How Honest Are We?

How Honest Are We?

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In the end, I think this will be an issue for the MODS and DLD to decide.
I for one will be avoiding this subject for the time being as I just don't get why you would even WANT to come back here. So, for now, I see this as an issue that I just don't want to be a part of and will wiat until the MODS and DLD have made a decision. IF it were put to a vote...esp. from the older members here, I wonder what the outcome would be?

kook
 
Just to get back to the earlier discussion. It has me a little bummed out ?:( . I just finished my first month and I've been busting my hump. I have just posted a 3/8ths inch increase bone pressed( In my routines and progress thread ). I do think it's deceiving, I bone pressed the HELL out of that measurement.

I'm going to re-measure tonight and start going by non bone pressed. I'll still maybe post the bpel just because so many people do, and I do think it might give me a glimpse of gains in nbpel to come. I am still skeptical of pe, but there are so many seemingly honest posters I do have faith. :grab:
 
Skepdick2 said:
Kong, nothing in my threads mentioned ethics... Deleting threads was wrong, but I have no doubt that all the bullshit about the ROP and certain FR claims did more to hurt this place that a few missing threads. You are attempting to compare apples to oranges when you tell me that I have no place to comment on the absurdities of certain member's claims here because of things I did a year ago.
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Does not get it. :)
 
Holdem said:
Just to get back to the earlier discussion. It has me a little bummed out ?:( . I just finished my first month and I've been busting my hump. I have just posted a 3/8ths inch increase bone pressed( In my routines and progress thread ). I do think it's deceiving, I bone pressed the HELL out of that measurement.

I'm going to re-measure tonight and start going by non bone pressed. I'll still maybe post the bpel just because so many people do, and I do think it might give me a glimpse of gains in nbpel to come. I am still skeptical of pe, but there are so many seemingly honest posters I do have faith. :grab:
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There is nothing wrong with measuring and reporting both numbers, so long as you know what they mean. I believe that you do know the difference between BP and NBP because you admit that you bonepressed the hell out of it. So long as you realize it and admit it, there is no deception, either of yourself or the forum in whole, because most of us also knows what "a hard BP" means.

My contention in this debate is only that we do not need Dick Nazi's here to monitor our measuring. There's just a little too much "holier than thou" to their posts about it. I think a nice official thread on measuring and the differences between BP and NBP would be sufficient, so that newbies are better educated about this. I don't see why certain members here are making a fuss instead of making an article about it. I would certainly be happy to sticky it right at the top of the newbie section. I would also be happy to participate in a poll on NBP measurements, if they wanted to create one instead of just carping about it.

I am going to monitor my non-bonepressed measurement more closely as well. The point these members have raised is a fair and valid one. I am also going to get back on my diet so that my NBP improves. However, I think this is all a big fuss about nothing. If someone posts a BP measured photo, I can subtract the fatpad from their measurement just like anyone else and arrive at their true NBP size. There's no need to roast a member over it or set yourself on a pedastal because you have less bodyfat.
 
I always measure BP since I had read a long time ago that it is the best measurement to try and track gains. Since I am so bad at tracking and logging progress, I can easily remember BP numbers and to push into the bone to get a consistent measurement. I thought most measured BP.

kook
 
This issue of debate has always been something that I've been conscious of in my head. It just never made sense to me to measure length in more than one way, and the BP method is UNDISPUTEDLY more prone to error and exageration.

Do any of us think that in the Kinsey study, or the Lifestyles Study, or in any others, that the method of measurement was bonepressed?

I think not.
 
Yea seriously. I'm 7 inchs bone pressed, NBP im only 6.5. Sort of like with cars. You can have 200hp in the engine, but say only 160 of that is getting to the wheels. Whats the use of the extra half inch if it's not gonna be used unless you're slamming your girl hard, and even then, you'll be slamming her so hard she wont even notice the extra inch.
 
The point I always understood about BP is that it was more accurate than NBP because you had a definate starting point for your ruler. That was my point and there are many who feel that BP is the best way to track gains.

kook
 
Okay guys just a note, I know you've begun to do it anyways but try to keep the subject the same in this thread, anything regarding bannings as such needs another thread....for the record to end this, gandolf is skepdick, skepdick2, MisterBig, Chaos Lord, Gandolf2, The Joker and its being looked into about other members here being also the same person or teaming-up with him.
Lightning , the admin of this forum stands by his decision to ban gandolf and that is final....shit will not be tolerated at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] anymore.
 
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