves of LA in body fats, as are in vegans or in the diet of omnivores in Western societies, would tend to slow down the formation of long-chain n-3 fatty acids from ALA. Therefore, the role of ALA in human nutrition becomes important in terms of long-term dietary intake. One advantage of the consumption of ALA over n-3 fatty acids from fish is that the problem of insufficient vitamin E intake does not exist with high intake of ALA from plant sources.

There is competition among the enzymes involved in the elongation and desaturation of LA and ALA. A ratio of LA to ALA of 4:1 or less has been shown to be optimal for the elonagtaion of 11g of ALA to 1g of EPA. This is important for vegetarians because their diets are typically rich in LA and poor in ALA. Because EPA is biologically more active than ALA and high in amounts of LA decrease the conversion of ALA to EPA, the optimal intake of LA relative to ALA is crucial for normal metabolism.

American Journal Clinical Nutrition 1999
Artemis P. Simopoulos


Conversion of ALA to EPA and DHA

The parent fatty acid ALA (18:3n-3), found in vegetable oils, such as flaxseed or rapeseed oil, is used by the human organism partly as a source of energy, partly as a precursor of the metabolites, but the degree of conversion appears to be unreliable and restricted. More specifically, most studies in humans have shown that, whereas a certain, though limited, conversion of high doses of ALA to EPA occurs, conversion to DHA is severely restricted. The use of ALA labeled with radioisotopes suggested that, with a background diet high in saturated fat, conversion to long-chain metabolites is 6% for EPA and 3.8% for DHA. With a diet rich in Omega 6 PUFA, conversion is reduced by 40% to 50%. It is thus reasonable to observe an Omega 6/Omega3 PUFA ratio not exceeding 4-6:1.

Restricted conversion to DHA may be critical; since evidence has been increasing that this long-chain metabolite has an autonomous function, e.g., in spermatozoa, the brain and retina, where it is the most prominent fatty acid. In nenates, deficieny is associated with visual impairment, abnormalities in the elctroretinogram and delayed cognitive development. In adults, the potential role of DHA in neurological function still needs to be investigated in depth.
Conversion of ALA and DHA., I.H. Gerster, Internat J Vit Nutr Res 68 (1998) 159-173

To convert LNA to EPA to series prostaglandins, the diet should provide optimum amounts amounts of the conversion co-factors: vitamin B3, B6, C and the minerals: Magnesium and Zinc.
Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill, Udo Erasmus, p.282

Some ALA can be inverted into our bodies to teh longer chain Omega 3's EPA and DHA. ALthough the scientific literature is mixed on this issue, humans may be unable to convert enough ALA to EPA and DHA to achieve optimal levels of these long-chain Omega 3's.
The Omega Connection, Dr. Andrew Stoll, p.215
INDEX

--> that's why I said that ALA is less effective than EPA because you need MORE of it to make EPA. (you need to change ALA into EPA to have the desired effect)

 

[goldmember]

Your better buying a bottle of flax seed oil or something. Udo's Choice gets recommended a lot. You'll get a lot more that way. 1.3g a day isn't very much at all.

But don't forget that although a tablespoon of Udo's oil has about 6 grams of w3 oil, it is ALA, which is NOT the most important w3 for the human body. Granted, some of it gets converted to EPA and DHA, but certainly not all of it. Also, several conditions (even as trivial as stress) can seriously decrease conversion of ALA to EPA and DHA. Udo's Choice is an excellent oil, and I had great results using two tablespoons a day (cost=$32/month). For the same cost, I can get a bottle of FishSmart Ultra fish oil and take the max recommended dosage. From experience, I can say the results from the fish oil exceeded the results from Udo's Choice Oil Blend. I did include Evening Primrose Oil as well, however.

Results I base mostly on skin conditions. Dry skin and chapped lips = BAD.

Soft, supple skin and smooth lips = GOOD

Without Udo's Oil I had dry skin (not severe) and chapped lips during the winter. The skin and lips both improved on Udo's Oil, but I still needed chap stick every now and then. This winter I used exclusively FishSmart Ultra and Evening Primrose Oil, and have not even considered chap stick because I don't need it in the least.

ALA is still essential, so I would recommend getting a bit at least from diet, flax oil better.

Hope that helps.

 

[ggogeta]

Also, several conditions (even as trivial as stress) can seriously decrease conversion of ALA to EPA and DHA. Udo's Choice is an excellent oil, and I had great results using two tablespoons a day

As the article I posted above, TRANS fat will also decrease ALA converting to EPA and DHA.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Looks like in the near future I will be useing Fish oils instead of the veggies.

 

[DLD]

Alright I am back on track. I just picked up FLAX OIL 1000mg. Omega-3 tabs. I am going to start with 2000mg a day. Looking forward to these benefits.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Remember that PDF file I said I' link? well I found it.

Its titled 'Fatty Acids in Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, ADHD and the Autism Spektrum'

Was printed in the Nutrition Practioner November 2001

 

[Ghosting]

5-HTP is a pre-cursor to seratonin. 100mg of the per day will help big time.

5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan) is the immediate precursor to serotonin (5-HT, 5-hydroxytryptamine). Serotonin plays an important role in the regulation of mood, appetite, body temperature, and the secretion of various hormones.

-Reduce carbohydrate cravings.
-Enhance mood.
-Control appetite.

Best taken at night, as it may cause drowsiness and it will improve sleep.
I would not suggest this to anyone who is on an anti-depressent, except Wellbutrin, as that is dopamine and norepinephrine.

 

[dirtylove17]

I was reading through the forums a few weeks ago and I saw DLD mention 'The zone diet' by Barry Sears. I read one of his books a while back and really enjoyed it. However I also realized I had forgot a lot of his dietary recommendations and principles. So I went to the library and rented out Dr. Sears first book "Enter the Zone." Basically instead of dedicating myself to Penis Enlargement I have tried to figure out "the zone."
In 'Enter the Zone' Dr. Sears says:
"ALA (in flax oil) is like a wet blanket for the enzymes that control the eventual flow of omega 6 essential fatty acids toward eicosanoids. In many ways ALA is the biological equivalent of aspirin: by limiting the activity of the delta 6 desaturase enzyme, it knocks out the production of both good and bad eicosanoids."
Before I read Dr. Sears book I ordered a big bottle of flax oil pills. I should not take it because it "knocks out the production of both good and bad eicosanoids". I feel kinda dumb for buying it but I'm glad I know I shouldn't take it. The fats (EPA & DHA) that your body really needs are those found in fish such as sardines, salmon, and mackerel. I take ultra-refined fish oil like Goldmember mentions.

 

[DLD]

Well it has been about 5 days and my Omega 3 regiment (2000 mg day) in combination with my new psych meds (LAMICTAL and SEREQUEL) have been decent. By no means am I better but I do feel more stable. I guess another few weeks will show better results...*fingers crossed*

 

[REDZULU2003]

Superb stuff mate. Keep going and BELIVE BELIVE and ... BELIVE
Give it around 2 months before you make a final decision, it must really get into your system first to really get working but so far it sounds good.

 

[goldmember]

I was going to say the same exact thing, except maybe even 6 MONTHS before you judge the plan. If you haven't already, switch to FISH OIL after you finish the FLAX OIL. It works noticeably better (for me at least).

FYI, I have noticed a significant improvement in mood and concentration the last few months since taking BIOTEST SPIKE. I have never been clinical, but I must say since then I haven't had a case of the "blues". Give the meds some time and best of luck. God bless.

 

[DLD]

I was going to say the same exact thing, except maybe even 6 MONTHS before you judge the plan. If you haven't already, switch to FISH OIL after you finish the FLAX OIL. It works noticeably better (for me at least).

FYI, I have noticed a significant improvement in mood and concentration the last few months since taking BIOTEST SPIKE. I have never been clinical, but I must say since then I haven't had a case of the "blues". Give the meds some time and best of luck. God bless.

Thanks for that, I am trying to be patient with the other meds. Being a junky for part of my life I am always looking for a quick change and I guess I need to put that line of thinking out of my brain.

 

[DLD]

Superb stuff mate. Keep going and BELIVE BELIVE and ... BELIVE
Give it around 2 months before you make a final decision, it must really get into your system first to really get working but so far it sounds good.

Thanks RED You are such a special friend

 

[dirtylove17]

I second Goldmembers recommendation for fish oil. I have been taking it a few weeks and I definately feel better. I can concentrate better. I did some hardcore searching on the internet for the safest and cheapest fish oil. Most health grade fish oils have not been fully seperated from their contaminants. Make sure you get "Molecularly distilled" fish oil. The best buy I found is from a company called "Now" at www.thecatalog.com.

 

[goinfor11x7]

My internist has put me on four capsules of the Omega 3 fish oil per day and a diet with a max. of 300 milligrams of cholesterol. It does seem to help with my mood swings--also my appetite seems more consistently controlled. She wants to get my LDL down below 75.

 

[DLD]

I am still struggling with the depression, I guess it is gonna just take more time.

 

[ggogeta]

takes weeks man. It's not miraculous, but it does helps!

 

[dirtylove17]

I am still struggling with the depression, I guess it is gonna just take more time.

Sorry DLD. < I seriously want to take some time and thank you for this great site about Penis Enlargement and also for mentioning "The Zone diet." A few weeks ago I saw you mention it in some thread. I first read a zone book(the soy zone) in high school and i really liked it. However when I went off to college I gradually fell out of "The Zone diet." After I read the thread in which you mentioned "The Zone" I went to my library and rented the origional Zone book, "Enter the Zone." For about three weeks I have been following this diet very strictly and MAN I feel a shit load better and I'm losing weight as well! Thank you DLD for mentioning "The Zone"! rofl

 

[crazyed27]

I was going to say the same exact thing, except maybe even 6 MONTHS before you judge the plan. If you haven't already, switch to FISH OIL after you finish the FLAX OIL. It works noticeably better (for me at least).

FYI, I have noticed a significant improvement in mood and concentration the last few months since taking BIOTEST SPIKE. I have never been clinical, but I must say since then I haven't had a case of the "blues". Give the meds some time and best of luck. God bless.

Yes SPIKE is good stuff, you can get it at your local GNC.