How Honest Are We?

How Honest Are We?

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There have been several interesting threads lately about honesty and integrity at this forum. I'm sure a great majority of you have been following it. There have been good points made on both sides of the debate, so I am curious to hear what you all think. Do you think we, as a group, are more honest about our Penis Enlargement gains and penis size, or do you believe that we are more apt to lie?
 
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I voted the third option, but I think the minority who lies, lies A LOT and occupies a lot of forum space with their BS.

About the threads you are referring, I think they haven't adressed the issue of how some strongly-oppinioned or close minded (or similar) people go way out of their way and disrespect others who disagree with them or remain open minded about certain subjects. I think that relates to Integrity.


and why is this poll in the sexuality forum?
 
Chi said:
I voted the third option, but I think the minority who lies, lies A LOT and occupies a lot of forum space with their BS.
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You bring up a good point. I think most of the members here are honest for the most part. However, about 1% of the registered members make up about 99% of the posts and I do believe that these more enthusiastic members are prone to fudging the numbers so a disproportionate amount of posts are cloaked in bullshit here IMHO.
 
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"I voted the third option, but I think the minority who lies, lies A LOT and occupies a lot of forum space with their BS.

About the threads you are referring, I think they haven't adressed the issue of how some strongly-oppinioned or close minded (or similar) people go way out of their way and disrespect others who disagree with them or remain open minded about certain subjects. I think that relates to Integrity."

You've already been quoted, but fucking awsome post. Straight to the point.

More and more I'm starting to believe that all this bone-pressing business is somewhat at the heart of the matter. Same with the difference between 'thickest point' girth and midshaft measurments. Maybe we ought to go on the girth that makes up the largest segment of a guy's unit as the best stat. It doesn't matter, the point is, one guys 8X6 could be another guys 6.5X5 depending on how enthusiastically they measure. I think this accounts for a lot of the larger sizes we see around here. I realize it's a Penis Enlargement site and guys should be larger and all, but anybody that spends a lot of time on the forum knows there aren't a whole ton of guys here that have seen big gains or stuck with solid routine. It's probably about half and half among the regular posters.

This bone-press stuff is good for keeping track of gains and all, but I fail to see how it's really so much superior to NBP unless your weight fluctuates hugel and frequently. If your dick really grows a quarter inch, it will be reflected in a NBP measure nine times out of ten. I tend to think that NBP or a very light press is basically your real statistic so far what we're dealing with. When people are spotting themselves more than an inch at all times and consider that to be their true penis size, things start getting distorted. An inch is a lot of dick. I understand the frustration that being overweight probably causes, but I think lots of guys use it as an excuse to drive that ruler up to their spleen and say "ah-ha! I knew I was naturally 8.5", just have to lose 20 lbs. now." If I bone press my erection I get close to an extra inch and I have almost no fat pad - but guess which one I consider to be my real size?

If the fat pad was really obscuring so much extra dick out there, than my advice to all the guys who are dealing with that and trying to Penis Enlargement would be to concentrate on losing weight first. Weight loss is a pretty sure thing if you're dilligent, and happens a hell of a lot faster than gains through Penis Enlargement.

Basically I think that certain personalities tend to go a little overboard with the irregularity in measuring. Kind of how something to the tune of 15% of all Americans surveyed tend to believe they're in the top 1% of income nationally.

There's also a definate element of people that are just straight up bullshitting and know they are as well. Not a terribly large group, but they're around.
 
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When people are spotting themselves more than an inch at all times and consider that to be their true penis size, things start getting distorted.
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Yea, exactly. There is also a bullshit statistic that gets thrown around here that losing 30 lbs will give you an inch of dick which I believe to be a total load of shit, regardless of your build. There was a period of time where I put on a lot of weight, 25-30 lbs, and guess what effect it had on my NBP dick. Zero. I do not even have a big frame and I would wager that this weight gain would effect other members even less. The weight DID put a good 2.5-3 inches on my waist.

When I BP it really only gains me about 1/4 inch from compressing the fat. The ones getting an inch (or sometimes 2 or 3) are the ones who aren't even pressing the damn ruler into the pubic bone above the dick. Even sometimes in pictures the ruler is pressed into their gut, 2-3 inches above the pubic bone or into the side. Total bullshit in my opinion, but they are only kidding themselves.
 
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There is also a bullshit statistic that gets thrown around here that losing 30 lbs will give you an inch of dick which I believe to be a total load of shit, regardless of your build. There was a period of time where I put on a lot of weight, 25-30 lbs, and guess what effect it had on my NBP dick. Zero. I do not even have a big frame and I would wager that this weight gain would effect other members even less. The weight DID put a good 2.5-3 inches on my waist.
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I can verify this effect as I was a good 30-35 lbs heavier about a year ago. A good bit was muscle, but a good bit was fat as well. No change in measurement.
 
Yeah, I agree on all counts. I'm sure there are some guys who happen to have a big slice of pubic fat, but all the hype is unwarranted. With BP there's just so much room to fudge, you can easily manipulate things by several inches.

I don't want to sound like some kind of measurement nazi ordering everybody to measure the way I do, but I think the bone pressing is what has caused a lot of the distortion on this site.

I even think it can screw people over in terms of thinking they've made gains. Take some guy who's totally new to this. He gets interested, works on himself for a few months, and then when he measures, he's likely going to go for the bone press as that's pretty much standard around here. Obvioulsy he'll want to see some results for his effort, and so maybe the ruler placement or pressure will become a little heavier, and bam, false gains.

If the measurement was taken NBP (assuming no drastic weight gain) he'd have a much more clear picture of whether or not he improved his dick. With the bonepressing measure he could be working a shit routine and making no gains, and yet have a totally distorted view of what's going on.

I also think this explains the 'newbie gain' thing to an extent. I've read numerous posts where guys are elated to have churned out a half an inch in like a month of stretching. Considering there are members that hang intensely for six months to see anything like that, it seems that measurement error due to the weirdness of bonepressing is a likely culprit.
 
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I also think this explains the 'newbie gain' thing to an extent. I've read numerous posts where guys are elated to have churned out a half an inch in like a month of stretching. Considering there are members that hang intensely for six months to see anything like that, it seems that measurement error due to the weirdness of bonepressing is a likely culprit.
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Thats how I made some newbie gains I think.
 
It's always hard to say. I've never had a length gain (though this is due to never having had a consistent enough routine to produce anything), but I pretty much have always ignored the BP measure for this very reason. Unless I were to gain a bunch of weight in my pubic region all of a sudden, it seems the BP measure could only screw me up. Anything that comes NBP, I know is legit.
 
Unless you cheat the 2 aren't going to make much difference at all. I am about 6.5 nbp and 6.75 bp, both are if I don't straighten out my curve. BP'ing is really only meant to compress the skin, and should yield dick that would actually be usable during sex. If there is a disparity of more than a fraction of an inch, you are only kidding yourself.
 
To be honest, I don't consider my BP my true length. Neither do I consider my NBP my true length. I usually just average the two out and say around 7 inches, a hair under, a hair over. I think that that's about what I can supply my wife, which is all I am really worried about in the end. Considering there is some deal of fluctuation with size as well, due to erection hardness, health and etc., I think this whole argument is somewhat pointless. Not that it doesn't matter. Only that it will never be completely settled.

I agree with swank that alot of this comes down to NBP versus BP.

Men are too highly competitive and too much self-esteem is wrapped up in their penis size. The more fit men are going to say NBP is all that counts cause it gives them a step up, and the heavier guys are going to say BP is all the counts because it gives them a step up. I said in a previous thread that I'm biased and going to say BP is what really matters, but that was basically just a joke. I truly feel it is a little bit inbetween.

So what's the cut off on acceptable BP? From what I have experienced here, it's basically seeing the #1 mark on a ruler. If everyone can see the #1 mark, no one really complains. I have only caught flak myself when I was heavier and the #2 mark (if that) was visible. When I lost enough weight so that the #1 mark was visible on the ruler, the criticisms pretty much ceased. If that's the general consensus, then so be it. If you don't like it, you have four choices: don't post pictures, put up with the shit, lose weight, or BP only deep enough to leave the #1 visible.

I have to admit that you guys have made some really convincing points and I am coming around to your way of thinking. I still think that a little more tact and a little less negativity could be applied to your approach to this matter, but then again, why should you guys have to be nice when someone is basically lying to you?

I have seen a few photos here and there where I thought the measuring was a little shady, and I held my tongue out of politeness. Perhaps that was more of a disservice than helping that person out. Perhaps the first, best lesson we can teach here is to be honest with yourself.

I know I am going to try to be more honest with myself, and I thank you for the lesson you taught me. I appreciate those few of you who tried to teach me that lesson when I first joined up, and apologize for the frustration you must have felt when my own self-esteem said, "Uh-Uh! No way!" But hey, you know me! At least, it only took a year and a half for it to sink in!
 
Kong, good input, but I think I speak for others when I say it's not about being negative and putting people down. This is just the way I see things. Nobody is being called out or personally harped on, it's general waxing on a Penis Enlargement related issue.

The 1" thing is interesting. When it comes down to it, 1" of actual usable dick is a huge difference. 6" is considered average, 7" is big. When guys start experimenting with that kind of variation, that's when the statistical averages on the site and our understanding of how much guys are really gaining, as well as what sizes they'r really able to achieve with this stuff starts getting warped. I do see your point on the matter, but I say hell, let's be as accurate and realistic as possible. Self-confidence is one thing, but I think more sound information about Penis Enlargement gains and true averages on size is more important.

I understand a soft bone press or whatever, and like I said there are certainly some heavy guys that probably do have some more usable dick locked up in their pelvic fat, but for the vast majority of Penis Enlargement'ers I don't see it as a very useful thing.
 
Well, now that skepdick has been banned for basically being the biggest fucking liar this forum has ever seen -- namely the former mod Gandolf -- I am extremely confused. How could he even talk about honesty and integrity after the GIGANTIC hoaxes he has pulled off here in the past. I remember seeing Gandolf's giant dingdong at Penis Enlargementforum when I first started doing this and saying, Wow, now that's what I want! Now he posts pics as skepdick and he's basically no bigger than I am. What a fuckin' crock. Who else is this avatar of honesty and integrity named Gandolf? Will all the real Gandolfs please step forward in this thread? Are you Gandolf, swank? You've always kind of had a hate-on for me, just like skepdick. What about you, shithead/mooman/whoever you are? Are you Gandolf? Talk about fucking glass houses. At least I came clean when I realized what I was doing wrong... You're not even honest enough to be yourself, and all this talk about honesty and integrity is just you fucking projecting your own feelings of guilt and dishonesty onto this forum as a whole. How pathetic.
 
In fact, next time you all start spouting off about glory-sizing and honesty, I suggest you look down in your own fucking underwear first. I said this to "skepdick" and I'll say it again, WHENEVER YOU POINT A FINGER AT SOMEONE ELSE, THERE ARE THREE MORE POINTING RIGHT BACK AT YOU!!!

You see that little title under my user name. That's right, Gandolf. I'd tell you to go fuck yourself but I know it wouldn't reach.
 
Damn. I have read about this Gandolf guy and the mess he made. And just when I was starting to agree on this NBP thing lol

Actually, I AM starting to agree on that anyway, I think that is the way my next official measurements will go. Hope I don´t loose too much... crap, just when I was reaching average lol
 
I fail to see how Skepdick being banned invalidates any of the points he made.

His pictures in the proof section are the most clear and well done shots on the site. Where did he ever lie about his size or anything like that? What does his size have to with anything anyways?

"You see that little title under my user name. That's right, Gandolf. I'd tell you to go fuck yourself but I know it wouldn't reach."

C'mon man, just yesterday you were getting along with him fine and talking about how you'd really come around to seeing things from his perspective, now this? Seriously, that kind of posting is just ruining an otherwise good and interesting Penis Enlargement thread.

As they say, you're making DRAMA.

If anybody has any thoughts on the actual topic of the thread on not some stupid personal bullshit, please don't be intimidated into not posting.
 
Despite my personal feelings of betrayal by skepdick/ gandolf, we still need to discuss this issue. As Swank said, let's get past this and do not feel intimidated at all to post further thoughts in this thread. I'm over being pissed and I am still interested in this discussion. Like chi, I believe that I am going to concentrate more on NBP statistics, but I am not yet convinced that there is no merit to BP measurements.
 
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